Re: Strange thing

2017-07-02 Thread Alan C
Correct me if I am wrong. If an email is sent to a list (such as the PDML), 
& you use "Reply List" or "Reply All", then you reply goes individually to 
all members of the list as well as the list mailbox. If you use "Reply", 
then your reply goes only to the list mailbox. Listers would then down load 
at their leisure. This explains why some posts are received double if "Reply 
List" is used - once from the list mailbox & once directly from the poster.


I think my problem is overzealous filtering either by my ISP or the Avast 
Firewall.


Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Paul in MKE

Sent: Monday, July 03, 2017 7:49 AM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Strange thing

Hmmm.  PDML is the only mailing list coming in to T-Bird for me and I
have noticed that the Reply to List option is only available for
messages from PDML. For other messages it's greyed-out. T-Bird seems to
know that PDML is a mailing list -

-p


On 7/2/2017 9:43 PM, Mark C wrote:
I tried doing that but can't get the customization to stick. I drag it 
from the customize box and put it next to reply, and it appears to work, 
but as soon as I close the customize box Reply To List disappears. If I 
open the customize box again, it reappears, but never stays once customize 
is closed. Maybe my installation is corrupted.


On 7/2/2017 6:02 PM, Paul in MKE wrote:
I've had no problem adding "reply to list" to the Menu toolbar.  I just 
dragged it from the Customize box to a position between Reply and Reply 
All.  In addition, if you usually use the Reply located in the message 
header you can try this:  Open the Customize box for the message header. 
You'll note the Reply List now says Smart Reply.  Drag the Reply button 
back into the Customize box and close the box.  The Smart Reply has now 
changed back to Reply List, but if you click on the down arrow next to it 
you will have the options to Reply List (the default), Reply All, or 
Reply.


-p


On 7/2/2017 10:29 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-)

alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead of 
jsut REPLY  -
some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what i 
said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion


At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work 
time than weekdays


ann

On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote:
I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at 
least) & have to pick them up in comments instead.


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Re: Strange thing

2017-07-02 Thread Paul in MKE
Hmmm.  PDML is the only mailing list coming in to T-Bird for me and I 
have noticed that the Reply to List option is only available for 
messages from PDML. For other messages it's greyed-out. T-Bird seems to 
know that PDML is a mailing list -


-p


On 7/2/2017 9:43 PM, Mark C wrote:
I tried doing that but can't get the customization to stick. I drag it 
from the customize box and put it next to reply, and it appears to 
work, but as soon as I close the customize box Reply To List 
disappears. If I open the customize box again, it reappears, but never 
stays once customize is closed. Maybe my installation is corrupted.


On 7/2/2017 6:02 PM, Paul in MKE wrote:
I've had no problem adding "reply to list" to the Menu toolbar.  I 
just dragged it from the Customize box to a position between Reply 
and Reply All.  In addition, if you usually use the Reply located in 
the message header you can try this:  Open the Customize box for the 
message header.  You'll note the Reply List now says Smart Reply.  
Drag the Reply button back into the Customize box and close the box.  
The Smart Reply has now changed back to Reply List, but if you click 
on the down arrow next to it you will have the options to Reply List 
(the default), Reply All, or Reply.


-p


On 7/2/2017 10:29 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-)

alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" 
instead of jsut REPLY  -
some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what 
i said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion


At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work 
time than weekdays


ann

On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote:
I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at 
least) & have to pick them up in comments instead.


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Re: PESO - Red wood ant

2017-07-02 Thread mike wilson
> On 02 July 2017 at 18:33 Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
> 
> Jostein, what Bruce has said is exactly my reaction.
> 
> The surrounding/background is a good setting for this photo.
> 
> The only thing that could be improved is that the leg wouldn't be cut off. 
> I am suspecting there was something distracting on the left that forced 
> you doing that...
> 
> 
> Igor

Having watched Jostein at work, I can say that one of the many difficulties with
this process is working out exactly what will be in frame when the multiplicity
of in-focus wafers is amalgamated into one image.

> 
> 
> Bruce Walker Thu, 29 Jun 2017 17:45:49 -0700 wrote:
> 
> That's pretty damned amazing and impressive, Jostein!
> 
> The effort of posing lifesize models pales in comparison to your chore. :)
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Jostein  wrote:
> > http://www.alunfoto.no/bloggposter/2017/06/formica/
> >
> > Continuing my foray into entomology. A dead insect this time too.
> > Meticulously prepped and arranged. Getting the legs and antennae right
> > definitely counts as fiddly bits.
> >
> > Shot with 645D, FA 200/4 and reversed A 55/2.8 (almost 4X). Stacked from 
> a
> > pile of shots. ~180, iirc.
> >

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Re: PESO 2017 - 080,081 - GDG

2017-07-02 Thread ann sanfedele

Love the tree and house... flowers nice, but tree and house wonderful

ann

On 7/2/2017 2:34 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

Here ends my short, quiet walk in Pescadero.

https://flic.kr/p/Wmv2Wa
https://flic.kr/p/Wmv2xK

A gallery of all six photos is at https://flic.kr/s/aHsm3B8ZbQ

enjoy!
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Re: Strange thing

2017-07-02 Thread Alan C

Nothing. Super Sparrow was another.

Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Daniel J. Matyola

Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 9:31 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Strange thing

Check your spam or junk folder;  they seem to be winding up there.


Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 12:44 AM, Alan C  wrote:


I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at least)
& have to pick them up in comments instead.

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Re: Strange thing

2017-07-02 Thread Mark C

Now that's a plan - I'll give it a try.

On 7/2/2017 1:36 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Mark C wrote:


I feel your pain, Ann.

It seemed that one solution to the "reply to list" issue would be to
customize Thunderbird so "reply to list" is on the message toolbar, next
to "reply to message". But I've been unable to get that to work - I pull
the reply to list button onto the tool bar and it looks just as it
should as long as I'm in customize mode. But once I revert to normal
operating mode it disappears. Only to reappear when I go back into
customize mode.

I've begun experimenting with new mail clients. So far Opera Mail and
Mail Bird have been busts for me, but there are plenty of others out there.

Or you can just go back to the previous version of Thunderbird:
http://www.oldapps.com/thunderbird.php
  




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Re: Strange thing

2017-07-02 Thread Mark C
I tried doing that but can't get the customization to stick. I drag it 
from the customize box and put it next to reply, and it appears to work, 
but as soon as I close the customize box Reply To List disappears. If I 
open the customize box again, it reappears, but never stays once 
customize is closed. Maybe my installation is corrupted.


On 7/2/2017 6:02 PM, Paul in MKE wrote:
I've had no problem adding "reply to list" to the Menu toolbar.  I 
just dragged it from the Customize box to a position between Reply and 
Reply All.  In addition, if you usually use the Reply located in the 
message header you can try this:  Open the Customize box for the 
message header.  You'll note the Reply List now says Smart Reply.  
Drag the Reply button back into the Customize box and close the box.  
The Smart Reply has now changed back to Reply List, but if you click 
on the down arrow next to it you will have the options to Reply List 
(the default), Reply All, or Reply.


-p


On 7/2/2017 10:29 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-)

alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead 
of jsut REPLY  -
some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what 
i said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion


At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work 
time than weekdays


ann

On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote:
I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at 
least) & have to pick them up in comments instead.


Alan C

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Re: PESO Super Sparrow

2017-07-02 Thread ann sanfedele

Love that!
ann

On 7/2/2017 2:05 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Handheld with the K-1 and DA 150-450. f8 at 1/1000th, ISO 1000.
  I’m amazed at how muscular the bird’s chest is. The workout regimen for 
trying to build up the pectorals is a flying motion of sorts with dumbbells. 
Not surprised.

https://www.photo.net/photo/18404005/-sparrow-in-flight



On Jul 2, 2017, at 1:42 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:

Mark C wrote:


Rick -

Don't know Macs but my experience has been that housings are far more
likely to fail than the hard drive in them. You are probably planning to
do this anyhow - but it if you are replacing the drive it would be
worthwhile to check the hard drive with another housing.

The symptoms Rick is describing sound more like hard drive failure
than housing failure. But as an external housing costs about 20 bucks
these days it's worth a try.

I've been having trouble with my backup (external) hard drive for
months now. Sometimes it wouldn't be recognized by the desktop
computer at all — powering the drive housing on and off a couple of
times would sort it out eventually. It seemed like a housing issue
and, in any case, I thought housings are cheap enough to test that
idea first. I ordered a new USB3 external housing for $22.95 a couple
of weeks ago and it not only solved the problem but made my backups
*much* faster (I'd been using a USB2 drive housing in a USB3 port on
the computer).

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Re: Another New Hampshire PESO

2017-07-02 Thread Mark Roberts
Marnie (aka Doe) wrote:

>Oh, I like that Mark. Simplicity and nature.
>
>Marnie aka Doe :-) (And no ghosts and no HDR. Heh.)

All photographs have ghosts, Marnie. It's just a matter of whether or
not you see them. ;-)

>On 7/1/2017 1:36 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>> http://www.robertstech.com/temp/7e104506.jpg
>> K-1 with DA 55-300

 
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Re: Strange thing

2017-07-02 Thread ann sanfedele
Mine DOES say Reply to list on a button next to Reply - but my mouse 
finger always hits reply unless I really really concentrate.


Don't want to go backwards now - I'm on automatic upgrade - and maybe 
those security patches they say they are making really are that...


I'll get used to it eventually, and then they will fix it right?

ann

On 7/2/2017 1:36 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Mark C wrote:


I feel your pain, Ann.

It seemed that one solution to the "reply to list" issue would be to
customize Thunderbird so "reply to list" is on the message toolbar, next
to "reply to message". But I've been unable to get that to work - I pull
the reply to list button onto the tool bar and it looks just as it
should as long as I'm in customize mode. But once I revert to normal
operating mode it disappears. Only to reappear when I go back into
customize mode.

I've begun experimenting with new mail clients. So far Opera Mail and
Mail Bird have been busts for me, but there are plenty of others out there.

Or you can just go back to the previous version of Thunderbird:
http://www.oldapps.com/thunderbird.php
  



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Re: Strange thing

2017-07-02 Thread ann sanfedele
my little boxes have REPLY next to REPLY LIST  (and to REPLY ALL  I have 
to open and Scroll to box that says Reply list..  but remembering that
I have to do it for my replies to go to PDML and for my replys to show 
up in my PDML folder in my inbox, which is where I want 'em. But my 
mouse just gravitates to the REPLY button I'm used to hitting...


and when we get a good pun thread going it really sucks :-)

ann

On 7/2/2017 6:02 PM, Paul in MKE wrote:
I've had no problem adding "reply to list" to the Menu toolbar.  I 
just dragged it from the Customize box to a position between Reply and 
Reply All.  In addition, if you usually use the Reply located in the 
message header you can try this:  Open the Customize box for the 
message header.  You'll note the Reply List now says Smart Reply.  
Drag the Reply button back into the Customize box and close the box.  
The Smart Reply has now changed back to Reply List, but if you click 
on the down arrow next to it you will have the options to Reply List 
(the default), Reply All, or Reply.


-p


On 7/2/2017 10:29 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-)

alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead 
of jsut REPLY  -
some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what 
i said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion


At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work 
time than weekdays


ann

On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote:
I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at 
least) & have to pick them up in comments instead.


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Re: Strange thing

2017-07-02 Thread Paul in MKE
I've had no problem adding "reply to list" to the Menu toolbar.  I just 
dragged it from the Customize box to a position between Reply and Reply 
All.  In addition, if you usually use the Reply located in the message 
header you can try this:  Open the Customize box for the message 
header.  You'll note the Reply List now says Smart Reply.  Drag the 
Reply button back into the Customize box and close the box.  The Smart 
Reply has now changed back to Reply List, but if you click on the down 
arrow next to it you will have the options to Reply List (the default), 
Reply All, or Reply.


-p


On 7/2/2017 10:29 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-)

alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead 
of jsut REPLY  -
some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what i 
said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion


At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work 
time than weekdays


ann

On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote:
I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at 
least) & have to pick them up in comments instead.


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Re: PESO Super Sparrow

2017-07-02 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks Jack. I can only do in flight hand held. 

Paul via phone

> On Jul 2, 2017, at 3:38 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> 
> Tough to do!
> Very nice catch, Paul.
> 
> J
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>> 
>> Handheld with the K-1 and DA 150-450. f8 at 1/1000th, ISO 1000.
>> I’m amazed at how muscular the bird’s chest is. The workout regimen for 
>> trying to build up the pectorals is a flying motion of sorts with dumbbells. 
>> Not surprised.
>> 
>> https://www.photo.net/photo/18404005/-sparrow-in-flight
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2017, at 1:42 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mark C wrote:
>>> 
 Rick -
 
 Don't know Macs but my experience has been that housings are far more 
 likely to fail than the hard drive in them. You are probably planning to 
 do this anyhow - but it if you are replacing the drive it would be 
 worthwhile to check the hard drive with another housing.
>>> 
>>> The symptoms Rick is describing sound more like hard drive failure
>>> than housing failure. But as an external housing costs about 20 bucks
>>> these days it's worth a try.
>>> 
>>> I've been having trouble with my backup (external) hard drive for
>>> months now. Sometimes it wouldn't be recognized by the desktop
>>> computer at all — powering the drive housing on and off a couple of
>>> times would sort it out eventually. It seemed like a housing issue
>>> and, in any case, I thought housings are cheap enough to test that
>>> idea first. I ordered a new USB3 external housing for $22.95 a couple
>>> of weeks ago and it not only solved the problem but made my backups
>>> *much* faster (I'd been using a USB2 drive housing in a USB3 port on
>>> the computer).
>>> 
>>> -- 
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>>> www.robertstech.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: PESO 2017 - 080,081 - GDG

2017-07-02 Thread Paul Stenquist
I think I typed nice shot. With autocorrect one never knows.

Paul via phone

> On Jul 2, 2017, at 4:28 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> Now car. Best of the set, IMO.
> 
> Paul via phone
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2017, at 4:18 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
>> 
>> On 2/7/17, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
>> 
>>> Here ends my short, quiet walk in Pescadero. 
>>> 
>>> https://flic.kr/p/Wmv2Wa
>> 
>> That's lovely mate
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Cotty
>> 
>> 
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Re: PESO - Last Hurrah

2017-07-02 Thread Marnie (aka Doe)

Thanks, Dan.

Marnie :-)

On 7/2/2017 12:38 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Excellent images, both of them.

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Re: PESO - Last Hurrah

2017-07-02 Thread Marnie (aka Doe)

Thanks, Paul.

I wish it had been less foggy, but with SF, you get what you get.

Marnie

On 7/2/2017 12:53 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

I missed the second pic, the view from the island. Gorgeous!

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Re: PESO 2017 - 080,081 - GDG

2017-07-02 Thread Paul Stenquist
Now car. Best of the set, IMO.

Paul via phone

> On Jul 2, 2017, at 4:18 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 2/7/17, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> Here ends my short, quiet walk in Pescadero. 
>> 
>> https://flic.kr/p/Wmv2Wa
> 
> That's lovely mate
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>  Cotty
> 
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Re: PESO 2017 - 080,081 - GDG

2017-07-02 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 2/7/17, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Here ends my short, quiet walk in Pescadero. 
>
>https://flic.kr/p/Wmv2Wa

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Re: PESO - Last Hurrah

2017-07-02 Thread Paul Stenquist
I missed the second pic, the view from the island. Gorgeous!

Paul via phone

> On Jul 2, 2017, at 3:38 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> Excellent images, both of them.
> 
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> On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Marnie (aka Doe) 
> wrote:
> 
>> Another taken in 2011. On Treasure Island in SF Bay. The island itself was
>> built for the 1939 World's Fair. This was a Fair building of some kind. Now
>> a museum (a museum that was closed for a long time, open again).
>> 
>> The best views of San Francisco are from Treasure Island. Pretty much
>> everything on the island is crumbling now, except for this building.
>> Although, supposedly, a massive housing development is planned. Which is
>> insanely, incredibly stupid.
>> 
>> The arrows do nothing, pages still not hooked in.
>> 
>> http://www.mapphotography.org/PAWS/pages/island.htm
>> 
>> Comments welcome.
>> 
>> View from the island, if you are interested (this was shown on PDML
>> before, so no comments necessary).
>> 
>> http://www.mapphotography.org/PAWS/pages/foggycity.htm
>> 
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Re: PESO - Last Hurrah

2017-07-02 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Excellent images, both of them.

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On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Marnie (aka Doe) 
wrote:

> Another taken in 2011. On Treasure Island in SF Bay. The island itself was
> built for the 1939 World's Fair. This was a Fair building of some kind. Now
> a museum (a museum that was closed for a long time, open again).
>
> The best views of San Francisco are from Treasure Island. Pretty much
> everything on the island is crumbling now, except for this building.
> Although, supposedly, a massive housing development is planned. Which is
> insanely, incredibly stupid.
>
> The arrows do nothing, pages still not hooked in.
>
> http://www.mapphotography.org/PAWS/pages/island.htm
>
> Comments welcome.
>
> View from the island, if you are interested (this was shown on PDML
> before, so no comments necessary).
>
> http://www.mapphotography.org/PAWS/pages/foggycity.htm
>
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Re: PESO Super Sparrow

2017-07-02 Thread Jack Davis
Tough to do!
Very nice catch, Paul.

J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 2, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> Handheld with the K-1 and DA 150-450. f8 at 1/1000th, ISO 1000.
> I’m amazed at how muscular the bird’s chest is. The workout regimen for 
> trying to build up the pectorals is a flying motion of sorts with dumbbells. 
> Not surprised.
> 
> https://www.photo.net/photo/18404005/-sparrow-in-flight
> 
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2017, at 1:42 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
>> 
>> Mark C wrote:
>> 
>>> Rick -
>>> 
>>> Don't know Macs but my experience has been that housings are far more 
>>> likely to fail than the hard drive in them. You are probably planning to 
>>> do this anyhow - but it if you are replacing the drive it would be 
>>> worthwhile to check the hard drive with another housing.
>> 
>> The symptoms Rick is describing sound more like hard drive failure
>> than housing failure. But as an external housing costs about 20 bucks
>> these days it's worth a try.
>> 
>> I've been having trouble with my backup (external) hard drive for
>> months now. Sometimes it wouldn't be recognized by the desktop
>> computer at all — powering the drive housing on and off a couple of
>> times would sort it out eventually. It seemed like a housing issue
>> and, in any case, I thought housings are cheap enough to test that
>> idea first. I ordered a new USB3 external housing for $22.95 a couple
>> of weeks ago and it not only solved the problem but made my backups
>> *much* faster (I'd been using a USB2 drive housing in a USB3 port on
>> the computer).
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Re: PESO Super Sparrow

2017-07-02 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I REALLY like that shot.  Just super, with great timing and marvelous
detail.


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On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 2:05 PM, Paul Stenquist 
wrote:

> Handheld with the K-1 and DA 150-450. f8 at 1/1000th, ISO 1000.
>  I’m amazed at how muscular the bird’s chest is. The workout regimen for
> trying to build up the pectorals is a flying motion of sorts with
> dumbbells. Not surprised.
>
> https://www.photo.net/photo/18404005/-sparrow-in-flight
>
>
> > On Jul 2, 2017, at 1:42 PM, Mark Roberts 
> wrote:
> >
> > Mark C wrote:
> >
> >> Rick -
> >>
> >> Don't know Macs but my experience has been that housings are far more
> >> likely to fail than the hard drive in them. You are probably planning to
> >> do this anyhow - but it if you are replacing the drive it would be
> >> worthwhile to check the hard drive with another housing.
> >
> > The symptoms Rick is describing sound more like hard drive failure
> > than housing failure. But as an external housing costs about 20 bucks
> > these days it's worth a try.
> >
> > I've been having trouble with my backup (external) hard drive for
> > months now. Sometimes it wouldn't be recognized by the desktop
> > computer at all — powering the drive housing on and off a couple of
> > times would sort it out eventually. It seemed like a housing issue
> > and, in any case, I thought housings are cheap enough to test that
> > idea first. I ordered a new USB3 external housing for $22.95 a couple
> > of weeks ago and it not only solved the problem but made my backups
> > *much* faster (I'd been using a USB2 drive housing in a USB3 port on
> > the computer).
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Re: Strange thing

2017-07-02 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Check your spam or junk folder;  they seem to be winding up there.


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On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 12:44 AM, Alan C  wrote:

> I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at least)
> & have to pick them up in comments instead.
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Re: Mac external drive trouble

2017-07-02 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I've had my share of enclosure failures but all of them by the low-priced 
enclosures.

The OWC "Elite Pro" enclosures run about $70-85 apiece (see MacSales.com for 
details) and are very very reliable. Not one has ever failed me; between my 
brother and I, we've been using them for fifteen-eighteen years. My current 
ones for 3.5" drives support three hardware protocols in their latest revisions 
(eSATA, FW800, and USB3). They're very fast enclosures too. USB3 seems the most 
cost effective speed for the money at the present; I have two Thunderbolt SSD 
drives that are faster still but they're still double the price for the 
capacity, at least. 

Meanwhile, drives get full and/or flakey every few years of use. I've swapped 
and upgraded drives periodically; each of my enclosures has likely hosted up to 
three drives by now: no signs of failure yet. Bare drives are pretty cheap 
these days for 2, 3, or 4 TB. 

G

> On Jul 2, 2017, at 10:42 AM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> Mark C wrote:
> 
>> Rick -
>> 
>> Don't know Macs but my experience has been that housings are far more 
>> likely to fail than the hard drive in them. You are probably planning to 
>> do this anyhow - but it if you are replacing the drive it would be 
>> worthwhile to check the hard drive with another housing.
> 
> The symptoms Rick is describing sound more like hard drive failure
> than housing failure. But as an external housing costs about 20 bucks
> these days it's worth a try.
> 
> I've been having trouble with my backup (external) hard drive for
> months now. Sometimes it wouldn't be recognized by the desktop
> computer at all — powering the drive housing on and off a couple of
> times would sort it out eventually. It seemed like a housing issue
> and, in any case, I thought housings are cheap enough to test that
> idea first. I ordered a new USB3 external housing for $22.95 a couple
> of weeks ago and it not only solved the problem but made my backups
> *much* faster (I'd been using a USB2 drive housing in a USB3 port on
> the computer).


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Re: PESO 2017 - 080,081 - GDG

2017-07-02 Thread Marnie (aka Doe)

Like the flowers.

(But not overly fond of the vignetting.)

HTH, Marnie aka Doe :-)

On 7/2/2017 11:34 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

Here ends my short, quiet walk in Pescadero.

https://flic.kr/p/Wmv2Wa
https://flic.kr/p/Wmv2xK

A gallery of all six photos is at https://flic.kr/s/aHsm3B8ZbQ

enjoy!
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PESO 2017 - 080,081 - GDG

2017-07-02 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Here ends my short, quiet walk in Pescadero. 

https://flic.kr/p/Wmv2Wa
https://flic.kr/p/Wmv2xK

A gallery of all six photos is at https://flic.kr/s/aHsm3B8ZbQ

enjoy!
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Re: Strange thing

2017-07-02 Thread Alan C
Don't know Thunderbird. Presumably "REPLY LIST" & "REPLY" would be the same 
if there is only 1 address in the original mail? I use Windows Live Mail.


Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: ann sanfedele

Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 5:29 PM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Strange thing

Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-)

alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead of
jsut REPLY  -
some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what i
said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion

At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work
time than weekdays

ann

On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote:
I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at least) 
& have to pick them up in comments instead.


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Re: PESO - Last Hurrah

2017-07-02 Thread Marnie (aka Doe)

Thanks, Paul.

Re:  Backstory, I probably should have added that the island became a 
major Naval Station during WWII. My friend and I drove seaward side, 
lots of crumbling barracks. But hard to navigate, closed streets, etc. 
and I got no pictures of any of the former base.


Marnie aka Doe :-)

On 7/2/2017 11:06 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Nice photo, excellent light, interesting reflections. Great backstory.

Paul

On Jul 2, 2017, at 2:03 PM, Marnie (aka Doe)  wrote:

Another taken in 2011. On Treasure Island in SF Bay. The island itself was 
built for the 1939 World's Fair. This was a Fair building of some kind. Now a 
museum (a museum that was closed for a long time, open again).

The best views of San Francisco are from Treasure Island. Pretty much 
everything on the island is crumbling now, except for this building. Although, 
supposedly, a massive housing development is planned. Which is insanely, 
incredibly stupid.

The arrows do nothing, pages still not hooked in.

http://www.mapphotography.org/PAWS/pages/island.htm

Comments welcome.

View from the island, if you are interested (this was shown on PDML before, so 
no comments necessary).

http://www.mapphotography.org/PAWS/pages/foggycity.htm

Marnie aka Doe :-)


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Re: PESO - Last Hurrah

2017-07-02 Thread Paul Stenquist
Nice photo, excellent light, interesting reflections. Great backstory.

Paul
> On Jul 2, 2017, at 2:03 PM, Marnie (aka Doe)  wrote:
> 
> Another taken in 2011. On Treasure Island in SF Bay. The island itself was 
> built for the 1939 World's Fair. This was a Fair building of some kind. Now a 
> museum (a museum that was closed for a long time, open again).
> 
> The best views of San Francisco are from Treasure Island. Pretty much 
> everything on the island is crumbling now, except for this building. 
> Although, supposedly, a massive housing development is planned. Which is 
> insanely, incredibly stupid.
> 
> The arrows do nothing, pages still not hooked in.
> 
> http://www.mapphotography.org/PAWS/pages/island.htm
> 
> Comments welcome.
> 
> View from the island, if you are interested (this was shown on PDML before, 
> so no comments necessary).
> 
> http://www.mapphotography.org/PAWS/pages/foggycity.htm
> 
> Marnie aka Doe :-)
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PESO Super Sparrow

2017-07-02 Thread Paul Stenquist
Handheld with the K-1 and DA 150-450. f8 at 1/1000th, ISO 1000.
 I’m amazed at how muscular the bird’s chest is. The workout regimen for trying 
to build up the pectorals is a flying motion of sorts with dumbbells. Not 
surprised.

https://www.photo.net/photo/18404005/-sparrow-in-flight


> On Jul 2, 2017, at 1:42 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> Mark C wrote:
> 
>> Rick -
>> 
>> Don't know Macs but my experience has been that housings are far more 
>> likely to fail than the hard drive in them. You are probably planning to 
>> do this anyhow - but it if you are replacing the drive it would be 
>> worthwhile to check the hard drive with another housing.
> 
> The symptoms Rick is describing sound more like hard drive failure
> than housing failure. But as an external housing costs about 20 bucks
> these days it's worth a try.
> 
> I've been having trouble with my backup (external) hard drive for
> months now. Sometimes it wouldn't be recognized by the desktop
> computer at all — powering the drive housing on and off a couple of
> times would sort it out eventually. It seemed like a housing issue
> and, in any case, I thought housings are cheap enough to test that
> idea first. I ordered a new USB3 external housing for $22.95 a couple
> of weeks ago and it not only solved the problem but made my backups
> *much* faster (I'd been using a USB2 drive housing in a USB3 port on
> the computer).
> 
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PESO - Last Hurrah

2017-07-02 Thread Marnie (aka Doe)
Another taken in 2011. On Treasure Island in SF Bay. The island itself 
was built for the 1939 World's Fair. This was a Fair building of some 
kind. Now a museum (a museum that was closed for a long time, open again).


The best views of San Francisco are from Treasure Island. Pretty much 
everything on the island is crumbling now, except for this building. 
Although, supposedly, a massive housing development is planned. Which is 
insanely, incredibly stupid.


The arrows do nothing, pages still not hooked in.

http://www.mapphotography.org/PAWS/pages/island.htm

Comments welcome.

View from the island, if you are interested (this was shown on PDML 
before, so no comments necessary).


http://www.mapphotography.org/PAWS/pages/foggycity.htm

Marnie aka Doe :-)

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Re: Mac external drive trouble

2017-07-02 Thread Mark Roberts
Mark C wrote:

>Rick -
>
>Don't know Macs but my experience has been that housings are far more 
>likely to fail than the hard drive in them. You are probably planning to 
>do this anyhow - but it if you are replacing the drive it would be 
>worthwhile to check the hard drive with another housing.

The symptoms Rick is describing sound more like hard drive failure
than housing failure. But as an external housing costs about 20 bucks
these days it's worth a try.

I've been having trouble with my backup (external) hard drive for
months now. Sometimes it wouldn't be recognized by the desktop
computer at all — powering the drive housing on and off a couple of
times would sort it out eventually. It seemed like a housing issue
and, in any case, I thought housings are cheap enough to test that
idea first. I ordered a new USB3 external housing for $22.95 a couple
of weeks ago and it not only solved the problem but made my backups
*much* faster (I'd been using a USB2 drive housing in a USB3 port on
the computer).
 
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Re: Strange thing

2017-07-02 Thread Mark Roberts
Mark C wrote:

>I feel your pain, Ann.
>
>It seemed that one solution to the "reply to list" issue would be to 
>customize Thunderbird so "reply to list" is on the message toolbar, next 
>to "reply to message". But I've been unable to get that to work - I pull 
>the reply to list button onto the tool bar and it looks just as it 
>should as long as I'm in customize mode. But once I revert to normal 
>operating mode it disappears. Only to reappear when I go back into 
>customize mode.
>
>I've begun experimenting with new mail clients. So far Opera Mail and 
>Mail Bird have been busts for me, but there are plenty of others out there.

Or you can just go back to the previous version of Thunderbird:
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Re: PESO - Red wood ant

2017-07-02 Thread Igor PDML-StR



Jostein, what Bruce has said is exactly my reaction.

The surrounding/background is a good setting for this photo.

The only thing that could be improved is that the leg wouldn't be cut off. 
I am suspecting there was something distracting on the left that forced 
you doing that...



Igor


Bruce Walker Thu, 29 Jun 2017 17:45:49 -0700 wrote:

That's pretty damned amazing and impressive, Jostein!

The effort of posing lifesize models pales in comparison to your chore. :)



On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Jostein  wrote:

http://www.alunfoto.no/bloggposter/2017/06/formica/

Continuing my foray into entomology. A dead insect this time too.
Meticulously prepped and arranged. Getting the legs and antennae right
definitely counts as fiddly bits.

Shot with 645D, FA 200/4 and reversed A 55/2.8 (almost 4X). Stacked from 

a

pile of shots. ~180, iirc.

Jostein



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Re: Mac external drive trouble

2017-07-02 Thread Mark C

Rick -

Don't know Macs but my experience has been that housings are far more 
likely to fail than the hard drive in them. You are probably planning to 
do this anyhow - but it if you are replacing the drive it would be 
worthwhile to check the hard drive with another housing.


Mark

On 7/2/2017 12:32 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

Thanks, Zos.

It’s a Firewire drive; and it appears that Firewire doesn’t carry SMART 
information.

I’m going to order a new drive and contact OWC.

Rick

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On Jul 2, 2017, at 9:10 AM, Zos Xavius  wrote:

I think crystal disk info is available for OS X. It is a decent utility.

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Re: Strange thing

2017-07-02 Thread Marnie (aka Doe)

Okay, trying it (hitting reply list).

Sometimes I am hitting reply which buries my new PESO post in someone 
else's thread. IE what Ann said. So they are hard to find, sometimes, 
plus being annoying too.


Marnie aka Doe :-O



On 7/2/2017 8:29 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-)

alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead of
jsut REPLY  -
some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what i
said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion

At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work
time than weekdays

ann

On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote:

I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at
least) & have to pick them up in comments instead.

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Re: Strange thing

2017-07-02 Thread Mark C

I feel your pain, Ann.

It seemed that one solution to the "reply to list" issue would be to 
customize Thunderbird so "reply to list" is on the message toolbar, next 
to "reply to message". But I've been unable to get that to work - I pull 
the reply to list button onto the tool bar and it looks just as it 
should as long as I'm in customize mode. But once I revert to normal 
operating mode it disappears. Only to reappear when I go back into 
customize mode.


I've begun experimenting with new mail clients. So far Opera Mail and 
Mail Bird have been busts for me, but there are plenty of others out there.


Mark

On 7/2/2017 11:29 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-)

alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead 
of jsut REPLY  -
some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what i 
said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion


At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work 
time than weekdays


ann

On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote:
I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at 
least) & have to pick them up in comments instead.


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Re: Mac external drive trouble

2017-07-02 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Since it's a backup only, and presuming that you haven't needed to retrieve 
anything from it and don't need to now, I'd disconnect it, get another drive, 
and create a new Time Machine backup. Then wipe this drive, connect it up, and 
have it run as a second Time Machine backup. If it fails completely, you're 
done. Otherwise, you have a second drive to use as you see fit. 

I've had this happen from time to time. Hard drives are cheap these days: use 
until they fail, then move on to the next one. There's no software I've ever 
seen that can fix a broken volume file structure without risking the contents 
of the drive anyway. 

I have two 1T notebook class drives set up just this way for my Time Machine 
backup … I created a new one in December, wiped and recreated a new one on the 
second drive in May. I only need 1T backup drives because I only run Time 
Machine on my main 1T system drive, and don't have it back up my Lightroom 
catalog folders. Those are backed up by a separate system onto working and 
archive drives whenever I touch them, along with the original image files.  

G
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The trouble with being punctual is that nobody's there to appreciate it.


> On Jul 1, 2017, at 7:31 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> I have a Toshiba 4TB external drive in an OWC housing that has my Time 
> Machine backup on it (1.8TB so far).
> 
> When I sat down yesterday, it would not mount. Eventually it did, and I ran 
> Disk Utility, which gave me this message:
> 
> 
> Invalid name for directory inode (id=5966587)
> (it should be dir_5966587 instead of temp5966587)
> Incorrect number of directory hard links
> The volume Huge Ext HD could not be verified completely.
> File system check exit code is 8.
> Updating boot support partitions for the volume as 
> File system verify or repair failed.
> Operation failed…
> 
> Is there a way to repair the drive without erasing it? I’d have to buy 
> another drive to hold the data, and I have no other use for one.
> 
> Can the drive be repaired at all, or is it toast?
> 
> Rick



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Re: Mac external drive trouble

2017-07-02 Thread Rick Womer
Thanks, Zos.

It’s a Firewire drive; and it appears that Firewire doesn’t carry SMART 
information.

I’m going to order a new drive and contact OWC.

Rick

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> On Jul 2, 2017, at 9:10 AM, Zos Xavius  wrote:
> 
> I think crystal disk info is available for OS X. It is a decent utility.
> 
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Re: Strange thing

2017-07-02 Thread ann sanfedele

Will everyone using THunderbird please raise your hands :-)

alan - I still have a problem remembering to hit "REPLY LIST" instead of 
jsut REPLY  -
some of the people whose pesos I've commented on , I think, see what i 
said and reply to me and to list for sake of discussion


At the moment I can't look at list much - Weekends arem more my work 
time than weekdays


ann

On 7/2/2017 12:44 AM, Alan C wrote:
I'm not receiving the original posts some PDMLers (Jack & Marnie at 
least) & have to pick them up in comments instead.


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Re: Fwd: Re: PESO - Posed ant

2017-07-02 Thread Jostein

Thanks Mark!
Jostein

Den 01.07.2017 16.39, skrev Mark C:


This and the other one are both superb. Great work!

Mark

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Re: Mac external drive trouble

2017-07-02 Thread Zos Xavius
I think crystal disk info is available for OS X. It is a decent utility.

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Re: Mac external drive trouble

2017-07-02 Thread Zos Xavius
You should get some kind of SMART reporting utility and show what
smart is saying. If has sector errors take the drive out of play
immediately.

On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 9:08 AM, Zos Xavius  wrote:
> That looks like a failing drive that needs to be replaced. Since it is
> a time machine drive I don't know what the correct procedure for
> copying and moving the data over would be. I would imagine that some
> of it is certainly corrupt if it is failing a file system check. Is
> this your only backup? You should be making backups to one drive and
> mirroring it to another in the event that your backup media has failed
> when you need it.
>
> On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 10:31 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
>> I have a Toshiba 4TB external drive in an OWC housing that has my Time 
>> Machine backup on it (1.8TB so far).
>>
>> When I sat down yesterday, it would not mount. Eventually it did, and I ran 
>> Disk Utility, which gave me this message:
>>
>>
>> Invalid name for directory inode (id=5966587)
>> (it should be dir_5966587 instead of temp5966587)
>> Incorrect number of directory hard links
>> The volume Huge Ext HD could not be verified completely.
>> File system check exit code is 8.
>> Updating boot support partitions for the volume as
>> File system verify or repair failed.
>> Operation failed…
>>
>> Is there a way to repair the drive without erasing it? I’d have to buy 
>> another drive to hold the data, and I have no other use for one.
>>
>> Can the drive be repaired at all, or is it toast?
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Mac external drive trouble

2017-07-02 Thread Zos Xavius
That looks like a failing drive that needs to be replaced. Since it is
a time machine drive I don't know what the correct procedure for
copying and moving the data over would be. I would imagine that some
of it is certainly corrupt if it is failing a file system check. Is
this your only backup? You should be making backups to one drive and
mirroring it to another in the event that your backup media has failed
when you need it.

On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 10:31 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> I have a Toshiba 4TB external drive in an OWC housing that has my Time 
> Machine backup on it (1.8TB so far).
>
> When I sat down yesterday, it would not mount. Eventually it did, and I ran 
> Disk Utility, which gave me this message:
>
>
> Invalid name for directory inode (id=5966587)
> (it should be dir_5966587 instead of temp5966587)
> Incorrect number of directory hard links
> The volume Huge Ext HD could not be verified completely.
> File system check exit code is 8.
> Updating boot support partitions for the volume as
> File system verify or repair failed.
> Operation failed…
>
> Is there a way to repair the drive without erasing it? I’d have to buy 
> another drive to hold the data, and I have no other use for one.
>
> Can the drive be repaired at all, or is it toast?
>
> Rick
>
>
>
>
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