Re: PESOx2: HITTEFEES (Wrap up)

[Alan C]

Thanks to all who looked & commented. My mate, Gert, needed 7 stiches in 
that gash on his right knee.
There were a few spills at that sty/bridge. Some riders were so knackered 
they dismounted & walked across.


Ken, it looks OK on my lap top though some fill flash would have helped.

Alan C

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On Jun 28, 2016, at 6:25 AM, Mark C  wrote:

Both shots are excellent but the one with the two cyclists rally stands 
out to my eye - super sense of action there!


Yeah, what he said.

Not so warm here... it doesn't help that half the house is unheatable due to 
renovation work and I'm running out of places to shift furniture.


Cheers,
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Re: PESO - Goat's Beard Seed head

[Alan C]

So delicate. Most people wouldn't even notice. Well done, Mark.

Alan C

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http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/goat-s-beard

or on Flickr:

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Re: PESOx2: HITTEFEES

[David Mann]

On Jun 28, 2016, at 6:25 AM, Mark C  wrote:

> Both shots are excellent but the one with the two cyclists rally stands out 
> to my eye - super sense of action there!

Yeah, what he said.

Not so warm here... it doesn't help that half the house is unheatable due to 
renovation work and I'm running out of places to shift furniture.

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Re: PESO - Goat's Beard Seed head

[Gonz]

Gorgeous.  I love pics of plants like this.  I took a similar one of a
dandelion with an iPhone and a magnifying glass which I thought came
out pretty nice.  Here:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFFIdrIuSFG/?taken-by=rgonzomatic=en



On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> Very nice!
>
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>> On Jun 27, 2016, at 11:09 PM, Mark C  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Ken!
>>
>>> On 6/27/2016 4:49 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
>>> Simply exquisite Mark !
>>> My kind of image.
>>>
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Re: PESO - Goat's Beard Seed head

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Very nice!

Paul via phone

> On Jun 27, 2016, at 11:09 PM, Mark C  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Ken!
> 
>> On 6/27/2016 4:49 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
>> Simply exquisite Mark !
>> My kind of image.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
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>>> 
>>> http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/goat-s-beard
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Re: PESO - Goat's Beard Seed head

[Mark C]

Thanks, Ken!

On 6/27/2016 4:49 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

Simply exquisite Mark !
My kind of image.


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Re: PESO - Goat's Beard Seed head

[Mark C]

Thanks, Dan!

On 6/27/2016 4:41 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

That is a lovely, ethereal abstract image, Mark,  I love it.


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On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Mark C  wrote:


http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/goat-s-beard

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PESO hoofing it

[Paul Stenquist]

Shot some horses today for a friend. Fun time.

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Re: OT: BREXIT !

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> On Jun 27, 2016, at 9:52 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> 
> Just imagine who's finger you would want on the nuclear launch button.  Bob S.

Uh oh, this is gettin’ serious.

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Re: OT: BREXIT !

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Just imagine who's finger you would want on the nuclear launch button.  Bob S.

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> There is no absolute truth, Bill, and Ken is entitled to his position. 
> Hillary is far from an ideal presidential candidate, although I personally 
> prefer her sleaziness to the recklessness of Trump. But by a narrow margin. 
> I’ll probably hold my nose and vote for her. She is smarter than Trump, In my 
> opinion. Poliifact is not a source of truth. It’s deeply biased. Facts are 
> elusive.
> http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2013/05/28/study-finds-fact-checkers-biased-against-republicans
>> On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:16 PM, Bill  wrote:
>> On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:16 PM, Bill  wrote:
>>
>> On 6/27/2016 6:09 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
 Hope trumps all.
>>>
>>> But a liars pantsuit will eventually catch on fire.
>>>
>>> Besides WHAT difference does it make ?
>>
>> You should check politifact before you make yourself look like you don't 
>> know the facts.
>>
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>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
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>>> - Original Message - From: "Bill" 
>>> Subject: Re: OT: BREXIT !
>>>
>>>
 On 6/27/2016 5:48 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
> Should I still be hopeful?

 Hope trumps all.
>
> J
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 27, 2016, at 4:35 PM, Bill  wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/27/2016 1:14 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
>>> Well, I hope I'm not blamed for whomever is put in power next
>>> November!
>>
>> Choose wisely.
>>>
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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[John]

On 6/27/2016 7:09 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Stanley Halpin wrote:


On Jun 27, 2016, at 4:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Bipin Gupta  wrote:


the Romans were a highly evolved, advanced
and a cultured lot - read civilization before Christ


Of course, almost all of their culture was borrowed or stolen from the
Greeks, who invented it when the Romans were still barbarians.


And they borrowed from the Phoenicians who got it from the Egyptians who got
it from the aliens who built their pyramids for them while waiting for
repairs to their spacecraft…


And they got it from this strange guy in a police box.




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Re: OT: BREXIT !

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There is no absolute truth, Bill, and Ken is entitled to his position. Hillary 
is far from an ideal presidential candidate, although I personally prefer her 
sleaziness to the recklessness of Trump. But by a narrow margin. I’ll probably 
hold my nose and vote for her. She is smarter than Trump, In my opinion. 
Poliifact is not a source of truth. It’s deeply biased. Facts are elusive.
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2013/05/28/study-finds-fact-checkers-biased-against-republicans
> On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:16 PM, Bill  wrote:
> On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:16 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> On 6/27/2016 6:09 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
>>> Hope trumps all.
>> 
>> But a liars pantsuit will eventually catch on fire.
>> 
>> Besides WHAT difference does it make ?
> 
> You should check politifact before you make yourself look like you don't know 
> the facts.
> 
>> 
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Bill" 
>> Subject: Re: OT: BREXIT !
>> 
>> 
>>> On 6/27/2016 5:48 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
 Should I still be hopeful?
>>> 
>>> Hope trumps all.
 
 J
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jun 27, 2016, at 4:35 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
>> On 6/27/2016 1:14 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
>> Well, I hope I'm not blamed for whomever is put in power next
>> November!
> 
> Choose wisely.
>> 
>> 
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Re: OT: BREXIT !

[Bill]

On 6/27/2016 6:09 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

Hope trumps all.


But a liars pantsuit will eventually catch on fire.

Besides WHAT difference does it make ?


You should check politifact before you make yourself look like you don't 
know the facts.




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- Original Message - From: "Bill" 
Subject: Re: OT: BREXIT !



On 6/27/2016 5:48 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

Should I still be hopeful?


Hope trumps all.


J

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 27, 2016, at 4:35 PM, Bill  wrote:


On 6/27/2016 1:14 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
Well, I hope I'm not blamed for whomever is put in power next
November!


Choose wisely.






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OT Peso's A day in the life.....

[David J Brooks]

Took the grand dude to a pony farm on Sunday with his mom and friend.
A few shots from the trip.

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Goat busters.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18251590
The chicken squat.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18251592
Old skidoo was the biggest hit of the day to play with

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Obligatory cow selfie.

Fuji X30 straight from camera

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Re: OT: BREXIT !

[Ken Waller]

Hope trumps all.


But a liars pantsuit will eventually catch on fire.

Besides WHAT difference does it make ?

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- Original Message - 
From: "Bill" 

Subject: Re: OT: BREXIT !



On 6/27/2016 5:48 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

Should I still be hopeful?


Hope trumps all.


J

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 27, 2016, at 4:35 PM, Bill  wrote:


On 6/27/2016 1:14 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
Well, I hope I'm not blamed for whomever is put in power next November!


Choose wisely.



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Re: OT: BREXIT !

[Jack Davis]

So, you finally found a way to get
that (shudder) word in. Whoopie!!
J


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> On Jun 27, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
>> On 6/27/2016 5:48 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
>> Should I still be hopeful?
> 
> Hope trumps all.
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jun 27, 2016, at 4:35 PM, Bill  wrote:
 
 On 6/27/2016 1:14 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
 Well, I hope I'm not blamed for whomever is put in power next November!
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Re: OT: BREXIT !

[Bill]

On 6/27/2016 5:48 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

Should I still be hopeful?


Hope trumps all.


J

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 27, 2016, at 4:35 PM, Bill  wrote:


On 6/27/2016 1:14 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
Well, I hope I'm not blamed for whomever is put in power next November!


Choose wisely.


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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

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On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 7:02 PM, Stanley Halpin  wrote:

> And they borrowed from the Phoenicians who got it from the Egyptians who
> got it from the aliens who built their pyramids for them while waiting for
> repairs to their spacecraft…


Not really.  In a couple of hundred years, the Greeks invented most of the
basic concepts of science, philosophy, and politics.

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Re: OT: BREXIT !

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Should I still be hopeful?

J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 27, 2016, at 4:35 PM, Bill  wrote:
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>> On 6/27/2016 1:14 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[Bill]

Rottweilers. They gave us Rottweilers.


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Re: OT: BREXIT !

[Bill]

On 6/27/2016 5:39 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

Who paid for the wall?


We made the English pay for it in wimmen.



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Subject: Re: OT: BREXIT !



On 6/27/2016 8:42 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Bill wrote:


On 6/27/2016 12:48 AM, Jostein Øksne wrote:

We all tried our best, didn't we?


We tried, not sure if we succeeded. Those damned Romans really tried to
bugger things.


What have the Romans ever done for us?




We built a wall to keep the sumbiches out so they wouldn't get to do
anything for us.






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Re: BREXIT !

[Bill]

On 6/27/2016 10:32 AM, Alan C wrote:

& much, much more. The Romans left an astonishing legacy. In fact, the
whole structure of British (& much of European) society.



This isn't a true story, though it is strange enough that it could be:


The US standard railroad gauge (distance between
the rails) is 4 feet, 8.5 inches. That’s an
exceedingly odd number.

Why was that gauge used?

Because that’s the way they built them in England,
and English expatriates built the US Railroads.

Why did the English build them like that?

Because the first rail lines were built by the
same people who built the pre-railroad tramways, and
that’s the gauge they used.

Why did “they” use that gauge then?

Because the people who built the tramways used
the same jigs and tools that they used for building
wagons, which used that wheel spacing.

Okay! Why did the wagons have that particular
odd wheel spacing?

Well, if they tried to use any other spacing,
the wagon wheels would break on some of the old,
long distance roads in England, because that’s
the spacing of the wheel ruts.

So who built those old rutted roads?

Imperial Rome built the first long distance
roads in Europe (and England) for their legions. The
roads have been used ever since.

And the ruts in the roads?

Roman war chariots formed the initial ruts,
which everyone else had to match for fear of
destroying their wagon wheels.
Since the chariots were made for Imperial Rome, they
were all alike in the matter of wheel spacing.

The United States standard railroad gauge of 4
feet, 8.5 inches is derived from the original
specifications for an Imperial Roman war chariot.
And bureaucracies live forever. So the next time you
are handed a specification and wonder what horse’s
ass came up with it, you may be exactly right,
because the Imperial Roman war chariots were made
just wide enough to accommodate the back ends of two
war horses. Now the twist to the story…

When you see a Space Shuttle sitting on its
launch pad, there are two big booster rockets
attached to the sides of the main fuel tank. These
are solid rocket boosters, or SRBs. The SRBs are
made by Thiokol at their factory at Utah. The
engineers who designed the SRBs would have preferred
to make them a bit fatter, but the SRBs had to
be shipped by train from the factory to the launch
site. The railroad line from the factory happens to
run through a tunnel in the mountains. The SRBs had
to fit through that tunnel. The tunnel is slightly
wider than the railroad track, and the railroad
track, as you now know, is about as wide as two
horses’ behinds.

So, a major Space Shuttle design feature of what
is arguably the world’s most advanced transportation
system was determined over two thousand years ago by
the width of a horse’s ass. … and you thought
being a HORSE’S ASS wasn’t important!

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Re: OT: BREXIT !

[Ken Waller]

Who paid for the wall?

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Subject: Re: OT: BREXIT !



On 6/27/2016 8:42 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Bill wrote:


On 6/27/2016 12:48 AM, Jostein Øksne wrote:

We all tried our best, didn't we?


We tried, not sure if we succeeded. Those damned Romans really tried to
bugger things.


What have the Romans ever done for us?




We built a wall to keep the sumbiches out so they wouldn't get to do 
anything for us.



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Re: OT: BREXIT !

[Bill]

On 6/27/2016 1:14 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

Well, I hope I'm not blamed for whomever is put in power next November!



Choose wisely.


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Re: OT: BREXIT !

[Bill]

On 6/27/2016 8:42 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Bill wrote:


On 6/27/2016 12:48 AM, Jostein Øksne wrote:

We all tried our best, didn't we?


We tried, not sure if we succeeded. Those damned Romans really tried to
bugger things.


What have the Romans ever done for us?




We built a wall to keep the sumbiches out so they wouldn't get to do 
anything for us.


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Re: PESO: Early GoPro prototype?

[Bill]

On 6/27/2016 5:15 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Spotted this in a shop in Portobello Road, London.
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/7e001303.jpg





We thought we were so clever in those days.

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PESO: Early GoPro prototype?

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Spotted this in a shop in Portobello Road, London.
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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[Mark Roberts]

Stanley Halpin wrote:

>> On Jun 27, 2016, at 4:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
>> 
>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Bipin Gupta  wrote:
>> 
>>> the Romans were a highly evolved, advanced
>>> and a cultured lot - read civilization before Christ
>> 
>> Of course, almost all of their culture was borrowed or stolen from the
>> Greeks, who invented it when the Romans were still barbarians.
>
>And they borrowed from the Phoenicians who got it from the Egyptians who got 
>it from the aliens who built their pyramids for them while waiting for 
>repairs to their spacecraft…

And they got it from this strange guy in a police box.
 
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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[Stanley Halpin]

> On Jun 27, 2016, at 4:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Bipin Gupta  wrote:
> 
>> the Romans were a highly evolved, advanced
>> and a cultured lot - read civilization before Christ
>> 
> 
> Of course, almost all of their culture was borrowed or stolen from the
> Greeks, who invented it when the Romans were still barbarians.
> 
> 

And they borrowed from the Phoenicians who got it from the Egyptians who got it 
from the aliens who built their pyramids for them while waiting for repairs to 
their spacecraft…

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Re: GESO: Swan Lake (Lagoon?)

[Nicole Jacque]

Thanks!

I don’t know if it was technically a lagoon or not, but it was a small body of 
water separated from the ocean.  I didn’t follow it far enough along to see if 
it connected with the ocean farther down or not.

I didn’t have a very wide angle lens, but I just counted 29 swans in one 
picture, which doesn’t cover all of the area.  It was quite thick with them.


> On Jun 25, 2016, at 7:18 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> Nice images, Nicole.
> 
> was that really a lagoon?  South Jersey in general, and Ca[e May Point in
> particular, are over-run with mute swans.  They are displacing native
> species, and that causes great concerns, as Cape May is a birding hot spot.
> 
> I have seen swans in Lake Lilly and Lighthouse Lake, but never that many.
> 
> Good work in any event.
> 
> 
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> 
> On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 9:28 PM, Nicole Jacque  wrote:
> 
>> One last set of photos from my New Jersey trip.  While in Cape May, I
>> stumbled across a lagoon that had about 50 swans in it.  Luckily I caught a
>> glimpse of them through the bushes, or I would have gone right on by…
>> 
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHskCegaHg
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Re: OT: BREXIT !

[Jostein Øksne]

Lo and behold, the second surprising Brexit this week. Looks like it's catching 
on! :-) 
Jostein 

Den 24. juni 2016 06.17.50 CEST, skrev "Daniel J. Matyola" 
:
>I am more than a little surprised at the result.
>
>I don't know if it a good thing or a bad thing, ;  That's for the
>British
>to decide for themselves.
>
>Good luck with all that.
>
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Re: OT: BREXIT !

[Bob Sullivan]

Amen to that!

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> Well, I hope I'm not blamed for whomever is put in power next November!
>
> J
>
> - Original Message -
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> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
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> Subject: Re: OT: BREXIT !
>
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 10:57 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>
>> Hanged Bonito Mussolini!
>
>
> They also put him in power.
>
>
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Question about the new 24-70 and 70-200 D FA lenses

[Stanley Halpin]

For those who have had these items in their hands, do the lens hoods have the 
removable “windows” on the bottom to allow easy access to polarizer filters? 
All of the images I can find of these lenses show top or side view only…

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Re: PESO - Goat's Beard Seed head

[Ken Waller]

Simply exquisite Mark !
My kind of image.


-Original Message-
>From: Mark C Subject: PESO - Goat's Beard Seed head
>
>http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/goat-s-beard
>
>or on Flickr:
>
>https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/27944601255/in/dateposted-public/
>
>Mz-S, DFA 100 F2.8, Ultrafine Xtreme 400 in D76 stock.
>
>Comments welcome.
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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Bipin Gupta  wrote:

> the Romans were a highly evolved, advanced
> and a cultured lot - read civilization before Christ
>

Of course, almost all of their culture was borrowed or stolen from the
Greeks, who invented it when the Romans were still barbarians.



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Re: PESO - Goat's Beard Seed head

[Daniel J. Matyola]

That is a lovely, ethereal abstract image, Mark,  I love it.


Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Mark C  wrote:

> http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/goat-s-beard
>
> or on Flickr:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/27944601255/in/dateposted-public/
>
> Mz-S, DFA 100 F2.8, Ultrafine Xtreme 400 in D76 stock.
>
> Comments welcome.
>
> Mark
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PESO - Goat's Beard Seed head

[Mark C]

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/goat-s-beard

or on Flickr:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/markcassino/27944601255/in/dateposted-public/

Mz-S, DFA 100 F2.8, Ultrafine Xtreme 400 in D76 stock.

Comments welcome.

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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[Mark Roberts]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9foi342LXQE
 
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Re: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[Alan C]

You're forgetting Krypton!

Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Bipin Gupta

Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 9:32 PM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

Hello Mark, when much of Europe were still in the dark ages, wore
animal skin and were wild, the Romans were a highly evolved, advanced
and a cultured lot - read civilization before Christ (BC).

They "tamed" much of "wild Europe & Britannia". Brought modern skills
and knowledge - astronomy, architecture, the arts & drama.

Of course the only other Civilization more advanced then was the Indus
Valley Civilization & India.

Regards.
Bipin
from the IT Capital of the world - Bangalore.

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BREXIT ! & What have the Romans ever done for us?

[Bipin Gupta]

Hello Mark, when much of Europe were still in the dark ages, wore
animal skin and were wild, the Romans were a highly evolved, advanced
and a cultured lot - read civilization before Christ (BC).

They "tamed" much of "wild Europe & Britannia". Brought modern skills
and knowledge - astronomy, architecture, the arts & drama.

Of course the only other Civilization more advanced then was the Indus
Valley Civilization & India.

Regards.
Bipin
from the IT Capital of the world - Bangalore.

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Re: BREXIT !

[John]

Does that mean "You can always tell a Dane, but you can't tell him 
much!" 8-D


On 6/27/2016 2:26 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Alan C  wrote:


They learnt it from the Roman too.



I see nothing in that article to indicate that the Danes learned much of
anything from the Romans.  Certainly, there was trade, and warfare, but
nothing to indicate that the structure or civilization of the Danes was in
any sense "Romaqn."

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Re: OT: BREXIT !

[Jack Davis]

Well, I hope I'm not blamed for whomever is put in power next November!

J

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Subject: Re: OT: BREXIT !

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 10:57 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:

> Hanged Bonito Mussolini!


They also put him in power.


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Re: Peso-Princeton Silos

[Jack Davis]

Thanks, Mark C.!
Valued remarks!
J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 27, 2016, at 11:43 AM, Mark C  wrote:
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> Nice - the simple and functional geometry of the silos makes an interesting 
> subject.
> 
> 
>> On 6/25/2016 4:44 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
>> 
>> I'll not attempt to justify posting this but, say that I was struck by it's 
>> stately alabaster presence.
>> The small tree on the right is included for the opposite reason.
>> I was surprised by this as I came upon it near the tiny village of 
>> Princeton, CA..
>> 
>> K-3, DA16-45 f/4
>> 
>> Comments welcomed!
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1072
>> 
>> 
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Re: Peso-Princeton Silos

[Mark C]

Nice - the simple and functional geometry of the silos makes an 
interesting subject.



On 6/25/2016 4:44 PM, Jack Davis wrote:


I'll not attempt to justify posting this but, say that I was struck by it's 
stately alabaster presence.
The small tree on the right is included for the opposite reason.
I was surprised by this as I came upon it near the tiny village of Princeton, 
CA..

K-3, DA16-45 f/4

Comments welcomed!

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Re: BREXIT !

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On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Alan C  wrote:

> They learnt it from the Roman too.


I see nothing in that article to indicate that the Danes learned much of
anything from the Romans.  Certainly, there was trade, and warfare, but
nothing to indicate that the structure or civilization of the Danes was in
any sense "Romaqn."

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Re: PESOx2: HITTEFEES

[Mark C]

Both shots are excellent but the one with the two cyclists rally stands 
out to my eye - super sense of action there!


The look very good on my screen - looks like the light was quite 
contrasty but it is well controlled.


If you PESO'd the giraffes in the following shot of your photo stream I 
missed it - those are fabulous!


Mark

On 6/27/2016 3:17 AM, Alan C wrote:
Phalaborwa Cycling Club organised MB races on Sat. as part of the 
annual Hittefees. ("Heat Festival" because Phalaborwa is still quite 
hot compared to the rest of SA at this time of the year). The 70km 
race was graced by the presence of two top riders from Jo'burg, Max 
Knox (the SA MB champion) & Gordon Gilbert. This pair finished about 
10km ahead of the first local rider. Here they are at about half way:


https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/27897832066/

My mate, Gert Rabie, soldiering on near the back of the field after a 
bad fall:


https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/27932053225/

K7 with the HD 55-300


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Re: K-1 and ISO invariance

[Larry Colen]

Gonz wrote:

The second set (k20) appears to be the wrong set.


oops,

It should be
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157625430541230
or
http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157625430541230

Igor might be interested in the set I accidentally sent:
http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157625430541230

It is photos from dancing on Thursday night, after noise reduction was 
applied.





On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

I've been exploring the K-1 and night photography lately.  This set was shot
in the same place, on two different nights. The first night there was a half
moon that had risen a couple hours previously, the second night there was no
light from the moon, but a lot more light from hwy 17 lighting the
foreground.  They were actually two nights apart, it's just that the first
night was after midnight so the dates only show one day difference:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157670122716326

If you look at the exif data:

http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157670122716326

By way of comparison, here are some photos taken with the K20 at the same
spot, late at night.  The mists made the scene a bit more photogenic.

http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157625430541230

You will see that after post processing it is nearly impossible to tell
apart two shots with the same exposure apart from ISO.  I don't know why I
can see the milky way in the first set, but not the second set, perhaps it
hadn't moved into the scene yet because that is exactly the opposite of what
I expected.

On one hand, this means that if your post processing software could handle
it, you could shoot at base ISO all of the time, and almost never clip your
highlights.  However, since lightroom does not handle more than 5EV
gracefully, there is also little to no downside to pushing the ISO hard
enough to see what you need to see (so long as you don't clip highlights).

I was shooting way under exposed last night so as not to blow out the
colored lights behind the band I was shooting. The problem was that the
people in the foreground were so dark, I couldn't see anything useful on the
display.

I would love to see a paradigm shift in cameras used by people who shoot in
raw.  The ability to always shoot at base ISO (not the requirement, but the
ability), and to have an equivalent to ISO control, simply control the
brightness of the preview jpeg.  Ideally, being able to adjust it in camera
while you're looking at it.
The histogram would, of course, report the raw data, ideally also showing a
number with the percentage of clipped pixels in each channel.
I'd love to see some sort of number showing SNR in the shadows as well.

The only photos of any artistic merit are the ones of the fir trees at the
end.  They were well lit by the headlights on the hwy.  There are some weird
effects where they have more illumination in some shots than others. It may
have something to do with traffic patterns, though it didn't seem to vary
that much over 20 second time spans at the time.

For people who know the area, I took the bear creek / Black Road exit, and
doubled back to Montevina road. I parked at a little pullout there and
walked a hundred yards/meters or so back towards the exit to get a better
view of the lagoon.

BTW, I'm still waiting for a chance to try my luck with M31.  I haven't had
both a clear view of it and a long lens.  It seems to be rising pretty late
at night, usually after the moon.


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Re: BREXIT !

[Alan C]

They learnt it from the Roman too.

http://romandanes.blogspot.co.za/2006/08/denmark-and-roman-empire.html

Alan C

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On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Alan C  wrote:


The Romans left an astonishing legacy. In fact, the whole structure of
British (& much of European) society.



Well, the Danes left an "astonishing legacy: as well, in terms of
structure, language and culture.

The first great literary work produced in England, takes place entirely in
Denmark, as does arguably the greatest English literary work, Hamlet.

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Re: OT: BREXIT !

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On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 10:57 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:

> Hanged Bonito Mussolini!


They also put him in power.


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Re: BREXIT !

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On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Alan C  wrote:

> The Romans left an astonishing legacy. In fact, the whole structure of
> British (& much of European) society.


Well, the Danes left an "astonishing legacy: as well, in terms of
structure, language and culture.

The first great literary work produced in England, takes place entirely in
Denmark, as does arguably the greatest English literary work, Hamlet.

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Re: BREXIT !

[Alan C]

& much, much more. The Romans left an astonishing legacy. In fact, the whole 
structure of British (& much of European) society.


Alan C

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Romans.  Plumbing and sewers.  Bob S.

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Mark Roberts
 wrote:

Bill wrote:


On 6/27/2016 12:48 AM, Jostein Øksne wrote:

We all tried our best, didn't we?


We tried, not sure if we succeeded. Those damned Romans really tried to
bugger things.


What have the Romans ever done for us?

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Re: OT: BREXIT !

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Romans.  Plumbing and sewers.  Bob S.

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Mark Roberts
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> Bill wrote:
>
>>On 6/27/2016 12:48 AM, Jostein Øksne wrote:
>>> We all tried our best, didn't we?
>>
>>We tried, not sure if we succeeded. Those damned Romans really tried to
>>bugger things.
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Re: K-1 and ISO invariance

[Gonz]

The second set (k20) appears to be the wrong set.


On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> I've been exploring the K-1 and night photography lately.  This set was shot
> in the same place, on two different nights. The first night there was a half
> moon that had risen a couple hours previously, the second night there was no
> light from the moon, but a lot more light from hwy 17 lighting the
> foreground.  They were actually two nights apart, it's just that the first
> night was after midnight so the dates only show one day difference:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157670122716326
>
> If you look at the exif data:
>
> http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157670122716326
>
> By way of comparison, here are some photos taken with the K20 at the same
> spot, late at night.  The mists made the scene a bit more photogenic.
>
> http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157625430541230
>
> You will see that after post processing it is nearly impossible to tell
> apart two shots with the same exposure apart from ISO.  I don't know why I
> can see the milky way in the first set, but not the second set, perhaps it
> hadn't moved into the scene yet because that is exactly the opposite of what
> I expected.
>
> On one hand, this means that if your post processing software could handle
> it, you could shoot at base ISO all of the time, and almost never clip your
> highlights.  However, since lightroom does not handle more than 5EV
> gracefully, there is also little to no downside to pushing the ISO hard
> enough to see what you need to see (so long as you don't clip highlights).
>
> I was shooting way under exposed last night so as not to blow out the
> colored lights behind the band I was shooting. The problem was that the
> people in the foreground were so dark, I couldn't see anything useful on the
> display.
>
> I would love to see a paradigm shift in cameras used by people who shoot in
> raw.  The ability to always shoot at base ISO (not the requirement, but the
> ability), and to have an equivalent to ISO control, simply control the
> brightness of the preview jpeg.  Ideally, being able to adjust it in camera
> while you're looking at it.
> The histogram would, of course, report the raw data, ideally also showing a
> number with the percentage of clipped pixels in each channel.
> I'd love to see some sort of number showing SNR in the shadows as well.
>
> The only photos of any artistic merit are the ones of the fir trees at the
> end.  They were well lit by the headlights on the hwy.  There are some weird
> effects where they have more illumination in some shots than others. It may
> have something to do with traffic patterns, though it didn't seem to vary
> that much over 20 second time spans at the time.
>
> For people who know the area, I took the bear creek / Black Road exit, and
> doubled back to Montevina road. I parked at a little pullout there and
> walked a hundred yards/meters or so back towards the exit to get a better
> view of the lagoon.
>
> BTW, I'm still waiting for a chance to try my luck with M31.  I haven't had
> both a clear view of it and a long lens.  It seems to be rising pretty late
> at night, usually after the moon.
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Re: OT: BREXIT !

[Jack Davis]

Hanged Bonito Mussolini!
J

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> On Jun 27, 2016, at 7:42 AM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> Bill wrote:
> 
>>> On 6/27/2016 12:48 AM, Jostein Øksne wrote:
>>> We all tried our best, didn't we?
>> 
>> We tried, not sure if we succeeded. Those damned Romans really tried to 
>> bugger things.
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Re: PESO - Branford Point, In Memoriam

[Mark Stringer]

I offer my belated sympathy.  I lost my mother in 2010. I miss her 
always! She was 96 and well right up to her stroke.


She was a good woman and Saints fan and I knew she had pull with the 
Lord.  In a moment of levity, I asked her to see if she couldn't help 
the Saints win a Superbowl before she passed on Feb 4.  On Feb 7 the 
Saints won Superbowl XLIV.


Her memorial service was three weeks later (she was cremated).  Often 
there aren't many attendees to the funeral of an old person.  The church 
was full.  All ages too.  She was a retired teacher and active in the 
church.  Several of our family members are musicians and vocalists and 
all performed.  It was a very entertaining service.

She would have loved it and maybe she did.

Seriously, you have my sincere condolences.

Stringer

On 6/24/2016 12:39 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

My mother died peacefully last Thursday at an excellent hospice in Branford, 
very near where I took this photo.

To her I owe my love of choral singing, canoes, mountain lakes, hiking, 
cooking... and so, so much more. A onetime sketch and watercolor artist, she 
always encouraged my photography, and had several of my prints hanging in her 
apartment.

Her spirit is everywhere, yet I miss her.

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Re: OT: BREXIT !

[Mark Roberts]

Bill wrote:

>On 6/27/2016 12:48 AM, Jostein Øksne wrote:
>> We all tried our best, didn't we?
>
>We tried, not sure if we succeeded. Those damned Romans really tried to 
>bugger things.

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Re: OT: BREXIT !

[Mark Stringer]

I don't have an opinion but I have enjoyed this thread immensely!

On 6/23/2016 11:17 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I am more than a little surprised at the result.

I don't know if it a good thing or a bad thing, ;  That's for the British
to decide for themselves.

Good luck with all that.

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Re: PESOx2: HITTEFEES

[Ken Waller]

Nice action shots, tho I'd prefer a little less dark on my monitor.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Alan C" 

Subject: PESOx2: HITTEFEES


Phalaborwa Cycling Club organised MB races on Sat. as part of the annual 
Hittefees. ("Heat Festival" because Phalaborwa is still quite hot compared 
to the rest of SA at this time of the year). The 70km race was graced by 
the presence of two top riders from Jo'burg, Max Knox (the SA MB champion) 
& Gordon Gilbert. This pair finished about 10km ahead of the first local 
rider. Here they are at about half way:


https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/27897832066/

My mate, Gert Rabie, soldiering on near the back of the field after a bad 
fall:


https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/27932053225/

K7 with the HD 55-300


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Re: OT: BREXIT !

[Bill]

On 6/27/2016 12:48 AM, Jostein Øksne wrote:

We all tried our best, didn't we?


We tried, not sure if we succeeded. Those damned Romans really tried to 
bugger things.




Jostein

Den 27. juni 2016 02.48.36 CEST, skrev Bill :

On 6/26/2016 5:07 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:




The Scots on the other hand  ;-)


On 24/6/16, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:



Will keep pillaging the Sassenach for their wives.


Great way of watering down the Scottish gene pool !!


We look at it as improving the English gene pool.





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Re: PESOx2: HITTEFEES

[Jack Davis]

That K-7 is still producing clear, bright images in your hands,  Alan!
J

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> On Jun 27, 2016, at 12:17 AM, Alan C  wrote:
> 
> Phalaborwa Cycling Club organised MB races on Sat. as part of the annual 
> Hittefees. ("Heat Festival" because Phalaborwa is still quite hot compared to 
> the rest of SA at this time of the year). The 70km race was graced by the 
> presence of two top riders from Jo'burg, Max Knox (the SA MB champion) & 
> Gordon Gilbert. This pair finished about 10km ahead of the first local rider. 
> Here they are at about half way:
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/27897832066/
> 
> My mate, Gert Rabie, soldiering on near the back of the field after a bad 
> fall:
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/27932053225/
> 
> K7 with the HD 55-300
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Re: PESO: Nine-spotted moth

[Jack Davis]

Really well composed, sharp image
With beautiful markings,  Toine!
J



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> Very interesting moth, nicely portrayed.
> 
> 
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>> On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 3:42 PM, Toine  wrote:
>> 
>> A day active moth. It used to be as rare as hen's teeth and now it's
>> everywhere.
>> Dutch name translates as milk drop.
>> 
>> http://www.repiuk.nl/albums/new/content/melkdrupje/
>> Or 500px if my site is off-line: https://500px.com/photo/160406255
>> 
>> Q7 and 06 lens with raynox 150. Total weight 350g :)
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Re: PESOx2: HITTEFEES

[Paul Stenquist]

Excellent shots.

Paul via phone

> On Jun 27, 2016, at 4:47 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Alan C wrote:
>> Phalaborwa Cycling Club organised MB races on Sat. as part of the annual
>> Hittefees. ("Heat Festival" because Phalaborwa is still quite hot
>> compared to the rest of SA at this time of the year). The 70km race was
>> graced by the presence of two top riders from Jo'burg, Max Knox (the SA
>> MB champion) & Gordon Gilbert. This pair finished about 10km ahead of
>> the first local rider. Here they are at about half way:
>> 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/27897832066/
>> 
>> My mate, Gert Rabie, soldiering on near the back of the field after a
>> bad fall:
>> 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/27932053225/
>> 
>> K7 with the HD 55-300
> 
> Great job on both photos.
> 
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>> 
>> 
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Re: PESOx2: HITTEFEES

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Alan C wrote:

Phalaborwa Cycling Club organised MB races on Sat. as part of the annual
Hittefees. ("Heat Festival" because Phalaborwa is still quite hot
compared to the rest of SA at this time of the year). The 70km race was
graced by the presence of two top riders from Jo'burg, Max Knox (the SA
MB champion) & Gordon Gilbert. This pair finished about 10km ahead of
the first local rider. Here they are at about half way:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/27897832066/

My mate, Gert Rabie, soldiering on near the back of the field after a
bad fall:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/27932053225/

K7 with the HD 55-300


Great job on both photos.





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PESOx2: HITTEFEES

[Alan C]

Phalaborwa Cycling Club organised MB races on Sat. as part of the annual 
Hittefees. ("Heat Festival" because Phalaborwa is still quite hot compared 
to the rest of SA at this time of the year). The 70km race was graced by the 
presence of two top riders from Jo'burg, Max Knox (the SA MB champion) & 
Gordon Gilbert. This pair finished about 10km ahead of the first local 
rider. Here they are at about half way:


https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/27897832066/

My mate, Gert Rabie, soldiering on near the back of the field after a bad 
fall:


https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/27932053225/

K7 with the HD 55-300


Alan C 



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Re: OT: BREXIT !

[Jostein Øksne]

We all tried our best, didn't we? 
Jostein 

Den 27. juni 2016 02.48.36 CEST, skrev Bill :
>On 6/26/2016 5:07 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:
>>
>>
 The Scots on the other hand  ;-)

>> On 24/6/16, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:

>>> Will keep pillaging the Sassenach for their wives.
>>
>> Great way of watering down the Scottish gene pool !!
>>
>We look at it as improving the English gene pool.

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Re: BREXIT !

[Larry Colen]

John wrote:

On 6/26/2016 10:15 PM, Bill wrote:

On 6/26/2016 8:14 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

Cattle isn't spelled "girls".


You are talking about the Welsh.



Yeah, Scotland has sheep!


It depends a bit on what part of Scotland. In many areas my 
understanding is that they tend a lot more towards cattle, a rather 
short and scruffy looking breed of cattle, but cattle nonetheless. A 
bunch of my ancestors by the name of MacGregor got in a wee bit of 
trouble with the English because they didn't see any reason why they 
should give up the time honored sport of cattle raids.


There is also the old question of why the Scots tend to raise cattle, 
and the Irish sheep. Because on average the Scots are just a bit taller.




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