Re: Lion Kill (Rick)

[Bill]

On 11/12/2015 10:33 PM, Alan C wrote:

 On a lighter note, a
story about lion sightings in town was published in the local newspaper
to discourage ladies of the night from certain neighbourhoods.


I've been told that lions don't like Cougars in their territory.

bill


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Re: Hippos & Crocs (Bob W)

[Bob W-PDML]

The remarkable thing about RSA when I was there, in 1998 I think, was how cheap 
it was compared to the UK. We lived like royalty.

Ostrich is easily obtainable over here too - there are a few ostrich farms 
scattered about the place.

I don't eat meat any more. But you're right about the steak. We had a braai one 
evening in the camp where we stayed in Kruger NP and the steaks were colossal 
and extremely tasty, among the best I ever had.

You live in a really wonderful country.

B

> On 13 Nov 2015, at 04:35, Alan C  wrote:
> 
> A lot of restaurants offer cuisine like that but it is always rather 
> expensive. The tourists love it.  A good steak is to be had for half the 
> price. Ostrich has become quite popular & is readily available in 
> supermarkets. I see they have a hunter's pot too - a sort of game goulash.
> 
> Alan C
> 
> -Original Message- From: Bob W-PDML
> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 12:51 AM
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> Subject: Re: Peso: Hippos & Crocs
> 
> I went to a restaurant in Cape Town which had that sort of thing on the menu. 
> I had crocodile, kudu and, I think, zebra.
> 
> Crocodile tastes like frogs' legs, and vice versa. Kudu is very gamey - can't 
> remember the zebra, but I know I had 3 types of meat.
> 
> http://www.mamaafricarestaurant.co.za/menu
> 
> B
> 
>> On 12 Nov 2015, at 13:52, Jack Davis  wrote:
>> 
>> Well composed image, Alan!
>> The "hippos and crocks" title sounds like it
>> could be a dish on a menu. "believe I'll have the hippos and crocks."
>> Well it's early morning here. :/
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Alan C" 
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 4:51:50 AM
>> Subject: Peso: Hippos & Crocs
>> 
>> If you ever wanted to be knee deep in crocodiles, this is the place to be.
>> Hippos & crocs basking in the midday sun - Olifants river
>> 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/22344609093/
>> 
>> Scroll to see a view of the river at it's current very low level - hardly
>> flowing, mostly pools.
>> 
>> K7 with the HD 55-300.
>> 
>> Alan C
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Re: PESO - Gales of November

[ann sanfedele]

WOw - those are stunners, Mark!

ann

On 11/12/2015 7:05 PM, Mark C wrote:

Or today's gale:

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/the-gales-of-november-high 



or on flickr:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/22983427951

https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/22983428351

K3 and Sigma EX 70-200 f2.8 (first version). Winds were gusting to 
60mph so I shot hand held (the tripod would have just gotten blown 
around more). Comments welcome.


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Re: Lion Kill (Rick)

[Alan C]

Taken from the safety of a car looking down an embankment. Foot safaris with 
an armed ranger are available at a price. We still get lions passing through 
town. In recent years two horses & a refugee from Mozambique have succumbed. 
There was also an amazing case of a young black girl & her little brother 
found wandering in Kruger not far from here after their parents had been 
killed by lions. On a lighter note, a story about lion sightings in town was 
published in the local newspaper to discourage ladies of the night from 
certain neighbourhoods.


Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Rick Womer

Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 6:10 PM
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Subject: Re: PESO: Lion Kill

Alan, this is a very interesting and nicely done set. I trust that
this was a safari of some sort rather than your walk to work!

Cheers,

Rick
http://photo.net/photos/RickW


On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:

Special scene not many would run across.
Well caught!

J

- Original Message -
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Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 4:57:19 AM
Subject: PESO: Lion Kill

An old male sleeping in the shade after feasting on a young buffalo near
Satara Camp. The carcass has been ripped apart - looks like the 
hindquarters

above the head. Lions prefer the internal organs, esp. the heart & liver.
This old boy has been ejected from his pride by younger male(s). Scrool 
for

a close up of his head.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/22965751975/

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Re: Hippos & Crocs (Bob W)

[Alan C]

A lot of restaurants offer cuisine like that but it is always rather 
expensive. The tourists love it.  A good steak is to be had for half the 
price. Ostrich has become quite popular & is readily available in 
supermarkets. I see they have a hunter's pot too - a sort of game goulash.


Alan C

-Original Message- 
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Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 12:51 AM
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Subject: Re: Peso: Hippos & Crocs

I went to a restaurant in Cape Town which had that sort of thing on the 
menu. I had crocodile, kudu and, I think, zebra.


Crocodile tastes like frogs' legs, and vice versa. Kudu is very gamey - 
can't remember the zebra, but I know I had 3 types of meat.


http://www.mamaafricarestaurant.co.za/menu

B


On 12 Nov 2015, at 13:52, Jack Davis  wrote:

Well composed image, Alan!
The "hippos and crocks" title sounds like it
could be a dish on a menu. "believe I'll have the hippos and crocks."
Well it's early morning here. :/

J

- Original Message -
From: "Alan C" 
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Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 4:51:50 AM
Subject: Peso: Hippos & Crocs

If you ever wanted to be knee deep in crocodiles, this is the place to be.
Hippos & crocs basking in the midday sun - Olifants river

https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/22344609093/

Scroll to see a view of the river at it's current very low level - hardly
flowing, mostly pools.

K7 with the HD 55-300.

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Re: PESO - Gales of November

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Amazing shots, Mark. Looks frightening. I have never experienced anything 
like that.


Alan C

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Or today's gale:

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/the-gales-of-november-high

or on flickr:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/22983427951

https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/22983428351

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more). Comments welcome.

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Re: PESO - Gales of November

[Ken Waller]

Nice captures both Mark! Nice to see you time it right to capture the red 
light. There was live video on Fox TV this morning showing the wave action at 
the Grand Haven lighthouse - reminded me of the ocean.


-Original Message-
>From: Rick Womer 
>Subject: Re: PESO - Gales of November
>
>Excellent, Mark!  I particularly like the first one for the richer color of 
>the lighthouse, the higher cloud of spray, and the waves washing over the pier.
>
>Makes me want to reach for my GoreTex jacket!
>
>Rick
>
>On Nov 12, 2015, at 7:05 PM, Mark C wrote:
>
>> Or today's gale:
>> 
>> http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/the-gales-of-november-high
>> 
>> or on flickr:
>> 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/22983427951
>> 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/22983428351
>> 
>> K3 and Sigma EX 70-200 f2.8 (first version). Winds were gusting to 60mph so 
>> I shot hand held (the tripod would have just gotten blown around more). 
>> Comments welcome.
>> 
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Re: Geso: Ellie Calf

[knarf]

What a cutie!

Wonderful series.

 Cheers,

frank 

On November 12, 2015 8:31:41 AM EST, Alan C  wrote:
>This young mite amused us with its trunk antics for a couple of minutes
>
>until mother intervened.
>
>https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/albums/72157660709111460
>
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Re: PESO - Gales of November

[knarf]

You are correct, but I was talking generally. Even when we get get strong 
southerlies we don't get action like Mark's photos. Ontario is small and 
shallow compared to Michigan. 

I can't imagine what Superior would have been like the day the Edmond 
Fitzgerald went down.

Cheers,

frank 

On November 12, 2015 10:31:33 PM EST, Rick Womer  wrote:
>Frank, you're on the windward shore. I'll bet the waves were just fine
>in Buffalo or Watertown!
>
>Rick
>
>On Nov 12, 2015, at 10:25 PM, knarf wrote:
>
>> You guys on Michigan get way better waves than we do. We've had 30
>mph winds today  (gusts over 40) - I'm about to ride for a few km along
>the Lake in the dark on my evening commute.
>> 
>> It'll be interesting but nothing like you had!
>> 
>> Impressive photos, Mark!
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> frank
>> 
>> On November 12, 2015 7:05:33 PM EST, Mark C 
>wrote:
>>> Or today's gale:
>>> 
>>>
>http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/the-gales-of-november-high
>>> 
>>> or on flickr:
>>> 
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/22983427951
>>> 
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/22983428351
>>> 
>>> K3 and Sigma EX 70-200 f2.8 (first version). Winds were gusting to
>>> 60mph 
>>> so I shot hand held (the tripod would have just gotten blown around 
>>> more). Comments welcome.
>>> 
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Re: Magnum - Square Print Sale!

[knarf]

Scrolling down that page is the most inspiring couple of minutes I've spent in 
a long, long time.

Thanks for sharing.

Cheers,

frank

On November 11, 2015 11:46:40 PM EST, Godfrey DiGiorgi  
wrote:
>If anyone is interested, Magnum is doing another limited time Square
>Print Sale. I bought a few the last round and they're terrific. Check
>them out on the website: 
>
>  http://store.magnumphotos.com/collections/square-prints-sale/
>
>The sale runs until this Friday, November 13. Prints are $100 each.
>There's a selection of about 60 or so to choose from. 
>
>enjoy,
>Godfrey

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Re: PESO - Gales of November

[Rick Womer]

Frank, you're on the windward shore. I'll bet the waves were just fine in 
Buffalo or Watertown!

Rick

On Nov 12, 2015, at 10:25 PM, knarf wrote:

> You guys on Michigan get way better waves than we do. We've had 30 mph winds 
> today  (gusts over 40) - I'm about to ride for a few km along the Lake in the 
> dark on my evening commute.
> 
> It'll be interesting but nothing like you had!
> 
> Impressive photos, Mark!
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> frank
> 
> On November 12, 2015 7:05:33 PM EST, Mark C  wrote:
>> Or today's gale:
>> 
>> http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/the-gales-of-november-high
>> 
>> or on flickr:
>> 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/22983427951
>> 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/22983428351
>> 
>> K3 and Sigma EX 70-200 f2.8 (first version). Winds were gusting to
>> 60mph 
>> so I shot hand held (the tripod would have just gotten blown around 
>> more). Comments welcome.
>> 
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Re: PESO - Gales of November

[Rick Womer]

Excellent, Mark!  I particularly like the first one for the richer color of the 
lighthouse, the higher cloud of spray, and the waves washing over the pier.

Makes me want to reach for my GoreTex jacket!

Rick

On Nov 12, 2015, at 7:05 PM, Mark C wrote:

> Or today's gale:
> 
> http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/the-gales-of-november-high
> 
> or on flickr:
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/22983427951
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/22983428351
> 
> K3 and Sigma EX 70-200 f2.8 (first version). Winds were gusting to 60mph so I 
> shot hand held (the tripod would have just gotten blown around more). 
> Comments welcome.
> 
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Re: PESO - Gales of November

[knarf]

You guys on Michigan get way better waves than we do. We've had 30 mph winds 
today  (gusts over 40) - I'm about to ride for a few km along the Lake in the 
dark on my evening commute.

It'll be interesting but nothing like you had!

Impressive photos, Mark!

Cheers,

frank

On November 12, 2015 7:05:33 PM EST, Mark C  wrote:
>Or today's gale:
>
>http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/the-gales-of-november-high
>
>or on flickr:
>
>https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/22983427951
>
>https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/22983428351
>
>K3 and Sigma EX 70-200 f2.8 (first version). Winds were gusting to
>60mph 
>so I shot hand held (the tripod would have just gotten blown around 
>more). Comments welcome.
>
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Re: PESO - Evening Reception

[knarf]

Great use of that wide lens.

Cheers, 

frank 

On November 12, 2015 9:46:37 PM EST, Rick Womer  wrote:
>In another part of the same museum:
>
>http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18125868&size=lg
>
>(K-5, DA 16-45)
>
>Comments appreciated.
>
>Rick

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PESO - Evening Reception

[Rick Womer]

In another part of the same museum:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18125868&size=lg

(K-5, DA 16-45)

Comments appreciated.

Rick




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Re: OT. newly found info

[Bill]

On 11/12/2015 4:42 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

It took some diving into googledom to find out that stuff. The manual
is at best an Ikea reject.:-)



Wait until you start dealing with the documentation they write for updates.

bill


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[OT] It's British and involves a cat, Star Trek and puns: It has "Cotty" written all over it.

[Mark Roberts]

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Re: Deleting folders from Lightroom navigator

[Stanley Halpin]

For me, subject-based folder organization is a nuisance at best and a major 
pain at worst. I still have several handfuls of folders from my first Optio, 
with names like Fall Colors or Ste Marteen. Which would be fine if that fall of 
2003 was the only time I ever shot fall colors, or if the spring of 2004 was to 
be my only visit ever to Ste Marteen. But when I revisit those subjects, do I 
throw those new images in the folders with the old? To me that doesn’t feel 
right.

Since those very early days as I became overwhelmed with the proliferation of 
folders and sub folders, I have switched to a calendar based system. Every year 
has a folder with twelve subfolders. Period.  If all else fails, I can look at 
the September & October subfolder if I want to find color. The images 
themselves are named with a date prefix in a format that is compatible with my 
computer’s way of thinking about dates. So if I ever for some reason needed to 
look at my images when not in LR,I can just sort my image files by Date and 
they will be in chronological order.

When I import to LR, I always not sometimes not occasionally but always apply 
broad keywords to the entire set I am importing. Always including the general 
area/region and often the town name.Time permitting after importing, and it 
usually does, I will go back through and key word subgroups of images with a 
bit more precision. I.e., not just Venice, but also Duosodoro. 

As I work on a set of images, from a trip or a time frame, I create a 
Collection or two to hold subsets of the images. Sometimes Smart Collections 
(e.g., all images shot between 9-18-2015 and 10-05-2015 with a rating of 2 
Stars or higher), sometimes subject based collections which I load by 
dragging-dropping selected images. 

All of this isn’t that much work, even for legacy images freshly imported. With 
scanned images, I name them according to the date they were taken. Or my best 
guess to that date.

So I have LR in front of me. If I want fall colors, I look at my set of 
Collections. Nope, haven’t done that one yet. OK, I’ll do a keyword search. 
Maybe narrow it down by looking for fall colors shots near home and those in 
Michigan’s U.P. I see I am getting mostly October shots; I’ll check September 
and November for a few years, just do a quick scroll through to see if there 
are some groupings of fall colors I didn’t properly keyword because I was 
paying more attention to some detail rather  than to the overall context. If I 
see some, I quickly keyword them, redo the search. All of this is very quick 
and easy and requires only a) a general sense of what events occurred when on 
the calendar, and b) a good but not necessarily compulsive keywording process.

stan

> On Nov 12, 2015, at 10:07 AM, Eric Weir  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Nov 11, 2015, at 2:57 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>> 
>> On 11 Nov 2015, at 12:50, Malcolm Smith  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>>> 
 Sorry if this doesn't answer your questions directly. Unraveling a
 slightly mucked up Lightroom catalog database takes time and
 persistence. You need to look at a lot of things, one at a time, to
 determine what the state of a particular catalog is and what files it
 is looking at. Always look from catalog to file system, and then the
 other way, to determine issues that need to be fixed.
>>> 
>>> It's so important to get Lightroom to set the catalogue database right from 
>>> the start. I thought I understood that, and I also thought that at least 
>>> the images I had from DSLRs were in a logical order. 
>>> 
>>> [...]
>>> 
>>> For someone organised, starting with Lightroom should be a big help, but if 
>>> you don't know what it is you want until you start, you have to live with 
>>> and correct the errors that you make!
>> 
>> My view, which I implemented from v0.n beta of LR because it is a sound 
>> general principle, is that you should not confuse the physical organisation 
>> (i.e. on the disk) and the logical organisation, in the catalogue. Therefore 
>> I have a completely flat unstructured set of photographs on disk, in one 
>> folder (but see below), and I use LR to catalogue it. That's the point of a 
>> catalogue - to make multiple independent groups independently of the 
>> physical organisation, so that they are easy to find and to view in 
>> different ways. Folder structures on disk are a 2nd-rate attempt to do 
>> something similar - you don't really need two ways to do it. Occam's law 
>> applies.
>> 
>> However, my installation of LR itself does create subfolders on the disk 
>> whose name is based on the file date, but I suspect I set it up this way 
>> while I was drunk, or perhaps it was the default setting, when I first got 
>> LR. It's unnecessary, but quieta non movere trumps Occam.
> 
> Listening to Malcolm and Bob, I realized that in fact I do have an organized 
> catalog, which I arrived at with the help of folks here, after I’d acquired 
> Lightroom but before I s

Re: PESO - Gales of November

[Darren Addy]

SUPER stuff, Mark!
Also loved the Gordon Lightfoot reference (even if it is his most
annoying song).

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Mark C  wrote:
> Or today's gale:
>
> http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/the-gales-of-november-high
>
> or on flickr:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/22983427951
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/22983428351
>
> K3 and Sigma EX 70-200 f2.8 (first version). Winds were gusting to 60mph so
> I shot hand held (the tripod would have just gotten blown around more).
> Comments welcome.
>
> Mark
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PESO - Gales of November

[Mark C]

Or today's gale:

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/the-gales-of-november-high

or on flickr:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/22983427951

https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/22983428351

K3 and Sigma EX 70-200 f2.8 (first version). Winds were gusting to 60mph 
so I shot hand held (the tripod would have just gotten blown around 
more). Comments welcome.


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Re: PESO - Self Portrait of a Confused Photographer

[Mark C]

Love the tonality, grain and geometry. I looked at the photo and thought 
"maybe I should give up on film and learn how to emulate it in digital" 
- and then noticed it was film shot!


Mark

On 11/10/2015 10:29 AM, Bulent Celasun wrote:

I may call it a figurative abstract, to make it still more confusing!

Anyway, consider it untitled, if you like!

Pentax 67, 165mm f/2.8 (at f/8), Fomapan ISO 100 film (on tripod).

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18125484


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Re: Lenses...

[Mark C]

I still have my 20-35 f4 and am waiting to see how it does on the FF 
digital. It is a great lens on film and lives in my film bag, where ti 
gets regular use. I never warmed to the focal range on the APS-C DSLR's.


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On 11/11/2015 11:54 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:
Every time I look at a photo I've taken with the FA 20-35mm f4.0, 
whether on film or digital, I can't help to thing why couldn't it be a 
limited sheathed in machined aluminum rather than plastic...





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Re: Geso: Ellie Calf

[Bob W-PDML]

Beautiful series.

B

> On 12 Nov 2015, at 13:32, Alan C  wrote:
> 
> This young mite amused us with its trunk antics for a couple of minutes until 
> mother intervened.
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/albums/72157660709111460
> 
> K7 with the HD 55-300
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Re: OT: For Frank

[Bob W-PDML]

Can't see the point of pedalling all that unnecessary weight round. Just ride a 
bike.

B

> On 12 Nov 2015, at 17:33, John  wrote:
> 
> A local startup in my old home town got some notice from the local PBS
> station. Someone sent me the link & I though Frank might find it
> interesting. And there are some other riders here
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3INj_7WVDQ8
> 
> The drawbacks - which I expect they're looking at addressing - it's not
> weather sealed & we get a LOT of rainy weather here in the winters.
> 
> Plus, there's not enough room for me to carry a guitar case in the back.
> And I couldn't stop anywhere along the way even if I could get the
> guitar in there, because there's no way to secure it.
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Re: Peso: Hippos & Crocs

[Bob W-PDML]

I went to a restaurant in Cape Town which had that sort of thing on the menu. I 
had crocodile, kudu and, I think, zebra.

Crocodile tastes like frogs' legs, and vice versa. Kudu is very gamey - can't 
remember the zebra, but I know I had 3 types of meat. 

http://www.mamaafricarestaurant.co.za/menu

B

> On 12 Nov 2015, at 13:52, Jack Davis  wrote:
> 
> Well composed image, Alan!
> The "hippos and crocks" title sounds like it
> could be a dish on a menu. "believe I'll have the hippos and crocks."
> Well it's early morning here. :/
> 
> J
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Alan C" 
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 4:51:50 AM
> Subject: Peso: Hippos & Crocs
> 
> If you ever wanted to be knee deep in crocodiles, this is the place to be. 
> Hippos & crocs basking in the midday sun - Olifants river
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/22344609093/
> 
> Scroll to see a view of the river at it's current very low level - hardly 
> flowing, mostly pools.
> 
> K7 with the HD 55-300.
> 
> Alan C 
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Re: OT. newly found info

[David J Brooks]

It took some diving into googledom to find out that stuff. The manual
is at best an Ikea reject.:-)

Dave

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> On 12/11/15, Steve Cottrell, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>More than that, it disables the AF assist lamp and the shutter noise.
>>These things are all turned on/off by a single long press on one button
>>the back. Easy.
>
> Just to be clear:
>
> You have a camera, you want the shutter sound louder or softer, or even
> different? Go into the menus and find the shutter sound pref, and select
> to taste.
>
> You want the AF assist lamp permanently on or off? Go into the menus and
> find the AF assist lamp pref, select accordingly.
>
> You want the flash enable or disabled? It's a manual pop-up flash. You
> don't want flash even if you pop it up? Go into the menus, find the
> pref, select your choice. If using fully auto then it may be on the X30
> the flash can pop up by itself -  it can't on my X20, it has to be
> manually popped up.
>
> BUT - These cameras benefit from an extra facility - a 'silent mode'.
> Really it should be called 'stealth mode'. If you find yourself in a
> situation where you want to be as quiet and unnoticed as possible while
> shooting, then a simple press-and-hold of one button ('DISP/
> BACK')enables this mode which disables the pop-up flash, turns off any
> shutter noise, and disables the AF assist lamp. To re-enable the camera
> as it was before, simply press and hold this button again. This means if
> you are shooting at a party with noise and fun, using flash etc, but
> then decide some candid shots would be nice without flash and
> distracting low-light AF assist lamp etc, one button means you can,
> instead of searching menus for these things individually. That's great design.
>
>
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RE: PESO ~ Portrait of a self-portrait

[Malcolm Smith]

John wrote:

> You don't have to have studio strobes to start with. In fact, it might
> be easier to learn what you need to learn with continuous lighting.
> When I was in school, we started with hot lights. Didn't get to strobes
> until the second year.
> 
> Nowadays, you don't even need the hot lights.
> 
> You can learn a lot using CFL bulbs & cheap clamp-on fixtures. Learn to
> vary the light quality & intensity on the subject by moving the lights
> around.

And:

> Get yourself a good light meter and a copy of "Light Science & Magic"
> by Fil Hunter and Paul Fuqua.
> 
> Work your way through it.
> 
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0240812255?*Version*=1&*entries*=0
> 
> I have two of this model because I consider them the best combination
> of features & cost. It does (reflected) spot & incident light readings,
> along with flash, multiple flash (build up exposure using repeated pops
> of the strobes) and it does it either connected with a PC cord or
> cordless.
> 
> Most bang for the buck I've seen in a meter, plus it's water resistant.
> 
> https://www.keh.com/284901/light-meters-sekonic-l-408-multimaster-ambi-
> flash

Thanks John. I don't intend to go nuts with equipment and I'll start off
small. I'd not seen 'Light Science & Magic' but the 5th edition is on its
way to me now. Nothing I have goes into any real detail, and I'd like to
read the book before buying anything else. Having said that I have seen the
Sekonic L 408 light meter. My light meter comes from another age, certainly
film days and I suspect a while before Pentax introduced the K lens mount! I
know for certain that needs to be updated.

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Re: My Wife, Marlene

[Steve Cottrell]

On 12/11/15, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I am terribly saddened for your loss. I know that right now there are 
>many things that you need to do to take care of business, to support and 
>care for Grace, as well as the rest of your family. But, please, do not 
>forget to take care of yourself, to acknowledge when you need help, and 
>to ask your friends and family in those times.

That's really lovely Larry. Well said.

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Re: OT. newly found info

[P.J. Alling]

It's like a Toshiba laptop.  Well, some models at least.  There's no 
dedicated WiFi switch, there's a, not particularly well marked, keyboard 
combination to turn WiFi on and off.  The documentation is sorely 
lacking in explaining this.  The urge to throw said laptop out a window 
was nearly overwhelming.



On 11/12/2015 4:10 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 12/11/15, Steve Cottrell, discombobulated, unleashed:


More than that, it disables the AF assist lamp and the shutter noise.
These things are all turned on/off by a single long press on one button
the back. Easy.

Just to be clear:

You have a camera, you want the shutter sound louder or softer, or even
different? Go into the menus and find the shutter sound pref, and select
to taste.

You want the AF assist lamp permanently on or off? Go into the menus and
find the AF assist lamp pref, select accordingly.

You want the flash enable or disabled? It's a manual pop-up flash. You
don't want flash even if you pop it up? Go into the menus, find the
pref, select your choice. If using fully auto then it may be on the X30
the flash can pop up by itself -  it can't on my X20, it has to be
manually popped up.

BUT - These cameras benefit from an extra facility - a 'silent mode'.
Really it should be called 'stealth mode'. If you find yourself in a
situation where you want to be as quiet and unnoticed as possible while
shooting, then a simple press-and-hold of one button ('DISP/
BACK')enables this mode which disables the pop-up flash, turns off any
shutter noise, and disables the AF assist lamp. To re-enable the camera
as it was before, simply press and hold this button again. This means if
you are shooting at a party with noise and fun, using flash etc, but
then decide some candid shots would be nice without flash and
distracting low-light AF assist lamp etc, one button means you can,
instead of searching menus for these things individually. That's great design.





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Re: OT. newly found info

[P.J. Alling]

That sounds like a stupid programmer trick to me.

On 11/12/2015 1:57 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

So, since buying my X30 i have been trying to figure out why the pop
up flash would not fire, and why i could not access its menu using the
flash icon. I have read the manual 4 times, 5 is right out. So after
doing some netinfomationing i discovered that the flash will not work
if the camera;s sound is set to off. Lo and behold mine was set to
off. Netinformation told me that sound needs to be on and set to at
least 0. Having done that my flash now emits its fake sun light.

Camera, life's little mysteries.

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Re: My Wife, Marlene

[Larry Colen]

Paul,
I am terribly saddened for your loss. I know that right now there are 
many things that you need to do to take care of business, to support and 
care for Grace, as well as the rest of your family. But, please, do not 
forget to take care of yourself, to acknowledge when you need help, and 
to ask your friends and family in those times.


paul stenquist wrote:

As many of you know, my wife, Marlene, succumbed to cancer yesterday in our 
home, without the angst of a hostpital environment. She has been my inspiration 
and partner for 45 years, and I can’t believe she’s gone. I keep thinking I 
have to go check on her, but then remember she’s no longer here. Her passing 
was peaceful and apparently painless and for that I am eternally grateful. 
Kudos to the doctors at Karmanos Cancer Center and Angela Hospice. The hospice 
nurses were constantly available and at my side during those last days. I can’t 
thank them enough.

This is my favorite photo of her. She was 23 years old here and just bubbling 
over with life.
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17112934&size=lg

Paul


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Re: My Wife, Marlene

[Stanley Halpin]

Very sorry to hear this Paul. My thoughts are with you as you and the rest of 
your family work to come to terms with her absence.

Stan

> On Nov 11, 2015, at 8:35 PM, paul stenquist  wrote:
> 
> As many of you know, my wife, Marlene, succumbed to cancer yesterday in our 
> home, without the angst of a hostpital environment. She has been my 
> inspiration and partner for 45 years, and I can’t believe she’s gone. I keep 
> thinking I have to go check on her, but then remember she’s no longer here. 
> Her passing was peaceful and apparently painless and for that I am eternally 
> grateful. Kudos to the doctors at Karmanos Cancer Center and Angela Hospice. 
> The hospice nurses were constantly available and at my side during those last 
> days. I can’t thank them enough.
> 
> This is my favorite photo of her. She was 23 years old here and just bubbling 
> over with life.
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17112934&size=lg
> 
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Re: OT. newly found info

[Steve Cottrell]

On 12/11/15, Steve Cottrell, discombobulated, unleashed:

>More than that, it disables the AF assist lamp and the shutter noise.
>These things are all turned on/off by a single long press on one button
>the back. Easy.

Just to be clear:

You have a camera, you want the shutter sound louder or softer, or even
different? Go into the menus and find the shutter sound pref, and select
to taste.

You want the AF assist lamp permanently on or off? Go into the menus and
find the AF assist lamp pref, select accordingly.

You want the flash enable or disabled? It's a manual pop-up flash. You
don't want flash even if you pop it up? Go into the menus, find the
pref, select your choice. If using fully auto then it may be on the X30
the flash can pop up by itself -  it can't on my X20, it has to be
manually popped up.

BUT - These cameras benefit from an extra facility - a 'silent mode'.
Really it should be called 'stealth mode'. If you find yourself in a
situation where you want to be as quiet and unnoticed as possible while
shooting, then a simple press-and-hold of one button ('DISP/
BACK')enables this mode which disables the pop-up flash, turns off any
shutter noise, and disables the AF assist lamp. To re-enable the camera
as it was before, simply press and hold this button again. This means if
you are shooting at a party with noise and fun, using flash etc, but
then decide some candid shots would be nice without flash and
distracting low-light AF assist lamp etc, one button means you can,
instead of searching menus for these things individually. That's great design.


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Re: OT. newly found info

[Steve Cottrell]

On 12/11/15, Marco Alpert, discombobulated, unleashed:

>It is odd. If I had to guess, I suppose that the logic might be that if
>you've selected silent mode, it's because you're in a situation where
>you have to remain inconspicuous and a flash firing would be a problem,
>so they're protecting you from yourself. But that's giving them a big
>benefit of the doubt.

More than that, it disables the AF assist lamp and the shutter noise.
These things are all turned on/off by a single long press on one button
the back. Easy.

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Re: OT. newly found info

[Steve Cottrell]

On 12/11/15, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:

>It's one of Fuji's more inscrutable settings.
>Silent mode turns off the flash.

Actually I love that feature as it disables and shutter noise and the AE
assist lamp - makes the camera really undetectable in operation.

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Re: OT. newly found info

[Steve Cottrell]

On 12/11/15, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:

>So, since buying my X30 i have been trying to figure out why the pop
>up flash would not fire, and why i could not access its menu using the
>flash icon. I have read the manual 4 times, 5 is right out. So after
>doing some netinfomationing i discovered that the flash will not work
>if the camera;s sound is set to off. Lo and behold mine was set to
>off. Netinformation told me that sound needs to be on and set to at
>least 0. Having done that my flash now emits its fake sun light.

Press and hold the 'Disp-Back' button to enable or disable 'silent mode'

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Re: OT. newly found info

[steve harley]

On 2015-11-12 12:37 , Marco Alpert wrote:

It is odd. If I had to guess, I suppose that the logic might be that if you've 
selected silent mode, it's because you're in a situation where you have to 
remain inconspicuous and a flash firing would be a problem, so they're 
protecting you from yourself. But that's giving them a big benefit of the doubt.


perhaps in Japan it has a name that means "inconspicuous" and it was 
translated as "silent"



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Re: Peso-Swan Festavile

[Jack Davis]

Ann referred to her bird book and
confirmed my my findings. So,(?)

J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 12, 2015, at 11:17 AM, John  wrote:
> 
> They look like Greylag geese to me.
> 
>> On 11/11/2015 7:51 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
>> look at all those blig mother flockers!
>> 
>> Jack , I like these -interesting that the swans do seem tobe tending the
>> geese
>> which I believe are white fronted geese.
>> 
>> ann
>> 
>>> On 11/11/2015 3:16 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
>>> 
>>> The annual locally run Swan Festival is under way in this area, so I went
>>> looking for the celebrated subjects.
>>> Am, attaching a couple shots of a flock containing what I believe to
>>> be trumpeter swans
>>> and some brown geese(?) Also, a further crop of a portion of the
>>> center area.
>>> 
>>> May ask Santa for a big brother to the 55~300.
>>> 
>>> C&C appreciated.
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> J
>>> 
>>> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=997
>>> 
>>> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=998
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: OT. newly found info

[Marco Alpert]

It is odd. If I had to guess, I suppose that the logic might be that if you've 
selected silent mode, it's because you're in a situation where you have to 
remain inconspicuous and a flash firing would be a problem, so they're 
protecting you from yourself. But that's giving them a big benefit of the doubt.

- Marco


On Nov 12, 2015, at 11:30 AM, John wrote:

> On 11/12/2015 1:57 PM, David J Brooks wrote:
>> So, since buying my X30 i have been trying to figure out why the pop
>> up flash would not fire, and why i could not access its menu using the
>> flash icon. I have read the manual 4 times, 5 is right out. So after
>> doing some netinfomationing i discovered that the flash will not work
>> if the camera;s sound is set to off. Lo and behold mine was set to
>> off. Netinformation told me that sound needs to be on and set to at
>> least 0. Having done that my flash now emits its fake sun light.
>> 
>> Camera, life's little mysteries.
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
> 
> That's just strange.
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Re: OT. newly found info

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On 11/12/2015 1:57 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

So, since buying my X30 i have been trying to figure out why the pop
up flash would not fire, and why i could not access its menu using the
flash icon. I have read the manual 4 times, 5 is right out. So after
doing some netinfomationing i discovered that the flash will not work
if the camera;s sound is set to off. Lo and behold mine was set to
off. Netinformation told me that sound needs to be on and set to at
least 0. Having done that my flash now emits its fake sun light.

Camera, life's little mysteries.

Dave



That's just strange.

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Re: Peso-Swan Festavile

[John]

They look like Greylag geese to me.

On 11/11/2015 7:51 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

look at all those blig mother flockers!

Jack , I like these -interesting that the swans do seem tobe tending the
geese
which I believe are white fronted geese.

ann

On 11/11/2015 3:16 PM, Jack Davis wrote:


The annual locally run Swan Festival is under way in this area, so I went
looking for the celebrated subjects.
Am, attaching a couple shots of a flock containing what I believe to
be trumpeter swans
and some brown geese(?) Also, a further crop of a portion of the
center area.

May ask Santa for a big brother to the 55~300.

C&C appreciated.
Thanks!

J

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=997

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=998






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Re: PESO ~ Portrait of a self-portrait

[John]

On 11/12/2015 4:49 AM, Malcolm Smith wrote:

Bruce Walker wrote:


Good to hear, Malcolm. And the great thing is you can start out pretty
cheaply too.

One of my favourite tricks is to create what appears to be ambient
window light where there is none so the shot looks "natural". I do that
with one or more cheap manual flashes and some white reflector card, or
even just white walls.

Like this shot:
http://off-axis.brucemwalker.com/image/85678223657

At a quick glance everyone says, "okay: a big window camera-left,
right?"

Nope. A big v-flat made of white foamcore with three $50 Neewer flashes
firing into it. One is radio triggered ($20 Cowboy Studios) and the
other two are slaved to the "master". This arrangement can be used to
light up a group of people standing, at f:5.6 ISO 100.

Your black subject on black background is a good example of a tricky
_metering_ situation, but you could easily light that with just window
light. :)

I think you'll enjoy getting into these more interesting photo
challenges. It sure keeps me busy. :)


Thanks Bruce. I have to admit this is something which has caught my
imagination, and I can start with an open mind. I'll take a look around for
the things I need to make a start shortly. I have from a purchase of a job
lot some two or three years ago ended up with about 6 working flashes. They
will be ideal for remote by cord (they are old units) and I have several
reflectors and spare foamboard from print mounting - it's just lights as the
main expense, and I have a place to use this in good weather - I have an
empty 12' x 8' timber shed, which I can practice lighting objects in, with
no fear of people tripping over anything I set up. You have to start
somewhere!

Malcolm




You don't have to have studio strobes to start with. In fact, it might
be easier to learn what you need to learn with continuous lighting. When
I was in school, we started with hot lights. Didn't get to strobes until
the second year.

Nowadays, you don't even need the hot lights.

You can learn a lot using CFL bulbs & cheap clamp-on fixtures. Learn to
vary the light quality & intensity on the subject by moving the lights
around.


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Re: OT. newly found info

[Bill]

On 11/12/2015 12:57 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

So, since buying my X30 i have been trying to figure out why the pop
up flash would not fire, and why i could not access its menu using the
flash icon. I have read the manual 4 times, 5 is right out. So after
doing some netinfomationing i discovered that the flash will not work
if the camera;s sound is set to off. Lo and behold mine was set to
off. Netinformation told me that sound needs to be on and set to at
least 0. Having done that my flash now emits its fake sun light.

Camera, life's little mysteries.

Dave



It's one of Fuji's more inscrutable settings.
Silent mode turns off the flash.

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OT. newly found info

[David J Brooks]

So, since buying my X30 i have been trying to figure out why the pop
up flash would not fire, and why i could not access its menu using the
flash icon. I have read the manual 4 times, 5 is right out. So after
doing some netinfomationing i discovered that the flash will not work
if the camera;s sound is set to off. Lo and behold mine was set to
off. Netinformation told me that sound needs to be on and set to at
least 0. Having done that my flash now emits its fake sun light.

Camera, life's little mysteries.

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Re: PESO - Housekeeping

[steve harley]

On 2015-11-10 11:40 , Marco Alpert wrote:

http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo15/peso24.html


nice observation, presented at a good size; one thing i notice is a slight 
unease — there is nowhere for the eye to rest; for me this adds tension to 
the non-relationship of the people in the photo; should still be interesting 
many years from now


one thing i notice the insane number of plants this place maintains; they 
ought to be growing food there; another thing i notice is your lens is just 
about perfectly planar (or you post-processed to remove distortion), which 
also adds to the tension


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Re: PESO ~ Portrait of a self-portrait

[John]

On 11/11/2015 7:17 PM, Malcolm Smith wrote:

Bruce Walker wrote:


Anyway, my point is that considering how important light is to great
photographs, I think everyone should spend more time focussing on
perfecting it. It's not so very difficult, you know. :)


Ha!

I spend a lot of time thinking about light Bruce. I really do my best to
avoid artificial light, and I am so pleased that you can bump up ISO a bit
now with the latest cameras, tripods give you longer shutter times and
reflectors are so useful.

However, that has got to change. I read that really difficult subjects to
correctly light for are black objects on black backgrounds; how you light
them gives them their shape and separates them from the background. I'm
going to invest in some lighting equipment nearer the end of the year and
overcome this reluctance to this subject, and give problem lighting
situations a go. Seeing I wait ages for the right light sometimes, the
opportunity to create my own actually sounds a great idea!

Malcolm



Get yourself a good light meter and a copy of "Light Science & Magic" by
Fil Hunter and Paul Fuqua.

Work your way through it.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0240812255?*Version*=1&*entries*=0

I have two of this model because I consider them the best combination of
features & cost. It does (reflected) spot & incident light readings,
along with flash, multiple flash (build up exposure using repeated pops
of the strobes) and it does it either connected with a PC cord or cordless.

Most bang for the buck I've seen in a meter, plus it's water resistant.

https://www.keh.com/284901/light-meters-sekonic-l-408-multimaster-ambi-flash



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Re: OT: For Frank

[P.J. Alling]

Well, i'n not Frank, but I did a little research, and the kind of people 
who would buy one, seem to be the kind of people who make my skin 
crawl.  That aside it's a nice concept.  Not for everyone, or 
everywhere, but as a short commuter, or recreation vehicle, in the right 
climate, it makes a lot of sense.  If I were younger I'd still prefer a 
classic 10 speed bicycle, for most of the things an Elf would be good 
for, now being older, the Elf looks attractive, except for the fact that 
it's seriously over priced.


On 11/12/2015 12:32 PM, John wrote:

A local startup in my old home town got some notice from the local PBS
station. Someone sent me the link & I though Frank might find it
interesting. And there are some other riders here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3INj_7WVDQ8

The drawbacks - which I expect they're looking at addressing - it's not
weather sealed & we get a LOT of rainy weather here in the winters.

Plus, there's not enough room for me to carry a guitar case in the back.
And I couldn't stop anywhere along the way even if I could get the
guitar in there, because there's no way to secure it.




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Re: PESO: Cool Cox

[John]

In crew racing he/she's the person who steers the boat and calls the
stroke to keep the oars(wo)men in time.

In the navy it's the person in charge of a small boat, particularly
steering & navigation.

On 11/10/2015 11:43 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

I'll have to google coxswain
No idea what is going on here, but the geometry is nice

ann

On 11/10/2015 12:28 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

A Coxswain at the Gardner Cup Regatta at Dartmouth College:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18125332&size=lg
K-5 II S, DA 18-135 zoom

Comments are invited.

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Re: Kinkade - this'll raise a smile

[John]

On 11/12/2015 11:06 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

In case the previous link was broken for you:





That IS a tremendous improvement. They're almost good enough now to use
for cat-box liners.

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Re: PESO - Housekeeping

[Marco Alpert]

Yup.

m

On Nov 12, 2015, at 9:05 AM, John wrote:

> I bet it's the same one that has the open top bar down in the lobby.
> 
> On 11/10/2015 8:53 PM, Rick Womer wrote:
>> A Hyatt Regency someplace. I like it.
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> On Nov 10, 2015, at 1:40 PM, Marco Alpert wrote:
>> 
>>> http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo15/peso24.html
>>> 
>>> Comments, as always, welcomed.
>>> 
>>> -Marco
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Re: My Wife, Marlene

[John]

On 11/11/2015 8:35 PM, paul stenquist wrote:

As many of you know, my wife, Marlene, succumbed to cancer yesterday in our 
home, without the angst of a hostpital environment. She has been my inspiration 
and partner for 45 years, and I can’t believe she’s gone. I keep thinking I 
have to go check on her, but then remember she’s no longer here. Her passing 
was peaceful and apparently painless and for that I am eternally grateful. 
Kudos to the doctors at Karmanos Cancer Center and Angela Hospice. The hospice 
nurses were constantly available and at my side during those last days. I can’t 
thank them enough.

This is my favorite photo of her. She was 23 years old here and just bubbling 
over with life.
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17112934&size=lg

Paul



Paul,

I grieve for you and your family. No words are adequate at this time, 
but I hope you will find comfort that she is at peace and has surcease 
from pain.



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OT: For Frank

[John]

A local startup in my old home town got some notice from the local PBS
station. Someone sent me the link & I though Frank might find it
interesting. And there are some other riders here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3INj_7WVDQ8

The drawbacks - which I expect they're looking at addressing - it's not
weather sealed & we get a LOT of rainy weather here in the winters.

Plus, there's not enough room for me to carry a guitar case in the back.
And I couldn't stop anywhere along the way even if I could get the
guitar in there, because there's no way to secure it.

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Re: [baphotoshooters] Housekeeping - MMA

[John]

Wasn't an annoyance, just a curiosity.

On 11/11/2015 3:58 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

BAPhotoShooters is a Yahoo group I created sometime in and around
2008 to provide a way for folks who attended the Pacific Art League's
photo group to chat, share photos, and get together for occasional
parties and fun. There are a few other folks on it who've subscribed
after the original thought came and went. I have it configured so
that it puts the [baphotoshooters] key into the subject line, easy to
find and for filters to pick up in Mail.

I usually try to remove subject keys when posting across different
email and group addresses, just missed it this time. Sorry for the
annoyance.

G


On Nov 11, 2015, at 12:24 PM, Marco Alpert 
wrote:

Hm... not sure how that made it into the subject line here on PDML
(I think maybe via Godfrey's response), but it's a (currently very
low traffic) list for SF Bay Area photographers.
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/baphotoshooters/info

m

On Nov 11, 2015, at 12:06 PM, Larry Colen wrote:


By the way, what is this baphotoshooters?

On November 10, 2015 11:45:00 AM PST, Godfrey DiGiorgi
 wrote:

Like this one a lot. It lead me on a pleasant detail hunt
looking for all the details across the balconies. Great work!

G



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[baphotoshooters]  wrote:


http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo15/peso24.html

Comments, as always, welcomed.

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Re: PESO - Housekeeping

[John]

I bet it's the same one that has the open top bar down in the lobby.

On 11/10/2015 8:53 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

A Hyatt Regency someplace. I like it.

Rick

On Nov 10, 2015, at 1:40 PM, Marco Alpert wrote:


http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo15/peso24.html

Comments, as always, welcomed.

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Re: Kinkade - this'll raise a smile

[Mark Roberts]

Steve Cottrell wrote:

>In case the previous link was broken for you:
>
>

Brilliant!
 
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Re: Kinkade - this'll raise a smile

[Jack Davis]

THANK YOU, COTTY!!

J

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Subject: Re: Kinkade - this'll raise a smile

In case the previous link was broken for you:



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Re: My Wife, Marlene

[Eric Weir]

> On Nov 11, 2015, at 8:35 PM, paul stenquist  wrote:
> 
> As many of you know, my wife, Marlene, succumbed to cancer yesterday in our 
> home, without the angst of a hostpital environment. She has been my 
> inspiration and partner for 45 years, and I can’t believe she’s gone. I keep 
> thinking I have to go check on her, but then remember she’s no longer here. 
> Her passing was peaceful and apparently painless and for that I am eternally 
> grateful. Kudos to the doctors at Karmanos Cancer Center and Angela Hospice. 
> The hospice nurses were constantly available and at my side during those last 
> days. I can’t thank them enough.
> 
> This is my favorite photo of her. She was 23 years old here and just bubbling 
> over with life.
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17112934&size=lg

Sorry for your loss, Paul. You are fortunate to have been loved by and to have 
loved such a lovely woman.

At the risk of sounding glib at such a moment a few phrases from a Facebook 
post a couple days ago that struck me as right about grief: 

"My scars are a testament to the love and the relationship that I had for and 
with that person. And if the scar is deep, so was the loveScars are a 
testament that I can love deeply and live deeply and be cut, or even gouged, 
and that I can heal and continue to live and continue to loved.” 


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Re: Peso: Hippos & Crocs

[Donald Guthrie]

Wow a stunning photo. It is good to know such places still exist in the 
wild.



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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 14:51:50 +0200
From: "Alan C"
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Subject: Peso: Hippos & Crocs
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If you ever wanted to be knee deep in crocodiles, this is the place to be.
Hippos & crocs basking in the midday sun - Olifants river

https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/22344609093/

Scroll to see a view of the river at it's current very low level - hardly
flowing, mostly pools.

K7 with the HD 55-300.

Alan C



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Re: PESO: Lion Kill

[Rick Womer]

Alan, this is a very interesting and nicely done set. I trust that
this was a safari of some sort rather than your walk to work!

Cheers,

Rick
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On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> Special scene not many would run across.
> Well caught!
>
> J
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Alan C" 
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> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 4:57:19 AM
> Subject: PESO: Lion Kill
>
> An old male sleeping in the shade after feasting on a young buffalo near
> Satara Camp. The carcass has been ripped apart - looks like the hindquarters
> above the head. Lions prefer the internal organs, esp. the heart & liver.
> This old boy has been ejected from his pride by younger male(s). Scrool for
> a close up of his head.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/22965751975/
>
> K7 with the HD 55-300
>
> Alan C
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Re: Kinkade - this'll raise a smile

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In case the previous link was broken for you:



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RE: My Wife, Marlene

[John Coyle]

 Paul - I am so sorry to hear that Marlene has gone.  You must feel bereft 
after being together for so many years: please accept my sincere condolences.
How is Gracie? I'm sure she feels the loss severely too.

John  (currently in the UK, facing a similar situation)


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My Wife, Marlene


As many of you know, my wife, Marlene, succumbed to cancer yesterday in our 
home, without the angst of a hostpital environment. She has been my 
inspiration and partner for 45 years, and I can't believe she's gone. I keep 
thinking I have to go check on her, but then remember she's no longer here. 
Her passing was peaceful and apparently painless and for that I am eternally 
grateful. Kudos to the doctors at Karmanos Cancer Center and Angela Hospice. 
The hospice nurses were constantly available and at my side during those 
last days. I can't thank them enough.

This is my favorite photo of her. She was 23 years old here and just 
bubbling over with life.
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17112934&size=lg

Paul
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Re: Deleting folders from Lightroom navigator

[Eric Weir]

> On Nov 11, 2015, at 2:57 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> On 11 Nov 2015, at 12:50, Malcolm Smith  wrote:
>> 
>> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>> 
>>> Sorry if this doesn't answer your questions directly. Unraveling a
>>> slightly mucked up Lightroom catalog database takes time and
>>> persistence. You need to look at a lot of things, one at a time, to
>>> determine what the state of a particular catalog is and what files it
>>> is looking at. Always look from catalog to file system, and then the
>>> other way, to determine issues that need to be fixed.
>> 
>> It's so important to get Lightroom to set the catalogue database right from 
>> the start. I thought I understood that, and I also thought that at least the 
>> images I had from DSLRs were in a logical order. 
>> 
>> [...]
>> 
>> For someone organised, starting with Lightroom should be a big help, but if 
>> you don't know what it is you want until you start, you have to live with 
>> and correct the errors that you make!
> 
> My view, which I implemented from v0.n beta of LR because it is a sound 
> general principle, is that you should not confuse the physical organisation 
> (i.e. on the disk) and the logical organisation, in the catalogue. Therefore 
> I have a completely flat unstructured set of photographs on disk, in one 
> folder (but see below), and I use LR to catalogue it. That's the point of a 
> catalogue - to make multiple independent groups independently of the physical 
> organisation, so that they are easy to find and to view in different ways. 
> Folder structures on disk are a 2nd-rate attempt to do something similar - 
> you don't really need two ways to do it. Occam's law applies.
> 
> However, my installation of LR itself does create subfolders on the disk 
> whose name is based on the file date, but I suspect I set it up this way 
> while I was drunk, or perhaps it was the default setting, when I first got 
> LR. It's unnecessary, but quieta non movere trumps Occam.

Listening to Malcolm and Bob, I realized that in fact I do have an organized 
catalog, which I arrived at with the help of folks here, after I’d acquired 
Lightroom but before I started using. It is exactly what Bob described. 
Lightroom assigns images to date-based folders when they are imported. I always 
add a short descriptive phrase after the date so that later I have a rough 
sense of what’s in each folder just by looking at the name. As Bob points out 
this results in an identical structuring of image files in the file system 
outside Lightroom. 

I was intrigued by Bob’s comment that the point of the catalogue is "to make 
multiple independent groups independently of the physical organisation, so that 
they are easy to find and to view in different ways.” My first reaction was to 
wonder what else he was talking about. Then it occurred to me that there are a 
couple other things I do that might qualify: I make q quick pass through the 
folder, flagging images not worth saving. Then I make a more careful pass, 
assigning a one-star rating to images I want to work with and use that to 
create a collection of those images. I then do my editing from within the 
collection. In the process anywhere from a few to several images get deleted 
from the collection. 

I have yet to find tagging helpful. At some point I may do so. If I do, I feel 
certain the tagging system will evolve organically, over time, in the process 
of tagging. I can’t imagine developing one in the abstract, in advance of using 
it.

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Re: PESO: Waterhole scene

[Daniel J. Matyola]

An effective portrayal of an interesting scene.

Dan Matyola
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On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Alan C  wrote:
> A randy elephant bull (look closely!) cooling off in a fast disappearing
> waterhole. Scroll left for a close up of the birds. There is a hooded
> vulture at the front, a saddlebill stork at the back & a flock of egyptian
> geese in between.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/22345178863/
>
> K7 with the HD 55-300
>
> Alan C
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Re: My Wife, Marlene

[David J Brooks]

So sorry to hear Paul, a wonderful photo to remember her by

Dave

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 8:35 PM, paul stenquist  wrote:
> As many of you know, my wife, Marlene, succumbed to cancer yesterday in our 
> home, without the angst of a hostpital environment. She has been my 
> inspiration and partner for 45 years, and I can’t believe she’s gone. I keep 
> thinking I have to go check on her, but then remember she’s no longer here. 
> Her passing was peaceful and apparently painless and for that I am eternally 
> grateful. Kudos to the doctors at Karmanos Cancer Center and Angela Hospice. 
> The hospice nurses were constantly available and at my side during those last 
> days. I can’t thank them enough.
>
> This is my favorite photo of her. She was 23 years old here and just bubbling 
> over with life.
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17112934&size=lg
>
> Paul
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Re: My Wife, Marlene

[Christine Aguila]

Hi Paul:

I am so very sorry for your loss.  The photo is lovely, and from it one can 
tell Marlene had a lovely spirit!  I’m glad the end was peaceful and painless.

Darrel and I send our heartfelt condolences and have you in our thoughts.

With sympathy, Christine & Darrel


> On Nov 11, 2015, at 7:35 PM, paul stenquist  wrote:
> 
> As many of you know, my wife, Marlene, succumbed to cancer yesterday in our 
> home, without the angst of a hostpital environment. She has been my 
> inspiration and partner for 45 years, and I can’t believe she’s gone. I keep 
> thinking I have to go check on her, but then remember she’s no longer here. 
> Her passing was peaceful and apparently painless and for that I am eternally 
> grateful. Kudos to the doctors at Karmanos Cancer Center and Angela Hospice. 
> The hospice nurses were constantly available and at my side during those last 
> days. I can’t thank them enough.
> 
> This is my favorite photo of her. She was 23 years old here and just bubbling 
> over with life.
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17112934&size=lg
> 
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Re: Peso-Swan Festavile

[Jack Davis]

Thanks, Alan!
The resolution in this scene surprised me. It was shot from a considerable
distance and was unexpected. All such wildlife shooting is hand held, but in
this case I was leaning against a fence. Even though it was barbed wire I
was probably gingerly resting the camera on the top wire.(?)
Also, I "never" shoot jpeg, but I had been dinking with B&W and had forgotten
to reset to DNG. I did, however, have the K-3 set set to top res.

J

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From: "Alan C" 
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Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 5:59:59 AM
Subject: Re: Peso-Swan Festavile

Wonderful images, Jack, esp. the close up. I'm dying to shoot a scene like 
that. The flocks of birds I find always seem to be so far away.

Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Jack Davis
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 10:16 PM
To: PDML
Subject: Peso-Swan Festavile



The annual locally run Swan Festival is under way in this area, so I went
looking for the celebrated subjects.
Am, attaching a couple shots of a flock containing what I believe to be 
trumpeter swans
and some brown geese(?) Also, a further crop of a portion of the center 
area.

May ask Santa for a big brother to the 55~300.

C&C appreciated.
Thanks!

J

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http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=998

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RE: PESO: Waterhole scene

[Malcolm Smith]

Alan C wrote:

> A randy elephant bull (look closely!) cooling off in a fast
> disappearing waterhole. Scroll left for a close up of the birds. There
> is a hooded vulture at the front, a saddlebill stork at the back & a
> flock of egyptian geese in between.
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/22345178863/
> 
> K7 with the HD 55-300

I thought with the positioning of the hoses, it was an elephant shaped water
filter.

Regardless, great photos.

Malcolm


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Re: Peso-Swan Festavile

[Alan C]

Wonderful images, Jack, esp. the close up. I'm dying to shoot a scene like 
that. The flocks of birds I find always seem to be so far away.


Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Jack Davis

Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 10:16 PM
To: PDML
Subject: Peso-Swan Festavile



The annual locally run Swan Festival is under way in this area, so I went
looking for the celebrated subjects.
Am, attaching a couple shots of a flock containing what I believe to be 
trumpeter swans
and some brown geese(?) Also, a further crop of a portion of the center 
area.


May ask Santa for a big brother to the 55~300.

C&C appreciated.
Thanks!

J

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=997

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=998

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Re: PESO: Waterhole scene

[Jack Davis]

Is he drinking from both ends? 8>[
Another keeper, Alan!

J
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From: "Alan C" 
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Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 5:52:45 AM
Subject: PESO: Waterhole scene

A randy elephant bull (look closely!) cooling off in a fast disappearing 
waterhole. Scroll left for a close up of the birds. There is a hooded 
vulture at the front, a saddlebill stork at the back & a flock of egyptian 
geese in between.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/22345178863/

K7 with the HD 55-300

Alan C 


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Re: PESO: Lion Kill

[Jack Davis]

Special scene not many would run across.
Well caught!

J

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Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 4:57:19 AM
Subject: PESO: Lion Kill

An old male sleeping in the shade after feasting on a young buffalo near 
Satara Camp. The carcass has been ripped apart - looks like the hindquarters 
above the head. Lions prefer the internal organs, esp. the heart & liver. 
This old boy has been ejected from his pride by younger male(s). Scrool for 
a close up of his head.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/22965751975/

K7 with the HD 55-300

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Re: My Wife, Marlene

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My condolences, Paul.
Hope you're (relatively) OK.
 
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PESO: Waterhole scene

[Alan C]

A randy elephant bull (look closely!) cooling off in a fast disappearing 
waterhole. Scroll left for a close up of the birds. There is a hooded 
vulture at the front, a saddlebill stork at the back & a flock of egyptian 
geese in between.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/22345178863/

K7 with the HD 55-300

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Re: Peso: Hippos & Crocs

[Jack Davis]

Well composed image, Alan!
The "hippos and crocks" title sounds like it
could be a dish on a menu. "believe I'll have the hippos and crocks."
Well it's early morning here. :/

J

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Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 4:51:50 AM
Subject: Peso: Hippos & Crocs

If you ever wanted to be knee deep in crocodiles, this is the place to be. 
Hippos & crocs basking in the midday sun - Olifants river

https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/22344609093/

Scroll to see a view of the river at it's current very low level - hardly 
flowing, mostly pools.

K7 with the HD 55-300.

Alan C 


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Re: My Wife, Marlene

[Bruce Walker]

Paul, I was saddened to hear of this. I hope that you can take solace
in the fact of your wife's untroubled release.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 8:35 PM, paul stenquist  wrote:
> As many of you know, my wife, Marlene, succumbed to cancer yesterday in our 
> home, without the angst of a hostpital environment. She has been my 
> inspiration and partner for 45 years, and I can’t believe she’s gone. I keep 
> thinking I have to go check on her, but then remember she’s no longer here. 
> Her passing was peaceful and apparently painless and for that I am eternally 
> grateful. Kudos to the doctors at Karmanos Cancer Center and Angela Hospice. 
> The hospice nurses were constantly available and at my side during those last 
> days. I can’t thank them enough.
>
> This is my favorite photo of her. She was 23 years old here and just bubbling 
> over with life.
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17112934&size=lg
>
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Re: Geso: Ellie Calf

[Jack Davis]

Nice , Alan!
Especially like the first frame of the top series!

J

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Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 5:31:41 AM
Subject: Geso: Ellie Calf

This young mite amused us with its trunk antics for a couple of minutes 
until mother intervened.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/albums/72157660709111460

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Geso: Ellie Calf

[Alan C]

This young mite amused us with its trunk antics for a couple of minutes 
until mother intervened.


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PESO: Lion Kill

[Alan C]

An old male sleeping in the shade after feasting on a young buffalo near 
Satara Camp. The carcass has been ripped apart - looks like the hindquarters 
above the head. Lions prefer the internal organs, esp. the heart & liver. 
This old boy has been ejected from his pride by younger male(s). Scrool for 
a close up of his head.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/22965751975/

K7 with the HD 55-300

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Peso: Hippos & Crocs

[Alan C]

If you ever wanted to be knee deep in crocodiles, this is the place to be. 
Hippos & crocs basking in the midday sun - Olifants river


https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/22344609093/

Scroll to see a view of the river at it's current very low level - hardly 
flowing, mostly pools.


K7 with the HD 55-300.

Alan C 



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Re: Lenses...

[Bill]

On 11/11/2015 10:54 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:

Every time I look at a photo I've taken with the FA 20-35mm f4.0,
whether on film or digital, I can't help to thing why couldn't it be a
limited sheathed in machined aluminum rather than plastic...



They changed it up slightly and called it the 20-40 LTD.

bill

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Re: My Wife, Marlene

[Carlos R.]

My deepest condolences, Paul. I am out of words to express my feelings, 
but my thoughts are with you and your family.


Carlos

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RE: PESO ~ Portrait of a self-portrait

[Malcolm Smith]

Bruce Walker wrote:

> Good to hear, Malcolm. And the great thing is you can start out pretty
> cheaply too.
> 
> One of my favourite tricks is to create what appears to be ambient
> window light where there is none so the shot looks "natural". I do that
> with one or more cheap manual flashes and some white reflector card, or
> even just white walls.
> 
> Like this shot:
> http://off-axis.brucemwalker.com/image/85678223657
> 
> At a quick glance everyone says, "okay: a big window camera-left,
> right?"
> 
> Nope. A big v-flat made of white foamcore with three $50 Neewer flashes
> firing into it. One is radio triggered ($20 Cowboy Studios) and the
> other two are slaved to the "master". This arrangement can be used to
> light up a group of people standing, at f:5.6 ISO 100.
> 
> Your black subject on black background is a good example of a tricky
> _metering_ situation, but you could easily light that with just window
> light. :)
> 
> I think you'll enjoy getting into these more interesting photo
> challenges. It sure keeps me busy. :)

Thanks Bruce. I have to admit this is something which has caught my
imagination, and I can start with an open mind. I'll take a look around for
the things I need to make a start shortly. I have from a purchase of a job
lot some two or three years ago ended up with about 6 working flashes. They
will be ideal for remote by cord (they are old units) and I have several
reflectors and spare foamboard from print mounting - it's just lights as the
main expense, and I have a place to use this in good weather - I have an
empty 12' x 8' timber shed, which I can practice lighting objects in, with
no fear of people tripping over anything I set up. You have to start
somewhere!

Malcolm


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Re: My Wife, Marlene

[Toine]

So sorry to hear this. My condolences to you and your family.

Toine

On 12 November 2015 at 08:38, Malcolm Smith  wrote:
> paul stenquist wrote:
>
>> As many of you know, my wife, Marlene, succumbed to cancer yesterday in
>> our home, without the angst of a hostpital environment. She has been my
>> inspiration and partner for 45 years, and I can’t believe she’s gone. I
>> keep thinking I have to go check on her, but then remember she’s no
>> longer here. Her passing was peaceful and apparently painless and for
>> that I am eternally grateful. Kudos to the doctors at Karmanos Cancer
>> Center and Angela Hospice. The hospice nurses were constantly available
>> and at my side during those last days. I can’t thank them enough.
>>
>> This is my favorite photo of her. She was 23 years old here and just
>> bubbling over with life.
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17112934&size=lg
>
> No words can convey how sad I am to hear of your loss.
>
> Beautiful photograph.
>
> Malcolm
>
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My Wife, Marlene

[Bipin Gupta]

It was a blessing Paul that pretty Marlene was with you for 45 beautiful years.
And that she left for her heavenly abode peacefully is God's blessing
and your good deeds.

We pray that the Lord give you strength to bear the great loss and to
help you fill the
emptiness in your life.

May the Force be with you.
Bipin
camp: Bangalore, India.

PS: That photo of Marlene was pretty endearing. What a wonderful angelic face.

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