Re: PESO - War and Peace (Trier)

[mike wilson]

Certainly does.  Disbars me completely from viewing unless I turn off my 
adblocker.  As a result, I never see photo.net content.  I'm not sure whose 
loss is the greater but I'm fairly sure I can stand the pain.


> On 04 November 2018 at 22:16 Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> 
> The new photo.net now workssimply and flawlessly. Finally. Glad I hung in.
> Paul
> 
> > On Nov 4, 2018, at 4:51 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> > 
> > Thanks, Ann.
> > 
> > Smugmug is frustrating me. That pic takes up about a third of the screen on 
> > my 24in monitor. The link you posted occupies less than a tenth of the 
> > screen, and if it were a vertical image it would be tiny.
> > 
> > I =so= much miss the old photo.net… 
> > 
> > So if you have some reliable sizing tips, I’d welcome them! The Smugmug 
> > “support heroes” haven’t been particularly heroic.
> > 
> > Rick
> > 
> >> On Nov 4, 2018, at 2:51 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> >> 
> >> great looking building.. nice framing..
> >> and since you are in smugmug, I know how to make it smaller so I can see 
> >> the whole thing without the tops and bottoms cut off :-)
> >> 
> >> https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/AMS-to-CDG/Trier/War-and-Peace/i-JgpFJwj/M
> >> 
> >> ann
> >> 
> >>> On 11/4/2018 2:28 PM, Rick Womer wrote:
> >>> Dang. Hate it when I do that!
> >>> 
> >>> https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/AMS-to-CDG/Trier/War-and-Peace/i-JgpFJwj/A
> >>> 
> >>> Rick
> >>> 
>  On Nov 4, 2018, at 2:05 PM, Paul Sorenson  wrote:
>  
>  Link?
>  
>  
> > On 11/4/2018 1:01 PM, Rick Womer wrote:
> > Trier is a German city of 110,000 people, near the Luxembourg border. 
> > It is reputedly the oldest city in Germany, having been founded by 
> > Celts about 300 BC. It has suffered through many wars, most recently in 
> > 1944 and 1945.
> > 
> > There has been a lot of restoration work since then. The inscription 
> > above the door translates (roughly):
> > 
> > “Built 1896. Destroyed in war 1945. Rehabilitated and rebuilt 1988.”
> > 
> > Comments appreciated!
> > 
> > Rick
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Re: PESO - War and Peace (Trier)

[Paul Stenquist]

Nice geometry! Interesting subject.

Paul

> On Nov 4, 2018, at 7:39 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> That is an attractive and well constructed image.
> 
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 2:29 PM Rick Womer  wrote:
>> 
>> Dang. Hate it when I do that!
>> 
>> https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/AMS-to-CDG/Trier/War-and-Peace/i-JgpFJwj/A
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>>> On Nov 4, 2018, at 2:05 PM, Paul Sorenson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Link?
>>> 
>>> 
 On 11/4/2018 1:01 PM, Rick Womer wrote:
 Trier is a German city of 110,000 people, near the Luxembourg border.
>> It is reputedly the oldest city in Germany, having been founded by Celts
>> about 300 BC. It has suffered through many wars, most recently in 1944 and
>> 1945.
 
 There has been a lot of restoration work since then. The inscription
>> above the door translates (roughly):
 
 “Built 1896. Destroyed in war 1945. Rehabilitated and rebuilt 1988.”
 
 Comments appreciated!
 
 Rick
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Re: PESO - War and Peace (Trier)

[Daniel J. Matyola]

That is an attractive and well constructed image.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 2:29 PM Rick Womer  wrote:

> Dang. Hate it when I do that!
>
> https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/AMS-to-CDG/Trier/War-and-Peace/i-JgpFJwj/A
>
> Rick
>
> > On Nov 4, 2018, at 2:05 PM, Paul Sorenson  wrote:
> >
> > Link?
> >
> >
> > On 11/4/2018 1:01 PM, Rick Womer wrote:
> >> Trier is a German city of 110,000 people, near the Luxembourg border.
> It is reputedly the oldest city in Germany, having been founded by Celts
> about 300 BC. It has suffered through many wars, most recently in 1944 and
> 1945.
> >>
> >> There has been a lot of restoration work since then. The inscription
> above the door translates (roughly):
> >>
> >> “Built 1896. Destroyed in war 1945. Rehabilitated and rebuilt 1988.”
> >>
> >> Comments appreciated!
> >>
> >> Rick
> >
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Re: PESO - War and Peace (Trier)

[ann sanfedele]

rick, it is really easy if you know how :-) easier for me to explain on 
the phone while you and I are both looking at the same page..

but basically there is a little sizing thing on the right - at the bottom

I made your photo smaller because on my screen it looks better

here is yours at top size
https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/AMS-to-CDG/Trier/War-and-Peace/i-JgpFJwj/XL

your original file is way too small...    I save my files at 300 ppi  18 
x 12" 5400 x 3624 (depending on proportions, but I most often like this 
aspect ratio)


This is a file of mine at L setting - what I most often use to show 
photos to the list..


https://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2017-2018snaps/i-S5PfW2b/L

this isXL
https://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2017-2018snaps/i-S5PfW2b/XL

this is original :  which I have to reduce by a lot to see on my screen 
but is good for them to print from when people buy my work.


https://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2017-2018snaps/i-S5PfW2b/O

and that is so large it goes off the screen even when I shrink the 
window to 25%


Give me a call if you want more help -- much easier for me -- I thought 
I had your cell number but I cant find it


ann





here is your

On 11/4/2018 4:51 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

Thanks, Ann.

Smugmug is frustrating me. That pic takes up about a third of the screen on my 
24in monitor. The link you posted occupies less than a tenth of the screen, and 
if it were a vertical image it would be tiny.

I =so= much miss the old photo.net…

So if you have some reliable sizing tips, I’d welcome them! The Smugmug 
“support heroes” haven’t been particularly heroic.

Rick


On Nov 4, 2018, at 2:51 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

great looking building.. nice framing..
and since you are in smugmug, I know how to make it smaller so I can see the 
whole thing without the tops and bottoms cut off :-)

https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/AMS-to-CDG/Trier/War-and-Peace/i-JgpFJwj/M

ann

On 11/4/2018 2:28 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

Dang. Hate it when I do that!

https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/AMS-to-CDG/Trier/War-and-Peace/i-JgpFJwj/A

Rick


On Nov 4, 2018, at 2:05 PM, Paul Sorenson  wrote:

Link?


On 11/4/2018 1:01 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

Trier is a German city of 110,000 people, near the Luxembourg border. It is 
reputedly the oldest city in Germany, having been founded by Celts about 300 
BC. It has suffered through many wars, most recently in 1944 and 1945.

There has been a lot of restoration work since then. The inscription above the 
door translates (roughly):

“Built 1896. Destroyed in war 1945. Rehabilitated and rebuilt 1988.”

Comments appreciated!

Rick

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Re: Nuts to Adobe

[Bruce Walker]

Quite so! Yeah, so still an issue although you can at least preserve
your work and manage the assets in Lr.

Hmmm. Still sub-optimal.

On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 5:22 PM Jostein  wrote:
>
> I suspect it will still mean that the adjustments made in Serif-layers
> will not be understood by LR because of the non-Adobe way of encoding them.
>
> Jostein
>
> Den 04.11.2018 22:16, skrev Bruce Walker:
> > Aha! They have listened to user feedback then; good.
> >
> > When I tested it, I complained about that and was told they had no
> > plans to fix it, so tough. (Basically.)
> >
> > So it could be useful after all.
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 4:10 PM Jostein  wrote:
> >> Thanks Bruce.
> >>
> >> Just returned home to a wider network pipeline and dug up this statement
> >> at the Affinity user forum:
> >>
> >> "We have registered our own TIFF tags for embedding Affinity layer data
> >> in a TIFF, in similar fashion to PSD layer data. This is intended for
> >> use with DAMs that use TIFF as their interchange format.  When saving a
> >> TIFF file, if your document has multiple layers you will be given the
> >> option of including Affinity layer data.  This will preserve the
> >> editable elements of a multi-layer document.  This obviously comes at a
> >> cost of increased file size.  Our TIFF tags will use our proprietary
> >> data format and as such can only be used by Affinity applications.
> >>
> >> At this time we have no plans to save TIFF files with the PSD format
> >> layer data.  PSD layer data held in a TIFF file will be imported and
> >> converted to the Affinity format."
> >>
> >> Jostein

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Re: PESO nude study

[Bruce Walker]

Next up: peppers.

:-)

On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 4:39 PM ann sanfedele  wrote:
>
> I see you are in your Edward Weston period
>
> ann
>
> On 11/4/2018 4:13 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
> > >From a studio session on Halloween with a new to me model, Joy
> > Kidston. It's quite likely Safe For Work as no lady bits are visible,
> > but it _is_ a nude, so you know.
> >
> > https://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/Ijdax8ZvD_yo
> >
> > 645z, 90mm/2.8 at f/11, 1/125th sec, iso 200;
> > Post in Lightroom.
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Re: Nuts to Adobe

[Jostein]

I suspect it will still mean that the adjustments made in Serif-layers 
will not be understood by LR because of the non-Adobe way of encoding them.


Jostein

Den 04.11.2018 22:16, skrev Bruce Walker:

Aha! They have listened to user feedback then; good.

When I tested it, I complained about that and was told they had no
plans to fix it, so tough. (Basically.)

So it could be useful after all.

On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 4:10 PM Jostein  wrote:

Thanks Bruce.

Just returned home to a wider network pipeline and dug up this statement
at the Affinity user forum:

"We have registered our own TIFF tags for embedding Affinity layer data
in a TIFF, in similar fashion to PSD layer data. This is intended for
use with DAMs that use TIFF as their interchange format.  When saving a
TIFF file, if your document has multiple layers you will be given the
option of including Affinity layer data.  This will preserve the
editable elements of a multi-layer document.  This obviously comes at a
cost of increased file size.  Our TIFF tags will use our proprietary
data format and as such can only be used by Affinity applications.

At this time we have no plans to save TIFF files with the PSD format
layer data.  PSD layer data held in a TIFF file will be imported and
converted to the Affinity format."

Jostein

Den 04.11.2018 15:51, skrev Bruce Walker:

On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 7:42 AM Jostein Øksne  wrote:

This saving in Affinity, Bruce...
It reads to me like the problem has two components and I'm a little confused 
about what's what.
For starters, you configured Affinity as an external editor in LR, right?

Right.



Then you invoked Affinity from LR, which makes LR create a TIFF that is opened 
in Affinity. Hope I'm still on track.

Correct. Still on track. :-)



Then, when you finished the edit in Affinity, I imagine you saved the TIFF as 
is.

Yup. I save the Affinity-edited version.



Here are the things I haven't quite figured out yet...

Did the the saved edit of the TIFF then show in LR? If not, could the preview 
be refreshed to show it?

Yes, it appears in the Lr Library as expected.



And about the layers... Did Affinity preserve layers in the saved file?

No, it doesn't, and that's the essential problem.
Affinity cannot create a layered TIFF like Photoshop. It flattens the
TIFF so all your intermediate editing steps -- the layers -- are gone
forever.

As one reviewer pointed out you can save the edited file separately
from within Affinity as a proprietary Affinity file but Lightroom
can't manage that as an asset, so it can (and will likely) go astray.



Jostein the slow learner...

That I doubt. :-)



Den 4. november 2018 02.54.04 CET, skrev Bruce Walker :

No, no. I was evaluating AP as a possible substitute for Photoshop. So
Edit-in-Affinity must be able to accept a TIFF file, edit that into a
layered TIFF, then write it back to Lightroom, just like Photoshop
does. Ie: the workflow expected by your regular Lightroom user.

It can't do that. So ... /next/.

On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 6:16 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi
 wrote:

That’s great, but if you’re using AP as your external editor for LR,

why are you using Photoshop to generate files?

G



On Nov 3, 2018, at 1:49 PM, Bruce Walker 

wrote:

Godfrey, then it must have been a year ago then. They were pushing

the

impending release with a big social media and blogging sites

campaign

and urging folks to give the beta a test as it was to be released
shortly.


You don't _make_ a layered file in Lightroom. You receive one back
into Lightroom from an external editor, like Photoshop.

Example: starting in Lightroom with a DNG file in your library, you
invoke Edit-in Photoshop. That sends the file to Photoshop where it
appears as a single layer in a freshly opened file.

You edit this. Create some adjustment layers. Now Save.

That sends the edited copy of the file back to Lightroom as a

layered

TIFF where it appears in the catalog as a new file. I stack that

with

the original for less confusion.

If you re-edit that edited TIFF you will find that the entire thing

is

there intact with all layers, meta info, etc.

Clear?


On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 4:18 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi

 wrote:

Since Affinity Photo was still in beta release in mid-spring of

2017 and didn't go final until after August 2017 far as I can tell, I
doubt you were working with the "final beta" if it was a couple of
years ago.

I don't really understand the workflow that your comments propose.

I'm not entirely sure how I make a "layered TIFF" or "layered PSD" file
in Lightroom to begin with. Lightroom's use of layers is internal. ??

But for sure, if it's all of Photoshop that you want, just use

Photoshop.

G



On Nov 3, 2018, at 12:42 PM, Bruce Walker

 wrote:

I'm certainly willing to update my opinion about Affinity's
capabilities, but I was unable to complete a review of it myself

when

I tested their final beta a couple of years ago.

The first issue I had was completely wacky colour shifts when I

Re: PESO - War and Peace (Trier)

[Paul Stenquist]

The new photo.net now workssimply and flawlessly. Finally. Glad I hung in.
Paul

> On Nov 4, 2018, at 4:51 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Ann.
> 
> Smugmug is frustrating me. That pic takes up about a third of the screen on 
> my 24in monitor. The link you posted occupies less than a tenth of the 
> screen, and if it were a vertical image it would be tiny.
> 
> I =so= much miss the old photo.net… 
> 
> So if you have some reliable sizing tips, I’d welcome them! The Smugmug 
> “support heroes” haven’t been particularly heroic.
> 
> Rick
> 
>> On Nov 4, 2018, at 2:51 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>> 
>> great looking building.. nice framing..
>> and since you are in smugmug, I know how to make it smaller so I can see the 
>> whole thing without the tops and bottoms cut off :-)
>> 
>> https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/AMS-to-CDG/Trier/War-and-Peace/i-JgpFJwj/M
>> 
>> ann
>> 
>>> On 11/4/2018 2:28 PM, Rick Womer wrote:
>>> Dang. Hate it when I do that!
>>> 
>>> https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/AMS-to-CDG/Trier/War-and-Peace/i-JgpFJwj/A
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
 On Nov 4, 2018, at 2:05 PM, Paul Sorenson  wrote:
 
 Link?
 
 
> On 11/4/2018 1:01 PM, Rick Womer wrote:
> Trier is a German city of 110,000 people, near the Luxembourg border. It 
> is reputedly the oldest city in Germany, having been founded by Celts 
> about 300 BC. It has suffered through many wars, most recently in 1944 
> and 1945.
> 
> There has been a lot of restoration work since then. The inscription 
> above the door translates (roughly):
> 
> “Built 1896. Destroyed in war 1945. Rehabilitated and rebuilt 1988.”
> 
> Comments appreciated!
> 
> Rick
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Re: PESO - War and Peace (Trier)

[Rick Womer]

Thanks, Ann.

Smugmug is frustrating me. That pic takes up about a third of the screen on my 
24in monitor. The link you posted occupies less than a tenth of the screen, and 
if it were a vertical image it would be tiny.

I =so= much miss the old photo.net… 

So if you have some reliable sizing tips, I’d welcome them! The Smugmug 
“support heroes” haven’t been particularly heroic.

Rick

> On Nov 4, 2018, at 2:51 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> great looking building.. nice framing..
> and since you are in smugmug, I know how to make it smaller so I can see the 
> whole thing without the tops and bottoms cut off :-)
> 
> https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/AMS-to-CDG/Trier/War-and-Peace/i-JgpFJwj/M
> 
> ann
> 
> On 11/4/2018 2:28 PM, Rick Womer wrote:
>> Dang. Hate it when I do that!
>> 
>> https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/AMS-to-CDG/Trier/War-and-Peace/i-JgpFJwj/A
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>>> On Nov 4, 2018, at 2:05 PM, Paul Sorenson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Link?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 11/4/2018 1:01 PM, Rick Womer wrote:
 Trier is a German city of 110,000 people, near the Luxembourg border. It 
 is reputedly the oldest city in Germany, having been founded by Celts 
 about 300 BC. It has suffered through many wars, most recently in 1944 and 
 1945.
 
 There has been a lot of restoration work since then. The inscription above 
 the door translates (roughly):
 
 “Built 1896. Destroyed in war 1945. Rehabilitated and rebuilt 1988.”
 
 Comments appreciated!
 
 Rick
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Re: PESO nude study

[ann sanfedele]

I see you are in your Edward Weston period

ann

On 11/4/2018 4:13 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

>From a studio session on Halloween with a new to me model, Joy
Kidston. It's quite likely Safe For Work as no lady bits are visible,
but it _is_ a nude, so you know.

https://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/Ijdax8ZvD_yo

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Re: Nuts to Adobe

[Bruce Walker]

Aha! They have listened to user feedback then; good.

When I tested it, I complained about that and was told they had no
plans to fix it, so tough. (Basically.)

So it could be useful after all.

On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 4:10 PM Jostein  wrote:
>
> Thanks Bruce.
>
> Just returned home to a wider network pipeline and dug up this statement
> at the Affinity user forum:
>
> "We have registered our own TIFF tags for embedding Affinity layer data
> in a TIFF, in similar fashion to PSD layer data. This is intended for
> use with DAMs that use TIFF as their interchange format.  When saving a
> TIFF file, if your document has multiple layers you will be given the
> option of including Affinity layer data.  This will preserve the
> editable elements of a multi-layer document.  This obviously comes at a
> cost of increased file size.  Our TIFF tags will use our proprietary
> data format and as such can only be used by Affinity applications.
>
> At this time we have no plans to save TIFF files with the PSD format
> layer data.  PSD layer data held in a TIFF file will be imported and
> converted to the Affinity format."
>
> Jostein
>
> Den 04.11.2018 15:51, skrev Bruce Walker:
> > On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 7:42 AM Jostein Øksne  wrote:
> >> This saving in Affinity, Bruce...
> >> It reads to me like the problem has two components and I'm a little 
> >> confused about what's what.
> >> For starters, you configured Affinity as an external editor in LR, right?
> > Right.
> >
> >
> >> Then you invoked Affinity from LR, which makes LR create a TIFF that is 
> >> opened in Affinity. Hope I'm still on track.
> > Correct. Still on track. :-)
> >
> >
> >> Then, when you finished the edit in Affinity, I imagine you saved the TIFF 
> >> as is.
> > Yup. I save the Affinity-edited version.
> >
> >
> >> Here are the things I haven't quite figured out yet...
> >>
> >> Did the the saved edit of the TIFF then show in LR? If not, could the 
> >> preview be refreshed to show it?
> > Yes, it appears in the Lr Library as expected.
> >
> >
> >> And about the layers... Did Affinity preserve layers in the saved file?
> > No, it doesn't, and that's the essential problem.
> > Affinity cannot create a layered TIFF like Photoshop. It flattens the
> > TIFF so all your intermediate editing steps -- the layers -- are gone
> > forever.
> >
> > As one reviewer pointed out you can save the edited file separately
> > from within Affinity as a proprietary Affinity file but Lightroom
> > can't manage that as an asset, so it can (and will likely) go astray.
> >
> >
> >> Jostein the slow learner...
> > That I doubt. :-)
> >
> >
> >> Den 4. november 2018 02.54.04 CET, skrev Bruce Walker 
> >> :
> >>> No, no. I was evaluating AP as a possible substitute for Photoshop. So
> >>> Edit-in-Affinity must be able to accept a TIFF file, edit that into a
> >>> layered TIFF, then write it back to Lightroom, just like Photoshop
> >>> does. Ie: the workflow expected by your regular Lightroom user.
> >>>
> >>> It can't do that. So ... /next/.
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 6:16 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi
> >>>  wrote:
>  That’s great, but if you’re using AP as your external editor for LR,
> >>> why are you using Photoshop to generate files?
>  G
> 
> 
> > On Nov 3, 2018, at 1:49 PM, Bruce Walker 
> >>> wrote:
> > Godfrey, then it must have been a year ago then. They were pushing
> >>> the
> > impending release with a big social media and blogging sites
> >>> campaign
> > and urging folks to give the beta a test as it was to be released
> > shortly.
> >
> >
> > You don't _make_ a layered file in Lightroom. You receive one back
> > into Lightroom from an external editor, like Photoshop.
> >
> > Example: starting in Lightroom with a DNG file in your library, you
> > invoke Edit-in Photoshop. That sends the file to Photoshop where it
> > appears as a single layer in a freshly opened file.
> >
> > You edit this. Create some adjustment layers. Now Save.
> >
> > That sends the edited copy of the file back to Lightroom as a
> >>> layered
> > TIFF where it appears in the catalog as a new file. I stack that
> >>> with
> > the original for less confusion.
> >
> > If you re-edit that edited TIFF you will find that the entire thing
> >>> is
> > there intact with all layers, meta info, etc.
> >
> > Clear?
> >
> >> On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 4:18 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi
> >>>  wrote:
> >> Since Affinity Photo was still in beta release in mid-spring of
> >>> 2017 and didn't go final until after August 2017 far as I can tell, I
> >>> doubt you were working with the "final beta" if it was a couple of
> >>> years ago.
> >> I don't really understand the workflow that your comments propose.
> >>> I'm not entirely sure how I make a "layered TIFF" or "layered PSD" file
> >>> in Lightroom to begin with. Lightroom's use of layers is internal. ??
> >> But for sure, if it's all of 

Re: Nuts to Adobe

[Jostein]

Den 04.11.2018 22:06, skrev Bruce Walker:

But Jostein was looking for a replacement for Photoshop as an external
editor for Lightroom, presumably to do more than just add a border.


Ha! So it's you who has been looking at my website! I wondered who that 
visitor was. :-)


Actually I add my borders in Lightroom, using the LR/mogrify plugin. So 
you're absolutely right. I need an editor for layer blending, for layer 
masks too intricate for LR, for final retouch of deep stacks made by 
Zerene... the list goes on.


Jostein


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PESO nude study

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>From a studio session on Halloween with a new to me model, Joy
Kidston. It's quite likely Safe For Work as no lady bits are visible,
but it _is_ a nude, so you know.

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Re: Nuts to Adobe

[Jostein]

Thanks Bruce.

Just returned home to a wider network pipeline and dug up this statement 
at the Affinity user forum:


"We have registered our own TIFF tags for embedding Affinity layer data 
in a TIFF, in similar fashion to PSD layer data. This is intended for 
use with DAMs that use TIFF as their interchange format.  When saving a 
TIFF file, if your document has multiple layers you will be given the 
option of including Affinity layer data.  This will preserve the 
editable elements of a multi-layer document.  This obviously comes at a 
cost of increased file size.  Our TIFF tags will use our proprietary 
data format and as such can only be used by Affinity applications.


At this time we have no plans to save TIFF files with the PSD format 
layer data.  PSD layer data held in a TIFF file will be imported and 
converted to the Affinity format."


Jostein

Den 04.11.2018 15:51, skrev Bruce Walker:

On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 7:42 AM Jostein Øksne  wrote:

This saving in Affinity, Bruce...
It reads to me like the problem has two components and I'm a little confused 
about what's what.
For starters, you configured Affinity as an external editor in LR, right?

Right.



Then you invoked Affinity from LR, which makes LR create a TIFF that is opened 
in Affinity. Hope I'm still on track.

Correct. Still on track. :-)



Then, when you finished the edit in Affinity, I imagine you saved the TIFF as 
is.

Yup. I save the Affinity-edited version.



Here are the things I haven't quite figured out yet...

Did the the saved edit of the TIFF then show in LR? If not, could the preview 
be refreshed to show it?

Yes, it appears in the Lr Library as expected.



And about the layers... Did Affinity preserve layers in the saved file?

No, it doesn't, and that's the essential problem.
Affinity cannot create a layered TIFF like Photoshop. It flattens the
TIFF so all your intermediate editing steps -- the layers -- are gone
forever.

As one reviewer pointed out you can save the edited file separately
from within Affinity as a proprietary Affinity file but Lightroom
can't manage that as an asset, so it can (and will likely) go astray.



Jostein the slow learner...

That I doubt. :-)



Den 4. november 2018 02.54.04 CET, skrev Bruce Walker :

No, no. I was evaluating AP as a possible substitute for Photoshop. So
Edit-in-Affinity must be able to accept a TIFF file, edit that into a
layered TIFF, then write it back to Lightroom, just like Photoshop
does. Ie: the workflow expected by your regular Lightroom user.

It can't do that. So ... /next/.

On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 6:16 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi
 wrote:

That’s great, but if you’re using AP as your external editor for LR,

why are you using Photoshop to generate files?

G



On Nov 3, 2018, at 1:49 PM, Bruce Walker 

wrote:

Godfrey, then it must have been a year ago then. They were pushing

the

impending release with a big social media and blogging sites

campaign

and urging folks to give the beta a test as it was to be released
shortly.


You don't _make_ a layered file in Lightroom. You receive one back
into Lightroom from an external editor, like Photoshop.

Example: starting in Lightroom with a DNG file in your library, you
invoke Edit-in Photoshop. That sends the file to Photoshop where it
appears as a single layer in a freshly opened file.

You edit this. Create some adjustment layers. Now Save.

That sends the edited copy of the file back to Lightroom as a

layered

TIFF where it appears in the catalog as a new file. I stack that

with

the original for less confusion.

If you re-edit that edited TIFF you will find that the entire thing

is

there intact with all layers, meta info, etc.

Clear?


On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 4:18 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi

 wrote:

Since Affinity Photo was still in beta release in mid-spring of

2017 and didn't go final until after August 2017 far as I can tell, I
doubt you were working with the "final beta" if it was a couple of
years ago.

I don't really understand the workflow that your comments propose.

I'm not entirely sure how I make a "layered TIFF" or "layered PSD" file
in Lightroom to begin with. Lightroom's use of layers is internal. ??

But for sure, if it's all of Photoshop that you want, just use

Photoshop.

G



On Nov 3, 2018, at 12:42 PM, Bruce Walker

 wrote:

I'm certainly willing to update my opinion about Affinity's
capabilities, but I was unable to complete a review of it myself

when

I tested their final beta a couple of years ago.

The first issue I had was completely wacky colour shifts when I
imported a file from Lightroom. I assume they have fixed that by

now.

But the utter deal-killer was that although you can configure it

as an

external editor to Lightroom and it will import a layered TIFF,

it

cannot write a layered TIFF (or a PSD) back to Lightroom. So if I

used

it as an external editor I lost all my carefully constructed

layers

when the file was flattened to save it back. That is 100% useless

to

me as my 

Re: Nuts to Adobe

[Bruce Walker]

Godfrey, okay: strike "regular Lightroom user". I really meant
"regular Lightroom user who uses Photoshop extensively as an external
editor" anyway.

But Jostein was looking for a replacement for Photoshop as an external
editor for Lightroom, presumably to do more than just add a border.

I suggest that as it does not save the full state of the file,
Affinity fails to meet that criteria. If flattening the TIFF is not an
issue, then Affinity may well be fine for him, and others.

And yes, I did indeed decide to stick with using Photoshop in my
workflow. I went ahead and upgraded to CC after many years of waiting
for somebody to come up with a usable (for me) alternative to Adobe's
stuff.

On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 1:59 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>
> Bruce,
>
> Those are *your* requirements: preserving your exact Adobe LR+PS workflow. I 
> would not presume that that is the expectation of a "regular Lightroom user" 
> at all.
>
> I've been using Lightroom since it was Public Beta 2 in 2006. As the years 
> have gone on, I have discarded using Photoshop entirely—where all the 
> complexities of layered TIFFs/PSDs, etc, make sense—because I have no need 
> Photoshops graphics capabilities for my photography. I use Lightroom to do 
> the raw conversion and finishing work on my photos, with the sole exception 
> of the little ragged black border that I emplace with Flare 2 or SnapSeed. So 
> I have absolutely no need of layered TIFFs, etc.
>
> When I use external editors launched from LR *other* than PS, I'm not looking 
> to replicate PS features. I'm looking to do something that some other app 
> does a little better, a little more simply, a little more conveniently. That, 
> as far as I've seen from teaching LR and PS courses, is far more what the 
> average LR user does with external editors other than Photoshop.
>
> Affinity Photo does an excellent job of raw conversion and finishing 
> comparable to Lightroom's capabilities, and that's what I'd buy it to 
> replace. The very occasional need I have to edit a document with text and 
> graphics emplacements, it does that well too. I have no need of a Photoshop 
> replacement, although for many folks it will suffice for that. What it 
> doesn't do that LR does so well is simple image management and templated 
> operations for printing and slide show production. I haven't found tools yet 
> that do this as well as LR does, so as long as LR 6.14 continues to operate, 
> I'll be sticking with it. Unless I happen to find something that actually 
> does these things better.
>
> If AP doesn't work for you, and you want an exact clone of Photoshop to 
> support your current workflow, well, just stick with Photoshop. It'll do the 
> best job. :)
>
> G
>
> > On Nov 3, 2018, at 6:54 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> >
> > No, no. I was evaluating AP as a possible substitute for Photoshop. So
> > Edit-in-Affinity must be able to accept a TIFF file, edit that into a
> > layered TIFF, then write it back to Lightroom, just like Photoshop
> > does. Ie: the workflow expected by your regular Lightroom user.
> >
> > It can't do that. So ... /next/.
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 6:16 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi  
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> That’s great, but if you’re using AP as your external editor for LR, why 
> >> are you using Photoshop to generate files?
> >>
> >> G
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Nov 3, 2018, at 1:49 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Godfrey, then it must have been a year ago then. They were pushing the
> >>> impending release with a big social media and blogging sites campaign
> >>> and urging folks to give the beta a test as it was to be released
> >>> shortly.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> You don't _make_ a layered file in Lightroom. You receive one back
> >>> into Lightroom from an external editor, like Photoshop.
> >>>
> >>> Example: starting in Lightroom with a DNG file in your library, you
> >>> invoke Edit-in Photoshop. That sends the file to Photoshop where it
> >>> appears as a single layer in a freshly opened file.
> >>>
> >>> You edit this. Create some adjustment layers. Now Save.
> >>>
> >>> That sends the edited copy of the file back to Lightroom as a layered
> >>> TIFF where it appears in the catalog as a new file. I stack that with
> >>> the original for less confusion.
> >>>
> >>> If you re-edit that edited TIFF you will find that the entire thing is
> >>> there intact with all layers, meta info, etc.
> >>>
> >>> Clear?
> >>>
>  On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 4:18 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi  
>  wrote:
> 
>  Since Affinity Photo was still in beta release in mid-spring of 2017 and 
>  didn't go final until after August 2017 far as I can tell, I doubt you 
>  were working with the "final beta" if it was a couple of years ago.
> 
>  I don't really understand the workflow that your comments propose. I'm 
>  not entirely sure how I make a "layered TIFF" or "layered PSD" file in 
>  Lightroom to begin with. Lightroom's use of layers is internal. ??
> 
>  

Re: Peso

[Jack Davis]

Quite a few leaves were cropped off,
and I'll clone out this one very soon.
Thanks for commenting, Rick!
J


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 4, 2018, at 10:37 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> This is a beautiful, clear, nicely composed image, Jack.
> 
> Directly over the eagle’s head is a cluster of leaves that is distracting, 
> especially since at first glance it appears to be another bird. Methinks thou 
> shouldst zap it.
> 
> Rick
> 
>> On Nov 4, 2018, at 9:33 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>> 
>> above the photo it says "click image to view in slide show"  I did 
>> that...then I saw it was a vertical photo. Never noticed the tiny circlewith 
>> the plus
>> until you pointed it out, Paul...
>> 
>> 
>>> On 11/3/2018 11:03 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote:
>>> Using Firefox 63.0.1 the image initially comes up huge, with the mouse 
>>> cursor showing as a magnifying glass containing a plus sign. Clicking on 
>>> the image returns the cursor and the image to "normal".
>>> 
>>> -p
>>> 
>>> 
 On 11/3/2018 6:12 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
 Ann, hope you don't have the idea I'm
 entertaining myself with these recent
 frustrating greatly oversized eagle
 images.
 I thought you certainly wouldn't be one to not imagine my frustration!!
 Sent from my iPhone
 J
 
> On Nov 3, 2018, at 3:30 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> I need to use "ctrl -"  to 30% (not BY 30%) and it still bleeds off my 
> monitor. But then there are a number of people who post here whose images 
> need to be reduced with that method to see the whole image...  I blame 
> the technology that has decided everyone has a smart phone and doesnt  
> look at anything on line any other way.
> 
> ann
> 
>> On 11/3/2018 5:39 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
>> 
>> Gray Lodge Eagle (?)
>> 
>> 
>> Attempt at smaller image
>> 
>> 
>> May need to start over as I had to skip some time with this one.
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.photo.net/photo/18504987
>> 
>> 
>> J
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Re: PESO - War and Peace (Trier)

[ann sanfedele]

great looking building.. nice framing..
and since you are in smugmug, I know how to make it smaller so I can see 
the whole thing without the tops and bottoms cut off :-)


https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/AMS-to-CDG/Trier/War-and-Peace/i-JgpFJwj/M

ann

On 11/4/2018 2:28 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

Dang. Hate it when I do that!

https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/AMS-to-CDG/Trier/War-and-Peace/i-JgpFJwj/A

Rick


On Nov 4, 2018, at 2:05 PM, Paul Sorenson  wrote:

Link?


On 11/4/2018 1:01 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

Trier is a German city of 110,000 people, near the Luxembourg border. It is 
reputedly the oldest city in Germany, having been founded by Celts about 300 
BC. It has suffered through many wars, most recently in 1944 and 1945.

There has been a lot of restoration work since then. The inscription above the 
door translates (roughly):

“Built 1896. Destroyed in war 1945. Rehabilitated and rebuilt 1988.”

Comments appreciated!

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Re: PESO - War and Peace (Trier)

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Bob, you are correct: it is Marx’s birthplace.

Rick

> On Nov 4, 2018, at 2:07 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> Would love to comment, if only there were a link...
> 
> I spent a few days in Trier in 1980 while hitch-hiking around Europe - lovely 
> place. I believe K Marx was born there.
> 
>> On 4 Nov 2018, at 19:02, Rick Womer  wrote:
>> 
>> Trier is a German city of 110,000 people, near the Luxembourg border. It is 
>> reputedly the oldest city in Germany, having been founded by Celts about 300 
>> BC. It has suffered through many wars, most recently in 1944 and 1945.
>> 
>> There has been a lot of restoration work since then. The inscription above 
>> the door translates (roughly):
>> 
>> “Built 1896. Destroyed in war 1945. Rehabilitated and rebuilt 1988.”
>> 
>> Comments appreciated!
>> 
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Re: PESO - War and Peace (Trier)

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Dang. Hate it when I do that!

https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/AMS-to-CDG/Trier/War-and-Peace/i-JgpFJwj/A

Rick

> On Nov 4, 2018, at 2:05 PM, Paul Sorenson  wrote:
> 
> Link?
> 
> 
> On 11/4/2018 1:01 PM, Rick Womer wrote:
>> Trier is a German city of 110,000 people, near the Luxembourg border. It is 
>> reputedly the oldest city in Germany, having been founded by Celts about 300 
>> BC. It has suffered through many wars, most recently in 1944 and 1945.
>> 
>> There has been a lot of restoration work since then. The inscription above 
>> the door translates (roughly):
>> 
>> “Built 1896. Destroyed in war 1945. Rehabilitated and rebuilt 1988.”
>> 
>> Comments appreciated!
>> 
>> Rick
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Re: PESO - War and Peace (Trier)

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Would love to comment, if only there were a link...

I spent a few days in Trier in 1980 while hitch-hiking around Europe - lovely 
place. I believe K Marx was born there.

> On 4 Nov 2018, at 19:02, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> Trier is a German city of 110,000 people, near the Luxembourg border. It is 
> reputedly the oldest city in Germany, having been founded by Celts about 300 
> BC. It has suffered through many wars, most recently in 1944 and 1945.
> 
> There has been a lot of restoration work since then. The inscription above 
> the door translates (roughly):
> 
> “Built 1896. Destroyed in war 1945. Rehabilitated and rebuilt 1988.”
> 
> Comments appreciated!
> 
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Re: PESO - War and Peace (Trier)

[Paul Sorenson]

Link?


On 11/4/2018 1:01 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

Trier is a German city of 110,000 people, near the Luxembourg border. It is 
reputedly the oldest city in Germany, having been founded by Celts about 300 
BC. It has suffered through many wars, most recently in 1944 and 1945.

There has been a lot of restoration work since then. The inscription above the 
door translates (roughly):

“Built 1896. Destroyed in war 1945. Rehabilitated and rebuilt 1988.”

Comments appreciated!

Rick


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PESO - War and Peace (Trier)

[Rick Womer]

Trier is a German city of 110,000 people, near the Luxembourg border. It is 
reputedly the oldest city in Germany, having been founded by Celts about 300 
BC. It has suffered through many wars, most recently in 1944 and 1945.

There has been a lot of restoration work since then. The inscription above the 
door translates (roughly):

“Built 1896. Destroyed in war 1945. Rehabilitated and rebuilt 1988.”

Comments appreciated!

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Re: Nuts to Adobe

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Bruce, 

Those are *your* requirements: preserving your exact Adobe LR+PS workflow. I 
would not presume that that is the expectation of a "regular Lightroom user" at 
all. 

I've been using Lightroom since it was Public Beta 2 in 2006. As the years have 
gone on, I have discarded using Photoshop entirely—where all the complexities 
of layered TIFFs/PSDs, etc, make sense—because I have no need Photoshops 
graphics capabilities for my photography. I use Lightroom to do the raw 
conversion and finishing work on my photos, with the sole exception of the 
little ragged black border that I emplace with Flare 2 or SnapSeed. So I have 
absolutely no need of layered TIFFs, etc. 

When I use external editors launched from LR *other* than PS, I'm not looking 
to replicate PS features. I'm looking to do something that some other app does 
a little better, a little more simply, a little more conveniently. That, as far 
as I've seen from teaching LR and PS courses, is far more what the average LR 
user does with external editors other than Photoshop.

Affinity Photo does an excellent job of raw conversion and finishing comparable 
to Lightroom's capabilities, and that's what I'd buy it to replace. The very 
occasional need I have to edit a document with text and graphics emplacements, 
it does that well too. I have no need of a Photoshop replacement, although for 
many folks it will suffice for that. What it doesn't do that LR does so well is 
simple image management and templated operations for printing and slide show 
production. I haven't found tools yet that do this as well as LR does, so as 
long as LR 6.14 continues to operate, I'll be sticking with it. Unless I happen 
to find something that actually does these things better. 

If AP doesn't work for you, and you want an exact clone of Photoshop to support 
your current workflow, well, just stick with Photoshop. It'll do the best job. 
:)

G

> On Nov 3, 2018, at 6:54 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> No, no. I was evaluating AP as a possible substitute for Photoshop. So
> Edit-in-Affinity must be able to accept a TIFF file, edit that into a
> layered TIFF, then write it back to Lightroom, just like Photoshop
> does. Ie: the workflow expected by your regular Lightroom user.
> 
> It can't do that. So ... /next/.
> 
> On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 6:16 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi  
> wrote:
>> 
>> That’s great, but if you’re using AP as your external editor for LR, why are 
>> you using Photoshop to generate files?
>> 
>> G
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 3, 2018, at 1:49 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Godfrey, then it must have been a year ago then. They were pushing the
>>> impending release with a big social media and blogging sites campaign
>>> and urging folks to give the beta a test as it was to be released
>>> shortly.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> You don't _make_ a layered file in Lightroom. You receive one back
>>> into Lightroom from an external editor, like Photoshop.
>>> 
>>> Example: starting in Lightroom with a DNG file in your library, you
>>> invoke Edit-in Photoshop. That sends the file to Photoshop where it
>>> appears as a single layer in a freshly opened file.
>>> 
>>> You edit this. Create some adjustment layers. Now Save.
>>> 
>>> That sends the edited copy of the file back to Lightroom as a layered
>>> TIFF where it appears in the catalog as a new file. I stack that with
>>> the original for less confusion.
>>> 
>>> If you re-edit that edited TIFF you will find that the entire thing is
>>> there intact with all layers, meta info, etc.
>>> 
>>> Clear?
>>> 
 On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 4:18 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi  
 wrote:
 
 Since Affinity Photo was still in beta release in mid-spring of 2017 and 
 didn't go final until after August 2017 far as I can tell, I doubt you 
 were working with the "final beta" if it was a couple of years ago.
 
 I don't really understand the workflow that your comments propose. I'm not 
 entirely sure how I make a "layered TIFF" or "layered PSD" file in 
 Lightroom to begin with. Lightroom's use of layers is internal. ??
 
 But for sure, if it's all of Photoshop that you want, just use Photoshop.
 
 G
 
 
> On Nov 3, 2018, at 12:42 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> I'm certainly willing to update my opinion about Affinity's
> capabilities, but I was unable to complete a review of it myself when
> I tested their final beta a couple of years ago.
> 
> The first issue I had was completely wacky colour shifts when I
> imported a file from Lightroom. I assume they have fixed that by now.
> 
> But the utter deal-killer was that although you can configure it as an
> external editor to Lightroom and it will import a layered TIFF, it
> cannot write a layered TIFF (or a PSD) back to Lightroom. So if I used
> it as an external editor I lost all my carefully constructed layers
> when the file was flattened to save it back. That is 100% useless to
> me as my 

Camera not reading lenses: what could be the reason?

[Igor PDML-StR]

Upon arrival to Universal studios park,  I 've discovered that my camera 
(k-5sii) refused to read any lens (I tried 3 different ones).

It showed "F--" on the display.

I've tried to clean the contacts, powercycled it by taking out the 
battery... Nothing helped.


Any ideas on what could be the culprit and what I can try "in the field"?

Please cc me, if possible for the ease of reading responses on the road.


Igor

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Re: Peso

[Rick Womer]

This is a beautiful, clear, nicely composed image, Jack.

Directly over the eagle’s head is a cluster of leaves that is distracting, 
especially since at first glance it appears to be another bird. Methinks thou 
shouldst zap it.

Rick

> On Nov 4, 2018, at 9:33 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> above the photo it says "click image to view in slide show"  I did 
> that...then I saw it was a vertical photo. Never noticed the tiny circlewith 
> the plus
> until you pointed it out, Paul...
> 
> 
> On 11/3/2018 11:03 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote:
>> Using Firefox 63.0.1 the image initially comes up huge, with the mouse 
>> cursor showing as a magnifying glass containing a plus sign. Clicking on the 
>> image returns the cursor and the image to "normal".
>> 
>> -p
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/3/2018 6:12 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
>>> Ann, hope you don't have the idea I'm
>>> entertaining myself with these recent
>>> frustrating greatly oversized eagle
>>> images.
>>> I thought you certainly wouldn't be one to not imagine my frustration!!
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> J
>>> 
 On Nov 3, 2018, at 3:30 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
 
 I need to use "ctrl -"  to 30% (not BY 30%) and it still bleeds off my 
 monitor. But then there are a number of people who post here whose images 
 need to be reduced with that method to see the whole image...  I blame the 
 technology that has decided everyone has a smart phone and doesnt  look at 
 anything on line any other way.
 
 ann
 
> On 11/3/2018 5:39 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
> 
> Gray Lodge Eagle (?)
> 
> 
> Attempt at smaller image
> 
> 
> May need to start over as I had to skip some time with this one.
> 
> 
> https://www.photo.net/photo/18504987
> 
> 
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Re: MBP RIP

[Rick Womer]

Cotty,

I went to the Rossman website, and they provide free estimates; and say that 
repair of liquid damage is usually $325-$450.

I bought a new (to me) 2015 MBP Friday, because I’m as dependent on it for work 
as you are. If I can have a second working computer for $325-450, though, it 
would be dandy.

Alas, no trips to the Mother Country planned. Heading across the pond for a 
conference in Rome in a few days, though.

Rick


> On Nov 4, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 4/11/18, Rick Womer, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> Cotty, the area of corrosion is fairly large. One capacitor now, other
>> components later...
> 
> Understood Rick.
> 
> If there is an area of 'corrosion' on the PCB, I certainly stand corrected. 
> Have you ever spilled liquid on top of the keyboard or has it ever got wet? 
> In normal domestic operation 'corrosion' on PCBs is not very common.
> 
> The capacitor I mention is a design flaw in that it doesn't seem to have the 
> longevity to do the job it's supposed to, hence when it fails the machine 
> won't usually boot up. Replacing this cap will doubtless allow it to boot 
> again.
> 
> I'm not saying that this is viable for you, or that you should be doing this 
> - all I'm saying is that most repair techs won't know about this (bad cap) 
> issue and will put it down to anything else that fits into their sphere of 
> recognition.
> 
> I simply mention it because it is highly likely to be the cause of your 2008 
> MBP not booting up. If you're ever due this way, by all means bring it along 
> and I'll fix it for you :-)
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
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> 
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cheeky ebay Pentax camera seller

[ann sanfedele]

 got this message  this morning from an ebayer with handle : boldybo

who poses question supposedly about MY listing  (of my friends k1000 and 
a couple of star d lenses) . to wit:


"I have a camera like yours and how do I open up the back I'm not too 
familiar with cameras"


but he is selling one nonetheless.. here is his listing:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Asahi-Pentax-K1000-35mm-Flim-camera-2-lens-50mm-55mm/153246340951?hash=item23ae319757:g:TSIAAOSwxFVb3xj9

I actually answered his question (before seeing that he was actually 
selling one!) and wondred in my reply what he was doing with a full 
manual film camera
if he knew little about cameras, if he didn't mind my asking , since he 
clearly wasn't going to be my customer.


Then I looked him up...

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Re: MBP RIP

[Steve Cottrell]

On 4/11/18, Rick Womer, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Cotty, the area of corrosion is fairly large. One capacitor now, other
>components later...

Understood Rick.

If there is an area of 'corrosion' on the PCB, I certainly stand corrected. 
Have you ever spilled liquid on top of the keyboard or has it ever got wet? In 
normal domestic operation 'corrosion' on PCBs is not very common.

The capacitor I mention is a design flaw in that it doesn't seem to have the 
longevity to do the job it's supposed to, hence when it fails the machine won't 
usually boot up. Replacing this cap will doubtless allow it to boot again.

I'm not saying that this is viable for you, or that you should be doing this - 
all I'm saying is that most repair techs won't know about this (bad cap) issue 
and will put it down to anything else that fits into their sphere of 
recognition.

I simply mention it because it is highly likely to be the cause of your 2008 
MBP not booting up. If you're ever due this way, by all means bring it along 
and I'll fix it for you :-)

Cheers!

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Re: Nuts to Adobe

[Bruce Walker]

On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 7:42 AM Jostein Øksne  wrote:
>
> This saving in Affinity, Bruce...
> It reads to me like the problem has two components and I'm a little confused 
> about what's what.
> For starters, you configured Affinity as an external editor in LR, right?

Right.


> Then you invoked Affinity from LR, which makes LR create a TIFF that is 
> opened in Affinity. Hope I'm still on track.

Correct. Still on track. :-)


> Then, when you finished the edit in Affinity, I imagine you saved the TIFF as 
> is.

Yup. I save the Affinity-edited version.


> Here are the things I haven't quite figured out yet...
>
> Did the the saved edit of the TIFF then show in LR? If not, could the preview 
> be refreshed to show it?

Yes, it appears in the Lr Library as expected.


> And about the layers... Did Affinity preserve layers in the saved file?

No, it doesn't, and that's the essential problem.
Affinity cannot create a layered TIFF like Photoshop. It flattens the
TIFF so all your intermediate editing steps -- the layers -- are gone
forever.

As one reviewer pointed out you can save the edited file separately
from within Affinity as a proprietary Affinity file but Lightroom
can't manage that as an asset, so it can (and will likely) go astray.


> Jostein the slow learner...

That I doubt. :-)


>
> Den 4. november 2018 02.54.04 CET, skrev Bruce Walker 
> :
> >No, no. I was evaluating AP as a possible substitute for Photoshop. So
> >Edit-in-Affinity must be able to accept a TIFF file, edit that into a
> >layered TIFF, then write it back to Lightroom, just like Photoshop
> >does. Ie: the workflow expected by your regular Lightroom user.
> >
> >It can't do that. So ... /next/.
> >
> >On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 6:16 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> That’s great, but if you’re using AP as your external editor for LR,
> >why are you using Photoshop to generate files?
> >>
> >> G
> >>
> >>
> >> > On Nov 3, 2018, at 1:49 PM, Bruce Walker 
> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Godfrey, then it must have been a year ago then. They were pushing
> >the
> >> > impending release with a big social media and blogging sites
> >campaign
> >> > and urging folks to give the beta a test as it was to be released
> >> > shortly.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > You don't _make_ a layered file in Lightroom. You receive one back
> >> > into Lightroom from an external editor, like Photoshop.
> >> >
> >> > Example: starting in Lightroom with a DNG file in your library, you
> >> > invoke Edit-in Photoshop. That sends the file to Photoshop where it
> >> > appears as a single layer in a freshly opened file.
> >> >
> >> > You edit this. Create some adjustment layers. Now Save.
> >> >
> >> > That sends the edited copy of the file back to Lightroom as a
> >layered
> >> > TIFF where it appears in the catalog as a new file. I stack that
> >with
> >> > the original for less confusion.
> >> >
> >> > If you re-edit that edited TIFF you will find that the entire thing
> >is
> >> > there intact with all layers, meta info, etc.
> >> >
> >> > Clear?
> >> >
> >> >> On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 4:18 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi
> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Since Affinity Photo was still in beta release in mid-spring of
> >2017 and didn't go final until after August 2017 far as I can tell, I
> >doubt you were working with the "final beta" if it was a couple of
> >years ago.
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't really understand the workflow that your comments propose.
> >I'm not entirely sure how I make a "layered TIFF" or "layered PSD" file
> >in Lightroom to begin with. Lightroom's use of layers is internal. ??
> >> >>
> >> >> But for sure, if it's all of Photoshop that you want, just use
> >Photoshop.
> >> >>
> >> >> G
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> On Nov 3, 2018, at 12:42 PM, Bruce Walker
> > wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I'm certainly willing to update my opinion about Affinity's
> >> >>> capabilities, but I was unable to complete a review of it myself
> >when
> >> >>> I tested their final beta a couple of years ago.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The first issue I had was completely wacky colour shifts when I
> >> >>> imported a file from Lightroom. I assume they have fixed that by
> >now.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> But the utter deal-killer was that although you can configure it
> >as an
> >> >>> external editor to Lightroom and it will import a layered TIFF,
> >it
> >> >>> cannot write a layered TIFF (or a PSD) back to Lightroom. So if I
> >used
> >> >>> it as an external editor I lost all my carefully constructed
> >layers
> >> >>> when the file was flattened to save it back. That is 100% useless
> >to
> >> >>> me as my files often make a few round trips to the external
> >editor
> >> >>> while I make revisions, or in the case of long retouch, save
> >> >>> checkpoints or continue editing later on.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> This is till the case as far as I can tell from googling.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 11:31 AM Mark Roberts
> >> >>>  wrote:
> >> 
> >>  Bruce Walker wrote:
> >> 
> >> >> On 

Re: Peso

[ann sanfedele]

above the photo it says "click image to view in slide show"  I did 
that...then I saw it was a vertical photo. Never noticed the tiny 
circlewith the plus

until you pointed it out, Paul...


On 11/3/2018 11:03 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote:
Using Firefox 63.0.1 the image initially comes up huge, with the mouse 
cursor showing as a magnifying glass containing a plus sign. Clicking 
on the image returns the cursor and the image to "normal".


-p


On 11/3/2018 6:12 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

Ann, hope you don't have the idea I'm
entertaining myself with these recent
frustrating greatly oversized eagle
images.
I thought you certainly wouldn't be one to not imagine my frustration!!
Sent from my iPhone
J


On Nov 3, 2018, at 3:30 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

I need to use "ctrl -"  to 30% (not BY 30%) and it still bleeds off 
my monitor. But then there are a number of people who post here 
whose images need to be reduced with that method to see the whole 
image...  I blame the technology that has decided everyone has a 
smart phone and doesnt  look at anything on line any other way.


ann


On 11/3/2018 5:39 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

Gray Lodge Eagle (?)


Attempt at smaller image


May need to start over as I had to skip some time with this one.


https://www.photo.net/photo/18504987


J

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Re: MBP RIP

[Rick Womer]

Cotty, the area of corrosion is fairly large. One capacitor now, other 
components later…

Rick

> On Nov 3, 2018, at 9:59 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 2/11/18, Rick Womer, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> This morning, the MBP would not start. The computer shop said that there
>> was some old, slow corrosion on the motherboard, from some moisture
>> entering through the row of ports on the right side at some point.
> 
> Haha - yep - old slow corrosion :-)
> 
> Tell them to replace one capacitor as in this video and I bet you 10 bucks it 
> will start up fine
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Nuts to Adobe

[Jostein Øksne]

This saving in Affinity, Bruce...
It reads to me like the problem has two components and I'm a little confused 
about what's what.
For starters, you configured Affinity as an external editor in LR, right?
Then you invoked Affinity from LR, which makes LR create a TIFF that is opened 
in Affinity. Hope I'm still on track.
Then, when you finished the edit in Affinity, I imagine you saved the TIFF as 
is.

Here are the things I haven't quite figured out yet...

Did the the saved edit of the TIFF then show in LR? If not, could the preview 
be refreshed to show it?

And about the layers... Did Affinity preserve layers in the saved file?


Jostein the slow learner...




Den 4. november 2018 02.54.04 CET, skrev Bruce Walker :
>No, no. I was evaluating AP as a possible substitute for Photoshop. So
>Edit-in-Affinity must be able to accept a TIFF file, edit that into a
>layered TIFF, then write it back to Lightroom, just like Photoshop
>does. Ie: the workflow expected by your regular Lightroom user.
>
>It can't do that. So ... /next/.
>
>On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 6:16 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi
> wrote:
>>
>> That’s great, but if you’re using AP as your external editor for LR,
>why are you using Photoshop to generate files?
>>
>> G
>>
>>
>> > On Nov 3, 2018, at 1:49 PM, Bruce Walker 
>wrote:
>> >
>> > Godfrey, then it must have been a year ago then. They were pushing
>the
>> > impending release with a big social media and blogging sites
>campaign
>> > and urging folks to give the beta a test as it was to be released
>> > shortly.
>> >
>> >
>> > You don't _make_ a layered file in Lightroom. You receive one back
>> > into Lightroom from an external editor, like Photoshop.
>> >
>> > Example: starting in Lightroom with a DNG file in your library, you
>> > invoke Edit-in Photoshop. That sends the file to Photoshop where it
>> > appears as a single layer in a freshly opened file.
>> >
>> > You edit this. Create some adjustment layers. Now Save.
>> >
>> > That sends the edited copy of the file back to Lightroom as a
>layered
>> > TIFF where it appears in the catalog as a new file. I stack that
>with
>> > the original for less confusion.
>> >
>> > If you re-edit that edited TIFF you will find that the entire thing
>is
>> > there intact with all layers, meta info, etc.
>> >
>> > Clear?
>> >
>> >> On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 4:18 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi
> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Since Affinity Photo was still in beta release in mid-spring of
>2017 and didn't go final until after August 2017 far as I can tell, I
>doubt you were working with the "final beta" if it was a couple of
>years ago.
>> >>
>> >> I don't really understand the workflow that your comments propose.
>I'm not entirely sure how I make a "layered TIFF" or "layered PSD" file
>in Lightroom to begin with. Lightroom's use of layers is internal. ??
>> >>
>> >> But for sure, if it's all of Photoshop that you want, just use
>Photoshop.
>> >>
>> >> G
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On Nov 3, 2018, at 12:42 PM, Bruce Walker
> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm certainly willing to update my opinion about Affinity's
>> >>> capabilities, but I was unable to complete a review of it myself
>when
>> >>> I tested their final beta a couple of years ago.
>> >>>
>> >>> The first issue I had was completely wacky colour shifts when I
>> >>> imported a file from Lightroom. I assume they have fixed that by
>now.
>> >>>
>> >>> But the utter deal-killer was that although you can configure it
>as an
>> >>> external editor to Lightroom and it will import a layered TIFF,
>it
>> >>> cannot write a layered TIFF (or a PSD) back to Lightroom. So if I
>used
>> >>> it as an external editor I lost all my carefully constructed
>layers
>> >>> when the file was flattened to save it back. That is 100% useless
>to
>> >>> me as my files often make a few round trips to the external
>editor
>> >>> while I make revisions, or in the case of long retouch, save
>> >>> checkpoints or continue editing later on.
>> >>>
>> >>> This is till the case as far as I can tell from googling.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 11:31 AM Mark Roberts
>> >>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  Bruce Walker wrote:
>> 
>> >> On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 7:03 AM Jostein Øksne
> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Other developers are improving their products too, so
>essentially, if they can do now what CS6 can do, it's what I need it
>for.
>> >
>> > I can say with assurance that they do not. The majority of
>these
>> > products are going after the Lightroom market
>> 
>>  Affinity Photo is not going after Lightroom, it's definitely a
>>  Photoshop replacement. I have it and it's *very* good. Probably
>a step
>>  up from Photoshop CS6.
>> 
>>  --
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>>  www.robertstech.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Peso

[Jack Davis]

Pleasing to learn the size is
manageable!
I had forgotten I removed the image constraint for an earlier image and failed 
to reset it.
Am pleased it was easily corrected.

J


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 3, 2018, at 8:03 PM, Paul Sorenson  wrote:
> 
> Using Firefox 63.0.1 the image initially comes up huge, with the mouse cursor 
> showing as a magnifying glass containing a plus sign.  Clicking on the image 
> returns the cursor and the image to "normal".
> 
> -p
> 
> 
>> On 11/3/2018 6:12 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
>> Ann, hope you don't have the idea I'm
>> entertaining myself with these recent
>> frustrating greatly oversized eagle
>> images.
>> I thought you certainly wouldn't be one to not imagine my frustration!!
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> J
>> 
>>> On Nov 3, 2018, at 3:30 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I need to use "ctrl -"  to 30% (not BY 30%) and it still bleeds off my 
>>> monitor. But then there are a number of people who post here whose images 
>>> need to be reduced with that method to see the whole image...  I blame the 
>>> technology that has decided everyone has a smart phone and doesnt  look at 
>>> anything on line any other way.
>>> 
>>> ann
>>> 
 On 11/3/2018 5:39 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
 
 Gray Lodge Eagle (?)
 
 
 Attempt at smaller image
 
 
 May need to start over as I had to skip some time with this one.
 
 
 https://www.photo.net/photo/18504987
 
 
 J
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>>> 
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