Re: PESO - Center City Alley

[Bob W-PDML]

Very nice indeed. 

The silhouetted figure reminds me of the saying that if you were to shave a 
Neanderthal and dress him in a suit and tie he could walk our city streets 
unnoticed.

B

> On 29 Apr 2014, at 02:40, "Rick Womer"  wrote:
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17742772&size=lg
> 
> or
> 
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Re: OT - Instagram users fight the square

[P.J. Alling]

Instagram was never really hip.  It was hiplike.  Sort of like lifelike 
is to life.


On 4/28/2014 8:57 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Okay, like me you probably don't give a rat's ass about Instagram, but
it is a source of amusement from time to time. And this has gotta be
worth a chuckle.

Apparently, there's a movement that is letterboxing their shots to
preserve their original aspect ratio and uploading -- gasp! --
non-square images. Is this the new hip? Anti-hip?

And not only this, but these folks are espousing uploading unfiltered
images too. Ie, not mangled to look Polaroidesque like the other 50
million users do.

So uploading clean, unadorned, SooC images makes you stand out.

Heh! Unhip is the new hip.

http://nymag.com/thecut/2014/04/whats-up-with-these-white-borders-on-instagram.html




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Re: Peso. Norman ponders

[David Mann]

That's what I thought... "should I eat the plant, claw the curtain or knock 
this fragile-looking thing off?"

On Apr 29, 2014, at 12:18 pm, Mark C  wrote:

> Nice photo - Norman looks like he is contemplating mischief
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/28/2014 11:55 AM, David J Brooks wrote:
>> Taken this past weekend.
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17749558
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Re: OT - Instagram users fight the square

[Ann Sanfedele]

Me too - but not on instagram.
ann

On 4/28/2014 22:26, Bruce wrote:

I guess I just became hip as I have been doing that for quite a long time.

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On Apr 28, 2014, at 5:57 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:

Okay, like me you probably don't give a rat's ass about Instagram, but
it is a source of amusement from time to time. And this has gotta be
worth a chuckle.

Apparently, there's a movement that is letterboxing their shots to
preserve their original aspect ratio and uploading -- gasp! --
non-square images. Is this the new hip? Anti-hip?

And not only this, but these folks are espousing uploading unfiltered
images too. Ie, not mangled to look Polaroidesque like the other 50
million users do.

So uploading clean, unadorned, SooC images makes you stand out.

Heh! Unhip is the new hip.

http://nymag.com/thecut/2014/04/whats-up-with-these-white-borders-on-instagram.html

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Re: OT - an ethical and legal quag-Maier

[Bill]

On 28/04/2014 3:53 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

Not to mention that "Museum Ethics" is an oxymoron.


Every museum curator that I have known (admittedly only a dozen or so), 
has had a very strong sense of ethics.


bill


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Re: OT - Instagram users fight the square

[steve harley]

on 2014-04-28 18:57 Bruce Walker wrote

Heh! Unhip is the new hip.


oh shit, my unhip gig is spoiled


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Re: The Saga Continues

[Mark C]

Glad that you got the maleware off your PC. I fired up my XP Box today 
to do some scanning and was surprised when AVG ran a background scan and 
reported a trojan buried in on of system directories... I've been 
offline for almost a month now but did update AVG just before I pulled 
the network plug on this PC - so maybe this was it's first time AVG ran 
a scan since I updated it. I've mostly been booting into Linux and 
running Vuescan but thought I might want to run Nikonscan since I was 
scanning 120 film this evening. I managed to hobble along with Vuescan 
though.


Cna you post or send me the links to the page with instructions on how 
to run Nikonscan under Windows 7? I would have to add a fire-wire card 
to my Win 7 machine for my LS-8000 but might want to try it out.


On 4/28/2014 4:17 PM, John wrote:

Just a little update ... I managed to get the malware off my computer
without resorting to FDISK & starting all over again.

Took some aggressive hunting to find all of the instances where it had
it's hooks into my browser, including apparently it installed itself
into Internet Exploder, so I had to find it and eliminate it from there
as well before it would let go. Once I got it un-installed from
"Programs and Features", I ran regedit & searched for any of its aliases
there. Looks like I got them all.

Meanwhile ... I've got my Nikon Coolscan-IV up and running on this
system. Found the instructions on a Windoze7 forum with links to the
necessary .dll and .inf files. It requires a version of Nikon Scan that
was made for Windows Vista. I mention this because I remember several
other list members have Nikon Scanners.

Seems to be working well. I've started scanning old negatives,
particularly some of the rescued negatives & slides from when my
collection was almost completely destroyed by Hurricane Fran. It's not
much, but some of them might be usable. I already got something for the
May PUG.





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Re: OT - Instagram users fight the square

[Bruce]

I guess I just became hip as I have been doing that for quite a long time.  

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> On Apr 28, 2014, at 5:57 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> Okay, like me you probably don't give a rat's ass about Instagram, but
> it is a source of amusement from time to time. And this has gotta be
> worth a chuckle.
> 
> Apparently, there's a movement that is letterboxing their shots to
> preserve their original aspect ratio and uploading -- gasp! --
> non-square images. Is this the new hip? Anti-hip?
> 
> And not only this, but these folks are espousing uploading unfiltered
> images too. Ie, not mangled to look Polaroidesque like the other 50
> million users do.
> 
> So uploading clean, unadorned, SooC images makes you stand out.
> 
> Heh! Unhip is the new hip.
> 
> http://nymag.com/thecut/2014/04/whats-up-with-these-white-borders-on-instagram.html
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Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.

[Mark C]

Reminds me of the "golden towers of the Fisher Building" - AM radio when 
I was a kid.


On 4/28/2014 4:40 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Yep. Fisher is a division of GM. It has its roots in a coach building company 
that was founded more than 100 years ago. Back in the day they also built 
bodies for Hudson, Packard and a few others, but not Chrysler.





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PESO - Center City Alley

[Rick Womer]

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17742772&size=lg

or

http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17742772-lg.jpg

(K-5, FA 24-90)

Comments?

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Re: PESO - Stairwell #3

[Richard Womer]

Thanks, Mark!

It's odd... I've been taking those stairs (or similar ones) for over 20 years, 
and it was only a couple of weeks ago that this composition struck me.

Rick

On Apr 27, 2014, at 9:13 PM, Mark C wrote:

> Nice abstraction - good find!
> 
> On 4/24/2014 10:42 PM, Rick Womer wrote:
>> I rarely use the elevators (lifts) at work.  Trudging up the stairs 
>> (Stairwell #3, said the sign on the door) to our 4th floor outpatient unit 
>> on a recent morning, I had my camera and took this:
>> 
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17742777
>> 
>> or
>> 
>> http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17742777-lg.jpg
>> 
>> (K-5, FA 50/1.7)
>> 
>> Comments appreciated.
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> 
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OT - Instagram users fight the square

[Bruce Walker]

Okay, like me you probably don't give a rat's ass about Instagram, but
it is a source of amusement from time to time. And this has gotta be
worth a chuckle.

Apparently, there's a movement that is letterboxing their shots to
preserve their original aspect ratio and uploading -- gasp! --
non-square images. Is this the new hip? Anti-hip?

And not only this, but these folks are espousing uploading unfiltered
images too. Ie, not mangled to look Polaroidesque like the other 50
million users do.

So uploading clean, unadorned, SooC images makes you stand out.

Heh! Unhip is the new hip.

http://nymag.com/thecut/2014/04/whats-up-with-these-white-borders-on-instagram.html

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Re: OT - an ethical and legal quag-Maier

[steve harley]

on 2014-04-28 18:29 Mark C wrote

Same with the negatives and slides, though in the US I think
it would be "fair use" to print negatives that you bought for your own personal
use, but not to sell. (And who would know or care if you did that.)


could get tricky — if you print for your own use and then die, how will your 
heirs know they cannot sell it?





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Re: OT - an ethical and legal quag-Maier

[Mark C]

I don't think that there is anything new here. If you buy a painting you 
own the object itself. You don't own the right to duplicate the painting 
and sell the reproductions. Same with the negatives and slides, though 
in the US I think it would be "fair use" to print negatives that you 
bought for your own personal use, but not to sell. (And who would know 
or care if you did that.)




On 4/28/2014 4:24 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

"A close reading of US copyright law indicates that none of the
parties who acquired Maier’s negatives from the storage warehouse or
afterward -- and are publishing them now without her written
permission -- have a legal right to do so. None of the current
publishers hold copyright to her negatives; that right devolves to
Maier’s estate and heirs for at least 70 years from the date of her
death, as per US Code Title 17 [...]  The disposition of Vivian
Maier’s estate, and specifically her photographic collection, raises
serious questions of legal and ethical practice on the part of those
who collect art, and of those who trade, publish and display it,
including in galleries and museums." -- Kevin Coffee

https://www.academia.edu/6320666/Misplaced_Ethics_and_the_photographs_of_Vivian_Maier

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Re: Peso. Norman ponders

[Bruce Walker]

Good portrait of a very handsome cat, Dave.

On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 11:55 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> Taken this past weekend.
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Re: Peso. Norman ponders

[Mark C]

Nice photo - Norman looks like he is contemplating mischief



On 4/28/2014 11:55 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

Taken this past weekend.
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17749558

K-5 with Sigma 17-70 f2.8-4

Dave




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Re: OT - an ethical and legal quag-Maier

[Bruce Walker]

Here's an earlier article covering much of the same topic that you
_can_ actually read ...

http://gapersblock.com/ac/2013/08/13/the-curious-case-of-vivian-maiers-copyright/

This Facebook posting has an interesting comment thread too ...

https://www.facebook.com/alan.griffiths1/posts/10152091006261299


On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> Sorry about that, John. They must have changed the access rights just
> minutes ago. I followed the URL from a posting on LinkedIn and read
> the entire article. I even had the option to download the PDF (didn't
> bother though). That's how I was able to scrape that quote.
>
> BTW, they only want $39 for a copy of the single article, not $220. FWIW.
>
> Oh well, another pun wasted. ;-)
>
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 4:39 PM, John  wrote:
>> I would find the article a whole lot more interesting if they weren't
>> asking me to pay $220 to read it.
>>
>> Does raise an interesting question though. Who controls your estate if
>> you have no heirs?
>>
>>
>> On 4/28/2014 4:24 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>>>
>>> "A close reading of US copyright law indicates that none of the
>>> parties who acquired Maier’s negatives from the storage warehouse or
>>> afterward -- and are publishing them now without her written
>>> permission -- have a legal right to do so. None of the current
>>> publishers hold copyright to her negatives; that right devolves to
>>> Maier’s estate and heirs for at least 70 years from the date of her
>>> death, as per US Code Title 17 [...]  The disposition of Vivian
>>> Maier’s estate, and specifically her photographic collection, raises
>>> serious questions of legal and ethical practice on the part of those
>>> who collect art, and of those who trade, publish and display it,
>>> including in galleries and museums." -- Kevin Coffee
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.academia.edu/6320666/Misplaced_Ethics_and_the_photographs_of_Vivian_Maier
>>>
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Re: OT - an ethical and legal quag-Maier

[steve harley]

on 2014-04-28 14:24 Bruce Walker quoted:

"A close reading of US copyright law indicates that none of the
parties who acquired Maier’s negatives from the storage warehouse or
afterward -- and are publishing them now without her written
permission -- have a legal right to do so."



my quibble with that sentence is that it doesn't take a particularly _close_ 
reading to know that creating a work is the source of copyright, not physically 
owning a copy (even the only copy)


apparently the issues surrounding this have been simmering for a while — i 
found this article which isn't paywalled:





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Re: OT - an ethical and legal quag-Maier

[Darren Addy]

Not to mention that "Museum Ethics" is an oxymoron.

On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> Sorry about that, John. They must have changed the access rights just
> minutes ago. I followed the URL from a posting on LinkedIn and read
> the entire article. I even had the option to download the PDF (didn't
> bother though). That's how I was able to scrape that quote.
>
> BTW, they only want $39 for a copy of the single article, not $220. FWIW.
>
> Oh well, another pun wasted. ;-)
>
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 4:39 PM, John  wrote:
>> I would find the article a whole lot more interesting if they weren't
>> asking me to pay $220 to read it.
>>
>> Does raise an interesting question though. Who controls your estate if
>> you have no heirs?
>>
>>
>> On 4/28/2014 4:24 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>>>
>>> "A close reading of US copyright law indicates that none of the
>>> parties who acquired Maier’s negatives from the storage warehouse or
>>> afterward -- and are publishing them now without her written
>>> permission -- have a legal right to do so. None of the current
>>> publishers hold copyright to her negatives; that right devolves to
>>> Maier’s estate and heirs for at least 70 years from the date of her
>>> death, as per US Code Title 17 [...]  The disposition of Vivian
>>> Maier’s estate, and specifically her photographic collection, raises
>>> serious questions of legal and ethical practice on the part of those
>>> who collect art, and of those who trade, publish and display it,
>>> including in galleries and museums." -- Kevin Coffee
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.academia.edu/6320666/Misplaced_Ethics_and_the_photographs_of_Vivian_Maier
>>>
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Re: Peso. Norman ponders

[David J Brooks]

Na, we just dont put stuff away very fast

Dave

On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Richard Womer  wrote:
> I like it, for all the reasons Dan does.
>
> I guess the snowman/snow globe is there because you miss winter already…
>
> Rick
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> On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 11:55 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
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>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17749558
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Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.

[Jack Davis]

Yeah, I muffed it. Should have been "Body by Briggs"

J

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Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 1:40:38 PM
Subject: Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.

Yep. Fisher is a division of GM. It has its roots in a coach building company 
that was founded more than 100 years ago. Back in the day they also built 
bodies for Hudson, Packard and a few others, but not Chrysler. 

On Apr 28, 2014, at 4:33 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:

> 'Body by Fisher' was always associated with General Motors cars in my 
> experience.
> 
>> Now, do you have some idea of how long I've existed?
> 
> At least as long as me!
> 
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> 
> - Original Message - From: "Jack Davis" 
> Subject: Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.
> 
> 
>> As I was growing up, actually not that far up, the mantra for all Chrysler 
>> products was they have a "Body by Fisher."
>> That always resulted in head nodding and general agreement that was enough 
>> to recommend them. Them being, Plymouth, Dodge,
>> DeSoto and Chrysler.
>> Someone always had to add: "ya know, Fisher used to make fine buggy bodies."
>> Now, do you have some idea of how long I've existed?
>> 
>> Jack
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Ken Waller" 
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 12:43:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.
>> 
>> In my circles Chrysler has been known for many engineering break-throughs
>> most of which fell short in the execution.
>> 
>>> But please, let's not divert from the entertaining Leica bashing. :-)
>>> it's somewhat closer to the supposed topic of this forum.
>> 
>> And here I thought the supposed topic of this forum was Pentax !
>> 
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" 
>> Subject: Fwd: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi 
>>> Subject: Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.
>>> Date: April 27, 2014 at 1:52:14 PM PDT
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>>> 
>>> Far as I'm concerned, Paul, Chrysler was always a failure. Even worse crap
>>> than GM. I'm glad the Italians control them now.
>> 
>> MOPAR has made some winners and some losers.  At 200,000 miles, many of
>> which spent towing, my van is starting to show it’s age, but I bet it’ll
>> still do a better job of towing your Mercedes than your Mercedes will do
>> towing it.  As to performance, it has probably turned a faster lap time at
>> Thunderhill than your Mercedes ever has as well.  With 360 God fearing all
>> American cubic inches the mileage isn’t the best, but if I put in all of the
>> seats and didn’t drive with a lead foot, I could probably get upwards of 130
>> passenger miles per gallon.
>> 
>> Yeah, my tongue spent a bit of time in my cheek in the above paragraph, but
>> every car company has strengths and weaknesses. I’m glad that you like your
>> car, that’s all that matters for you.  The only car Mercedes has made in
>> recent memory that has held any appeal to me is the Smart, but I’m not into
>> luxobarges. On the other hand Chrysler made the Viper GTS, and until you’ve
>> had eight liters of V10 pass you on the track at full song you simply cannot
>> comprehend the concept of priapism in a can.
>> 
>> Everyone in the automotive industry that I’ve heard or read has pretty much
>> said what Paul did.  Daimler came in, raped over Chrysler. When there seems
>> to be a consensus among people who know more about the automotive industry
>> than you do about Apple computers, I suspect that there might be something
>> to what they say.  I might not ask Paul for advice on which iPad to buy, but
>> considering that he’s worked for both of the auto companies under
>> discussion, I have a hunch that he’s not just blowing smoke out of his ass.
>> 
>>> 
>>> And Audi is a brand-engineered VW.
>> 
>> And Porsches are nothing but VWs with a hormone imbalance, or as I’ve heard
>> them described “A really bad idea that has been meticulously perfected”.
>> Even so, you might want to chat with John Buffum about Audis deficiencies.
>> 
>>> 
>>> But please, let's not divert from the entertaining Leica bashing. :-)
>>> it's somewhat closer to the supposed topic of this forum.
>> 
>> I don’t think anyone has serious complaints with Leicas, just their prices
>> and some of the people who own them.
>> 
>> :-)
>> 
>>> 
>>> Godfrey
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 27, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Paul Stenquist 
 wrote:
 
 Oh my! You do invent your own reality, don’t your? I was there when
 Daimler and Chrysler “merged," working on the Chrysler ad biz, so I’ll
 educate you. Chrysler never owend" Daimler. Eaton and the rest of
 Chrysler mangement sold out to Daimler for a h

Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.

[Jack Davis]

How about "Briggs" instead of "Fisher?"

J

- Original Message -
From: "Ken Waller" 
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 1:33:56 PM
Subject: Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.

'Body by Fisher' was always associated with General Motors cars in my 
experience.

> Now, do you have some idea of how long I've existed?

At least as long as me!

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: "Jack Davis" 
Subject: Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.


> As I was growing up, actually not that far up, the mantra for all Chrysler 
> products was they have a "Body by Fisher."
> That always resulted in head nodding and general agreement that was enough 
> to recommend them. Them being, Plymouth, Dodge,
> DeSoto and Chrysler.
> Someone always had to add: "ya know, Fisher used to make fine buggy 
> bodies."
> Now, do you have some idea of how long I've existed?
>
> Jack
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ken Waller" 
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 12:43:48 PM
> Subject: Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.
>
> In my circles Chrysler has been known for many engineering break-throughs
> most of which fell short in the execution.
>
>> But please, let's not divert from the entertaining Leica bashing. :-)
>> it's somewhat closer to the supposed topic of this forum.
>
> And here I thought the supposed topic of this forum was Pentax !
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Larry Colen" 
> Subject: Fwd: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.
>
>
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi 
>> Subject: Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.
>> Date: April 27, 2014 at 1:52:14 PM PDT
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>>
>> Far as I'm concerned, Paul, Chrysler was always a failure. Even worse 
>> crap
>> than GM. I'm glad the Italians control them now.
>
> MOPAR has made some winners and some losers.  At 200,000 miles, many of
> which spent towing, my van is starting to show it’s age, but I bet it’ll
> still do a better job of towing your Mercedes than your Mercedes will do
> towing it.  As to performance, it has probably turned a faster lap time at
> Thunderhill than your Mercedes ever has as well.  With 360 God fearing all
> American cubic inches the mileage isn’t the best, but if I put in all of 
> the
> seats and didn’t drive with a lead foot, I could probably get upwards of 
> 130
> passenger miles per gallon.
>
> Yeah, my tongue spent a bit of time in my cheek in the above paragraph, 
> but
> every car company has strengths and weaknesses. I’m glad that you like 
> your
> car, that’s all that matters for you.  The only car Mercedes has made in
> recent memory that has held any appeal to me is the Smart, but I’m not 
> into
> luxobarges. On the other hand Chrysler made the Viper GTS, and until you’ve
> had eight liters of V10 pass you on the track at full song you simply 
> cannot
> comprehend the concept of priapism in a can.
>
> Everyone in the automotive industry that I’ve heard or read has pretty 
> much
> said what Paul did.  Daimler came in, raped over Chrysler. When there 
> seems
> to be a consensus among people who know more about the automotive industry
> than you do about Apple computers, I suspect that there might be something
> to what they say.  I might not ask Paul for advice on which iPad to buy, 
> but
> considering that he’s worked for both of the auto companies under
> discussion, I have a hunch that he’s not just blowing smoke out of his 
> ass.
>
>>
>> And Audi is a brand-engineered VW.
>
> And Porsches are nothing but VWs with a hormone imbalance, or as I’ve 
> heard
> them described “A really bad idea that has been meticulously perfected”.
> Even so, you might want to chat with John Buffum about Audis deficiencies.
>
>>
>> But please, let's not divert from the entertaining Leica bashing. :-)
>> it's somewhat closer to the supposed topic of this forum.
>
> I don’t think anyone has serious complaints with Leicas, just their prices
> and some of the people who own them.
>
> :-)
>
>>
>> Godfrey
>>
>>
>>> On Apr 27, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Paul Stenquist 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh my! You do invent your own reality, don’t your? I was there when
>>> Daimler and Chrysler “merged," working on the Chrysler ad biz, so I’ll
>>> educate you. Chrysler never owend" Daimler. Eaton and the rest of
>>> Chrysler mangement sold out to Daimler for a huge amount of cash.
>>> Daimller was calling all the shots. Hell, they sent Dieter Zetsche, who
>>> is now Daimler CEO, here to run the Chrylser group. (Zetsche was a nice
>>> guy. We had a good time at Daytona when Dodge premiered in NASCAR, but
>>> his loyalty was definitely to the motherland.) At the time, Mercedes was
>>> not doing well, but Chrysler had 9 billion dollars in the bank. 

Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.

[Jack Davis]

Your right, of course, John. Chrysler was "Briggs" body, if I'm not 
mistaken...again.

J
- Original Message -
From: "John" 
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 1:30:40 PM
Subject: Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.

I thought "Body by Fisher" was GM?

On 4/28/2014 4:21 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
> As I was growing up, actually not that far up, the mantra for all Chrysler 
> products was they have a "Body by Fisher."
> That always resulted in head nodding and general agreement that was enough to 
> recommend them. Them being, Plymouth, Dodge,
> DeSoto and Chrysler.
> Someone always had to add: "ya know, Fisher used to make fine buggy bodies."
> Now, do you have some idea of how long I've existed?
>
> Jack
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ken Waller" 
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 12:43:48 PM
> Subject: Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.
>
> In my circles Chrysler has been known for many engineering break-throughs
> most of which fell short in the execution.
>
>> But please, let's not divert from the entertaining Leica bashing. :-)
>> it's somewhat closer to the supposed topic of this forum.
>
> And here I thought the supposed topic of this forum was Pentax !
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Larry Colen" 
> Subject: Fwd: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.
>
>
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi 
>> Subject: Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.
>> Date: April 27, 2014 at 1:52:14 PM PDT
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>>
>> Far as I'm concerned, Paul, Chrysler was always a failure. Even worse crap
>> than GM. I'm glad the Italians control them now.
>
> MOPAR has made some winners and some losers.  At 200,000 miles, many of
> which spent towing, my van is starting to show it’s age, but I bet it’ll
> still do a better job of towing your Mercedes than your Mercedes will do
> towing it.  As to performance, it has probably turned a faster lap time at
> Thunderhill than your Mercedes ever has as well.  With 360 God fearing all
> American cubic inches the mileage isn’t the best, but if I put in all of the
> seats and didn’t drive with a lead foot, I could probably get upwards of 130
> passenger miles per gallon.
>
> Yeah, my tongue spent a bit of time in my cheek in the above paragraph, but
> every car company has strengths and weaknesses. I’m glad that you like your
> car, that’s all that matters for you.  The only car Mercedes has made in
> recent memory that has held any appeal to me is the Smart, but I’m not into
> luxobarges. On the other hand Chrysler made the Viper GTS, and until you’ve
> had eight liters of V10 pass you on the track at full song you simply cannot
> comprehend the concept of priapism in a can.
>
> Everyone in the automotive industry that I’ve heard or read has pretty much
> said what Paul did.  Daimler came in, raped over Chrysler. When there seems
> to be a consensus among people who know more about the automotive industry
> than you do about Apple computers, I suspect that there might be something
> to what they say.  I might not ask Paul for advice on which iPad to buy, but
> considering that he’s worked for both of the auto companies under
> discussion, I have a hunch that he’s not just blowing smoke out of his ass.
>
>>
>> And Audi is a brand-engineered VW.
>
> And Porsches are nothing but VWs with a hormone imbalance, or as I’ve heard
> them described “A really bad idea that has been meticulously perfected”.
> Even so, you might want to chat with John Buffum about Audis deficiencies.
>
>>
>> But please, let's not divert from the entertaining Leica bashing. :-)
>> it's somewhat closer to the supposed topic of this forum.
>
> I don’t think anyone has serious complaints with Leicas, just their prices
> and some of the people who own them.
>
> :-)
>
>>
>> Godfrey
>>
>>
>>> On Apr 27, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Paul Stenquist 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh my! You do invent your own reality, don’t your? I was there when
>>> Daimler and Chrysler “merged," working on the Chrysler ad biz, so I’ll
>>> educate you. Chrysler never owend" Daimler. Eaton and the rest of
>>> Chrysler mangement sold out to Daimler for a huge amount of cash.
>>> Daimller was calling all the shots. Hell, they sent Dieter Zetsche, who
>>> is now Daimler CEO, here to run the Chrylser group. (Zetsche was a nice
>>> guy. We had a good time at Daytona when Dodge premiered in NASCAR, but
>>> his loyalty was definitely to the motherland.) At the time, Mercedes was
>>> not doing well, but Chrysler had 9 billion dollars in the bank. Daimler
>>> emptied Chrysler’s piggy bank in a matter of years, then left town,
>>> leaving a broke and decimated Chrylser behind. Cerebus dragged the
>>> carcass around for a few years, then Marchione came to town and saved
>>> Chrysler. Unlike Daimler, Marchion

Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.

[Tim Bray]

If we’re doing Audi-by-anecdote, ours (A4 station wagon, 3L engine,
manual) is model year 2003 and remains a treat. We have a good
relationship with a non-dealer mechanic and yeah, end up writing him a
noticeable check every year or two. Only problem is, it’s a gas eater.
 The Audi dealership service groups here in Vancouver are half bozo,
half bandito, wouldn’t go near ’em.

On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> Here's my own anecdotal rebuttal to the "bad Audi" suggestion. I drive
> in the Greater Toronto Area where the city's answer to all winter road
> issues is to liberally apply raw rock salt to everything. Cars don't
> generally last very long here unless stored under a tarp in a sealed
> garage.
>
> I just came back from a jaunt in my 16 year-old Audi A4 2.8 Quattro.
> It's a 1998 (and a half), owned by me from new and serviced, at the
> dealer, at quite reasonable prices. It's in excellent shape, and the
> paint (original) still shines up after a wash and wax close to
> like-factory-new gloss. No rust on it anywhere.
>
> My chief complaint is the difficulty in fitting an iPod dock to it.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 11:49 AM, steve harley  wrote:
>> On Sat, Apr 26, 2014, at 15:17, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>>> The Barnack is now an *expensive* historic novelty, Paul. ;-)
>>>
>>> The Audi vs Mercedes thing is interesting … Far as I've seen, ten year
>>> old Audis are often too expensive to repair and keep running, seldom seen
>>> on the road, while there seem to be a LOT of perfectly healthy 20+ year
>>> old Mercedes on the road all the time around here.
>>
>> the dangers of generalizing from personal experience — here in Colorado,
>> there are more than ten times as many 10-year-old Audis as Mercedes on
>> the road; i was in Denmark last week and noticed a similar proportion,
>> perhaps not quite as skewed; my partner is on her third Audi, having
>> being forced once again by other people's recklessness to upgrade from
>> an over 10-year-old A4 that was in great condition; the latest purchase
>> is a 2009, and our intention is to keep it at least five years
>>
>>> Quality and
>>> durability costs money to buy but pays you back in the long run. The fact
>>> that few people keep a car long enough to obtain this kind of value is
>>> their problem…
>>
>> … and someone else's opportunity; all this household's Audi purchase
>> were used but in excellent condition; and i just bought my fourth old
>> Saab, a 1995 9000 Aero; while these cars present some challenges they
>> suit my needs well while costing relatively little; my approach to
>> cameras is similar — a mix of old and newish, but mostly purchased used,
>> has a certain practicality that makes up for never getting to experience
>> that new camera smell
>>
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Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.

[Bruce Walker]

Here's my own anecdotal rebuttal to the "bad Audi" suggestion. I drive
in the Greater Toronto Area where the city's answer to all winter road
issues is to liberally apply raw rock salt to everything. Cars don't
generally last very long here unless stored under a tarp in a sealed
garage.

I just came back from a jaunt in my 16 year-old Audi A4 2.8 Quattro.
It's a 1998 (and a half), owned by me from new and serviced, at the
dealer, at quite reasonable prices. It's in excellent shape, and the
paint (original) still shines up after a wash and wax close to
like-factory-new gloss. No rust on it anywhere.

My chief complaint is the difficulty in fitting an iPod dock to it.


On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 11:49 AM, steve harley  wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 26, 2014, at 15:17, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>> The Barnack is now an *expensive* historic novelty, Paul. ;-)
>>
>> The Audi vs Mercedes thing is interesting … Far as I've seen, ten year
>> old Audis are often too expensive to repair and keep running, seldom seen
>> on the road, while there seem to be a LOT of perfectly healthy 20+ year
>> old Mercedes on the road all the time around here.
>
> the dangers of generalizing from personal experience — here in Colorado,
> there are more than ten times as many 10-year-old Audis as Mercedes on
> the road; i was in Denmark last week and noticed a similar proportion,
> perhaps not quite as skewed; my partner is on her third Audi, having
> being forced once again by other people's recklessness to upgrade from
> an over 10-year-old A4 that was in great condition; the latest purchase
> is a 2009, and our intention is to keep it at least five years
>
>> Quality and
>> durability costs money to buy but pays you back in the long run. The fact
>> that few people keep a car long enough to obtain this kind of value is
>> their problem…
>
> … and someone else's opportunity; all this household's Audi purchase
> were used but in excellent condition; and i just bought my fourth old
> Saab, a 1995 9000 Aero; while these cars present some challenges they
> suit my needs well while costing relatively little; my approach to
> cameras is similar — a mix of old and newish, but mostly purchased used,
> has a certain practicality that makes up for never getting to experience
> that new camera smell
>
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Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.

[Larry Colen]

On Apr 28, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

> Yep. Fisher is a division of GM. It has its roots in a coach building company 
> that was founded more than 100 years ago. Back in the day they also built 
> bodies for Hudson, Packard and a few others, but not Chrysler. 

That’d be a good T-shirt,  “Body by Fisher” and the picture of a chessboard.


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Re: OT - an ethical and legal quag-Maier

[Bruce Walker]

Sorry about that, John. They must have changed the access rights just
minutes ago. I followed the URL from a posting on LinkedIn and read
the entire article. I even had the option to download the PDF (didn't
bother though). That's how I was able to scrape that quote.

BTW, they only want $39 for a copy of the single article, not $220. FWIW.

Oh well, another pun wasted. ;-)

On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 4:39 PM, John  wrote:
> I would find the article a whole lot more interesting if they weren't
> asking me to pay $220 to read it.
>
> Does raise an interesting question though. Who controls your estate if
> you have no heirs?
>
>
> On 4/28/2014 4:24 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>>
>> "A close reading of US copyright law indicates that none of the
>> parties who acquired Maier’s negatives from the storage warehouse or
>> afterward -- and are publishing them now without her written
>> permission -- have a legal right to do so. None of the current
>> publishers hold copyright to her negatives; that right devolves to
>> Maier’s estate and heirs for at least 70 years from the date of her
>> death, as per US Code Title 17 [...]  The disposition of Vivian
>> Maier’s estate, and specifically her photographic collection, raises
>> serious questions of legal and ethical practice on the part of those
>> who collect art, and of those who trade, publish and display it,
>> including in galleries and museums." -- Kevin Coffee
>>
>>
>> https://www.academia.edu/6320666/Misplaced_Ethics_and_the_photographs_of_Vivian_Maier
>>
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Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.

[Ken Waller]

Your're correct Paul - they eventually sorted out the issues - and they did 
lead to advances in the industry - my comments were directed to initial 
implementation.


Ford for the most part lagged in industry innovations as far as automotive 
components were concerned.


Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Stenquist" 

Subject: Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.


But you’re a Ford guy. Some Chrysler innovations worked out well, including 
power convertible tops, automatic overdrive systems, power windows, power 
steering and alternators to name a few.



On Apr 28, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:

In my circles Chrysler has been known for many engineering break-throughs 
most of which fell short in the execution.



But please, let's not divert from the entertaining Leica bashing. :-)
it's somewhat closer to the supposed topic of this forum.


And here I thought the supposed topic of this forum was Pentax !

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" 
Subject: Fwd: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.




Begin forwarded message:


From: Godfrey DiGiorgi 
Subject: Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.
Date: April 27, 2014 at 1:52:14 PM PDT
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 

Far as I'm concerned, Paul, Chrysler was always a failure. Even worse 
crap than GM. I'm glad the Italians control them now.


MOPAR has made some winners and some losers.  At 200,000 miles, many of 
which spent towing, my van is starting to show it’s age, but I bet it’ll 
still do a better job of towing your Mercedes than your Mercedes will do 
towing it.  As to performance, it has probably turned a faster lap time at 
Thunderhill than your Mercedes ever has as well.  With 360 God fearing all 
American cubic inches the mileage isn’t the best, but if I put in all of 
the seats and didn’t drive with a lead foot, I could probably get upwards 
of 130 passenger miles per gallon.


Yeah, my tongue spent a bit of time in my cheek in the above paragraph, 
but every car company has strengths and weaknesses. I’m glad that you like 
your car, that’s all that matters for you.  The only car Mercedes has made 
in recent memory that has held any appeal to me is the Smart, but I’m not 
into luxobarges. On the other hand Chrysler made the Viper GTS, and until 
you’ve had eight liters of V10 pass you on the track at full song you 
simply cannot comprehend the concept of priapism in a can.


Everyone in the automotive industry that I’ve heard or read has pretty 
much said what Paul did.  Daimler came in, raped over Chrysler. When there 
seems to be a consensus among people who know more about the automotive 
industry than you do about Apple computers, I suspect that there might be 
something to what they say.  I might not ask Paul for advice on which iPad 
to buy, but considering that he’s worked for both of the auto companies 
under discussion, I have a hunch that he’s not just blowing smoke out of 
his ass.




And Audi is a brand-engineered VW.


And Porsches are nothing but VWs with a hormone imbalance, or as I’ve 
heard them described “A really bad idea that has been meticulously 
perfected”. Even so, you might want to chat with John Buffum about Audis 
deficiencies.




But please, let's not divert from the entertaining Leica bashing. :-)
it's somewhat closer to the supposed topic of this forum.


I don’t think anyone has serious complaints with Leicas, just their prices 
and some of the people who own them.


:-)



Godfrey


On Apr 27, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Paul Stenquist  
wrote:


Oh my! You do invent your own reality, don’t your? I was there when 
Daimler and Chrysler “merged," working on the Chrysler ad biz, so I’ll 
educate you. Chrysler never owend" Daimler. Eaton and the rest of 
Chrysler mangement sold out to Daimler for a huge amount of cash. 
Daimller was calling all the shots. Hell, they sent Dieter Zetsche, who 
is now Daimler CEO, here to run the Chrylser group. (Zetsche was a nice 
guy. We had a good time at Daytona when Dodge premiered in NASCAR, but 
his loyalty was definitely to the motherland.) At the time, Mercedes was 
not doing well, but Chrysler had 9 billion dollars in the bank. Daimler 
emptied Chrysler’s piggy bank in a matter of years, then left town, 
leaving a broke and decimated Chrylser behind. Cerebus dragged the 
carcass around for a few years, then Marchione came to town and saved 
Chrysler. Unlike Daimler, Marchione really means it. He wants Chrylser 
to succeed. And they are.


I worked on the Mercede-Benz ad biz as well at McCaffrey & McCall in the 
1980s. (My commercial, “Interview” iis still considered the best 
Mercedes spot of all time and it won the Gold Clio for best automotive 
spot of 1990.) Mercedes was on a roll when I wrote that commercial, but 
withing months Lexus and Infiniti came on the scene, a

Re: OT - an ethical and legal quag-Maier

[Bob W-PDML]

On 28 Apr 2014, at 21:42, "John"  wrote:
> 
> I would find the article a whole lot more interesting if they weren't
> asking me to pay $220 to read it.
> 
> Does raise an interesting question though. Who controls your estate if
> you have no heirs?

In the UK the estate passes to the Queen's corgis.

B


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Re: OT - an ethical and legal quag-Maier

[Bob W-PDML]

Does this mean we have to give our books back?

I like this phrase: 
"  [...] her gaze ranged as far as South Asia and North Africa. [...]  "

I'm going to use that for my next holiday snaps.

P.S. Great pun. Much to be adMaiered.

B

> On 28 Apr 2014, at 21:25, "Bruce Walker"  wrote:
> 
> "A close reading of US copyright law indicates that none of the
> parties who acquired Maier’s negatives from the storage warehouse or
> afterward -- and are publishing them now without her written
> permission -- have a legal right to do so. None of the current
> publishers hold copyright to her negatives; that right devolves to
> Maier’s estate and heirs for at least 70 years from the date of her
> death, as per US Code Title 17 [...]  The disposition of Vivian
> Maier’s estate, and specifically her photographic collection, raises
> serious questions of legal and ethical practice on the part of those
> who collect art, and of those who trade, publish and display it,
> including in galleries and museums." -- Kevin Coffee
> 
> https://www.academia.edu/6320666/Misplaced_Ethics_and_the_photographs_of_Vivian_Maier
> 
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Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.

[Paul Stenquist]

But you’re a Ford guy. Some Chrysler innovations worked out well, including 
power convertible tops, automatic overdrive systems, power windows, power 
steering and alternators to name a few.


On Apr 28, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:

> In my circles Chrysler has been known for many engineering break-throughs 
> most of which fell short in the execution.
> 
>> But please, let's not divert from the entertaining Leica bashing. :-)
>> it's somewhat closer to the supposed topic of this forum.
> 
> And here I thought the supposed topic of this forum was Pentax !
> 
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" 
> Subject: Fwd: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi 
>> Subject: Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.
>> Date: April 27, 2014 at 1:52:14 PM PDT
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>> 
>> Far as I'm concerned, Paul, Chrysler was always a failure. Even worse crap 
>> than GM. I'm glad the Italians control them now.
> 
> MOPAR has made some winners and some losers.  At 200,000 miles, many of which 
> spent towing, my van is starting to show it’s age, but I bet it’ll still do a 
> better job of towing your Mercedes than your Mercedes will do towing it.  As 
> to performance, it has probably turned a faster lap time at Thunderhill than 
> your Mercedes ever has as well.  With 360 God fearing all American cubic 
> inches the mileage isn’t the best, but if I put in all of the seats and 
> didn’t drive with a lead foot, I could probably get upwards of 130 passenger 
> miles per gallon.
> 
> Yeah, my tongue spent a bit of time in my cheek in the above paragraph, but 
> every car company has strengths and weaknesses. I’m glad that you like your 
> car, that’s all that matters for you.  The only car Mercedes has made in 
> recent memory that has held any appeal to me is the Smart, but I’m not into 
> luxobarges. On the other hand Chrysler made the Viper GTS, and until you’ve 
> had eight liters of V10 pass you on the track at full song you simply cannot 
> comprehend the concept of priapism in a can.
> 
> Everyone in the automotive industry that I’ve heard or read has pretty much 
> said what Paul did.  Daimler came in, raped over Chrysler. When there seems 
> to be a consensus among people who know more about the automotive industry 
> than you do about Apple computers, I suspect that there might be something to 
> what they say.  I might not ask Paul for advice on which iPad to buy, but 
> considering that he’s worked for both of the auto companies under discussion, 
> I have a hunch that he’s not just blowing smoke out of his ass.
> 
>> 
>> And Audi is a brand-engineered VW.
> 
> And Porsches are nothing but VWs with a hormone imbalance, or as I’ve heard 
> them described “A really bad idea that has been meticulously perfected”. Even 
> so, you might want to chat with John Buffum about Audis deficiencies.
> 
>> 
>> But please, let's not divert from the entertaining Leica bashing. :-)
>> it's somewhat closer to the supposed topic of this forum.
> 
> I don’t think anyone has serious complaints with Leicas, just their prices 
> and some of the people who own them.
> 
> :-)
> 
>> 
>> Godfrey
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 27, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh my! You do invent your own reality, don’t your? I was there when Daimler 
>>> and Chrysler “merged," working on the Chrysler ad biz, so I’ll educate you. 
>>> Chrysler never owend" Daimler. Eaton and the rest of Chrysler mangement 
>>> sold out to Daimler for a huge amount of cash. Daimller was calling all the 
>>> shots. Hell, they sent Dieter Zetsche, who is now Daimler CEO, here to run 
>>> the Chrylser group. (Zetsche was a nice guy. We had a good time at Daytona 
>>> when Dodge premiered in NASCAR, but his loyalty was definitely to the 
>>> motherland.) At the time, Mercedes was not doing well, but Chrysler had 9 
>>> billion dollars in the bank. Daimler emptied Chrysler’s piggy bank in a 
>>> matter of years, then left town, leaving a broke and decimated Chrylser 
>>> behind. Cerebus dragged the carcass around for a few years, then Marchione 
>>> came to town and saved Chrysler. Unlike Daimler, Marchione really means it. 
>>> He wants Chrylser to succeed. And they are.
>>> 
>>> I worked on the Mercede-Benz ad biz as well at McCaffrey & McCall in the 
>>> 1980s. (My commercial, “Interview” iis still considered the best Mercedes 
>>> spot of all time and it won the Gold Clio for best automotive spot of 
>>> 1990.) Mercedes was on a roll when I wrote that commercial, but withing 
>>> months Lexus and Infiniti came on the scene, and Daimler panicked. They 
>>> told me they could no longer be “Emgineered Like No Other Car In the 
>>> World.” It was too arrogant. And they took a lot of content out of the cars 
>>> so they could match the prices of the 

Re: OT - an ethical and legal quag-Maier

[John]

I would find the article a whole lot more interesting if they weren't
asking me to pay $220 to read it.

Does raise an interesting question though. Who controls your estate if
you have no heirs?

On 4/28/2014 4:24 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

"A close reading of US copyright law indicates that none of the
parties who acquired Maier’s negatives from the storage warehouse or
afterward -- and are publishing them now without her written
permission -- have a legal right to do so. None of the current
publishers hold copyright to her negatives; that right devolves to
Maier’s estate and heirs for at least 70 years from the date of her
death, as per US Code Title 17 [...]  The disposition of Vivian
Maier’s estate, and specifically her photographic collection, raises
serious questions of legal and ethical practice on the part of those
who collect art, and of those who trade, publish and display it,
including in galleries and museums." -- Kevin Coffee

https://www.academia.edu/6320666/Misplaced_Ethics_and_the_photographs_of_Vivian_Maier

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Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.

[Paul Stenquist]

Yep. Fisher is a division of GM. It has its roots in a coach building company 
that was founded more than 100 years ago. Back in the day they also built 
bodies for Hudson, Packard and a few others, but not Chrysler. 

On Apr 28, 2014, at 4:33 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:

> 'Body by Fisher' was always associated with General Motors cars in my 
> experience.
> 
>> Now, do you have some idea of how long I've existed?
> 
> At least as long as me!
> 
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Jack Davis" 
> Subject: Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.
> 
> 
>> As I was growing up, actually not that far up, the mantra for all Chrysler 
>> products was they have a "Body by Fisher."
>> That always resulted in head nodding and general agreement that was enough 
>> to recommend them. Them being, Plymouth, Dodge,
>> DeSoto and Chrysler.
>> Someone always had to add: "ya know, Fisher used to make fine buggy bodies."
>> Now, do you have some idea of how long I've existed?
>> 
>> Jack
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Ken Waller" 
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 12:43:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.
>> 
>> In my circles Chrysler has been known for many engineering break-throughs
>> most of which fell short in the execution.
>> 
>>> But please, let's not divert from the entertaining Leica bashing. :-)
>>> it's somewhat closer to the supposed topic of this forum.
>> 
>> And here I thought the supposed topic of this forum was Pentax !
>> 
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" 
>> Subject: Fwd: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi 
>>> Subject: Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.
>>> Date: April 27, 2014 at 1:52:14 PM PDT
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>>> 
>>> Far as I'm concerned, Paul, Chrysler was always a failure. Even worse crap
>>> than GM. I'm glad the Italians control them now.
>> 
>> MOPAR has made some winners and some losers.  At 200,000 miles, many of
>> which spent towing, my van is starting to show it’s age, but I bet it’ll
>> still do a better job of towing your Mercedes than your Mercedes will do
>> towing it.  As to performance, it has probably turned a faster lap time at
>> Thunderhill than your Mercedes ever has as well.  With 360 God fearing all
>> American cubic inches the mileage isn’t the best, but if I put in all of the
>> seats and didn’t drive with a lead foot, I could probably get upwards of 130
>> passenger miles per gallon.
>> 
>> Yeah, my tongue spent a bit of time in my cheek in the above paragraph, but
>> every car company has strengths and weaknesses. I’m glad that you like your
>> car, that’s all that matters for you.  The only car Mercedes has made in
>> recent memory that has held any appeal to me is the Smart, but I’m not into
>> luxobarges. On the other hand Chrysler made the Viper GTS, and until you’ve
>> had eight liters of V10 pass you on the track at full song you simply cannot
>> comprehend the concept of priapism in a can.
>> 
>> Everyone in the automotive industry that I’ve heard or read has pretty much
>> said what Paul did.  Daimler came in, raped over Chrysler. When there seems
>> to be a consensus among people who know more about the automotive industry
>> than you do about Apple computers, I suspect that there might be something
>> to what they say.  I might not ask Paul for advice on which iPad to buy, but
>> considering that he’s worked for both of the auto companies under
>> discussion, I have a hunch that he’s not just blowing smoke out of his ass.
>> 
>>> 
>>> And Audi is a brand-engineered VW.
>> 
>> And Porsches are nothing but VWs with a hormone imbalance, or as I’ve heard
>> them described “A really bad idea that has been meticulously perfected”.
>> Even so, you might want to chat with John Buffum about Audis deficiencies.
>> 
>>> 
>>> But please, let's not divert from the entertaining Leica bashing. :-)
>>> it's somewhat closer to the supposed topic of this forum.
>> 
>> I don’t think anyone has serious complaints with Leicas, just their prices
>> and some of the people who own them.
>> 
>> :-)
>> 
>>> 
>>> Godfrey
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 27, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Paul Stenquist 
 wrote:
 
 Oh my! You do invent your own reality, don’t your? I was there when
 Daimler and Chrysler “merged," working on the Chrysler ad biz, so I’ll
 educate you. Chrysler never owend" Daimler. Eaton and the rest of
 Chrysler mangement sold out to Daimler for a huge amount of cash.
 Daimller was calling all the shots. Hell, they sent Dieter Zetsche, who
 is now Daimler CEO, here to run the Chrylser group. (Zetsche was a nice
 guy. We had a good time at Daytona when Dodge premiered in NA

Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.

[Ken Waller]

'Body by Fisher' was always associated with General Motors cars in my 
experience.



Now, do you have some idea of how long I've existed?


At least as long as me!

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: "Jack Davis" 

Subject: Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.


As I was growing up, actually not that far up, the mantra for all Chrysler 
products was they have a "Body by Fisher."
That always resulted in head nodding and general agreement that was enough 
to recommend them. Them being, Plymouth, Dodge,

DeSoto and Chrysler.
Someone always had to add: "ya know, Fisher used to make fine buggy 
bodies."

Now, do you have some idea of how long I've existed?

Jack

- Original Message -
From: "Ken Waller" 
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 12:43:48 PM
Subject: Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.

In my circles Chrysler has been known for many engineering break-throughs
most of which fell short in the execution.


But please, let's not divert from the entertaining Leica bashing. :-)
it's somewhat closer to the supposed topic of this forum.


And here I thought the supposed topic of this forum was Pentax !

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: "Larry Colen" 

Subject: Fwd: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.




Begin forwarded message:


From: Godfrey DiGiorgi 
Subject: Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.
Date: April 27, 2014 at 1:52:14 PM PDT
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 

Far as I'm concerned, Paul, Chrysler was always a failure. Even worse 
crap

than GM. I'm glad the Italians control them now.


MOPAR has made some winners and some losers.  At 200,000 miles, many of
which spent towing, my van is starting to show it’s age, but I bet it’ll
still do a better job of towing your Mercedes than your Mercedes will do
towing it.  As to performance, it has probably turned a faster lap time at
Thunderhill than your Mercedes ever has as well.  With 360 God fearing all
American cubic inches the mileage isn’t the best, but if I put in all of 
the
seats and didn’t drive with a lead foot, I could probably get upwards of 
130

passenger miles per gallon.

Yeah, my tongue spent a bit of time in my cheek in the above paragraph, 
but
every car company has strengths and weaknesses. I’m glad that you like 
your

car, that’s all that matters for you.  The only car Mercedes has made in
recent memory that has held any appeal to me is the Smart, but I’m not 
into

luxobarges. On the other hand Chrysler made the Viper GTS, and until you’ve
had eight liters of V10 pass you on the track at full song you simply 
cannot

comprehend the concept of priapism in a can.

Everyone in the automotive industry that I’ve heard or read has pretty 
much
said what Paul did.  Daimler came in, raped over Chrysler. When there 
seems

to be a consensus among people who know more about the automotive industry
than you do about Apple computers, I suspect that there might be something
to what they say.  I might not ask Paul for advice on which iPad to buy, 
but

considering that he’s worked for both of the auto companies under
discussion, I have a hunch that he’s not just blowing smoke out of his 
ass.




And Audi is a brand-engineered VW.


And Porsches are nothing but VWs with a hormone imbalance, or as I’ve 
heard

them described “A really bad idea that has been meticulously perfected”.
Even so, you might want to chat with John Buffum about Audis deficiencies.



But please, let's not divert from the entertaining Leica bashing. :-)
it's somewhat closer to the supposed topic of this forum.


I don’t think anyone has serious complaints with Leicas, just their prices
and some of the people who own them.

:-)



Godfrey



On Apr 27, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Paul Stenquist 
wrote:

Oh my! You do invent your own reality, don’t your? I was there when
Daimler and Chrysler “merged," working on the Chrysler ad biz, so I’ll
educate you. Chrysler never owend" Daimler. Eaton and the rest of
Chrysler mangement sold out to Daimler for a huge amount of cash.
Daimller was calling all the shots. Hell, they sent Dieter Zetsche, who
is now Daimler CEO, here to run the Chrylser group. (Zetsche was a nice
guy. We had a good time at Daytona when Dodge premiered in NASCAR, but
his loyalty was definitely to the motherland.) At the time, Mercedes was
not doing well, but Chrysler had 9 billion dollars in the bank. Daimler
emptied Chrysler’s piggy bank in a matter of years, then left town,
leaving a broke and decimated Chrylser behind. Cerebus dragged the
carcass around for a few years, then Marchione came to town and saved
Chrysler. Unlike Daimler, Marchione really means it. He wants Chrylser 
to

succeed. And they are.

I worked on the Mercede-Benz ad biz as well at McCaffrey & McCall in the
1980s. (My commercial, “Interview” iis still considered the

Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.

[John]

I thought "Body by Fisher" was GM?

On 4/28/2014 4:21 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

As I was growing up, actually not that far up, the mantra for all Chrysler products was 
they have a "Body by Fisher."
That always resulted in head nodding and general agreement that was enough to 
recommend them. Them being, Plymouth, Dodge,
DeSoto and Chrysler.
Someone always had to add: "ya know, Fisher used to make fine buggy bodies."
Now, do you have some idea of how long I've existed?

Jack

- Original Message -
From: "Ken Waller" 
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 12:43:48 PM
Subject: Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.

In my circles Chrysler has been known for many engineering break-throughs
most of which fell short in the execution.


But please, let's not divert from the entertaining Leica bashing. :-)
it's somewhat closer to the supposed topic of this forum.


And here I thought the supposed topic of this forum was Pentax !

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message -
From: "Larry Colen" 
Subject: Fwd: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.




Begin forwarded message:


From: Godfrey DiGiorgi 
Subject: Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.
Date: April 27, 2014 at 1:52:14 PM PDT
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 

Far as I'm concerned, Paul, Chrysler was always a failure. Even worse crap
than GM. I'm glad the Italians control them now.


MOPAR has made some winners and some losers.  At 200,000 miles, many of
which spent towing, my van is starting to show it’s age, but I bet it’ll
still do a better job of towing your Mercedes than your Mercedes will do
towing it.  As to performance, it has probably turned a faster lap time at
Thunderhill than your Mercedes ever has as well.  With 360 God fearing all
American cubic inches the mileage isn’t the best, but if I put in all of the
seats and didn’t drive with a lead foot, I could probably get upwards of 130
passenger miles per gallon.

Yeah, my tongue spent a bit of time in my cheek in the above paragraph, but
every car company has strengths and weaknesses. I’m glad that you like your
car, that’s all that matters for you.  The only car Mercedes has made in
recent memory that has held any appeal to me is the Smart, but I’m not into
luxobarges. On the other hand Chrysler made the Viper GTS, and until you’ve
had eight liters of V10 pass you on the track at full song you simply cannot
comprehend the concept of priapism in a can.

Everyone in the automotive industry that I’ve heard or read has pretty much
said what Paul did.  Daimler came in, raped over Chrysler. When there seems
to be a consensus among people who know more about the automotive industry
than you do about Apple computers, I suspect that there might be something
to what they say.  I might not ask Paul for advice on which iPad to buy, but
considering that he’s worked for both of the auto companies under
discussion, I have a hunch that he’s not just blowing smoke out of his ass.



And Audi is a brand-engineered VW.


And Porsches are nothing but VWs with a hormone imbalance, or as I’ve heard
them described “A really bad idea that has been meticulously perfected”.
Even so, you might want to chat with John Buffum about Audis deficiencies.



But please, let's not divert from the entertaining Leica bashing. :-)
it's somewhat closer to the supposed topic of this forum.


I don’t think anyone has serious complaints with Leicas, just their prices
and some of the people who own them.

:-)



Godfrey



On Apr 27, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Paul Stenquist 
wrote:

Oh my! You do invent your own reality, don’t your? I was there when
Daimler and Chrysler “merged," working on the Chrysler ad biz, so I’ll
educate you. Chrysler never owend" Daimler. Eaton and the rest of
Chrysler mangement sold out to Daimler for a huge amount of cash.
Daimller was calling all the shots. Hell, they sent Dieter Zetsche, who
is now Daimler CEO, here to run the Chrylser group. (Zetsche was a nice
guy. We had a good time at Daytona when Dodge premiered in NASCAR, but
his loyalty was definitely to the motherland.) At the time, Mercedes was
not doing well, but Chrysler had 9 billion dollars in the bank. Daimler
emptied Chrysler’s piggy bank in a matter of years, then left town,
leaving a broke and decimated Chrylser behind. Cerebus dragged the
carcass around for a few years, then Marchione came to town and saved
Chrysler. Unlike Daimler, Marchione really means it. He wants Chrylser to
succeed. And they are.

I worked on the Mercede-Benz ad biz as well at McCaffrey & McCall in the
1980s. (My commercial, “Interview” iis still considered the best Mercedes
spot of all time and it won the Gold Clio for best automotive spot of
1990.) Mercedes was on a roll when I wrote that commercial, but withing
months Lexus and Infiniti came on the scene, and Daimler panicked. They
told me they could no longer be “Emgineered Like No Other Car

Re: OT - an ethical and legal quag-Maier

[Darren Addy]

On the other hand, anyone could have purchased the undeveloped film
and unprinted negatives at auction (presumably part of the settling of
her estate) and flushed them down the toilet with all the rights in
the world. Tempest, meet teapot.

I think I know which I think is more "ethical".

On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> "A close reading of US copyright law indicates that none of the
> parties who acquired Maier’s negatives from the storage warehouse or
> afterward -- and are publishing them now without her written
> permission -- have a legal right to do so. None of the current
> publishers hold copyright to her negatives; that right devolves to
> Maier’s estate and heirs for at least 70 years from the date of her
> death, as per US Code Title 17 [...]  The disposition of Vivian
> Maier’s estate, and specifically her photographic collection, raises
> serious questions of legal and ethical practice on the part of those
> who collect art, and of those who trade, publish and display it,
> including in galleries and museums." -- Kevin Coffee
>
> https://www.academia.edu/6320666/Misplaced_Ethics_and_the_photographs_of_Vivian_Maier
>
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OT - an ethical and legal quag-Maier

[Bruce Walker]

"A close reading of US copyright law indicates that none of the
parties who acquired Maier’s negatives from the storage warehouse or
afterward -- and are publishing them now without her written
permission -- have a legal right to do so. None of the current
publishers hold copyright to her negatives; that right devolves to
Maier’s estate and heirs for at least 70 years from the date of her
death, as per US Code Title 17 [...]  The disposition of Vivian
Maier’s estate, and specifically her photographic collection, raises
serious questions of legal and ethical practice on the part of those
who collect art, and of those who trade, publish and display it,
including in galleries and museums." -- Kevin Coffee

https://www.academia.edu/6320666/Misplaced_Ethics_and_the_photographs_of_Vivian_Maier

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Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.

[Jack Davis]

As I was growing up, actually not that far up, the mantra for all Chrysler 
products was they have a "Body by Fisher."
That always resulted in head nodding and general agreement that was enough to 
recommend them. Them being, Plymouth, Dodge,
DeSoto and Chrysler.
Someone always had to add: "ya know, Fisher used to make fine buggy bodies."
Now, do you have some idea of how long I've existed?

Jack

- Original Message -
From: "Ken Waller" 
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 12:43:48 PM
Subject: Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.

In my circles Chrysler has been known for many engineering break-throughs 
most of which fell short in the execution.

> But please, let's not divert from the entertaining Leica bashing. :-)
> it's somewhat closer to the supposed topic of this forum.

And here I thought the supposed topic of this forum was Pentax !

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: "Larry Colen" 
Subject: Fwd: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.




Begin forwarded message:

> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi 
> Subject: Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.
> Date: April 27, 2014 at 1:52:14 PM PDT
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
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>
> Far as I'm concerned, Paul, Chrysler was always a failure. Even worse crap 
> than GM. I'm glad the Italians control them now.

MOPAR has made some winners and some losers.  At 200,000 miles, many of 
which spent towing, my van is starting to show it’s age, but I bet it’ll 
still do a better job of towing your Mercedes than your Mercedes will do 
towing it.  As to performance, it has probably turned a faster lap time at 
Thunderhill than your Mercedes ever has as well.  With 360 God fearing all 
American cubic inches the mileage isn’t the best, but if I put in all of the 
seats and didn’t drive with a lead foot, I could probably get upwards of 130 
passenger miles per gallon.

Yeah, my tongue spent a bit of time in my cheek in the above paragraph, but 
every car company has strengths and weaknesses. I’m glad that you like your 
car, that’s all that matters for you.  The only car Mercedes has made in 
recent memory that has held any appeal to me is the Smart, but I’m not into 
luxobarges. On the other hand Chrysler made the Viper GTS, and until you’ve 
had eight liters of V10 pass you on the track at full song you simply cannot 
comprehend the concept of priapism in a can.

Everyone in the automotive industry that I’ve heard or read has pretty much 
said what Paul did.  Daimler came in, raped over Chrysler. When there seems 
to be a consensus among people who know more about the automotive industry 
than you do about Apple computers, I suspect that there might be something 
to what they say.  I might not ask Paul for advice on which iPad to buy, but 
considering that he’s worked for both of the auto companies under 
discussion, I have a hunch that he’s not just blowing smoke out of his ass.

>
> And Audi is a brand-engineered VW.

And Porsches are nothing but VWs with a hormone imbalance, or as I’ve heard 
them described “A really bad idea that has been meticulously perfected”. 
Even so, you might want to chat with John Buffum about Audis deficiencies.

>
> But please, let's not divert from the entertaining Leica bashing. :-)
> it's somewhat closer to the supposed topic of this forum.

I don’t think anyone has serious complaints with Leicas, just their prices 
and some of the people who own them.

:-)

>
> Godfrey
>
>
>> On Apr 27, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Paul Stenquist  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Oh my! You do invent your own reality, don’t your? I was there when 
>> Daimler and Chrysler “merged," working on the Chrysler ad biz, so I’ll 
>> educate you. Chrysler never owend" Daimler. Eaton and the rest of 
>> Chrysler mangement sold out to Daimler for a huge amount of cash. 
>> Daimller was calling all the shots. Hell, they sent Dieter Zetsche, who 
>> is now Daimler CEO, here to run the Chrylser group. (Zetsche was a nice 
>> guy. We had a good time at Daytona when Dodge premiered in NASCAR, but 
>> his loyalty was definitely to the motherland.) At the time, Mercedes was 
>> not doing well, but Chrysler had 9 billion dollars in the bank. Daimler 
>> emptied Chrysler’s piggy bank in a matter of years, then left town, 
>> leaving a broke and decimated Chrylser behind. Cerebus dragged the 
>> carcass around for a few years, then Marchione came to town and saved 
>> Chrysler. Unlike Daimler, Marchione really means it. He wants Chrylser to 
>> succeed. And they are.
>>
>> I worked on the Mercede-Benz ad biz as well at McCaffrey & McCall in the 
>> 1980s. (My commercial, “Interview” iis still considered the best Mercedes 
>> spot of all time and it won the Gold Clio for best automotive spot of 
>> 1990.) Mercedes was on a roll when I wrote that commercial, but withing 
>> months Lexus and Infiniti came on the scene, and Daimler panicked. They 
>> tol

Re: The Saga Continues

[John]

Just a little update ... I managed to get the malware off my computer
without resorting to FDISK & starting all over again.

Took some aggressive hunting to find all of the instances where it had
it's hooks into my browser, including apparently it installed itself
into Internet Exploder, so I had to find it and eliminate it from there
as well before it would let go. Once I got it un-installed from
"Programs and Features", I ran regedit & searched for any of its aliases
there. Looks like I got them all.

Meanwhile ... I've got my Nikon Coolscan-IV up and running on this
system. Found the instructions on a Windoze7 forum with links to the
necessary .dll and .inf files. It requires a version of Nikon Scan that
was made for Windows Vista. I mention this because I remember several
other list members have Nikon Scanners.

Seems to be working well. I've started scanning old negatives,
particularly some of the rescued negatives & slides from when my
collection was almost completely destroyed by Hurricane Fran. It's not
much, but some of them might be usable. I already got something for the
May PUG.


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Re: K 3 Question

[Ken Waller]

But you can switch back and forth between focal point selection and menu 
choices by pushing the little button .to the right of the 4-way 
controller.


Thanks Paul - that was the kind of interplay I was hoping for. My previous 
K20D kinda spoiled me after all these years - I got very familiar with it - 
the K3 is different in some ways with its controls but it will only get 
frienflier with increased usage.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Stenquist" 

Subject: Re: K 3 Question


But you can switch back and forth between focal point selection and menu 
choices by pushing the little button to the right of the 4-way controller.


Paul
On Apr 27, 2014, at 11:53 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:


Thanks Paul & Mark.

What I finbally figured out was the when you have the focus  set to be 
moveable via the 4-way controller, you loose the ability to access the 
functions indicated on the 4 way controller - drive mode being one of 
them.


Camera manuals are really the pits nowadays. I have similar issues with 
the Nikon Coolpix manual !


There are so many features on the K-3 that are mentioned but not 
elaborated on in the manual.


Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" 


Subject: Re: K 3 Question



That yields drive mode on the K-3, same as the K-5 essentially.

Paul
On Apr 27, 2014, at 9:12 PM, Mark C  wrote:

What happens when you press the top button on the 4-way controller in 
non-live view mode?


On 4/27/2014 9:07 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
Is there another way to access the drive mode menu other than thru 
Live View? As far as I can tell the manual doesn't mention an 
alternate way. Its inconvenient to have to always go to live view.



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Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.

[Ken Waller]

In my circles Chrysler has been known for many engineering break-throughs 
most of which fell short in the execution.



But please, let's not divert from the entertaining Leica bashing. :-)
it's somewhat closer to the supposed topic of this forum.


And here I thought the supposed topic of this forum was Pentax !

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- Original Message - 
From: "Larry Colen" 

Subject: Fwd: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.




Begin forwarded message:


From: Godfrey DiGiorgi 
Subject: Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.
Date: April 27, 2014 at 1:52:14 PM PDT
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Far as I'm concerned, Paul, Chrysler was always a failure. Even worse crap 
than GM. I'm glad the Italians control them now.


MOPAR has made some winners and some losers.  At 200,000 miles, many of 
which spent towing, my van is starting to show it’s age, but I bet it’ll 
still do a better job of towing your Mercedes than your Mercedes will do 
towing it.  As to performance, it has probably turned a faster lap time at 
Thunderhill than your Mercedes ever has as well.  With 360 God fearing all 
American cubic inches the mileage isn’t the best, but if I put in all of the 
seats and didn’t drive with a lead foot, I could probably get upwards of 130 
passenger miles per gallon.


Yeah, my tongue spent a bit of time in my cheek in the above paragraph, but 
every car company has strengths and weaknesses. I’m glad that you like your 
car, that’s all that matters for you.  The only car Mercedes has made in 
recent memory that has held any appeal to me is the Smart, but I’m not into 
luxobarges. On the other hand Chrysler made the Viper GTS, and until you’ve 
had eight liters of V10 pass you on the track at full song you simply cannot 
comprehend the concept of priapism in a can.


Everyone in the automotive industry that I’ve heard or read has pretty much 
said what Paul did.  Daimler came in, raped over Chrysler. When there seems 
to be a consensus among people who know more about the automotive industry 
than you do about Apple computers, I suspect that there might be something 
to what they say.  I might not ask Paul for advice on which iPad to buy, but 
considering that he’s worked for both of the auto companies under 
discussion, I have a hunch that he’s not just blowing smoke out of his ass.




And Audi is a brand-engineered VW.


And Porsches are nothing but VWs with a hormone imbalance, or as I’ve heard 
them described “A really bad idea that has been meticulously perfected”. 
Even so, you might want to chat with John Buffum about Audis deficiencies.




But please, let's not divert from the entertaining Leica bashing. :-)
it's somewhat closer to the supposed topic of this forum.


I don’t think anyone has serious complaints with Leicas, just their prices 
and some of the people who own them.


:-)



Godfrey


On Apr 27, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Paul Stenquist  
wrote:


Oh my! You do invent your own reality, don’t your? I was there when 
Daimler and Chrysler “merged," working on the Chrysler ad biz, so I’ll 
educate you. Chrysler never owend" Daimler. Eaton and the rest of 
Chrysler mangement sold out to Daimler for a huge amount of cash. 
Daimller was calling all the shots. Hell, they sent Dieter Zetsche, who 
is now Daimler CEO, here to run the Chrylser group. (Zetsche was a nice 
guy. We had a good time at Daytona when Dodge premiered in NASCAR, but 
his loyalty was definitely to the motherland.) At the time, Mercedes was 
not doing well, but Chrysler had 9 billion dollars in the bank. Daimler 
emptied Chrysler’s piggy bank in a matter of years, then left town, 
leaving a broke and decimated Chrylser behind. Cerebus dragged the 
carcass around for a few years, then Marchione came to town and saved 
Chrysler. Unlike Daimler, Marchione really means it. He wants Chrylser to 
succeed. And they are.


I worked on the Mercede-Benz ad biz as well at McCaffrey & McCall in the 
1980s. (My commercial, “Interview” iis still considered the best Mercedes 
spot of all time and it won the Gold Clio for best automotive spot of 
1990.) Mercedes was on a roll when I wrote that commercial, but withing 
months Lexus and Infiniti came on the scene, and Daimler panicked. They 
told me they could no longer be “Emgineered Like No Other Car In the 
World.” It was too arrogant. And they took a lot of content out of the 
cars so they could match the prices of the Japanese cars. I bailed and 
went to Detroit, and Mercedes quality declined. But the Germans are smart 
and they have a huge pool of engineering talent to draw on. Mercedes has 
made gains in recent years, but they never quite recovred. In many ways, 
they still trail BMW and Audi. And of course it’s heresy in the PC world, 
but Cadillac is producing better products than Mercedes for some 
segments — the ATS vs. the C-Class and the CTS vs. the E-class. Mercedes 
has a future, bu

Re: PESO - Reading and Aramark, or Old and New

[Richard Womer]

Thanks, Bob.

It doesn't look appetizing, for sure.

Rick
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On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> Rick,
> That is quite a contrast.
> After your comments, I can't help thinking the Aramark building looks
> like a prison.
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
> On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 8:30 AM, Richard Womer  wrote:
>> Thanks, Dan.
>> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  
>> wrote:
>>> That is a fine image, Rick.  I like the contrast between the
>>> architectural styles and colors of the two buildings.  Also, you
>>> captured a lot of interesting details in both.
>>>
>>> Dan Matyola
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
 In the foreground is the "headhouse" of Reading Terminal, built in 1893, 
 the headquarters of the once-mightly Reading Railroad.  It now contains 
 conference facilities for the Marriott Hotel across the street, and the 
 former train shed is part of the Pennsylvania Convention Center.

 In the background is the headquarters of Aramark, beloved (?) of patrons 
 of college and prison dining halls and employee cafeterias everywhere.

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17742774&size=lg

 or

 http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17742774-lg.jpg

 (K-5, FA 24-90)

 Comments?

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Re: PESO - Blossoms and Doorway

[Richard Womer]

I'm afraid I don't know, Dan.
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> Very nice, Rick.  What kind of blossoms are they?
>
> Dan Matyola
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>
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> On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17742768
>>
>> or
>>
>> http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17742768-lg.jpg
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>> (K-5, FA 24-90)
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>> Comments appreciated!
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Re: Peso. Norman ponders

[Richard Womer]

I like it, for all the reasons Dan does.

I guess the snowman/snow globe is there because you miss winter already…

Rick
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On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 11:55 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> Taken this past weekend.
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17749558
>
> K-5 with Sigma 17-70 f2.8-4
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Re: PESO: Riverine Bush Encroachment

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On 28 Apr 2014, at 15:39, "Alan C"  wrote:
> 
> The vegetation in Larry's waterfall shots prompted me to take this one but I 
> had only to walk 50m into the unkempt "park" alongside my house. 20 years ago 
> it was well maintained, good enough for a Sunday afternoon picnic. Not any 
> more, though. It now looks like it must have been 50 years ago. The new 
> powers that be aren't very keen on maintenance. 

That's the way I like vegetation. Nicely composed picture, too.

> There could be anything in the undergrowth, snakes for sure & even a rusting 
> old SLK!

Perhaps a family of Australopithecines.

> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/14050286025/
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Re: PESO: Liberty in Excess

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Dan Matyola
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On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Don Guthrie  wrote:
> Liberty for sale in NY...the scandal.
> pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote:
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>> Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 20:04:32 -0400
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>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17742276
>> K-r, smc DA 50mm F1.8
>> Comments are invited.
>>
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Re: Peso. Norman ponders

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I don't like cat photos, but that is a very fine image.  :The way you
use the leaves one the one side and the brightly lit curtain on the
other frames the beast nicely, while the nick-knacks and the glimpse
of the outside world add interest and context,  If you would only
substitute a dog for the feline, it would be almost perfect.

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On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 11:55 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
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> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17749558
>
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Re: PESO: Riverine Bush Encroachment

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Wow, that is really overgrown.

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On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Alan C  wrote:
> The vegetation in Larry's waterfall shots prompted me to take this one but I
> had only to walk 50m into the unkempt "park" alongside my house. 20 years
> ago it was well maintained, good enough for a Sunday afternoon picnic. Not
> any more, though. It now looks like it must have been 50 years ago. The new
> powers that be aren't very keen on maintenance. There could be anything in
> the undergrowth, snakes for sure & even a rusting old SLK!
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/14050286025/
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Re: PESO: Dogwood

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Don

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On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Don Guthrie  wrote:
> Like this close-up. Pretty & informative. Our Mags haven't opened yet
> Dogwood either.
>
>
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>> Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 01:36:44 -0400
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>>
>> Now that the Magnolias are in full bloom, can the Dogwoods be far behind?
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17746663
>> K-r, FA 100mm F2.8 Macro
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Re:PESO: Liberty in Excess

[Don Guthrie]

Liberty for sale in NY...the scandal.
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http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17742276
K-r, smc DA 50mm F1.8
Comments are invited.

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Re: PDML Digest, Vol 96, Issue 157

[Don Guthrie]

Message: 9
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 17:12:55 -0400
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Subject: PESO - Reading and Aramark, or Old and New
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pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote:

In the foreground is the "headhouse" of Reading Terminal, built in 1893, the 
headquarters of the once-mightly Reading Railroad.  It now contains conference facilities 
for the Marriott Hotel across the street, and the former train shed is part of the 
Pennsylvania Convention Center.

In the background is the headquarters of Aramark, beloved (?) of patrons of 
college and prison dining halls and employee cafeterias everywhere.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17742774&size=lg

or

http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17742774-lg.jpg

(K-5, FA 24-90)

Comments?

Rick


Nice contrast of different nature. BTW how many prisons have you dined in.



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Re:GESO: blossoms

[Don Guthrie]

Yes.

But then again my garden has no blossoms,only cold wet dirt so I cannot 
judge. Not that I am jealous or anything.



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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 14:03:37 -0700
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Ain?t they pretty?https://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2014/04/24/Blooming

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Re: PESO - Blossoms and Doorway

[Don Guthrie]

Nice composition contrasting flowers & brickwork. Might work in B&W.

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http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17742768

or

http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17742768-lg.jpg

(K-5, FA 24-90)

Comments appreciated!

Rick




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Re: PESO: Dogwood

[Don Guthrie]

Like this close-up. Pretty & informative. Our Mags haven't opened yet 
Dogwood either.



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Now that the Magnolias are in full bloom, can the Dogwoods be far behind?

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17746663
K-r, FA 100mm F2.8 Macro
Comments are invited

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Peso. Norman ponders

[David J Brooks]

Taken this past weekend.
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17749558

K-5 with Sigma 17-70 f2.8-4

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Re: Seeking advice on a shot

[Jack Davis]

I think it needs a primary element. I'd try getting low on the near side of the 
larger boulder, dialing in a small aperture and shooting the boulder to right 
of center and include a bit of water on the left. Available texture would be 
important on the boulder.
It needs an anchor and that boulder would seem to be it.(?)

Jack

P.S.: Toss those few "too close" brown sticks that will appear to the near 
center of your shot. 

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Subject: Re: Seeking advice on a shot

On Sun, Apr 27, 2014, at 3:04, Larry Colen wrote:
> 870, 872 and 875 in this set:
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157644355302375/

the waterfall itself, from what i can see, seems unphotogenic, but i
like the abstractness of the pondscum/bubbles; i am looking on a small
screen so perhaps there is detail that would change my opinion, but my
instinct would be to look for angles that diminish the distraction of
the branches, reflections, etc. and make the most of the abstract
geometry and subtle shading

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Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.

[steve harley]

On Sat, Apr 26, 2014, at 15:17, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> The Barnack is now an *expensive* historic novelty, Paul. ;-)
> 
> The Audi vs Mercedes thing is interesting … Far as I've seen, ten year
> old Audis are often too expensive to repair and keep running, seldom seen
> on the road, while there seem to be a LOT of perfectly healthy 20+ year
> old Mercedes on the road all the time around here. 

the dangers of generalizing from personal experience — here in Colorado,
there are more than ten times as many 10-year-old Audis as Mercedes on
the road; i was in Denmark last week and noticed a similar proportion,
perhaps not quite as skewed; my partner is on her third Audi, having
being forced once again by other people's recklessness to upgrade from
an over 10-year-old A4 that was in great condition; the latest purchase
is a 2009, and our intention is to keep it at least five years

> Quality and
> durability costs money to buy but pays you back in the long run. The fact
> that few people keep a car long enough to obtain this kind of value is
> their problem… 

… and someone else's opportunity; all this household's Audi purchase
were used but in excellent condition; and i just bought my fourth old
Saab, a 1995 9000 Aero; while these cars present some challenges they
suit my needs well while costing relatively little; my approach to
cameras is similar — a mix of old and newish, but mostly purchased used,
has a certain practicality that makes up for never getting to experience
that new camera smell

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Re: PESO: Riverine Bush Encroachment

[Jack Davis]

I believe that's the home of an 8' spider that almost "got" Tarzan back in 1944.

Jack

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Subject: PESO: Riverine Bush Encroachment

The vegetation in Larry's waterfall shots prompted me to take this one but I 
had only to walk 50m into the unkempt "park" alongside my house. 20 years 
ago it was well maintained, good enough for a Sunday afternoon picnic. Not 
any more, though. It now looks like it must have been 50 years ago. The new 
powers that be aren't very keen on maintenance. There could be anything in 
the undergrowth, snakes for sure & even a rusting old SLK!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/14050286025/

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Re: OT: The Leica T succeeds in pissing me off.

[steve harley]

On Fri, Apr 25, 2014, at 0:01, Tim Bray wrote:
> Color me old-fashioned, but I think people paying more for less is a
> news story.  When one observes anomalous behavior, it’s reasonable to
> bring attention to it, because things that don’t fit into one’s
> understanding of the world are educational opportunities.

i'm catching up after a trip and Tim's statement above is a good header
for the thoughts forming for me as i read this thread

as a Veblen good, Leica is not unique, but since in functionality, cost
and ostentation it is such an outlier, it's useful as an example against
which to test our ideas; in aa duty-free store at the Frankfurt airport
a few days ago i saw my first extensive Leica display, and my instant
reaction was "how could i carry that around", by which i mean the
ergonomics, though the "look at me" factor would also apply; on the
other hand, my dad spent the 60s doing a very gritty type of street
photography, using only a Leica and a single lens, so i see how at least
the film Leicas could be fantastic and humble tools

i also agree with Tim that new functional possibilities, combining the
best of software and ergonomics, are making the greatest strides in the
camera biz; while this currently yields cameras festooned with
inscrutible options, i foresee some settling as the UX designers realize
how cameras differ from websites; to this end i do not necessarily
discount touch screens, i just don't think we've seen what they can do
(on cameras) yet

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PESO: Riverine Bush Encroachment

[Alan C]

The vegetation in Larry's waterfall shots prompted me to take this one but I 
had only to walk 50m into the unkempt "park" alongside my house. 20 years 
ago it was well maintained, good enough for a Sunday afternoon picnic. Not 
any more, though. It now looks like it must have been 50 years ago. The new 
powers that be aren't very keen on maintenance. There could be anything in 
the undergrowth, snakes for sure & even a rusting old SLK!


https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/14050286025/

Alan C 



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Re: Seeking advice on a shot

[Stanley Halpin]

On 28 Apr 2014, at 01:02, Larry Colen  wrote:

> 
> On Apr 27, 2014, at 11:50 AM, Richard Womer  wrote:
> 
>> Larry, what's going on with the surface of the water? Is it the rock showing 
>> through or is there some sort of revolting scum floating on it?
> 
> There is a rock showing through.  I don’t know if it’s revolting scum, 
> sometimes bubbles on the surface don’t dissipate instantly.  I rather liked 
> the patterns made by the bubbles.
> 
>> 
>> Sorry, but none of these appeals to me.
> 
> OK.  
> 
> 
My assessment FWIW: 
1a: the scene as a whole is a jumbled mess. 
therefore
1b: look for interesting details that can be isolated

2a: the scraggly vegetation is not a good choice.

3a. waterfall itself has too much interference from distracting elements.
so
3b. ignore it or get closer (waterproof waders perhaps?)

4a. bubbles/scum on surface provides interesting abstraction.
therefore
4b. go for image(s) of the abstract patterns.

Your #72 comes closest (physically and metaphorically) to the aspect I would 
try to work over in this scene. But I would zoom in or crop to eliminate all 
twigs, vegetation, etc. leaving only a portion of the water surface, possibly 
including some of the rock.

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Re: Seeking advice on a shot

[steve harley]

On Sun, Apr 27, 2014, at 3:04, Larry Colen wrote:
> 870, 872 and 875 in this set:
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157644355302375/

the waterfall itself, from what i can see, seems unphotogenic, but i
like the abstractness of the pondscum/bubbles; i am looking on a small
screen so perhaps there is detail that would change my opinion, but my
instinct would be to look for angles that diminish the distraction of
the branches, reflections, etc. and make the most of the abstract
geometry and subtle shading

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Re: K 3 Question

[Paul Stenquist]

But you can switch back and forth between focal point selection and menu 
choices by pushing the little button to the right of the 4-way controller.

Paul
On Apr 27, 2014, at 11:53 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:

> Thanks Paul & Mark.
> 
> What I finbally figured out was the when you have the focus  set to be 
> moveable via the 4-way controller, you loose the ability to access the 
> functions indicated on the 4 way controller - drive mode being one of them.
> 
> Camera manuals are really the pits nowadays. I have similar issues with the 
> Nikon Coolpix manual !
> 
> There are so many features on the K-3 that are mentioned but not elaborated 
> on in the manual.
> 
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" 
> Subject: Re: K 3 Question
> 
> 
>> That yields drive mode on the K-3, same as the K-5 essentially.
>> 
>> Paul
>> On Apr 27, 2014, at 9:12 PM, Mark C  wrote:
>> 
>>> What happens when you press the top button on the 4-way controller in 
>>> non-live view mode?
>>> 
>>> On 4/27/2014 9:07 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
 Is there another way to access the drive mode menu other than thru Live 
 View? As far as I can tell the manual doesn't mention an alternate way. 
 Its inconvenient to have to always go to live view.
 
 
 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
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