Camera Store best and worst

[Larry Colen]

This video won't be to everybody's taste, they discuss the best and 
worst of the year, while getting drunk:

http://petapixel.com/2016/12/20/selecting-best-worst-camera-gear-2016-getting-drunk/

Pentax K-1 mentioned at about 12 minutes into the video, the 15-30 is 
about 19 minutes in.



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Re: OSX and externals

[steve harley]

On 2016-12-20 8:57 , David J Brooks wrote:

Just bought and installed a Seagate 1TB external that was on sale for
$89 Canadian. It says it will work on Macs with out having to reformat
by downloading and installing a program from Seagate which i did. Does
anyone else go this route or do you just reformat the drive


you wisely reformatted the drive — hopefully as "Mac OS Extended (Journaled)"

but the implied question is why would a Mac user want to use Seagate's NTFS 
driver? the answer is if you need a drive that you can plug into both a 
Windows machine and a Mac, NTFS can do it, but since it requires a 
third-party driver on Macs, you'd always have to be wary of OS X updates 
causing problems with the driver; i also would expect that Disk Utility on 
the Mac would be unable to "repair" the drive when necessary, but if you 
have a Windows machine that might not matter


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Re: And an annual happy birthday to everyone

[P. J. Alling]

I think it's been spilled on the floor...


On 12/22/2016 8:29 PM, Gonz wrote:

The average age of PDML members is definitely going up.  Where is the
new blood!??


On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 2:51 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:


On Wed, Dec 21, 2016, at 07:43 AM, Jostein wrote:

My first is also in June -98. The URL in the gallery is wrong though. :-)


Not any more  :-)>



Cheers

Brian

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link in gallery: http://pug.komkon.org/jun98/jun7.htm
link should be:  http://pug.komkon.org/98jun/jun7.htm

A different version of that shot was also the first image I got into the
Premiere collection at the PPG, more than a decade later.

Jostein

Den 20.12.2016 21.06, skrev John Francis:

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 02:08:41PM -0500, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I just checked back and find that the first PUG I entered was in April
2000.  I know that it took me a few months to figure out how to scan my
prints for submission to the PUD, so I must have joined some time in early
2000.

As far as I can determine, Doug Brewer is the only member still around who
posted an image to the first PUG, in April 1997:

http://pug.komkon.org/archive/aprarchive.html

The first one of mine I can find is from June 1998

   http://pug.komkon.org/98jun/jun18.htm



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Re: And an annual happy birthday to everyone

[Bruce Walker]

On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
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> Paul via phone
>
> > On Dec 22, 2016, at 8:29 PM, Gonz  wrote:
> >
> > The average age of PDML members is definitely going up.  Where is the
> > new blood!??
> >
> Taking pics with their phones.

And not using email, which most of them have never heard of. And if
they have, they can't get past the text-only requirement.

The PDML has a pretty robust geezers-only firewall in place.

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Re: PT LR 4.4 and Epson 2400 printing

[Paul Stenquist]

Odd. I print on a Mac with two clicks and can almost always nail it with one 
attempt.

Paul via phone

> On Dec 22, 2016, at 8:15 PM, Zos Xavius  wrote:
> 
> At the very least you should be able to set custom sizes and select
> those. Its been an awful long time since I used an epson on a mac but
> I remember it being very similar to windows since it is using the
> printer driver for most of the choices. I also remember now how much I
> hated printing from macs. It was just so much easier on the PC side
> really.
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Re: And an annual happy birthday to everyone

[Paul Stenquist]

Paul via phone

> On Dec 22, 2016, at 8:29 PM, Gonz  wrote:
> 
> The average age of PDML members is definitely going up.  Where is the
> new blood!??
> 
Taking pics with their phones.
> 
>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 2:51 PM, Brian Walters  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016, at 07:43 AM, Jostein wrote:
>>> My first is also in June -98. The URL in the gallery is wrong though. :-)
>> 
>> 
>> Not any more  :-)>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Brian
>> 
>> ++
>> Brian Walters
>> Western Sydney Australia
>> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> link in gallery: http://pug.komkon.org/jun98/jun7.htm
>>> link should be:  http://pug.komkon.org/98jun/jun7.htm
>>> 
>>> A different version of that shot was also the first image I got into the
>>> Premiere collection at the PPG, more than a decade later.
>>> 
>>> Jostein
>>> 
>>> Den 20.12.2016 21.06, skrev John Francis:
 On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 02:08:41PM -0500, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> I just checked back and find that the first PUG I entered was in April
> 2000.  I know that it took me a few months to figure out how to scan my
> prints for submission to the PUD, so I must have joined some time in early
> 2000.
> 
> As far as I can determine, Doug Brewer is the only member still around who
> posted an image to the first PUG, in April 1997:
> 
> http://pug.komkon.org/archive/aprarchive.html
 
 The first one of mine I can find is from June 1998
 
  http://pug.komkon.org/98jun/jun18.htm
 
 
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Re: And an annual happy birthday to everyone

[Gonz]

The average age of PDML members is definitely going up.  Where is the
new blood!??


On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 2:51 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016, at 07:43 AM, Jostein wrote:
>> My first is also in June -98. The URL in the gallery is wrong though. :-)
>
>
> Not any more  :-)>
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Brian
>
> ++
> Brian Walters
> Western Sydney Australia
> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
>
>
>
>
>> link in gallery: http://pug.komkon.org/jun98/jun7.htm
>> link should be:  http://pug.komkon.org/98jun/jun7.htm
>>
>> A different version of that shot was also the first image I got into the
>> Premiere collection at the PPG, more than a decade later.
>>
>> Jostein
>>
>> Den 20.12.2016 21.06, skrev John Francis:
>> > On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 02:08:41PM -0500, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>> >> I just checked back and find that the first PUG I entered was in April
>> >> 2000.  I know that it took me a few months to figure out how to scan my
>> >> prints for submission to the PUD, so I must have joined some time in early
>> >> 2000.
>> >>
>> >> As far as I can determine, Doug Brewer is the only member still around who
>> >> posted an image to the first PUG, in April 1997:
>> >>
>> >> http://pug.komkon.org/archive/aprarchive.html
>> >
>> > The first one of mine I can find is from June 1998
>> >
>> >   http://pug.komkon.org/98jun/jun18.htm
>> >
>> >
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Re: PESO: The Scottish Girl

[Gonz]

Thanks everyone for looking.  I posted it then trucked off out of town
so I did not have the ability to respond until now.


On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 8:42 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> What Marco said
>
> ann (a partly Scottish girl)
>
>
>
> On 12/20/2016 2:04 PM, Marco Alpert wrote:
>>
>> Really lovely.
>>
>> - Marco
>>
>>> On Dec 20, 2016, at 10:31 AM, Gonz  wrote:
>>>
>>> Trying out a Cosina 50mm 1.2.  Has a warmer cast than the Pentax
>>> equivalent, but I really like the bokeh.
>>>
>>> wide open.
>>>
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>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/66982297@N02/31729602586/in/dateposted-public/
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Re: PT LR 4.4 and Epson 2400 printing

[Zos Xavius]

At the very least you should be able to set custom sizes and select
those. Its been an awful long time since I used an epson on a mac but
I remember it being very similar to windows since it is using the
printer driver for most of the choices. I also remember now how much I
hated printing from macs. It was just so much easier on the PC side
really.

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Season's Greetings!

[John Coyle]

To everyone on the group, and particularly all we met, Jan and I wish you all a 
Merry Christmas  and
a happy and successful New Year.
We're away now for a few days, with no email facility, but I'll catch up next 
week!


Jan  and John in Brisbane



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Re: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens

[Larry Colen]

John Francis wrote:

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 11:41:08AM -0500, John Francis wrote:

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 10:08:46AM +, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 17/12/16, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:


Going to full frame, I no longer have a lens for the k1 to fill the
niche of my 18-250, being reasonably long, if not particularly fast, but
will still fit in my camera bag and not weigh a ton.
The da 55-300, despite nominally being an aps lens seems to do ok on ff.
Is there anything even better, preferably not too expensive?

Just being a fly in your ointment for a minute - why would you consider
a lens of such sweeping focal length? Surely with the K1 having such a
good sensor, using what can only ever be an inferior lens (with such a
large zoom range) is counter-productive?

That's not always the case - back when I was regularly shooting motorsports
(on film ...) I was used to seeing a lot of the full-time photographers
using the Canon L 35-350, which was an amazingly good lens.  But that was
the exception (and by now I suspect modern digital sensors would point out
flaws in that lens that we didn't see when limited by film resolution).


It turns out that I was gifted a 55-300 for the holidays.  One thing 
that I didn't notice last weekend is that it does vignette between about 
100 and 200mm.




FWIW - back in those film days I picked up an FA 80-320 as my long-reach
lightweight carry-around (replacing a 100-300 which I never really liked).
It still seems to be fairly well thought of.  Furthermore, it would be
available on the same terms as my heavyweight alternative (the 80-200/2.8);
I just came across the 80-320, which I hadn't seen for several years, when
we were going through a pile of boxes to find out just what was in them :-)


I'd certainly be willing to take it out for some exercise sometime.  :-)






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Re: PT LR 4.4 and Epson 2400 printing

[David J Brooks]

On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
>
> I've never used LR on Mac, so, I am not familiar with possible
> peculiarities. On Windows, it works this way:
> There are some LR print templates that set the page size, and some others
> that don't. So, it is a combination of choosing the template and "page
> setup" that is needed to be done in a particular order (to preserve or set
> the page size, and to get the template suitable for that size).

I think that relationship may be my problem. I'll have another look.
>
> I just looked, and my LR has a 4x6 and a 5x7 print templates (#1 and #3 on
> the list, respectively) that are for a letter-size paper.
> If you are choosing those, that's what might be happening.

My print dialogue box came up with 8x10 in the preset window. I have
removed that but it was still printing 8x10.

I thought i was downloading updated 2400 driver software but it seems
i was updating, many many times, my 2450 scanner drivers instead. I
noticed that this evening and have down loaded the updated driver for
the 2400. Who knew.:-)

Hopefully this will help.



Dave
>
> But if you were to choose, say 5"x7" under "page setup", and then choose
> "maximize size" standard LR template (toward the bottom of the list), -
> you'd get the largest printable size on a 5"x7".
>
> HTH,
>
> Igor
>
>
> David J Brooks Thu, 22 Dec 2016 04:41:37 -0800 wrote:
>
> Hi all.
>
> Prior to my upgrading to OS 10.11.6 my printing from LR went mostly
> well. I now find that it will only print via LR as 8x10 even if i
> select the 4x6 or 5x7 templates. Not sure whats what here.
>
>
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Re: PT LR 4.4 and Epson 2400 printing

[Igor PDML-StR]

I've never used LR on Mac, so, I am not familiar with possible 
peculiarities. On Windows, it works this way:
There are some LR print templates that set the page size, and some others 
that don't. So, it is a combination of choosing the template and "page 
setup" that is needed to be done in a particular order (to preserve or set 
the page size, and to get the template suitable for that size).


I just looked, and my LR has a 4x6 and a 5x7 print templates (#1 and #3 on 
the list, respectively) that are for a letter-size paper.

If you are choosing those, that's what might be happening.

But if you were to choose, say 5"x7" under "page setup", and then choose 
"maximize size" standard LR template (toward the bottom of the list), - 
you'd get the largest printable size on a 5"x7".


HTH,

Igor


David J Brooks Thu, 22 Dec 2016 04:41:37 -0800 wrote:

Hi all.

Prior to my upgrading to OS 10.11.6 my printing from LR went mostly
well. I now find that it will only print via LR as 8x10 even if i
select the 4x6 or 5x7 templates. Not sure whats what here.


dave

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Re: Pirelli goes natural

[Jack Davis]

When my father was explaining the
mechanic of the facts of life to my brother and I, I recall him using the 
descriptive term "tool" several times.

J

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> On Dec 22, 2016, at 2:16 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> I like it and I'm 56.
> 
> I've long been a fan of the Pirelli calendar. I've never put it in the same 
> bin as more conventional pin-up calendars. I have no objection to them, other 
> than it bugs me when the women are shown misusing tools.
> 
> To me the Pirelli calendar has always been more about photography than just 
> pictures of generic pretty women.
> 
> I think that the year that really caught my attention was 1984
> https://bennettstreet.wordpress.com/2015/06/11/pirelli-calendar-1984/
> 
> Particularly the pictures with the tread pattern painted on the models.
> 
> http://www.widewalls.ch/pirelli-calendar-and-the-long-history-of-beauty-and-eros/
> 
> John Francis wrote:
>> I don't (and I'm 67, too).
>> But what others think doesn't matter that much, really -
>> probably the only person on the list whose opinion would
>> weigh that heavily would be Bruce, because he probably
>> knows more than any of us about this kind of photography.
>> 
>>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 10:40:28PM -0500, John wrote:
>>> I like it. I'm 67.
>>> 
 On 12/21/2016 7:22 AM, Mark Stringer wrote:
 I say lets vote on it.  Like or dislike but each vote must be
 accompanied by the voter's age.
 I like it...66
 
 
> On 12/21/2016 1:28 AM, Marco Alpert wrote:
> Couldn???t disagree more.
> 
> m
> 
>> On Dec 20, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry but the new calendar just doesn't cut it for me.
>> I much prefer the earlier editions of the calendar.
>> Its like Pirelli is asking me to like a bald worn out tire instead of
>> one of their new super sticky P-Zeros.
>> I think they've lost their direction with this edition.
>> 
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Larry Colen"
>> Subject: Pirelli goes natural
>> 
>> 
>>> Peter Lindbergh shot this years Pirelli Calendar without using
>>> makeup or retouching.
>>> 
>>> https://www.fastcocreate.com/3066063/quick-hit/the-2017-pirelli-calendar-with-nicole-kidman-and-julianne-moore-is-raw-and-unretou
>>> 
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Re: Pirelli goes natural

[Paul Stenquist]

Pirelli sent me a calendar every year through the '80s. Don't know what became 
of them. My wife wasn't a big fan.

Paul via phone

> On Dec 22, 2016, at 5:16 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> I like it and I'm 56.
> 
> I've long been a fan of the Pirelli calendar. I've never put it in the same 
> bin as more conventional pin-up calendars. I have no objection to them, other 
> than it bugs me when the women are shown misusing tools.
> 
> To me the Pirelli calendar has always been more about photography than just 
> pictures of generic pretty women.
> 
> I think that the year that really caught my attention was 1984
> https://bennettstreet.wordpress.com/2015/06/11/pirelli-calendar-1984/
> 
> Particularly the pictures with the tread pattern painted on the models.
> 
> http://www.widewalls.ch/pirelli-calendar-and-the-long-history-of-beauty-and-eros/
> 
> John Francis wrote:
>> I don't (and I'm 67, too).
>> But what others think doesn't matter that much, really -
>> probably the only person on the list whose opinion would
>> weigh that heavily would be Bruce, because he probably
>> knows more than any of us about this kind of photography.
>> 
>>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 10:40:28PM -0500, John wrote:
>>> I like it. I'm 67.
>>> 
 On 12/21/2016 7:22 AM, Mark Stringer wrote:
 I say lets vote on it.  Like or dislike but each vote must be
 accompanied by the voter's age.
 I like it...66
 
 
> On 12/21/2016 1:28 AM, Marco Alpert wrote:
> Couldn???t disagree more.
> 
> m
> 
>> On Dec 20, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry but the new calendar just doesn't cut it for me.
>> I much prefer the earlier editions of the calendar.
>> Its like Pirelli is asking me to like a bald worn out tire instead of
>> one of their new super sticky P-Zeros.
>> I think they've lost their direction with this edition.
>> 
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Larry Colen"
>> Subject: Pirelli goes natural
>> 
>> 
>>> Peter Lindbergh shot this years Pirelli Calendar without using
>>> makeup or retouching.
>>> 
>>> https://www.fastcocreate.com/3066063/quick-hit/the-2017-pirelli-calendar-with-nicole-kidman-and-julianne-moore-is-raw-and-unretou
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Pirelli goes natural

[Larry Colen]

I like it and I'm 56.

I've long been a fan of the Pirelli calendar. I've never put it in the 
same bin as more conventional pin-up calendars. I have no objection to 
them, other than it bugs me when the women are shown misusing tools.


To me the Pirelli calendar has always been more about photography than 
just pictures of generic pretty women.


I think that the year that really caught my attention was 1984
https://bennettstreet.wordpress.com/2015/06/11/pirelli-calendar-1984/

Particularly the pictures with the tread pattern painted on the models.

http://www.widewalls.ch/pirelli-calendar-and-the-long-history-of-beauty-and-eros/

John Francis wrote:

I don't (and I'm 67, too).
But what others think doesn't matter that much, really -
probably the only person on the list whose opinion would
weigh that heavily would be Bruce, because he probably
knows more than any of us about this kind of photography.

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 10:40:28PM -0500, John wrote:

I like it. I'm 67.

On 12/21/2016 7:22 AM, Mark Stringer wrote:

I say lets vote on it.  Like or dislike but each vote must be
accompanied by the voter's age.
I like it...66


On 12/21/2016 1:28 AM, Marco Alpert wrote:

Couldn???t disagree more.

m


On Dec 20, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:

Sorry but the new calendar just doesn't cut it for me.
I much prefer the earlier editions of the calendar.
Its like Pirelli is asking me to like a bald worn out tire instead of
one of their new super sticky P-Zeros.
I think they've lost their direction with this edition.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - From: "Larry Colen"
Subject: Pirelli goes natural



Peter Lindbergh shot this years Pirelli Calendar without using
makeup or retouching.

https://www.fastcocreate.com/3066063/quick-hit/the-2017-pirelli-calendar-with-nicole-kidman-and-julianne-moore-is-raw-and-unretou


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Re: Pirelli goes natural

[John Francis]

I don't (and I'm 67, too).
But what others think doesn't matter that much, really -
probably the only person on the list whose opinion would
weigh that heavily would be Bruce, because he probably
knows more than any of us about this kind of photography.

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 10:40:28PM -0500, John wrote:
> I like it. I'm 67.
> 
> On 12/21/2016 7:22 AM, Mark Stringer wrote:
> > I say lets vote on it.  Like or dislike but each vote must be
> > accompanied by the voter's age.
> > I like it...66
> > 
> > 
> > On 12/21/2016 1:28 AM, Marco Alpert wrote:
> > > Couldn???t disagree more.
> > > 
> > > m
> > > 
> > > > On Dec 20, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Sorry but the new calendar just doesn't cut it for me.
> > > > I much prefer the earlier editions of the calendar.
> > > > Its like Pirelli is asking me to like a bald worn out tire instead of
> > > > one of their new super sticky P-Zeros.
> > > > I think they've lost their direction with this edition.
> > > > 
> > > > Kenneth Waller
> > > > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
> > > > 
> > > > - Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" 
> > > > Subject: Pirelli goes natural
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > Peter Lindbergh shot this years Pirelli Calendar without using
> > > > > makeup or retouching.
> > > > > 
> > > > > https://www.fastcocreate.com/3066063/quick-hit/the-2017-pirelli-calendar-with-nicole-kidman-and-julianne-moore-is-raw-and-unretou
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --
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> > > > > http://red4est.com/lrc
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
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Re: Looking for an ready to carry long ff lens

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On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 11:41:08AM -0500, John Francis wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 10:08:46AM +, Steve Cottrell wrote:
> > On 17/12/16, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:
> > 
> > >Going to full frame, I no longer have a lens for the k1 to fill the
> > >niche of my 18-250, being reasonably long, if not particularly fast, but
> > >will still fit in my camera bag and not weigh a ton. 
> > >The da 55-300, despite nominally being an aps lens seems to do ok on ff.
> > >Is there anything even better, preferably not too expensive?
> > 
> > Just being a fly in your ointment for a minute - why would you consider
> > a lens of such sweeping focal length? Surely with the K1 having such a
> > good sensor, using what can only ever be an inferior lens (with such a
> > large zoom range) is counter-productive?
> 
> That's not always the case - back when I was regularly shooting motorsports
> (on film ...) I was used to seeing a lot of the full-time photographers
> using the Canon L 35-350, which was an amazingly good lens.  But that was
> the exception (and by now I suspect modern digital sensors would point out
> flaws in that lens that we didn't see when limited by film resolution).

FWIW - back in those film days I picked up an FA 80-320 as my long-reach
lightweight carry-around (replacing a 100-300 which I never really liked).
It still seems to be fairly well thought of.  Furthermore, it would be
available on the same terms as my heavyweight alternative (the 80-200/2.8);
I just came across the 80-320, which I hadn't seen for several years, when
we were going through a pile of boxes to find out just what was in them :-)

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January PUG countdown

[Brian Walters]

G'day, all

First up for 2017 is: Doors

Submit here: http://pug.komkon.org/submit/

Submission Guidelines here:

http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html

Nom. closing date 31 December but, given the holiday season, I probably
wont get around to closing submissions until several days after that
(ho, ho, ho).


Cheers

Brian

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Re: PESO: Neglect

[ann sanfedele]

:-( ... very sad.. photowise I want to reach inand take away the 
uglybuilding lurking in the back as if it were sitting on the church's 
roof ... it would be pretty easy to do, though cheatingfor a newsworthy 
photo...  I hope they restore the church


ann


On 12/22/2016 12:57 AM, David Mann wrote:

We went to the cheesemongers this morning but the shop was super busy so it 
wasn't a good idea for us to bring the baby's stroller in.  While my wife 
queued for cheese I took my darling daughter for a walk and ended up in 
Cathedral Square.

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1033/#peso

I shot this through a gate in the fence.

There are a lot of politics going on behind the scenes here.  The Anglican 
church, who own the cathedral and the land it's on, want to knock it down and 
replace it, but there's a vocal opposition who think it can be made safe and 
restored on a reasonable budget.  Meanwhile the building continues to decay 
while all the money is being spent on lawyers.  I'm actually surprised the 
recent 7.8 quake didn't make the decision for them.

Cheers,
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Re: OT: printer question - which would you do?

[ann sanfedele]

On 12/22/2016 3:35 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

IME, generally speaking Photo Black won't give as deep a black on matte papers 
as Matte Black. On the other hand, Matte Black will sometimes run or smear on 
some glossy and textured papers.
I wondered if that were the case...  I generally prefer non-matte paper 
anyway , but needed the dobule sided for the calendars the way i did them


ann



I mostly print on matte surface papers. In all the years I had the R2400, I 
think I switched from Matte Black to Photo Black three times, each time to use 
Photo Black on Epson Exhibition Fiber paper (my favorite non-matte paper 
surface). That paper is a heavy, almost card stock, weight and produces a look 
very similar to that of Kodabromide Glossy, air-dried without the use of a 
ferrotyping machine for a satiny gloss look. Lots of depth and sharpness!

G



On Dec 22, 2016, at 9:00 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

Thanks, Paul...

I hoped as much

ann


On 12/21/2016 10:28 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

I solved that problem by printing on Epson's best paper almost all the time 
(premium luster).
But I would use photo black all the time.

Paul via phone


On Dec 21, 2016, at 10:01 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

If you don't want to keep going back and forth between photo black and matte 
black on the R2400 (or the like) is it less harmful to print something on matte 
paper with the photo black cartridge in or glossy paper with the matte black in?

The r2400 knows which and doesn't offer a paper setting for the other, but I 
got not terrible results with the matte black in and printing a little print on 
4 x 6 Epson glossy and the setting on inkjet photo paper setting.

what say ya?

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Re: OT: printer question - which would you do?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

IME, generally speaking Photo Black won't give as deep a black on matte papers 
as Matte Black. On the other hand, Matte Black will sometimes run or smear on 
some glossy and textured papers. 

I mostly print on matte surface papers. In all the years I had the R2400, I 
think I switched from Matte Black to Photo Black three times, each time to use 
Photo Black on Epson Exhibition Fiber paper (my favorite non-matte paper 
surface). That paper is a heavy, almost card stock, weight and produces a look 
very similar to that of Kodabromide Glossy, air-dried without the use of a 
ferrotyping machine for a satiny gloss look. Lots of depth and sharpness! 

G


> On Dec 22, 2016, at 9:00 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Paul...
> 
> I hoped as much
> 
> ann
> 
> 
> On 12/21/2016 10:28 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> I solved that problem by printing on Epson's best paper almost all the time 
>> (premium luster).
>> But I would use photo black all the time.
>> 
>> Paul via phone
>> 
>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 10:01 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you don't want to keep going back and forth between photo black and 
>>> matte black on the R2400 (or the like) is it less harmful to print 
>>> something on matte paper with the photo black cartridge in or glossy paper 
>>> with the matte black in?
>>> 
>>> The r2400 knows which and doesn't offer a paper setting for the other, but 
>>> I got not terrible results with the matte black in and printing a little 
>>> print on 4 x 6 Epson glossy and the setting on inkjet photo paper setting.
>>> 
>>> what say ya?
>>> 
>>> ann


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Re: PESO: Neglect

[Bob Sullivan]

Quite a change from when we were there 10? years ago, pre quake.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 11:57 PM, David Mann  wrote:

> We went to the cheesemongers this morning but the shop was super busy so
> it wasn't a good idea for us to bring the baby's stroller in.  While my
> wife queued for cheese I took my darling daughter for a walk and ended up
> in Cathedral Square.
>
> http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1033/#peso
>
> I shot this through a gate in the fence.
>
> There are a lot of politics going on behind the scenes here.  The Anglican
> church, who own the cathedral and the land it's on, want to knock it down
> and replace it, but there's a vocal opposition who think it can be made
> safe and restored on a reasonable budget.  Meanwhile the building continues
> to decay while all the money is being spent on lawyers.  I'm actually
> surprised the recent 7.8 quake didn't make the decision for them.
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
>
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Re: PESO: Another Dog Picture

[Bob Sullivan]

Bill,
Sorry for your loss.  I'm sure you'll miss him.  Bob S.

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 7:28 PM, Bill  wrote:

> On 12/20/2016 5:51 AM, Carlos R wrote:
>
>> Very sorry to hear that, Bill. Nice dog and nice photo too.
>>
>
> Thanks Carlos.
>
>>
>> Carlos
>>
>> 2016-12-18 17:39 GMT+01:00 Bill :
>>
>> Five weeks ago, my Rottie was diagnosed with lymphoma. We had him put to
>>> sleep last Tuesday.
>>> This was taken in September while he was still healthy, and is one of the
>>> last pictures I have of him.
>>>
>>> http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/addons/byebug.html
>>>
>>> K1, 43mm LTD. f/2.2, 1/60th, ISO 6400.
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Re: OT: printer question - which would you do?

[Igor PDML-StR]

I ended up doing something similar to what Paul is doing: printing only on 
the papers that are suitable for Photo Black.
Prior to that, for most purposes, I've preferred Matte papers at photo 
labs. With my Epson (R2880), - I am using either pearl/luster or, 
occasionally glossy (when needed or when the right size is not reasonably 
available in pearl/luster, - such as 4"x6")


Igor


On 12/21/2016 10:28 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

I solved that problem by printing on Epson's best paper almost all the 
time (premium luster). But I would use photo black all the time.


Paul via phone


On Dec 21, 2016, at 10:01 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

If you don't want to keep going back and forth between photo black and 
matte black on the R2400 (or the like) is it less harmful to print 
something on matte paper with the photo black cartridge in or glossy 
paper with the matte black in?


The r2400 knows which and doesn't offer a paper setting for the other, 
but I got not terrible results with the matte black in and printing a 
little print on 4 x 6 Epson glossy and the setting on inkjet photo 
paper setting.


what say ya?

ann




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Re: OT: printer question - which would you do?

[ann sanfedele]

Thanks, Paul...

I hoped as much

ann


On 12/21/2016 10:28 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

I solved that problem by printing on Epson's best paper almost all the time 
(premium luster).
But I would use photo black all the time.

Paul via phone


On Dec 21, 2016, at 10:01 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

If you don't want to keep going back and forth between photo black and matte 
black on the R2400 (or the like) is it less harmful to print something on matte 
paper with the photo black cartridge in or glossy paper with the matte black in?

The r2400 knows which and doesn't offer a paper setting for the other, but I 
got not terrible results with the matte black in and printing a little print on 
4 x 6 Epson glossy and the setting on inkjet photo paper setting.

what say ya?

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Re: PESO: Neglect

[Alan C]

That's a difficult one. Where do the lawyer's come in? The sentimentalists
would want restoration because it is/was a much loved landmark. On the other
hand a modern cathedral (like Coventry or Guildford) is a good option too.
Sense must prevail. Even the Normans flattened many old 8th century churches
in England and built the 11th century Cathedrals we know so well
today.

Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: David Mann

Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 7:57 AM
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Subject: PESO: Neglect

We went to the cheesemongers this morning but the shop was super busy so it
wasn't a good idea for us to bring the baby's stroller in.  While my wife
queued for cheese I took my darling daughter for a walk and ended up in
Cathedral Square.

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1033/#peso

I shot this through a gate in the fence.

There are a lot of politics going on behind the scenes here.  The Anglican
church, who own the cathedral and the land it's on, want to knock it down
and replace it, but there's a vocal opposition who think it can be made safe
and restored on a reasonable budget.  Meanwhile the building continues to
decay while all the money is being spent on lawyers.  I'm actually surprised
the recent 7.8 quake didn't make the decision for them.

Cheers,
Dave


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Re: 20th Anniversary PUG

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 9:18 PM, John  wrote:

> I do have a photograph that I consider my best ever, but I've used it
> several times already and I'd really like to move on to see if I can do
> better.
>

Thai's understandable, but I would like to see the one you consider your
best ever.

YMMV.

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Re: PESO: paying for the music

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I wish I could see more of the kids.


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On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 12:40 AM, Philip Northeast 
wrote:

> https://flic.kr/p/PSQqcA
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> K1 with Sigma 35mm f1.4 Art
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Re: PESO: Suffering (dirt & all)

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Suffer!

It's better than the cold we have been having.

Actually, today isn't bad.  It was 29 F when I took the dog to the park
this morning.  Yesterday it was 22, and the day before that it was 11 F.


Dan Matyola
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On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 7:20 AM, Alan C  wrote:

> Rather warm today.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/31429626660/
>
> K7 with the F 35-105 macro.
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Re: PESO: Neglect

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I have seen a number of these situations, and they always frustrate me.

Personally, I would like to see a building like that preserved.  I don't
own the buiding, however, the church does, and the church shouldn't be
forced to restore it.  If the well-meaning "preservationists" was to save
it, let them raise the money to buy the property and restore the building.

Dan Matyola
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On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 12:57 AM, David Mann  wrote:

> We went to the cheesemongers this morning but the shop was super busy so
> it wasn't a good idea for us to bring the baby's stroller in.  While my
> wife queued for cheese I took my darling daughter for a walk and ended up
> in Cathedral Square.
>
> http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1033/#peso
>
> I shot this through a gate in the fence.
>
> There are a lot of politics going on behind the scenes here.  The Anglican
> church, who own the cathedral and the land it's on, want to knock it down
> and replace it, but there's a vocal opposition who think it can be made
> safe and restored on a reasonable budget.  Meanwhile the building continues
> to decay while all the money is being spent on lawyers.  I'm actually
> surprised the recent 7.8 quake didn't make the decision for them.
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
>
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Re: Peso-Sac. Eagle

[Jack Davis]

So nice of you, Ann!
Yes I know, but I actually like the
extreme this morning.(?)

J


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> On Dec 21, 2016, at 6:48 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> You could even crop it more -- s sharp!
> 
> ann
> 
> 
>> On 12/21/2016 4:59 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
>> 
>> This AM at the Sac. Ntl. Preserve.
>> 45% of the frame.
>> At, maybe, 100yds?
>> 
>> 150-450 hand held.
>> Chilly, fairly stiff breeze.
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1141
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Re: Peso-Sac. Eagle

[Jack Davis]

Thanks much, Alan!
It's a Bald eagle in my world.

J

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> On Dec 21, 2016, at 7:39 PM, Alan C  wrote:
> 
> Excellent capture, Jack. Which one of these do you think it is?
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_eagle
> 
> I see our Fish Eagle & your Bald Eagle are in there too.
> 
> Alan C
> 
> -Original Message- From: Jack Davis
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 11:59 PM
> To: PDML
> Subject: Peso-Sac. Eagle
> 
> 
> 
> This AM at the Sac. Ntl. Preserve.
> 45% of the frame.
> At, maybe, 100yds?
> 
> 150-450 hand held.
> Chilly, fairly stiff breeze.
> 
> J
> 
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1141
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Re: Happy birthday Jostein!

[Jack Davis]

Congrats, Jostein!
Happiness on ya!

J

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> On Dec 21, 2016, at 8:43 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
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> and again :-)
> 
> ann
> 
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>> On 12/21/2016 1:02 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
>> Many happy returns, Mister J :-).
>> 
>> All the way to 120 and beyond!
>> 
>> Boris
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>>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>>> Hope you have a great day. Buy yourself a few lenses!
>>> 
>>> Paul via phone
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Re: PESO: Neglect

[Jack Davis]

Needs a new gardener.
Seriously well done shot!

J

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> On Dec 21, 2016, at 10:00 PM, Philip Northeast  
> wrote:
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> Looks lovely, spend the money on restoration not lawyers.
> 
> Philip Northeast
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> www.aviewfinderdarkly.com.au
> 
>> On 22/12/16 4:57 pm, David Mann wrote:
>> We went to the cheesemongers this morning but the shop was super busy so it 
>> wasn't a good idea for us to bring the baby's stroller in.  While my wife 
>> queued for cheese I took my darling daughter for a walk and ended up in 
>> Cathedral Square.
>> 
>> http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1033/#peso
>> 
>> I shot this through a gate in the fence.
>> 
>> There are a lot of politics going on behind the scenes here.  The Anglican 
>> church, who own the cathedral and the land it's on, want to knock it down 
>> and replace it, but there's a vocal opposition who think it can be made safe 
>> and restored on a reasonable budget.  Meanwhile the building continues to 
>> decay while all the money is being spent on lawyers.  I'm actually surprised 
>> the recent 7.8 quake didn't make the decision for them.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Dave
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PT LR 4.4 and Epson 2400 printing

[David J Brooks]

Hi all.

Prior to my upgrading to OS 10.11.6 my printing from LR went mostly
well. I now find that it will only print via LR as 8x10 even if i
select the 4x6 or 5x7 templates. Not sure whats what here.

dave

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PESO: Suffering (dirt & all)

[Alan C]

Rather warm today.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/31429626660/

K7 with the F 35-105 macro.

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