Re: Disappointed - Pentax technicians couldn't answer extension tube question.

2003-08-04 Thread Alek Kozak
But the fact is it all depends on people not a company. Nevertheless such
persons should not work for any big company.
Instead of giving you correct information she/he was rude. What a guy! If
she/he did not know the answer he/she should call Pentax service or
somewhere.
Pity.
But when you set any lens on non-A position you should expect some
overexposure with you PZ1p!
Cheers
Alek
- Original Message -
From: "Kathleen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: Disappointed - Pentax technicians couldn't answer extension
tube question.


> Not only did the tech not know about extension tubes, but he was arrogant,
> as well.  I've never had to call them about anything before, but when you
> get that kind of treatment for just asking a simple question (including
not
> getting an answer), I'm sorry I invested in their equipment at all.  In
> addition, I phoned them on Friday at about 10:00 a.m. their time.  He told
> me that they were closing for the day in 2 hours (nice hours for customer
> service), and maybe they would call me back on Monday if someone knew the
> answer to my question.
>
> Kathy L.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Alek Kozak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 2:51 AM
> Subject: Re: Disappointed - Pentax technicians couldn't answer extension
> tube question.
>
>
> > It is very strange, indeed. Another field where Pentax does not care
about
> > clients.
> > And the stuff...Uhhh
> > Cheers
> > Alek
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Mark Cassino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 8:10 PM
> > Subject: Re: Disappointed - Pentax technicians couldn't answer extension
> > tube question.
> >
> >
> > > The Pentax tubes lack the electrical contacts needed for the body and
> lens
> > > to communicate.  In this case, the term "auto" in the tubes' name
means
> > > that they support open aperture metering, but that's all. They don't
> > > support program modes when the lens is set to "A" and the camera will
> > > default to center weighted and spot metering only, no matrix mode.
But,
> > > when the aperture is manually set the metering should be accurate.
> > >
> > > I have a pair of Vivitar extension tubes that do have both the
aperture
> > > coupling and the contacts, and I'd suspect other third party brands
are
> > out
> > > there that also support the full functionality.
> > >
> > > I'm surprised that no one at Pentax understood how their tubes work,
and
> > > I've long wondered why Pentax has not updated their brand of extension
> > tubes.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps -
> > >
> > > MCC
> > >
> > > At 12:28 PM 8/1/2003 -0400, Kathleen wrote:
> > > >I'm really disappointed that the Pentax people couldn't answer a
simple
> =
> > > >question about their own (Pentax) extension tubes with their own
camera
> =
> > > >(PZ-1p).
> > > >
> > > >I just got Extension Tube Set B (Auto) made by Pentax from KEH.  They
> > > >are in great shape, except when I try to use them, the only
information
> > > >that shows in the viewfinder is the shutter speed.  Where the F-stop
> > > >should appear, there is just a blank.  This happens whether I am in
> > > >automatic or manual mode.  Also, the autofocus won't work (which I
> > > >really don't care about because I focus manually most of the time
> > > >anyway).
>
>
>



Re: Congrats to Cotty!!!

2003-07-31 Thread Alek Kozak
Congratulation Cotty!
I shall have second anniversary of my wedding next Tuesday and I must say
that it is very, very nice day.
Maybe I buy my great wife any lens
Cheers
Alek
- Original Message -
From: "Jostein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 11:19 PM
Subject: Congrats to Cotty!!!


> Gang,
> Cotty got himself married today.
>
> The first official image can be found at:
> http://www.oksne.net
> Click the Scotland link, and you're there.
> The image is taken with a Optio S.
>
> There will be more official pics later, but they have to be processed
> first; taken with a 645NII on portra 400VC.
>
> Cheers,
> Jostein
> (the proud photographer)
>
> --
> Photos at: http://www.oksne.net
>
> AutoPug author.
> Submit your images at:
> http://www.oksne.net/autoPug/PugForm.asp
> 
>
>
>



Re: flash for Super Program

2003-07-31 Thread Alek Kozak
Also Metz with SCA 372 would be very good choice, IMHO
Alek
- Original Message - 
From: "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 5:09 AM
Subject: Re: flash for Super Program


> > I just got my new Super Program in the mail. It appears to
> > function perfectly, and that SMC 50mm/1.7 is a sweet little lens.
> > I've been studying the manual and it looks like there are some
> > special flash modes, but I don't think my Vivitar Thyristor flash
> > will work with them. Do I need some sort of special Pentax flash
> > to take advantage of these features?
> 
> Congratulations on your new toy, Amita.  ;-)
> 
> To enjoy all of the flash features that the Super Program/A can use,
> you need one of the Pentax analog TTL flash units, such as the
> AF200T, AF280T, AF400T, AF080C, or AF140C (or, one of the compatible
> similar third-party flash units).  I'd suggest the AF280T as a good
> all-around TTL flash unit for the purpose...
> 
> Fred
> 
> 
> 



Re: News from DPReview

2003-07-31 Thread Alek Kozak
Thank you!
Alek
- Original Message -
From: "Bruce Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: News from DPReview


> My largest so far is 24X30 on Portra 800.  Looked very nice.  I find
> that from 4X5 on up, the 67 negs produce noticeably better images.  I
> have tons of 8X10's printed and there is a marked difference between
> that and my 35mm even when shooting with FA* glass.
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> Wednesday, July 30, 2003, 5:27:17 AM, you wrote:
>
>
> WR> - Original Message -
> WR> From: "Alek Kozak"
> WR> Subject: Re: News from DPReview
>
>
> >> Hi,
> >> What enlargements have you done using your 67 Pentax?
>
> WR> I have gone as large as 40x60 inches for a store display. Didn't look
the
> WR> greatest close up, about as good as an 11x14 from a 35mm neg, but from
where
> WR> it was hung, it looked fantastic.
>
> WR> William Robb
>
>
>



Re: Question on SMC-FA 35mm f/2 lens and hood ...

2003-07-31 Thread Alek Kozak
Hi Joe,
When you test the lens please drop me a line about its performance.
Cheers
Alek
- Original Message - 
From: "Joe Wilensky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 3:05 PM
Subject: Question on SMC-FA 35mm f/2 lens and hood ...


> I just received an SMC-FA 35mm f/2 from B&H, new in the box. It's a 
> beautiful lens, and the manual focus feel and the width of the 
> focusing ring is a bit better than my FA 50/1.4 and 28/2.8, as others 
> have commented. My question is about mounting the tulip hood -- 
> unless I'm missing something completely, it seems the hood mounting 
> bayonet grooves on my lens aren't lined up correctly.
> 
> The white line on my lens that is used for lining up with the white 
> line on the hood for mounting purposes (line them up, then rotate the 
> hood until it clicks into place) is located at between 2 and 3 
> o'clock on the lens barrel with the front of the lens facing me. But 
> this causes the hood to mount quite a bit rotated from its proper 
> orientation, which is supposed to have the "Pentax" at the top and 
> the little door for rotating a polarizer at the bottom. It seems 
> roughly 45 degrees off from where it should be, if not a bit more. 
> This makes the whole point of a dedicated tulip hood useless, since 
> vignetting would likely occur.
> 
> This seems to be the only physical way the hood will mount on this 
> lens, and the bayonet mount for the filter on the end of the lens is 
> not rotateable.
> 
> Is this a manufacturing defect? Could the lens actually have been 
> assembled with this error? Everything else lines up (the lens mount 
> itself, the f/stop and focusing scale, etc.). Or am I missing 
> something?
> 
> Joe
> 
> 



Re: News from DPReview

2003-07-30 Thread Alek Kozak
I see. Thank you.
So probably even at 15x21cmm or 18x24cm benefits of 67 easilly outperform
35mm. Sometimes I wonder if 645 is worth buying but a lot of people rather
advise to 6x6 or 67 system.
Alek
- Original Message -
From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: News from DPReview


>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Alek Kozak"
> Subject: Re: News from DPReview
>
>
> > Hi,
> > What enlargements have you done using your 67 Pentax?
>
> I have gone as large as 40x60 inches for a store display. Didn't look the
> greatest close up, about as good as an 11x14 from a 35mm neg, but from
where
> it was hung, it looked fantastic.
>
> William Robb
>
>



Re: News from DPReview

2003-07-29 Thread Alek Kozak
One month is long time to see if D*ist is introduced. As it was mentioned
Canon can introduce new dslr which will cost no more than 1000$ and again
Pentax is off the boat. I believe that when Pentax introduce D*ist C/N can
lower the price of their D10 and D10 since so far they have made a profit
selling them. And one D*ist is still too less. Some people want higher model
and again C/N have 3 more cameras. The question is whether Pentax is able to
release 4000$ model which will be bought by at least semi-pros. If not that
be another calapse. Because few semi-pros/pros use Pentax system who can
afford to buy such cameras and here is the biggest problem. If Canon
introduce very expensive camera there are always people who buy it, for
instance sport magazines, government agencies etc. Just look when there are
any official meetings etc.
So I wonder how Pentax is going to survive, even without IS/USM, real pro
camera and only with FGZ360.
Alek
- Original Message -
From: "Alan Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: News from DPReview


> >What bothers me most is that Super CCD has probably 4th generation coming
> >up. Nikon developed their own version of CMOS for fast shooting and Sony
> >announced 8MP sensor if I am not mistaken. Pentax's camera is already old
> >even before it came out.
>
> Their rather slow progress sure makes us uncomfortable.  :-(
>
> >I still need to choose which scanner to buy .
>
> I have been using the 1st generation Minolta Scan Elite for a year, if
that
> helps you to decide.  :-)
>
> regards,
> Alan Chan
>
> _
> Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE*
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Re: Newbie Questions

2003-07-28 Thread Alek Kozak
Hi,
How would you rate Tokina ATX 28-70 2.6-2.8 in terms of optical
performance?Do you have any comparison with any other fast zoom?even from
other manufacturer. And how does it performe vs Pentax primes?
Cheers
Alek
- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: Newbie Questions


> I really don't agree that you should buy only Pentax lenses. Yes, You
can't
> go WRONG with most of the Pentax lenses out there but some of my favourite
> lenses are not Pentax Lenses at all. And, I would add, that in many cases
they are
> as good or better than the equivalent Pentax offering.
> Once again, I maintain that it is not the lenses that make the difference
but
> the photographer and his or her technique. I'm not sugggesting you go out
and
> buy the cheapest lenses you can find, but don't limit yourself to Pentax
> lenses. If you see a good used lens that is not a Pentax brand, ask the
PDML about
> it. But remember, most of us are extremely biased toward Pentax lenses.
> Non Pentax Lenses I own that I am very happy with are
> Tokina ATX 100-300 F4
> Tokina ATX 90 F2.5 macro
> Tokina ATX 28-70 2.6-2.8
> Kiron 105 2.5 macro
> Kiron 28-105
> There are a few others
>
> Vic
>
>
>
> In a message dated 7/27/03 10:02:15 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> >Hi!
> >
> >>From: "Lon Williamson"
> >>Subject: Re: Newbie Questions
> >>
> >>
> >>> I hate to say it, but buy Pentax lenses.
> >>
> >>I don't mind saying it at all.
> >>
> >>BUY PENTAX LENSES.
> >>
> >>William Robb
> >
> >No matter how (un)fortunate it sounds, I totally second Lon's and
> >Bill's opinion. One of the things that were caused in my life by PDML
> >was to decide rather decidedly  to buy only Pentax glass.
> >
> >That's why I decided to sell my Sigma 28-135 zoom and my Soligor
> >70-222 zoom and buy (eventually) Pentax 28-105 and Pentax 70-210 zooms
> >
> >instead.
> >
> >Any enablers? Disablers? 
> >
> >Boris
> >
>
>



Re: Tough times in Rochester

2003-07-25 Thread Alek Kozak
So you think and have seen that for intance images about 50x70cm made using
Canon 1Ds are sharper that those made of slides or enlargers?My friend use
also his Nikkor na Pentax 67 through some adapter what allows him to make
really big ones.
And based on your experience one can have more than 1x1m pictures obtained
with 1Ds with very good sharpness? What about for instance Canon 10D, Nikon
D100 etc. Is 20x30cm better than from negative or scanned on drum or at
least Nikon Coolscan 8000 scanner in terms of sharpness etc?
What max enlargements have you done from 6M pixels cameras of very good
quality?
Sorry for many questions but if it is your everyday work you have better
experience.
Thanks in advance
Alek
- Original Message -
From: "Herb Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: Tough times in Rochester


> i have seen exhibition prints from a Canon 1-Ds quite a bit larger than
50x70cm, almost double the dimensions. no pixellation visible or any of the
ordinary digital artifacts from using JPEG files or anything like that.
that's easily handled by shooting in raw mode and rezing up in Photoshop.
some color noise was visible but less than using typical print film. even
that could have been reduced a lot by a color noise filter in Photoshop. a
4000 dpi scan is only 24 megapixels and most of what i see at 400dpi from
scanning Provia and Velvia is film grain.
>
> apparent sharpness, just from looking and not measuring, is higher on all
of the digital cameras i have worked with, than their resolution implies,
while staring at 4000dpi scans of Provia 100F all the time has me convinced
that apparent sharpness of film is less than the measured sharpness. at
least on 11x14 prints, 10 megapixels looks sharper than a 4000 dpi scan on
Provia 100F. i don't shoot a lot of Velvia and haven't done any macro shots
where i can compare 10 megapixel digital camera images. where i have
compared is on landscapes. leaves in the middle distance appear more sharply
defined in the digital versions than the film versions.
>
> incidentally, Dave asked how long it would take to pay for a $1500 DSLR.
it costs me about $15 each to buy and process a roll of Provia 100F. 100
rolls of film lasts me 6-8 months. i print about 1% of my images. i scan 25%
or so of my slides and net about 15-20% into my stock pile. this ignores my
digital camera shots which add up to about 40% of my film total. the digital
shots are about 1/4 recording shots not duplicated on film, 1/4 panoramas
meant to be digitally stitched, and the remainder backup shots of what i
shoot on film. if i went completely digital for my editorial stock, which i
could do with the *ist-D, i could easily pay for the camera, spare
batteries, and a couple of memory cards in less than a year in saved
processing. i shoot less than 1/3 what is typical for a full time editorial
stock photographer. a busy one would be able to save the cost of a Canon
1-Ds in well under a year.
>
> Herb...
> - Original Message -
> From: "Alek Kozak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 04:35
> Subject: Re: Tough times in Rochester
>
>
> > But I have seen photos taking with Nikkor 105/2.8 micro lens about
50x70cm
> > made using enlarger and wonder if you could receive such format of the
same
> > quality based on your even Canon 1Ds. In Cracow there is an exebition of
> > photos of French who used Canon 1n with L lenses and shot Velvia and
then
> > made photos in size higher than 2x2 meters and of course there is some
> > unsharpness but when you come close.
> > Cheers
> > Alek
>
>
>
>



Re: MZ-S, 43Ltd, Super A

2003-07-25 Thread Alek Kozak
Yes, I have seen them. Looks well. Hope it was not used a lot by previous
user.
I bought mine for less then 150 euro with A50/1.7 and case so your price
seems to be too high. If you happened not to sell it quickly for the price
please let me know and maybe you offer lower one.
So you sell MZS? We all hope that D*ist appers soon...If not future of
Pentax seems to be rather poor :(
Cheers
Alek
- Original Message -
From: "Heiko Hamann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: MZ-S, 43Ltd, Super A


> Hi Alek,
>
> on 25 Jul 03 you wrote in pentax.list:
>
> >So the condition of Super A is fine?Clean inside?
>
> Yes, it is in perfect shape and works well. I bought it used and only
> shot 2 rolls with it but the pictures were fine ande the metering is on
> the same good level as my MZ-5n (at least on prints - I don't make
> slides ;-)).
>
> >If I would like to buy it I must ask my
> >cousin or friend (in Germany) to buy it from you. Do you recommend it?
>
> No problem. I could also ship to Poland but that might be more
> expensive. Especially the money transfer. And yes, I recommend it.
> Beside the LX and maybe the ME Super it is the best manual Pentax body,
> I think. The program automatic is really great - I can even use me brand
> new AF-lenses on this body.
>
> >Do you have winder?
>
> No I don't. Do you have seen the pictures on www.mycroft.de/sale.html?
>
> Cheers, Heiko
>
>



Re: Tough times in Rochester

2003-07-25 Thread Alek Kozak
But I have seen photos taking with Nikkor 105/2.8 micro lens about 50x70cm
made using enlarger and wonder if you could receive such format of the same
quality based on your even Canon 1Ds. In Cracow there is an exebition of
photos of French who used Canon 1n with L lenses and shot Velvia and then
made photos in size higher than 2x2 meters and of course there is some
unsharpness but when you come close.
Cheers
Alek
- Original Message -
From: "Herb Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 10:39 PM
Subject: Re: Tough times in Rochester


> at 10 times as long to get a comparable quality image from film, even
after i receive the slides back from processing, it costs me a lot of time
(equals money) to scan my slides. prints of digital images from a digital
camera up to 11x14 size are higher quality, more consistent, and require far
less time on my part. based on my experience, 10-12 megapixels consistently
outperforms 35mm Provia 100F in sharpness and resolution using top quality
lenses up to at least 11x14 size and probably up to 16x20 size.
>
> i work every day with 4000 dpi scans of my slides and 5-10 megapixel
images from a supposedly much cheaper set of optics. i see the price i pay
for using film every day in the quality of images and film's unwanted
artifacts. in less than 5 years, semi-pro digital SLRs will comfortably
exceed the resolution, color accuracy, and dynamic range of slide film at
identical sensor sizes. so far as those who own a Canon 1Ds are concerned,
it has already happened. it takes some years of experience to set up an
efficient digital workflow to manage a couple of hundred new images a week.
i'm ready now. those who aren't and have to switch because they have no
choice will have to make up that time and won't be able to meet my standards
of quality and timeliness no matter how good their film workflow was.
>
> Herb
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 16:12
> Subject: Re: Tough times in Rochester
>
>
> > Yet they will still (Stock Photo Companies that is.. Stock Photographers
> > can use whatever they want to use) accept scans from film.  As such,
wait
> > until the Stock Photography Companies say "You MUST use a digital SLR
> > camera", and in the meantime all the bugs will be worked out and the
price
> > will drop.
> >
> > Dave
>
>
>
>



Re: MZ-S, 43Ltd, Super A

2003-07-25 Thread Alek Kozak
Hi Heiko,
So the condition of Super A is fine?Clean inside?I use mine for slides and
the metering is very nice.
If I would like to buy it I must ask my cousin or friend (in Germany) to buy
it from you.
Do you recommend it?
Do you have winder?
Alek
- Original Message -
From: "Heiko Hamann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 9:29 AM
Subject: FS: MZ-S, 43Ltd, Super A


> Hi folks,
>
>
> I was looking for a 77ltd for some time and some weeks ago I found a kit
> consisting of a MZ-S, the 43ltd and the 77ltd. Very fine stuff - so I
> bought it ;-)
>
> In the last three weeks I have tested the MZ-S and found it a great
> camera. But I also like my MZ-5n... Actually I'm quite sure that my
> photographic future will be digital - the *istD will be my primary
> camera. And the MZ-5n will be more than sufficient for my analog
> activities. It simply makes no sense for me to "store" such a fine (and
> expensive) camera as the MZ-S. It has to be used - and I hope it will be
> used by a fellow PDML member. I will also sell the 43ltd as I want to
> concentrate on those things I really use (and I prefer the FA35/2 here)
> and I have to raise funds for the *istD ;-)
>
>
> So here is my offer:
>
> MZ-S like new in box. Used for maybe 30 rolls. Comes with original
> strap, all caps, box, German manual, new batteries AND the cross hair
> matte screen GG-60 (standard screen is included, also). English
> documentation can be downloaded from www.pentaxusa.com.
>
> I'm asking for 675,- Euro plus shipping
>
>
> SMC-FA 43/1.9 Limited like new in box. Comes with the original leather
> bag and all caps. There are no signs of use, the glass is perfect. There
> are only some minor marks on the front cap.
>
> 390,- Euro plus shipping
>
>
> Together: 1050,- Euro
>
>
> I've also still left a very nice Super A. I have bought it used, but it
> looks like new and works fine. There is only some minor brassing on the
> back. The rest of the camera has no marks of usage (see pictures on
> www.mycroft.de/sale.html). There even is the protection film on the
> underside. Comes with cap, Pentax strap, German documentation and new
> batteries. English documentation can be downloaded from
> www.pentaxusa.com.
>
> 150,- Euro
>
>
> I accept transfers to my bank account or Paypal and I will ship
> worldwide (please ask me for further information). I will be on an
> excursion this weekend, so maybe I will take some time to answer your
> questions. I can provide pictures of the things on Monday, if asked for.
>
> Cheers, Heiko
>
>



Re: DC PDML #9

2003-07-24 Thread Alek Kozak
Hi,
What is the condition of you MZS and price?
Cheers
Alec
- Original Message -
From: "Lindamood, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "pdml" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Cesar
Matamoros" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Christian Skofteland"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "[EMAIL PROTECTED] Net"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Ed Mathews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Geoff
Moes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "[EMAIL PROTECTED] com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Jason
Vick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Mark Lindamood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Paul
Stregevsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Stephen Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
"Steve Desjardins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 2:59 PM
Subject: RE: DC PDML #9


> I am selling out, guys.  My shift lens, 28-80 P zoom, 20mm FA, and My MZ-S
the first things to go.  If anyone is interested, lemme know.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 7:14 PM
> To: pdml; Cesar Matamoros; Christian Skofteland; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Net; Ed
> Mathews; Geoff Moes; [EMAIL PROTECTED] com; Jason Vick; Mark Lindamood; Paul
> Stregevsky; Stephen Moore; Steve Desjardins
> Subject: DC PDML #9
>
>
> When: Monday July 28th, 7:30 p.m.
> Where: Hard Times College Park
> http://www.hardtimes.com/collegepark.htm
> Who: So far it's me, Christian and Cesar.
>
> tv
>
>
>
>
>