date:20150901


Thanbks David,

Not sure - I didn't check his flying license but he looked like a young'un 
to me & my wife.


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- Original Message - 
From: "David Mann" 

Subject: Re: GESO - 'The Hawk & the Owl'


That’s very cool.  It makes me pine for the F*300 I sold.  Is that hawk a 
juvenile?


Some hawks moved into the abandoned “residential red zone” on the other 
side of town.  Sounds great until you realise it’s probably because they 
found plenty of rats to eat.  The land is being steadily cleared and 
momentum is building to turn it into a native forest park.


Cheers,
Dave


On Sep 1, 2015, at 7:38 am, Ken Waller  wrote:

Caught an interesting situation where a Cooper's Hawk was annoyed by a 
plastic owl on a neighbors deck & spend 20 minutes trying to get the owl 
to leave - theowl never flew away!


A sequence of 7 images - click on each to enlarge.

K3, 300mm f4.5 FA handheld

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Re: PESO - Huckleberry Finn!

Rick,

You are right.
The scene was too contrasty and keeping both the highlight and shadow
detail was problematic.
On top of this, the two extremes of the tonal range are on the boy.
I have recovered the highlights with some success (his curved back);
the payoff was loss of shadow detail (on his face).
I had made some local adjustments (salvation, really!) on the face.
I can perhaps overdo it a bit for screen presentation per your suggestion.
I believe the image may allow only a smallish print, if processed correctly.

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2015-08-29 5:09 GMT+03:00 Rick Womer :
> Bulent, I really like the second one.
>
> Maybe it's just my monitor, but the front of the boy in the first shot 
> (particularly his face) is just a dark splodge--some dodging in there to 
> bring out some detail might be good.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rick
>
> On Aug 25, 2015, at 4:13 PM, Bulent Celasun wrote:
>
>> Two images of the same setting.
>>
>> Both toned monochromes.
>>
>> The below scene reminded me of my childhood and my dreams of becoming
>> just another Huckleberry Finn:
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18075736=lg
>>
>>
>> This is the portrait of my hero :
>>
>> https://celasun.wordpress.com/2015/08/25/nature-boy/
>>
>>
>> Comments appreciated.
>>
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Re: PESO - 412

2015-09-01 Thread Marco Alpert

Thanks Dan, Alan, Rick and Igor for the comments.

It’s a bit of one of the five fountain pen ink testing stations at last 
weekend’s San Francisco International Pen Show. Each station offered 100 
different inks to try. And yes, that’s 500 different fountain pen inks (who 
knew?). Here’s a slightly wider view: 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/685j5d30bro9u2d/testing.jpg?dl=0

Sometime's it’s just got to be color.

- Marco


On Sep 1, 2015, at 8:24 AM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:

> 
> 
> Those look like eyelashes.
> 412 is for "Red Cherry" color.
> 
> Marco, that's a nice composition and use of the DOF!
> The first time I saw it earlier this morning on my phone, I thought if you 
> started shooting some photos for cosmetics advertisements.
> 
> BTW, the number of numbers on that page is overwhelming: Besides "412", there 
> is "sixteen" and "two thousand fifteen". And "they don't add up". :-)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Igor
> 
> 
> 
> Alan C Tue, 01 Sep 2015 06:11:44 -0700 wrote:
> 
> Interesting & well composed, but what are they? Paint colourant dispensers or 
> lipstick makers?
> 
> 
> Alan C
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Marco Alpert
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 5:59 AM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: PESO - 412
> 
> And now for something completely different (for me, at least):
> 
> http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo15/peso16.html
> 
> Comments, as always, welcomed.
> 
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Re: OT: Woo Hoo!


I bet Audi wish they had black boxes in the 80s...



I bet they wish they had handled the entire unintended acceleration issue 
differently...


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- Original Message - 
From: "Knarf" 

Subject: Re: OT: Woo Hoo!



I bet Audi wish they had black boxes in the 80s...

Cheers,

frank

On 1 September, 2015 2:11:57 PM EDT, Ken Waller  
wrote:

Self-driven cars will record all the variables that they monitor and
control, and there will be a blackbox >recorder like on a plane, which

will

be amenable to independent accident investigators, not to say lawyers,

so

>there will be nowhere for the manufacturers to hide.


So called 'blackboxes' have been in new cars for several years -
recording
among other things accelerator & brake pedal usage. The issue has
surfaced
as to who 'owns' the data - the car owner, law enforcement. In some
cases
I'm aware of it has taken a court order for outsiders to access the
data.

Black boxes are great in unintended acceleration cases especially where
the
driver states he was pressing the brake pedal when the data shown
otherwisw.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Bob W-PDML" 

Subject: Re: OT: Woo Hoo!



That case was nearly 50 years ago; since that time consumer power has



changed dramatically, and so has the availability of evidence.

Self-driven

cars will record all the variables that they monitor and control, and



there will be a blackbox recorder like on a plane, which will be

amenable

to independent accident investigators, not to say lawyers, so there

will

be nowhere for the manufacturers to hide.

They have no choice but to put safety before profit. The alternative

is no

more manufacturer.

Because of increased consumer power, thanks to people like Ralph

Nader who

was so vilified by so many Americans caught up in the corporate lie,
manufacturers are far quicker to recall products for much smaller

issues,

and in the case of software it will be far easier and cheaper to

correct

it than will ever be the case with hardware.

B



On 31 Aug 2015, at 21:30, John  wrote:

Do you remember the Ford Pinto with the faulty gas tanks?

http://www.autosafety.org/uploads/phpq3mJ7F_FordMemo.pdf

Do you think the manufacturers of self-driving cars will be any more
ethical? Will they put passenger safety ahead of profit?


On 8/31/2015 3:25 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

On 31 Aug 2015, at 20:10, John  wrote:

According to some, [...] those who deny that it is possible are
wrong.

http://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/

[...] The conspiracy folks [...]



Do you really, really think that the people who are designing this
stuff are not aware of the risks, and do not spend a lot of time

and

money thinking about this stuff, working through the possibilities
and the countermeasures? Have you any idea at all of the types of
people who are involved in designing and validating safety-critical
software?

Even so, it won't be perfect, but anyone who thinks that the risks

of

the imperfect software coupled with a bloody big Stop! button in
every car outweigh the benefits of saving upwards of 1,000,000

lives

per year lost as the result of human errors must be barking mad.



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Re: PESOs: Two composites, one day




Igor PDML-StR wrote:


Thank for that link, - those are very interesting images, indeed.

Motivated by your comment, I was further thinking about photographing
distant objects. And I think I realized why our "everyday experience"
tells us that it would be impossible.


Lick Observatory is easily visible with the naked eye from pretty much 
every place in the Santa Clara Valley, even forty miles away.  As a kid 
I would see the antenna on top of mount Umunhum rotating.  Jets fly 
overhead at an altitude of five miles.


Now consider that a 400mm lens is somewhere between 8 and 12 times the 
magnification of the naked eye, so 248 miles with a long lens is more 
like the equivalent of 25 miles with the naked eye. Actually, with that 
sort of cropping you need about 1500mm with a 24x36 sensor to fill the 
frame with either the Sun or the Moon.


So, yes, it's surprising until you think about it.



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Re: GESO - 'The Hawk & the Owl'


Thanks Bob, Ann,Marco, Daniel, Jack, David B., & Mark.

It was interesting & entertaining catching this event.

The thought never occurred to me to video it - DUH!

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From: "Bob W-PDML" 

Subject: Re: GESO - 'The Hawk & the Owl'



Superb!

B


On 31 Aug 2015, at 20:38, Ken Waller  wrote:

Caught an interesting situation where a Cooper's Hawk was annoyed by a 
plastic owl on a neighbors deck & spend 20 minutes trying to get the owl 
to leave - theowl never flew away!


A sequence of 7 images - click on each to enlarge.

K3, 300mm f4.5 FA handheld

http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=1083392

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Re: OT: Woo Hoo!

I bet Audi wish they had black boxes in the 80s...

Cheers,

frank

On 1 September, 2015 2:11:57 PM EDT, Ken Waller  wrote:
>>Self-driven cars will record all the variables that they monitor and 
>>control, and there will be a blackbox >recorder like on a plane, which
>will 
>>be amenable to independent accident investigators, not to say lawyers,
>so 
>> >there will be nowhere for the manufacturers to hide.
>
>So called 'blackboxes' have been in new cars for several years -
>recording 
>among other things accelerator & brake pedal usage. The issue has
>surfaced 
>as to who 'owns' the data - the car owner, law enforcement. In some
>cases 
>I'm aware of it has taken a court order for outsiders to access the
>data.
>
>Black boxes are great in unintended acceleration cases especially where
>the 
>driver states he was pressing the brake pedal when the data shown
>otherwisw.
>
>Kenneth Waller
>http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Bob W-PDML" 
>Subject: Re: OT: Woo Hoo!
>
>
>> That case was nearly 50 years ago; since that time consumer power has
>
>> changed dramatically, and so has the availability of evidence.
>Self-driven 
>> cars will record all the variables that they monitor and control, and
>
>> there will be a blackbox recorder like on a plane, which will be
>amenable 
>> to independent accident investigators, not to say lawyers, so there
>will 
>> be nowhere for the manufacturers to hide.
>>
>> They have no choice but to put safety before profit. The alternative
>is no 
>> more manufacturer.
>>
>> Because of increased consumer power, thanks to people like Ralph
>Nader who 
>> was so vilified by so many Americans caught up in the corporate lie, 
>> manufacturers are far quicker to recall products for much smaller
>issues, 
>> and in the case of software it will be far easier and cheaper to
>correct 
>> it than will ever be the case with hardware.
>>
>> B
>>
>>
>>> On 31 Aug 2015, at 21:30, John  wrote:
>>>
>>> Do you remember the Ford Pinto with the faulty gas tanks?
>>>
>>> http://www.autosafety.org/uploads/phpq3mJ7F_FordMemo.pdf
>>>
>>> Do you think the manufacturers of self-driving cars will be any more
>>> ethical? Will they put passenger safety ahead of profit?
>>>
 On 8/31/2015 3:25 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
> On 31 Aug 2015, at 20:10, John  wrote:
>
> According to some, [...] those who deny that it is possible are
> wrong.
>
> http://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/
>
> [...] The conspiracy folks [...]
>

 Do you really, really think that the people who are designing this
 stuff are not aware of the risks, and do not spend a lot of time
>and
 money thinking about this stuff, working through the possibilities
 and the countermeasures? Have you any idea at all of the types of
 people who are involved in designing and validating safety-critical
 software?

 Even so, it won't be perfect, but anyone who thinks that the risks
>of
 the imperfect software coupled with a bloody big Stop! button in
 every car outweigh the benefits of saving upwards of 1,000,000
>lives
 per year lost as the result of human errors must be barking mad.

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Re: OT: Woo Hoo!

Self-driven cars will record all the variables that they monitor and 
control, and there will be a blackbox >recorder like on a plane, which will 
be amenable to independent accident investigators, not to say lawyers, so 
>there will be nowhere for the manufacturers to hide.


So called 'blackboxes' have been in new cars for several years - recording 
among other things accelerator & brake pedal usage. The issue has surfaced 
as to who 'owns' the data - the car owner, law enforcement. In some cases 
I'm aware of it has taken a court order for outsiders to access the data.


Black boxes are great in unintended acceleration cases especially where the 
driver states he was pressing the brake pedal when the data shown otherwisw.


Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Bob W-PDML" 

Subject: Re: OT: Woo Hoo!


That case was nearly 50 years ago; since that time consumer power has 
changed dramatically, and so has the availability of evidence. Self-driven 
cars will record all the variables that they monitor and control, and 
there will be a blackbox recorder like on a plane, which will be amenable 
to independent accident investigators, not to say lawyers, so there will 
be nowhere for the manufacturers to hide.


They have no choice but to put safety before profit. The alternative is no 
more manufacturer.


Because of increased consumer power, thanks to people like Ralph Nader who 
was so vilified by so many Americans caught up in the corporate lie, 
manufacturers are far quicker to recall products for much smaller issues, 
and in the case of software it will be far easier and cheaper to correct 
it than will ever be the case with hardware.


B



On 31 Aug 2015, at 21:30, John  wrote:

Do you remember the Ford Pinto with the faulty gas tanks?

http://www.autosafety.org/uploads/phpq3mJ7F_FordMemo.pdf

Do you think the manufacturers of self-driving cars will be any more
ethical? Will they put passenger safety ahead of profit?


On 8/31/2015 3:25 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

On 31 Aug 2015, at 20:10, John  wrote:

According to some, [...] those who deny that it is possible are
wrong.

http://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/

[...] The conspiracy folks [...]



Do you really, really think that the people who are designing this
stuff are not aware of the risks, and do not spend a lot of time and
money thinking about this stuff, working through the possibilities
and the countermeasures? Have you any idea at all of the types of
people who are involved in designing and validating safety-critical
software?

Even so, it won't be perfect, but anyone who thinks that the risks of
the imperfect software coupled with a bloody big Stop! button in
every car outweigh the benefits of saving upwards of 1,000,000 lives
per year lost as the result of human errors must be barking mad.



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Re: PESO - Exuviae

2015-09-01 Thread Steve Cottrell

On 31/8/15, Mark C, discombobulated, unleashed:

>http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/exuviae
>
>Not super high magnification but it was a large subject and so called 
>for 271 stacked images. K01, A* 200 f4 macro. Comments welcome.

Great job Mark! Amazing detail

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Re: PESOs: Two composites, one day

2015-09-01 Thread Steve Cottrell

On 31/8/15, Matthew Hunt, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Usually I don't rely on the motor drive, or Photoshop, quite so much.
>
>Saturday morning, I shot a solar transit of the International Space
>Station. The transit lasted 0.8 seconds, and the K-5 II fires at full
>speed for about 3 seconds when shooting raw, so it was important to
>start at the right time. The path on the earth where transit is
>visible is about 7 km wide, so it's definitely a "right place, right
>time" kind of shot.
>
>https://abattoir5.com/picture.php?/807/recent_pics

Wy! Excellent!!

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Re: 1.7x AF adapter (follow up)

2015-09-01 Thread Alan C

Well, I got it for the equivalent of US$75 on a local web auction. I left it 
until 2min before closing time & was the only bidder. Not too much interest 
in old Pentax stuff in SA. The seller was aware of the "indicative market 
value" which was listed as R5000 (US$375). It was described as "like new, in 
original packaging" so it may well never have been used. Unfortunately I had 
no opportunity to examine or test it so will have to wait until next week 
when my new toy arrives.


Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Darren Addy

Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 8:32 PM
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Subject: Re: !.7x AF adapter

Look at it VERY CLOSELY for micro-bubbles indicating compound lens
separation. Had one that looked fine looking straight through it, but
on closer examination and tilting at JUST the right angle I could see
them. Explained why the images from it looked like CRAP.
If you get a chance to test it, us a long-ish lens 300mm, if possible.

Is the seller an idiot/clueless? If so, it may be a good deal. If not,
things that sound too good to be true may actually be too good to be
true.

On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Alan C  wrote:

I can possibly get a Pentax 1.7x AF adapter for R1000 ($70). Is it worth
while? The reviews I have read give very differing opinions. Apart from 
the

AF, how good are the optics?

Alan C

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Re: PESOs: Two composites, one day

2015-09-01 Thread Alan C

Amazing. You really nailed it (the transit, that is). Love the dog shot(s) 
too.


Alan C

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Usually I don't rely on the motor drive, or Photoshop, quite so much.

Saturday morning, I shot a solar transit of the International Space
Station. The transit lasted 0.8 seconds, and the K-5 II fires at full
speed for about 3 seconds when shooting raw, so it was important to
start at the right time. The path on the earth where transit is
visible is about 7 km wide, so it's definitely a "right place, right
time" kind of shot.

https://abattoir5.com/picture.php?/807/recent_pics

In the afternoon, my wife hosted a training event at our place for
dock-diving dogs.

https://abattoir5.com/picture.php?/808/recent_pics

(That's not my wife pictured--this woman, Susan, drove at least a
couple of hours, and it was the first "public" event for her dog.)

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Re: PESO - Mike, Jeremy and Some Guy Riding Through

2015-09-01 Thread paul stenquist

A nice moment, well recorded.

Paul
> On Sep 1, 2015, at 9:02 PM, frank theriault  wrote:
> 
> Actually, the guy's name is Aaron, but I started off taking a photo of
> Mike and Jeremy enjoying a few between-stunt laughs and Aaron coasted
> through the frame. I thought it was kind of fun:
> 
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2015/09/mike-jeremy-and-some-guy-riding-through.html
> 
> Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome.
> 
> cheers,
> 
> frank
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Re: PESO: The Bravest

2015-09-01 Thread Marco Alpert

Great shot! I can just hear the guy on the right, “Is that just the cutest 
kitten you’ve ever seen?”

- Marco

On Sep 1, 2015, at 3:01 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:

> New York's Bravest relaxing on the street after a building evacuation
> in mid-town Manhattan:
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18079203=lg
> K-5 II S, DA 18-135 zoom
> Comments are always appreciated.
> 
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Re: OT: Woo Hoo!

Along similar lines, there's a great book out about similar issues - 'Galileo's 
Revenge' - Junk Science in the Courtroom.
A great read into some of the more sensational issues regarding junk science 
which was what 60 minutes and Bill Rosenbluth used on Audi.


-Original Message-
>From: Knarf 
>Subject: Re: OT: Woo Hoo!
>
>How 60 Minutes didn't get sued is beyond me. Their little "dramatization" was 
>not only staged but it didn't depict the situation accurately. 
>
>Cheers,
>
>frank
>
>On 1 September, 2015 4:15:39 PM EDT, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>
>>
>>Ken Waller wrote:
 I bet Audi wish they had black boxes in the 80s...
>>>
>>>
>>> I bet they wish they had handled the entire unintended acceleration
>>> issue differently...
>>
>>Sixty minutes sure did a hack job on them.



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Re: PESO: The Bravest

Well captured Dan.


-Original Message-
>From: "Daniel J. Matyola" 
>Subject: PESO: The Bravest
>
>New York's Bravest relaxing on the street after a building evacuation
>in mid-town Manhattan:
>http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18079203=lg
>K-5 II S, DA 18-135 zoom
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Re: August "best of", and some photos of me having fun (redux)




Mark Roberts wrote:

Ken Waller wrote:


I've said this before on this list - serious editing is the easiest way to 
improve your images.


Yep. The delete key makes all your other photos better.


Automark.





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Re: GESO - 'The Hawk & the Owl'

2015-09-01 Thread frank theriault

Terrific series - love it!

cheers,

frank

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> Caught an interesting situation where a Cooper's Hawk was annoyed by a
> plastic owl on a neighbors deck & spend 20 minutes trying to get the owl to
> leave - theowl never flew away!
>
> A sequence of 7 images - click on each to enlarge.
>
> K3, 300mm f4.5 FA handheld
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=1083392
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Re: August "best of", and some photos of me having fun (redux)

2015-09-01 Thread Mark Roberts

Ken Waller wrote:

>I've said this before on this list - serious editing is the easiest way to 
>improve your images.

Yep. The delete key makes all your other photos better.
 
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PESO - Mike, Jeremy and Some Guy Riding Through

2015-09-01 Thread frank theriault

Actually, the guy's name is Aaron, but I started off taking a photo of
Mike and Jeremy enjoying a few between-stunt laughs and Aaron coasted
through the frame. I thought it was kind of fun:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2015/09/mike-jeremy-and-some-guy-riding-through.html

Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome.

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Re: GESO - 'The Hawk & the Owl'

2015-09-01 Thread paul stenquist

Excellent series. I’m surprised the hawk was that easily fooled. Well done!
Paul
> On Sep 1, 2015, at 8:58 PM, frank theriault  wrote:
> 
> Terrific series - love it!
> 
> cheers,
> 
> frank
> 
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
>> Caught an interesting situation where a Cooper's Hawk was annoyed by a
>> plastic owl on a neighbors deck & spend 20 minutes trying to get the owl to
>> leave - the owl never flew away!
>> 
>> A sequence of 7 images - click on each to enlarge.
>> 
>> K3, 300mm f4.5 FA handheld
>> 
>> http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=1083392
>> 
>> Comments appreciated.
>> 
>> 
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
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Re: GESO - 'The Hawk & the Owl'


Awesome job

Ken Waller wrote:

Thanks Bob, Ann,Marco, Daniel, Jack, David B., & Mark.

It was interesting & entertaining catching this event.

The thought never occurred to me to video it - DUH!

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- Original Message - From: "Bob W-PDML" 
Subject: Re: GESO - 'The Hawk & the Owl'



Superb!

B


On 31 Aug 2015, at 20:38, Ken Waller  wrote:

Caught an interesting situation where a Cooper's Hawk was annoyed by
a plastic owl on a neighbors deck & spend 20 minutes trying to get
the owl to leave - theowl never flew away!

A sequence of 7 images - click on each to enlarge.

K3, 300mm f4.5 FA handheld

http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=1083392

Comments appreciated.





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Re: August "best of", and some photos of me having fun (redux)

That is a wonderful gallery, Larry.  I envy not only the quality of
your images but the number of top images you grind out each month.
Dan Matyola
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> inbox or my sent folder of it.
>
> Here's my August "best of" set.  Meteors, cars and my back yard:
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157656726691360/
>
> Here are a couple sets (should be visible even without a facebook account)
> of me having the sort of fun I haven't had in far too long.
>
> Last Thursday near Willows California:
> https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10153677957779673.1073742073.653299672=1=98a25ac106
>
> Last Sunday near Monterey:
> https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10153686751424673.1073742077.653299672=1=aec62f5eb8
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Re: August "best of", and some photos of me having fun (redux)

Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

That is a wonderful gallery, Larry. I envy not only the quality of
your images but the number of top images you grind out each month.

Thanks for the kind words Dan. I think that I'm just getting better at throwing
away more of the photos that shouldn't be posted. My set this month is more for
photos that have significance for being fun rather than worth submitting to the
annual next year. But I'm really glad you like them.

Larry

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On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

I tried sending this an hour or so ago, but see no evidence either in my
inbox or my sent folder of it.

Here's my August "best of" set. Meteors, cars and my back yard:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157656726691360/

Here are a couple sets (should be visible even without a facebook account)
of me having the sort of fun I haven't had in far too long.

Last Thursday near Willows California:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10153677957779673.1073742073.653299672=1=98a25ac106

Last Sunday near Monterey:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10153686751424673.1073742077.653299672=1=aec62f5eb8

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Re: OT: Woo Hoo!

LOL

On 1 September, 2015 2:36:52 PM EDT, Ken Waller  wrote:
>>I bet Audi wish they had black boxes in the 80s...
>
>
>I bet they wish they had handled the entire unintended acceleration
>issue 
>differently...
>
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>- Original Message - 
>From: "Knarf" 
>Subject: Re: OT: Woo Hoo!
>
>
>>I bet Audi wish they had black boxes in the 80s...
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> frank
>>
>> On 1 September, 2015 2:11:57 PM EDT, Ken Waller
> 
>> wrote:
Self-driven cars will record all the variables that they monitor and
control, and there will be a blackbox >recorder like on a plane,
>which
>>>will
be amenable to independent accident investigators, not to say
>lawyers,
>>>so
 >there will be nowhere for the manufacturers to hide.
>>>
>>>So called 'blackboxes' have been in new cars for several years -
>>>recording
>>>among other things accelerator & brake pedal usage. The issue has
>>>surfaced
>>>as to who 'owns' the data - the car owner, law enforcement. In some
>>>cases
>>>I'm aware of it has taken a court order for outsiders to access the
>>>data.
>>>
>>>Black boxes are great in unintended acceleration cases especially
>where
>>>the
>>>driver states he was pressing the brake pedal when the data shown
>>>otherwisw.
>>>
>>>Kenneth Waller
>>>http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>>>
>>>- Original Message - 
>>>From: "Bob W-PDML" 
>>>Subject: Re: OT: Woo Hoo!
>>>
>>>
 That case was nearly 50 years ago; since that time consumer power
>has
>>>
 changed dramatically, and so has the availability of evidence.
>>>Self-driven
 cars will record all the variables that they monitor and control,
>and
>>>
 there will be a blackbox recorder like on a plane, which will be
>>>amenable
 to independent accident investigators, not to say lawyers, so there
>>>will
 be nowhere for the manufacturers to hide.

 They have no choice but to put safety before profit. The
>alternative
>>>is no
 more manufacturer.

 Because of increased consumer power, thanks to people like Ralph
>>>Nader who
 was so vilified by so many Americans caught up in the corporate
>lie,
 manufacturers are far quicker to recall products for much smaller
>>>issues,
 and in the case of software it will be far easier and cheaper to
>>>correct
 it than will ever be the case with hardware.

 B


> On 31 Aug 2015, at 21:30, John  wrote:
>
> Do you remember the Ford Pinto with the faulty gas tanks?
>
> http://www.autosafety.org/uploads/phpq3mJ7F_FordMemo.pdf
>
> Do you think the manufacturers of self-driving cars will be any
>more
> ethical? Will they put passenger safety ahead of profit?
>
>> On 8/31/2015 3:25 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
>>> On 31 Aug 2015, at 20:10, John  wrote:
>>>
>>> According to some, [...] those who deny that it is possible are
>>> wrong.
>>>
>>> http://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/
>>>
>>> [...] The conspiracy folks [...]
>>>
>>
>> Do you really, really think that the people who are designing
>this
>> stuff are not aware of the risks, and do not spend a lot of time
>>>and
>> money thinking about this stuff, working through the
>possibilities
>> and the countermeasures? Have you any idea at all of the types of
>> people who are involved in designing and validating
>safety-critical
>> software?
>>
>> Even so, it won't be perfect, but anyone who thinks that the
>risks
>>>of
>> the imperfect software coupled with a bloody big Stop! button in
>> every car outweigh the benefits of saving upwards of 1,000,000
>>>lives
>> per year lost as the result of human errors must be barking mad.

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August "best of", and some photos of me having fun (redux)

I tried sending this an hour or so ago, but see no evidence either in my 
inbox or my sent folder of it.


Here's my August "best of" set.  Meteors, cars and my back yard:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157656726691360/

Here are a couple sets (should be visible even without a facebook 
account) of me having the sort of fun I haven't had in far too long.


Last Thursday near Willows California:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10153677957779673.1073742073.653299672=1=98a25ac106

Last Sunday near Monterey:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10153686751424673.1073742077.653299672=1=aec62f5eb8


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Re: OT: Woo Hoo!




Ken Waller wrote:

I bet Audi wish they had black boxes in the 80s...



I bet they wish they had handled the entire unintended acceleration
issue differently...


Sixty minutes sure did a hack job on them.




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Re: PESO: The Bravest

GREAT shot!!

Love it.

Cheers,

frank

On 1 September, 2015 6:01:57 PM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola"  
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>New York's Bravest relaxing on the street after a building evacuation
>in mid-town Manhattan:
>http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18079203=lg
>K-5 II S, DA 18-135 zoom
>Comments are always appreciated.
>
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Re: PESO: The Bravest

Thanks, Frank.
Dan Matyola
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On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 6:03 PM, Knarf  wrote:
> GREAT shot!!
>
> Love it.
>
> Cheers,
>
> frank
>
> On 1 September, 2015 6:01:57 PM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola" 
>  wrote:
>>New York's Bravest relaxing on the street after a building evacuation
>>in mid-town Manhattan:
>>http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18079203=lg
>>K-5 II S, DA 18-135 zoom
>>Comments are always appreciated.
>>
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>>http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
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PESO: The Bravest

New York's Bravest relaxing on the street after a building evacuation
in mid-town Manhattan:
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K-5 II S, DA 18-135 zoom
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Re: OT: Woo Hoo!

How 60 Minutes didn't get sued is beyond me. Their little "dramatization" was 
not only staged but it didn't depict the situation accurately. 

Cheers,

frank

On 1 September, 2015 4:15:39 PM EDT, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
>
>Ken Waller wrote:
>>> I bet Audi wish they had black boxes in the 80s...
>>
>>
>> I bet they wish they had handled the entire unintended acceleration
>> issue differently...
>
>Sixty minutes sure did a hack job on them.

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Re: PESO - 412

2015-09-01 Thread ann sanfedele

I think it's mascara.. (after I picked myself up off the floor...) maybe 
arranged for a

product test? (hence numbers instead of a name )

ann

On 9/1/2015 9:13 AM, Rick Womer wrote:

Color?? Marco??!? Why, that's as alarming as Frank posting his first
"Kolor" pic a few years ago.

Very nicely composed, very intriguing. What is it?

Rick
http://photo.net/photos/RickW


On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 9:03 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:

It certainly is different -- and quite interesting.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 11:59 PM, Marco Alpert  wrote:

And now for something completely different (for me, at least):

http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo15/peso16.html

Comments, as always, welcomed.

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Re: August "best of", and some photos of me having fun (redux)


I've said this before on this list - serious editing is the easiest way to 
improve your images.

-Original Message-
>From: Larry Colen 
>Subject: Re: August "best of", and some photos of me having fun (redux)
>
>
>
>Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>> That is a wonderful gallery, Larry.  I envy not only the quality of
>> your images but the number of top images you grind out each month.
>
>Thanks for the kind words Dan. I think that I'm just getting better at 
>throwing away more of the photos that shouldn't be posted. My set this month 
>is more for photos that have significance for being fun rather than worth 
>submitting to the annual next year. But I'm really glad you like them.
>
>   Larry
>
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>> I tried sending this an hour or so ago, but see no evidence either in my
>>> inbox or my sent folder of it.
>>>
>>> Here's my August "best of" set.  Meteors, cars and my back yard:
>>> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157656726691360/
>>>
>>> Here are a couple sets (should be visible even without a facebook account)
>>> of me having the sort of fun I haven't had in far too long.
>>>
>>> Last Thursday near Willows California:
>>> https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10153677957779673.1073742073.653299672=1=98a25ac106
>>>
>>> Last Sunday near Monterey:
>>> https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10153686751424673.1073742077.653299672=1=aec62f5eb8
>>>
>>>
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RE: Enablement of an older kind.

2015-09-01 Thread Malcolm Smith

John Coyle wrote:

> Old it may be, but my *ist-D still knocks out perfectly good A4 size
> prints if needed, and still mainly works as designed.  I can no longer
> zoom into a frame on the LCD screen, but otherwise everything works as
> well as it did when brand new.
> It was such a ground-breaker for Pentax - both former PDML-er Ryan and
> I both bought two, and while Ryan now shoots with the dark side, I
> think he enjoyed the camera for some while.  I eventually sold my
> second *ist-D to another former PDML-er, Tanya, who used it to start
> her now very successful professional career.
> What with owning an SV for 7 years ( and now owning another which I
> still use from time to time), two ME's for 13 years, and  recently
> shooting mainly with my now 17-years old MZ-S, I have great respect for
> the quality of Pentax camera design and manufacture.

Brian Walters wrote:

>I got an *ist D a few years ago from Mark C to replace my *ist DS when it
died - well, it didn't actually die. The shutter release button stopped
working but I could still >use the camera by plugging in a cable remote.
Anyway - I never really warmed to the D, fine camera that it was (is),
mainly because the menu structure was so different to >that in the DS.  I
eventually got the DS repaired and I occasionally fire up both cameras just
for old time's sake.
>In my case the '*' stands for 'masoch'.

I'm amazed when I put the *ist D and the K3 side by side. I remember all the
discussions here about the potential launch of a Pentax DSLR, the run up to
the first sales and the conversations thereafter. Would digital cameras last
- durability (I think we're OK with that now)? Would they get updated every
other week? Would prices go up or down? Would old digital cameras become
worthless?

I think the K-3 II is on sale over here at around £749 right now, and the
*ist D was c.£1200 on launch. They do get updated, although not every week,
and it has to be said in real terms prices have dropped significantly and
DSLR technology has gone through the roof. Early cameras aren't worth a lot
even in good order, although I wonder in time if they will become
collectable, in the same way film cameras are (and have remained items of
value for nice examples).

The biggest surprise is that in 2015, the *ist D is still a useful camera.
We moaned about how long Pentax were dragging their feet to launch a DSLR
but we weren't disappointed with what hit the stores. I hope the FF camera
has a similar welcome later this year and is a success, even though I don't
intend to buy one immediately.

I'm going with photographer-ist. Two can play at silly names.

Malcolm

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Re: PESOs: Two composites, one day

2015-09-01 Thread Toine

The Transit: Wow!

On 1 September 2015 at 09:29, Alan C  wrote:
> Amazing. You really nailed it (the transit, that is). Love the dog shot(s)
> too.
>
> Alan C
>
> -Original Message- From: Matthew Hunt
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> Subject: PESOs: Two composites, one day
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> Usually I don't rely on the motor drive, or Photoshop, quite so much.
>
> Saturday morning, I shot a solar transit of the International Space
> Station. The transit lasted 0.8 seconds, and the K-5 II fires at full
> speed for about 3 seconds when shooting raw, so it was important to
> start at the right time. The path on the earth where transit is
> visible is about 7 km wide, so it's definitely a "right place, right
> time" kind of shot.
>
> https://abattoir5.com/picture.php?/807/recent_pics
>
> In the afternoon, my wife hosted a training event at our place for
> dock-diving dogs.
>
> https://abattoir5.com/picture.php?/808/recent_pics
>
> (That's not my wife pictured--this woman, Susan, drove at least a
> couple of hours, and it was the first "public" event for her dog.)
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Re: PESO- Mr. Eighth Street

This really shows that it was in your comfort zone.

By the way what is the little platform at our left?
Isn't that dangerous for the cyclists?

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2015-09-01 4:00 GMT+03:00 frank theriault :
> When one is in the photographic doldrums, shoot something familiar.
> Just shoot to get the shutter finger popping.
>
> So I went to Eighth Street Skate Park in hopes that some of my young
> BMX friends would be there, and so they were.
>
> Here's Jeremy:
>
> http://mondociclismo.blogspot.ca/2015/08/mr-eighth-street.html
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> Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.
>
> cheers,
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Re: PESO ~ new life

She looks like a contemporary Kybele (Cybele)!

... and her proud looks !!!

Image:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybele#/media/File:Ankara_Muzeum_B19-36.jpg

Text:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybele

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2015-08-31 23:35 GMT+03:00 Bruce Walker :
> Anonymous by request. Teensy bit nsfw.
>
> http://off-axis.brucemwalker.com/image/128038736602
>
> Objectification, Frank? :)
>
> 645z, DFA645 55mm f:2.8 SDM, f/8.0, 1/125th sec, 100 ISO
> Paul Buff Einstein strobe with gridded 5 foot strip box, camera-right
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Re: PESOs: Two composites, one day

2015-09-01 Thread Matthew Hunt

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 10:56 PM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:

> Seeing the ISS like that, with some recognizable shape is sort of unreal... I 
> wouldn't have expected that would be possible.
> It's sooo cool!

Yeah, on the one hand, when the ISS is directly overhead, it's ~400 km
up, which is kind of surprisingly close. I think of space as "far
away," but the distance is one I could drive in a few hours. On the
other hand, if I imagine photographing something man-made from that
distance, it is kind of surprising that the shape would be
recognizable.

For those who have not seen his work, Thierry Legault is a master of
this kind of photography. His expertise, equipment, and ability to
travel far exceed mine:
http://www.astrophoto.fr/

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Re: PESO: Red Chinese Redux

Thanks, Mark and Ken!

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On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 9:37 PM, Mark C  wrote:
> Your post work really takes it to the next level - great shot!
>
> On 8/31/2015 9:44 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>
>> I posted an earlier version of this Chinese woman with red hair taking
>> smartphone images in the forbidden city, but the background was
>> cluttered and distracting.  I therefore cropped it a bit and cloned
>> out some of the bystanders to focus on her more directly:
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18077940=lg
>> K-5 II S, DA 18-135 zoom
>> Comments are appreciated.
>>
>> Dan Matyola
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Re: PESOs: Two composites, one day

Both really cool.
I enjoyed looking at them very much.
I must say use of PS is certainly justified in these occasions.

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2015-09-01 5:22 GMT+03:00 Matthew Hunt :
> Usually I don't rely on the motor drive, or Photoshop, quite so much.
>
> Saturday morning, I shot a solar transit of the International Space
> Station. The transit lasted 0.8 seconds, and the K-5 II fires at full
> speed for about 3 seconds when shooting raw, so it was important to
> start at the right time. The path on the earth where transit is
> visible is about 7 km wide, so it's definitely a "right place, right
> time" kind of shot.
>
> https://abattoir5.com/picture.php?/807/recent_pics
>
> In the afternoon, my wife hosted a training event at our place for
> dock-diving dogs.
>
> https://abattoir5.com/picture.php?/808/recent_pics
>
> (That's not my wife pictured--this woman, Susan, drove at least a
> couple of hours, and it was the first "public" event for her dog.)
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Re: PESO - Mike Gets Good Air

Wow!  That certainly is good air.

Well timed and captured.

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On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 10:21 PM, Knarf  wrote:
> Not entirely happy with this one. That sky: yuck!
>
> But I think I caught Mike nicely:
>
> http://mondociclismo.blogspot.ca/2015/08/mike-gets-good-air.html?m=1
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> Comments welcome. Hope you enjoy.
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> Cheers,
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Re: PESO: The Bravest

Thanks, Marco and Ken.

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On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> Well captured Dan.
>
>
> -Original Message-
>>From: "Daniel J. Matyola" 
>>Subject: PESO: The Bravest
>>
>>New York's Bravest relaxing on the street after a building evacuation
>>in mid-town Manhattan:
>>http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18079203=lg
>>K-5 II S, DA 18-135 zoom
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Re: OT: Woo Hoo!

2015-09-01 Thread John


That was kind of my point, that most of the support U.S. companies have
been criticized for giving Hitler happened before the war.

The companies profited from their German subsidiaries in the period
between when Britain, France & Germany went to war, but once the U.S.
entered the war, they had no actual control over the German subsidiaries.

They did kind of gloss over how the German subsidiaries had made profits
the U.S. companies collected after the war was over.

On 9/1/2015 9:18 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Much of this of course was in the mid 1930s  when the world was still
not sure what to think of Hitler. The British were initially
supportive as well, and companies from around the world traded with
Germany.

Paul via phone


On Sep 1, 2015, at 9:05 AM, Daniel J. Matyola
 wrote:


On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 11:03 PM, John 
wrote: US Steel, Ford, General Motors and IBM were all investors
in Germany


And Joe Kennedy Sr was one of Germany's greatest admirers.


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Re: PESOs: Two composites, one day

2015-09-01 Thread Igor PDML-StR



Thank for that link, - those are very interesting images, indeed.

Motivated by your comment, I was further thinking about photographing 
distant objects. And I think I realized why our "everyday experience"

tells us that it would be impossible.

Indeed, 400 km (248 miles) is close to the distance from 
NYC to Washington DC (~220 miles) and NYC- Boston (~200 miles).
But you wouldn't imagine about photographing details of the Empire State 
Building from the Capitol Hill or Old Post Office Building (DC), or from 
John Hancock Tower (Boston).
The reason is ... the Earth curvature... If the Earth were flat, we 
should've been able to do that...


The horizon from the adult's eye level is just at about 3 miles (4.7 km)
And from 1454 feet (443 m) - The tip of the Empire State building, it is 
about 47 miles.



I suspect that this is the reason for our deceived intuition.

In addition to that, the air is cleaner in the higher atmosphere (and also 
less dense) than near the ground level, especially around the big cities.



Igor



 Matthew Hunt Tue, 01 Sep 2015 05:03:52 -0700 wrote:

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 10:56 PM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:


Seeing the ISS like that, with some recognizable shape is sort of 
unreal... I wouldn't have expected that would be possible.

It's sooo cool!


Yeah, on the one hand, when the ISS is directly overhead, it's ~400 km
up, which is kind of surprisingly close. I think of space as "far
away," but the distance is one I could drive in a few hours. On the
other hand, if I imagine photographing something man-made from that
distance, it is kind of surprising that the shape would be
recognizable.

For those who have not seen his work, Thierry Legault is a master of
this kind of photography. His expertise, equipment, and ability to
travel far exceed mine:
http://www.astrophoto.fr/


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Re: OT: Woo Hoo!

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 11:03 PM, John  wrote:
> US Steel, Ford, General Motors and IBM were all investors in Germany

And Joe Kennedy Sr was one of Germany's greatest admirers.


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Re: PESOs: Two composites, one day

Two great images, Matthew, well captured and rendered.

Dan Matyola
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On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 10:22 PM, Matthew Hunt  wrote:
> Usually I don't rely on the motor drive, or Photoshop, quite so much.
>
> Saturday morning, I shot a solar transit of the International Space
> Station. The transit lasted 0.8 seconds, and the K-5 II fires at full
> speed for about 3 seconds when shooting raw, so it was important to
> start at the right time. The path on the earth where transit is
> visible is about 7 km wide, so it's definitely a "right place, right
> time" kind of shot.
>
> https://abattoir5.com/picture.php?/807/recent_pics
>
> In the afternoon, my wife hosted a training event at our place for
> dock-diving dogs.
>
> https://abattoir5.com/picture.php?/808/recent_pics
>
> (That's not my wife pictured--this woman, Susan, drove at least a
> couple of hours, and it was the first "public" event for her dog.)
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Re: PESO - 412

2015-09-01 Thread Rick Womer

Color?? Marco??!? Why, that's as alarming as Frank posting his first
"Kolor" pic a few years ago.

Very nicely composed, very intriguing. What is it?

Rick
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On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 9:03 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> It certainly is different -- and quite interesting.
>
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> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 11:59 PM, Marco Alpert  wrote:
>> And now for something completely different (for me, at least):
>>
>> http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo15/peso16.html
>>
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Re: PESO - 412

2015-09-01 Thread Alan C

Interesting & well composed, but what are they? Paint colourant dispensers 
or lipstick makers?


Alan C

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Subject: PESO - 412

And now for something completely different (for me, at least):

http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo15/peso16.html

Comments, as always, welcomed.

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Re: PESO - 412

It certainly is different -- and quite interesting.

Dan Matyola
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On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 11:59 PM, Marco Alpert  wrote:
> And now for something completely different (for me, at least):
>
> http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo15/peso16.html
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Re: OT: Woo Hoo!

2015-09-01 Thread Paul Stenquist

Much of this of course was in the mid 1930s  when the world was still not sure 
what to think of Hitler. The British were initially supportive as well, and 
companies from around the world traded with Germany.

Paul via phone

> On Sep 1, 2015, at 9:05 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 11:03 PM, John  wrote:
>> US Steel, Ford, General Motors and IBM were all investors in Germany
> 
> And Joe Kennedy Sr was one of Germany's greatest admirers.
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Re: PESO - Exuviae