Re: Semi-OT: Thunderbird update 78.5.1 is fucked up!

[Nolan Hinshaw]

On Dec 4, 2020, at 10:43, John  wrote:
> 
> Do you have a Yahoo email account using Thunderbird for pop.mail?

Well, Yeehaw! does IMAP as well; it's been ages since I used Tbird (just said 
*Hell No* to Window$ several decades ago), so idunno if Tbird will do IMPA.
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December PUG is up

[Brian W]

G'day all

Biggest gallery of the year - a great way to end 2020.  It's been a challenging
time for everyone so let's hope for a better 2021 with lots more photo
opportunities.
 
19 submissions this month with some great images - Paul's "To the Heavens" and
Ralf's "Shipspotting" are personal faves.  Amazingly, we only have a single
cormorant!!

View the December gallery here:

http://pug.komkon.org/

(you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous gallery there).

Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not
infallible. So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the gallery,
let me know.

+

Next up: 'Weather'.

Note that increased image sizes are now permitted - 500 kb max file size and
1350 x 950 pixels max image dimensions. Full Submissions Guidelines are here:

http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html

You can submit here:

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Cheers
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Re: PESO: Rediscovering the K-7

[Bill]

On Fri., Dec. 4, 2020, 4:52 p.m. Larry Colen,  wrote:

>
>
> > On Dec 4, 2020, at 2:13 PM, Bill  wrote:
> >
> > On Fri., Dec. 4, 2020, 12:31 p.m. Ralf R Radermacher, 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Am 04.12.20 um 19:16 schrieb Rick Womer:
> >>
> >>> When the K-5 came out, I waited a year for the bugs to get squashed,
> and
> >> then got one.
> >>
> >> Ah, the famous adhesive bubbles on the display problem. I had one from
> >> the very first batch and eventually git to K-5 number 4 or 5 before the
> >> trouble ended. Still, that was one fine camera only to be outdone by the
> >> K-3 that I'm still using.
> >>
> >
> > The K7 had the nicest flesh tone rendering of any digital camera I've
> used,
> > but it didn't like being used off of base ISO. It got really noisy really
> > quickly.
>
> My K20 was fine at low ISO and sucked when pushed at all. Unfortunately,
> most of my photography at the time was in low light, and My K-x certainly
> rocked in that department.
>
> > I was doing most of my shooting in the studio, so I was good with it.
> > I was an early adoptor of the K5 which was something of a mistake. My K5
> > pretty much sucked donkey balls. It was the worst camera I have ever
> used,
> > and is the reason I ended up buying a couple of Fuji bodies and half a
> > dozen lenses.
> > I wanted a camera that worked.
>
> Interesting, I’ve had great luck with K-5s.  It was the first digital
> camera I had that pretty much covered my critical needs, though the K-3 and
> K-1 cover a bunch more of my serious wants.
>

My K5 had irreparable inaccurate auto focus. It was good outdoors as long
as the subjects were neutral,  but tungsten light, actually any light other
than broad daylight, rendered the AF useless.
The first few runs of the K5 had a variety of issues,  all fairly major. My
understanding is most of them got fixed as the camera matured.

bill

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Re: PESO: Rediscovering the K-7

[Larry Colen]

> On Dec 4, 2020, at 2:13 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> On Fri., Dec. 4, 2020, 12:31 p.m. Ralf R Radermacher, 
> wrote:
> 
>> Am 04.12.20 um 19:16 schrieb Rick Womer:
>> 
>>> When the K-5 came out, I waited a year for the bugs to get squashed, and
>> then got one.
>> 
>> Ah, the famous adhesive bubbles on the display problem. I had one from
>> the very first batch and eventually git to K-5 number 4 or 5 before the
>> trouble ended. Still, that was one fine camera only to be outdone by the
>> K-3 that I'm still using.
>> 
> 
> The K7 had the nicest flesh tone rendering of any digital camera I've used,
> but it didn't like being used off of base ISO. It got really noisy really
> quickly.

My K20 was fine at low ISO and sucked when pushed at all. Unfortunately, most 
of my photography at the time was in low light, and My K-x certainly rocked in 
that department.

> I was doing most of my shooting in the studio, so I was good with it.
> I was an early adoptor of the K5 which was something of a mistake. My K5
> pretty much sucked donkey balls. It was the worst camera I have ever used,
> and is the reason I ended up buying a couple of Fuji bodies and half a
> dozen lenses.
> I wanted a camera that worked.

Interesting, I’ve had great luck with K-5s.  It was the first digital camera I 
had that pretty much covered my critical needs, though the K-3 and K-1 cover a 
bunch more of my serious wants.


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Re: PESO: Rediscovering the K-7

[Bill]

On Fri., Dec. 4, 2020, 12:31 p.m. Ralf R Radermacher, 
wrote:

> Am 04.12.20 um 19:16 schrieb Rick Womer:
>
> > When the K-5 came out, I waited a year for the bugs to get squashed, and
> then got one.
>
> Ah, the famous adhesive bubbles on the display problem. I had one from
> the very first batch and eventually git to K-5 number 4 or 5 before the
> trouble ended. Still, that was one fine camera only to be outdone by the
> K-3 that I'm still using.
>

The K7 had the nicest flesh tone rendering of any digital camera I've used,
but it didn't like being used off of base ISO. It got really noisy really
quickly.
I was doing most of my shooting in the studio, so I was good with it.
I was an early adoptor of the K5 which was something of a mistake. My K5
pretty much sucked donkey balls. It was the worst camera I have ever used,
and is the reason I ended up buying a couple of Fuji bodies and half a
dozen lenses.
I wanted a camera that worked.

bill

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Re: Semi-OT: Thunderbird update 78.5.1 is fucked up!

[P. J. Alling]

They were bought by AT which was bought by SBC who then changed their 
name to AT because all of their customers hated them, and now they're 
in grave financial condition...


I like to think Yahoo has something to do with it.

On 12/4/2020 1:57 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

John wrote:


Changed the fonts, changed the icons and it keeps trying to force me to log in
to Yahoo.

Once every few years I am reminded, to my complete and utter
astonishment, that Yahoo is actually still in business.
  


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Re: PESO: The Last Farewell

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Great light and composition!

Dan Matyola
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> Ferry Seafrance Cézanne leaving Dunkirk for the scrapyards of Alang,
> India, on November 7, 2011.
>
> https://www.fotocommunity.de/photo/the-last-farewell-fotoralfbe/44609167
>
> Enjoy
> Ralf
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PESO: The Last Farewell

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Ferry Seafrance Cézanne leaving Dunkirk for the scrapyards of Alang,
India, on November 7, 2011.

https://www.fotocommunity.de/photo/the-last-farewell-fotoralfbe/44609167

Enjoy
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Re: Semi-OT: Thunderbird update 78.5.1 is fucked up!

[Mark Roberts]

John wrote:

>Changed the fonts, changed the icons and it keeps trying to force me to log in 
>to Yahoo.

Once every few years I am reminded, to my complete and utter
astonishment, that Yahoo is actually still in business.
 
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Re: Semi-OT: Thunderbird update 78.5.1 is fucked up!

[John]

Do you have a Yahoo email account using Thunderbird for pop.mail?

On 12/4/2020 08:34:30, Dale H. Cook wrote:


On 12/3/2020 11:48 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote:



 > Hhmmm.  I've just updated to 78.5.1 and have not experienced any of

 > those problems.



Same here.



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Re: Semi-OT: Thunderbird update 78.5.1 is fucked up!

[John]

On 12/3/2020 22:17:24, ann sanfedele wrote:

I knew there was I reason I keep declining the update...

but don't you tell it what fonts and background colors to use?

ann

On 12/3/2020 9:36 PM, John wrote:
Changed the fonts, changed the icons and it keeps trying to force me to log in 
to Yahoo.







Looking online I found that you can selectively color individual icons. I don't 
want to selectively color individual icons. That's BULLSHIT!


The Yahoo problem is bigger. Every time Thunderbird checks for new emails (about 
once every 10 minutes for as long as I keep Thunderbird open) it pops up a 
browser window with a login prompt that has *NO CONTROLS*.


The browser window is on top of every other window I might have open at that 
point.

If I attempt to log in by selecting my Yahoo ID it comes back with a message 
telling me to "enable cookies in my browser and try again".


I have cookies enabled in my browsers, and I have all of the scripts I need to 
use Yahoo as webmail enabled in NoScript.


And Yahoo are complete shit at technical support, even if you can dig down far 
enough to find a way to contact them.




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Re: PESO: Rediscovering the K-7

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 04.12.20 um 19:16 schrieb Rick Womer:


When the K-5 came out, I waited a year for the bugs to get squashed, and then 
got one.


Ah, the famous adhesive bubbles on the display problem. I had one from
the very first batch and eventually git to K-5 number 4 or 5 before the
trouble ended. Still, that was one fine camera only to be outdone by the
K-3 that I'm still using.

Ralf

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Re: PESO: Rediscovering the K-7

[Rick Womer]

I moved from a K10D to a K-7, and was very happy (for a time) with the 
sensitivity of the sensor. I also liked the appearance of the photos.

When the K-5 came out, I waited a year for the bugs to get squashed, and then 
got one. I’m still using it happily.

My son and daughter-in-law just retired my old K10D, but only because my son 
needed something he could do video with for his work. He got a Sony; not sure 
what model.

Rick

> On Dec 4, 2020, at 10:14 AM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> I used my K20D longer I think.  While I didn't find the noise particularly 
> objectionable at what for the K20D middle ISOs, just a tad over that, or if 
> the image was just a bit under exposed, the noise looked a lot less grain 
> like and much more like a regular pattern, almost banding, that was annoying, 
> but when everything was done right the images it produced were very nice 
> indeed.
> 
> Sadly I still have the K20D, it's seen hard useage, and I've gotten a quote 
> of $6.00, if I wanted to sell it and probably couldn't give it away.  The sad 
> part is the two batteries and the two focusing screens I have for it, one 
> original and one Katzeye split image/microprism are worth more.  I wish the 
> Katzeye fit the K-3 or K-5II.
> 
> On 12/3/2020 2:57 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>> That's lovely light, Ralf. A fine shot.
>> 
>> The K-7 was the immediate successor to the K20D, with a very similar
>> (but updated) CMOS sensor. I was very fond of my K20D and shot with it
>> for a good seven years. I really loved the rather filmic look to the
>> images -- I don't have the same issue with grain/noise that gets other
>> photographers into a tizzy.
>> 
>> I sold it cheap last year to a young budding photography student and
>> it's still being lovingly used.
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 1:54 PM Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
>>> The K-7 and I never really took to each other and I got myself one of
>>> the first K-5 ever sold in town. I hated the K-7's Samsung sensor, the
>>> limited dynamic range and the noise in everything shot at more than ISO 100.
>>> 
>>> Yet, when I look at some of the photos I've taken with it, they have a
>>> special quality about them. A certain crispness, the restrained colours...
>>> 
>>> Maybe the fact that I was less lazy, in those days, and made much more
>>> use of primes, tripods, and low ISOs also has something to do with it.
>>> 
>>> Just came across this one and thought some of you might like it:
>>> 
>>> https://www.fotocommunity.com/photo/entre-chien-et-loup-fotoralfbe/44605722
>>> 
>>> Enjoy
>>> 
>>> Ralf
>>> 
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>>> Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf
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Re: Semi-OT: Thunderbird update 78.5.1 is fucked up!

[P. J. Alling]

I'm not having it try to get me to log into Yahoo, it did change the 
default colors and font, and reinstalled the broken reply button, (I had 
to install an plugin to get rid of it, since they helpfully removed that 
option), but eh, it's a free tool so I'm not going to complain too 
much.  I'm sure there's a setting or plugin to give control over the 
Yahoo nonsense, but I can't tell you what it is, since I don't have that 
particular problem.


I do wish that their programming team would actually read the email 
standard and adhere to it instead of making things work the way /they/ 
think it should work.


On 12/3/2020 9:36 PM, John wrote:
Changed the fonts, changed the icons and it keeps trying to force me 
to log in to Yahoo.




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Re: PESO Birding with 1.4x converter

[P. J. Alling]

Yes but they'll let you carry it in your checked luggage.

I remember flying with my Vivitar flat field 90-180, a dense chunk of 
brass and glass that was about a foot and a half long, which would give 
quite a bit of mechanical advantage if swung as a club.


Much more dangerous than any pocket knife but the TSA took off the lens 
caps looked through it and just let me fly with it.


It's all theater and safety doesn't actually measure into it, and if it 
did flying would be so onerous that everyone would rebel.


On 12/3/2020 11:27 PM, Alan C wrote:
I'm surprised. That last time I came over there I accidentally left my 
Swiss Army Knife in my hand luggage & was forced to surrender it at OR 
Tambo Airport. "Sir, it's for your own safety". Eating irons were 
replaced by eating plastics.


Alan C

On 03-Dec-20 10:26 PM, mike wilson wrote:
If it has less than a 3.5inch blade, it's no problem.  I carry a 
knife most of the time.



On 03 December 2020 at 20:16 John  wrote:


Yeah. If I ever get the chance to visit again I plan to leave the 
pocket knife

the Army gave me at home.

http://www.badguystuff.com/images/benchmade9053_600x500.jpg

On 12/3/2020 10:23:51, mike wilson wrote:

Not legal here, unfortunately.


On 03 December 2020 at 12:13 Alan C  wrote:


Surprised you didn't mention the "cane gun" adaptation widely used by
spies & thugs.

Alan C

On 03-Dec-20 09:37 AM, mike wilson wrote:
I prefer a two-piece for self-defence.  Collapsed, you have 
effectively a weighted walking stick, à la Sherlock Holmes.  One 
adjustment and you have a quarterstaff, of little John fame.  I 
recommend the Benbo Traveller.


On 03 December 2020 at 01:41 "P. J. Alling" 
 wrote:



That looks enough like the one I use, that I can opine that it also
makes a decent club, for self defense.

On 11/25/2020 1:31 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Nov 25, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Bob Pdml  wrote:

Use a bean bag…
I use a monopod with a ball head and hang it from my belt using 
a maglight holster


https://photos.app.goo.gl/Bfko83dh4sFfu5Lg7

It doubles as a nice walking stick.




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Re: PESO: Rediscovering the K-7

[P. J. Alling]

I used my K20D longer I think.  While I didn't find the noise 
particularly objectionable at what for the K20D middle ISOs, just a tad 
over that, or if the image was just a bit under exposed, the noise 
looked a lot less grain like and much more like a regular pattern, 
almost banding, that was annoying, but when everything was done right 
the images it produced were very nice indeed.


Sadly I still have the K20D, it's seen hard useage, and I've gotten a 
quote of $6.00, if I wanted to sell it and probably couldn't give it 
away.  The sad part is the two batteries and the two focusing screens I 
have for it, one original and one Katzeye split image/microprism are 
worth more.  I wish the Katzeye fit the K-3 or K-5II.


On 12/3/2020 2:57 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

That's lovely light, Ralf. A fine shot.

The K-7 was the immediate successor to the K20D, with a very similar
(but updated) CMOS sensor. I was very fond of my K20D and shot with it
for a good seven years. I really loved the rather filmic look to the
images -- I don't have the same issue with grain/noise that gets other
photographers into a tizzy.

I sold it cheap last year to a young budding photography student and
it's still being lovingly used.


On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 1:54 PM Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:

The K-7 and I never really took to each other and I got myself one of
the first K-5 ever sold in town. I hated the K-7's Samsung sensor, the
limited dynamic range and the noise in everything shot at more than ISO 100.

Yet, when I look at some of the photos I've taken with it, they have a
special quality about them. A certain crispness, the restrained colours...

Maybe the fact that I was less lazy, in those days, and made much more
use of primes, tripods, and low ISOs also has something to do with it.

Just came across this one and thought some of you might like it:

https://www.fotocommunity.com/photo/entre-chien-et-loup-fotoralfbe/44605722

Enjoy

Ralf

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Re: Semi-OT: Thunderbird update 78.5.1 is fucked up!

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On 12/3/2020 11:48 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote:



> Hhmmm.  I've just updated to 78.5.1 and have not experienced any of

> those problems.



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Re: PESO Birding with 1.4x converter

[mike wilson]

That's a flying regulation; if it had been a pair of scissors, the outcome 
would have been the same.
> On 04 December 2020 at 04:27 Alan C  wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm surprised. That last time I came over there I accidentally left my 
> Swiss Army Knife in my hand luggage & was forced to surrender it at OR 
> Tambo Airport. "Sir, it's for your own safety". Eating irons were 
> replaced by eating plastics.
> 
> Alan C
> 
> On 03-Dec-20 10:26 PM, mike wilson wrote:
> > If it has less than a 3.5inch blade, it's no problem.  I carry a knife most 
> > of the time.
> >
> >> On 03 December 2020 at 20:16 John  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Yeah. If I ever get the chance to visit again I plan to leave the pocket 
> >> knife
> >> the Army gave me at home.
> >>
> >> http://www.badguystuff.com/images/benchmade9053_600x500.jpg
> >>
> >> On 12/3/2020 10:23:51, mike wilson wrote:
> >>> Not legal here, unfortunately.
> >>>
>  On 03 December 2020 at 12:13 Alan C  wrote:
> 
> 
>  Surprised you didn't mention the "cane gun" adaptation widely used by
>  spies & thugs.
> 
>  Alan C
> 
>  On 03-Dec-20 09:37 AM, mike wilson wrote:
> > I prefer a two-piece for self-defence.  Collapsed, you have effectively 
> > a weighted walking stick, à la Sherlock Holmes.  One adjustment and you 
> > have a quarterstaff, of little John fame.  I recommend the Benbo 
> > Traveller.
> >
> >> On 03 December 2020 at 01:41 "P. J. Alling" 
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> That looks enough like the one I use, that I can opine that it also
> >> makes a decent club, for self defense.
> >>
> >> On 11/25/2020 1:31 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>  On Nov 25, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Bob Pdml  wrote:
> 
>  Use a bean bag…
> >>> I use a monopod with a ball head and hang it from my belt using a 
> >>> maglight holster
> >>>
> >>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/Bfko83dh4sFfu5Lg7
> >>>
> >>> It doubles as a nice walking stick.
>

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