A suggestion for all these freaking email tests...

[Darren Addy]

I realize that all these email tests make the PDML look more active
than it really is, but if you'd like to make the list a little more
interesting you could email actual content or discussion (maybe a
PESO) instead of a "TEST" email. And THEN, to see if it was received
by the list, you could simply check the PDML archive:

http://pdml.net/pipermail/pdml_pdml.net/

Click the "Date" link in the line for the current month and you'll see
if your message hit the list. This archive appears to update almost
immediately. No need to wait for anyone to reply to you for you to
know your "test" worked (or didn't).

As a bonus, you'll look a little less like a technical troglodyte to
the community! thxkbye

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Re: A suggestion

[David J Brooks]

On Dec 18, 2007 3:41 AM, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Date: 2007/12/17 Mon AM 07:59:54 GMT
> > To: pdml@pdml.net
> > Subject: Re: A suggestion
> >
> > In a message dated 12/16/2007 6:07:42 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > If you (yes, you)  don't send a picture, it won't.
> >
> > 
> > Too much responsibility.  ;-)
> >
> > Since I take mainly landscape shots, unlikely. But, okay, I'll look  around.
> >
> > Marnie  Uh, might be a Canon shot though. Which isn't very  PDMLish.
>
> Actually, it is.  Brings up an interesting point, though.  Are we restricting 
> to Pentax equipment or are we displaying our collective skills as 
> photographers?  And Photoshoppers/Lightroomers.

I think that if some one has a photo that illistrates a quote be it
Pentax or not, should be allowed. After all the submitter is on a
Pentax list. Close enough for me.:-)

Dave
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Re: A suggestion

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: 2007/12/17 Mon AM 07:59:54 GMT
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: A suggestion
> 
> In a message dated 12/16/2007 6:07:42 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> If you (yes, you)  don't send a picture, it won't.
> 
> 
> Too much responsibility.  ;-)
> 
> Since I take mainly landscape shots, unlikely. But, okay, I'll look  around.
> 
> Marnie  Uh, might be a Canon shot though. Which isn't very  PDMLish.

Actually, it is.  Brings up an interesting point, though.  Are we restricting 
to Pentax equipment or are we displaying our collective skills as 
photographers?  And Photoshoppers/Lightroomers.


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Re: A suggestion

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 12/16/2007 6:07:42 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If you (yes, you)  don't send a picture, it won't.


Too much responsibility.  ;-)

Since I take mainly landscape shots, unlikely. But, okay, I'll look  around.

Marnie  Uh, might be a Canon shot though. Which isn't very  PDMLish.

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Re: A suggestion

[mike wilson]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated 12/12/2007 1:20:34 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
>>Sounds good to  me.
> 
> 
> Me too.
> 
> Kenneth  Waller
> http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
> 
> =
> If it actually gets  off the ground, sounds fun.
> 
> Marnie aka Doe  

If you (yes, you) don't send a picture, it won't.

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Re: PDML book (was Re: A suggestion)

[mike wilson]

Beaker wrote:

> 2004 was a good year for quotes. Thanks, Mark!
> 
> "You can never have enough monkeys."
> — Bob Walkden
> 
> What the heck was Bob talking about?

Send me as picture, then we'll all know.

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RE: PDML book (was Re: A suggestion)

[Bob W]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of Beaker
> 
> 2004 was a good year for quotes. Thanks, Mark!
> 
> "You can never have enough monkeys."
> - Bob Walkden
> 
> What the heck was Bob talking about?
> 

Simians, and the sufficiency thereof.

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Re: PDML book (was Re: A suggestion)

[Beaker]

2004 was a good year for quotes. Thanks, Mark!

"You can never have enough monkeys."
— Bob Walkden

What the heck was Bob talking about?

Cheers
Beaker

On Dec 12, 2007, at 11:06 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:

> I had forgotten the 2005 quote by Cotty at his most articulate...
>
> Geez, someone reading those quotes out of context would think I was
> crazy, heck, they'd think we were all crazy.  That is as opposed, of
> course, to reading them in context which would remove any doubt.
>
> Mark Roberts wrote:
>> Quotation Archives (back to when I started keeping track in 2003) are
>> now on line:
>> http://www.robertstech.com/quote_01.htm
>> http://www.robertstech.com/quote_02.htm
>> http://www.robertstech.com/quote_03.htm
>> http://www.robertstech.com/quote_04.htm
>>
>> 2007 will be posted when it's complete in about 3 weeks :)

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Re: A suggestion

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 12/13/2007 7:43:05 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

"I can smell the testosterone from here."
- Marnie AKA  Doe
http://www.dariobonazza.com/misc/misc07e.htm

Cheers,

Dario
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Re: A suggestion

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 12/12/2007 1:20:34 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Sounds good to  me.

Me too.

Kenneth  Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

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Marnie aka Doe  

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Re: A suggestion

[mike wilson]

For now, either:  look through the quotes and see if you have a picture that 
might illustrate one of them or see if you have a picture that you would like 
to have published.  Send me a link to it off list, specifying the quote, if 
needed.
> 
> From: Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2007/12/14 Fri AM 09:19:25 GMT
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Subject: Re: A suggestion
> 
> Cool. What should I do?
> 
> Boris
> 
> mike wilson wrote:
> > Whilst pondering the thought that, today, I have spent the last 30 years 
> > of my life in the same job I had a thought.  Not of suicide but a 
> > constructive one.
> > 
> > How about making one of those self-published books (as Anne and others 
> > have done) of PDML quotes, illustrated with listers' photographs.  Not 
> > portraits of listers but photographs they deem worthy of publication. 
> > Could be portraits, I suppose.  Maybe shots pertaining to certain quotes.
> > 
> > Any profits accrued to go to Doug for list hosting.  Thoughts?
> > 
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Re: A suggestion

[Boris Liberman]

Cool. What should I do?

Boris

mike wilson wrote:
> Whilst pondering the thought that, today, I have spent the last 30 years 
> of my life in the same job I had a thought.  Not of suicide but a 
> constructive one.
> 
> How about making one of those self-published books (as Anne and others 
> have done) of PDML quotes, illustrated with listers' photographs.  Not 
> portraits of listers but photographs they deem worthy of publication. 
> Could be portraits, I suppose.  Maybe shots pertaining to certain quotes.
> 
> Any profits accrued to go to Doug for list hosting.  Thoughts?
> 


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Re: A suggestion

[mike wilson]

Cotty wrote:

> On 13/12/07, Dario Bonazza, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> 
>>"Hibble bibble bobble bibble bop. Gubble gobble gabble gip. Mibble 
>>mobblemabble mup."
>>- Cotty
>>http://www.dariobonazza.com/smith/patti24e.htm
> 
> 
> I was thinking more in terms of:
> 
> 
> "Hibble bibble bobble bibble bop. Gubble gobble gabble gip. Mibble 
> mobblemabble mup."
> - Cotty
> 
> 
> 8-D
> 
> 
Definitely in.

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Re: A suggestion

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Dec 13, 2007, at 11:25 AM, Cotty wrote:

> I was thinking more in terms of:
>
> "Hibble bibble bobble bibble bop. Gubble gobble gabble gip. Mibble
> mobblemabble mup."
> - Cotty
>

That may be easy for you to say...

Godfrey

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Re: A suggestion

[mike wilson]

Mark Roberts wrote:


> But I think it would be helpful to Mike of participants did actually 
> buckle down and make a *decision*. That is, pick a photo rather than 
> just pointing to a page of shots and expecting Mike to go through them 
> all.

Dead right.

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Re: A suggestion

[Cotty]

On 13/12/07, Dario Bonazza, discombobulated, unleashed:

>"Hibble bibble bobble bibble bop. Gubble gobble gabble gip. Mibble 
>mobblemabble mup."
>- Cotty
>http://www.dariobonazza.com/smith/patti24e.htm

I was thinking more in terms of:


"Hibble bibble bobble bibble bop. Gubble gobble gabble gip. Mibble 
mobblemabble mup."
- Cotty


8-D


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Re: A suggestion

[Dario Bonazza]

As I have no pearls of wisdom, here are a few suggestions including pictures 
of mine:

"Hibble bibble bobble bibble bop. Gubble gobble gabble gip. Mibble 
mobblemabble mup."
- Cotty
http://www.dariobonazza.com/smith/patti24e.htm

"Fun makes great photography"
- Godfrey DiGiorgi
http://www.dariobonazza.com/misc/misc15e.htm

"I don't know if digital has made me a better photographer, but in many 
situations it has improved my results."
- Paul Stenquist
http://www.dariobonazza.com/ammut/amm610e.htm

"Substandard and proud of it."
- Cotty
http://www.dariobonazza.com/misc/misc10e.htm

"I can smell the testosterone from here."
- Marnie AKA Doe
http://www.dariobonazza.com/misc/misc07e.htm

"Go with lots of film, shoot off a bunch, and hope for the best"
- Frank Theriault
http://www.dariobonazza.com/samhain/samh16e.htm


Cheers,

Dario
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From: "Mark Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: A suggestion


> David Savage wrote:
>
>>Personally I think someone has to pick the quotes, and then the
>>person who sprouted the pearl of "wisdom" supply a photo.
>
> Since the quotations have already been selected (well, the 2007 list
> will be on line in a couple of weeks), I think it would be fun if
> anyone who wanted to participate selected one of their own photos to
> accompany or illustrate someone *else's* quote. (Heck, even illustrate
> one of your own quips if you've got something good.)
>
> The lists so for:
> http://www.robertstech.com/quot2006.htm
> http://www.robertstech.com/quot2005.htm
> http://www.robertstech.com/quot2004.htm
> http://www.robertstech.com/quot2003.htm
>
> I suppose there's nothing wrong with just picking a photo you'd like to
> show off, either.
>
> But I think it would be helpful to Mike of participants did actually
> buckle down and make a *decision*. That is, pick a photo rather than
> just pointing to a page of shots and expecting Mike to go through them
> all.
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Re: A suggestion

[David Savage]

On Dec 13, 2007 11:35 PM, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But I think it would be helpful to Mike of participants did actually
> buckle down and make a *decision*. That is, pick a photo rather than
> just pointing to a page of shots and expecting Mike to go through them
> all.

Oh I agree, & I'm planning to find some time to got through the
quotes, and try and find a suitable image from my archive. But it's
going to take time, what with the silly season & work commitments (and
work related silly season commitments :-).

And as I said previously, if the process takes too long and there is
no one driving it, it'll die before it was born.

I think it's a great idea of Mike's, but I'm just playing devils advocate.

Cheers,

Dave

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Re: A suggestion

[Mark Roberts]

David Savage wrote:

>Personally I think someone has to pick the quotes, and then the 
>person who sprouted the pearl of "wisdom" supply a photo. 

Since the quotations have already been selected (well, the 2007 list 
will be on line in a couple of weeks), I think it would be fun if 
anyone who wanted to participate selected one of their own photos to 
accompany or illustrate someone *else's* quote. (Heck, even illustrate 
one of your own quips if you've got something good.)

The lists so for:
http://www.robertstech.com/quot2006.htm
http://www.robertstech.com/quot2005.htm
http://www.robertstech.com/quot2004.htm
http://www.robertstech.com/quot2003.htm

I suppose there's nothing wrong with just picking a photo you'd like to 
show off, either. 

But I think it would be helpful to Mike of participants did actually 
buckle down and make a *decision*. That is, pick a photo rather than 
just pointing to a page of shots and expecting Mike to go through them 
all.


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Re: A suggestion

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> 
> From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2007/12/13 Thu PM 01:51:58 GMT
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: Re: A suggestion
> 
> On Dec 13, 2007 10:11 PM, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > From: "Ken Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Date: 2007/12/12 Wed PM 09:18:38 GMT
> > > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> > > Subject: Re: A suggestion
> > >
> > > > Sounds good to me.
> > >
> > > Me too.
> >
> > Pictures, pictures, pictures.  It won't work without them...
> >
> > Just a link will do for now.
> 
> Personally I think someone has to pick the quotes, and then the person
> who sprouted the pearl of "wisdom" supply a photo. If this is left to
> group participation, without someone cracking the whip (don't get
> excited Cotty), the whole idea will die a slow death.

I don't think the quoted person supplying the pic will work, at least not all 
the time.  If anyone has a pic that they think fits a certain quote, please 
contact me (off list will be fine - we need to retain some element of suprise 
with this publication) so that I can start making sets up.

I foresee pages with groups of quotes on one side and an illustration of one of 
them (or an entirely different quote) facing.

> 
> And if you want picture I have some here:
> 
> <http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/>
> 
> ...and here:
> 
> <http://flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/>

Thanks.  Anyone else?


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Re: A suggestion

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On Dec 13, 2007 10:11 PM, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > From: "Ken Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: 2007/12/12 Wed PM 09:18:38 GMT
> > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> > Subject: Re: A suggestion
> >
> > > Sounds good to me.
> >
> > Me too.
>
> Pictures, pictures, pictures.  It won't work without them...
>
> Just a link will do for now.

Personally I think someone has to pick the quotes, and then the person
who sprouted the pearl of "wisdom" supply a photo. If this is left to
group participation, without someone cracking the whip (don't get
excited Cotty), the whole idea will die a slow death.

And if you want picture I have some here:

<http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/>

...and here:

<http://flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/>

...and I have a lot more stuff in a few other locations.

Cheers,

Dave

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Re: A suggestion

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: "Ken Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2007/12/12 Wed PM 09:18:38 GMT
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: Re: A suggestion
> 
> > Sounds good to me.
> 
> Me too.

Pictures, pictures, pictures.  It won't work without them...

Just a link will do for now.


> 
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: A suggestion
> 
> 
> > On 11/12/07, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:
> >
> >>Whilst pondering the thought that, today, I have spent the last 30 years
> >>of my life in the same job I had a thought.  Not of suicide but a
> >>constructive one.
> >>
> >>How about making one of those self-published books (as Anne and others
> >>have done) of PDML quotes, illustrated with listers' photographs.  Not
> >>portraits of listers but photographs they deem worthy of publication.
> >>Could be portraits, I suppose.  Maybe shots pertaining to certain quotes.
> >>
> >>Any profits accrued to go to Doug for list hosting.  Thoughts?
> >
> > Sounds good to me.
> >
> > -- 
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >  Cotty
> >
> >
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Re: A suggestion

[mike wilson]

Thanks.
> 
> From: "David J Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2007/12/12 Wed PM 01:41:06 GMT
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: Re: A suggestion
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5863227
> 
> Dave
> 
> On Dec 12, 2007 8:07 AM, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >
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Re: PDML book (was Re: A suggestion)

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 12/12/2007 8:13:13 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Geez, someone reading  those quotes out of context would think I was 
crazy, heck, they'd think we  were all crazy.  That is as opposed, of 
course, to reading them in  context which would remove any doubt.

==
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Re: A suggestion

[Ken Waller]

> Sounds good to me.

Me too.

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From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A suggestion


> On 11/12/07, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>Whilst pondering the thought that, today, I have spent the last 30 years
>>of my life in the same job I had a thought.  Not of suicide but a
>>constructive one.
>>
>>How about making one of those self-published books (as Anne and others
>>have done) of PDML quotes, illustrated with listers' photographs.  Not
>>portraits of listers but photographs they deem worthy of publication.
>>Could be portraits, I suppose.  Maybe shots pertaining to certain quotes.
>>
>>Any profits accrued to go to Doug for list hosting.  Thoughts?
>
> Sounds good to me.
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Re: A suggestion

[P. J. Alling]

I'm making a habit of this today, once again harsher than I intended... 
(Assume the same smiley at the end and I'll try to be nicer in the future).

P. J. Alling wrote:
> Don't sell yourself short Doug, you're at least a two dollar whore.
>
> Doug Brewer wrote:
>   
>> On Dec 11, 2007, at 9:07 PM, Cesar Matamoros II wrote:
>>
>>   
>> 
>>> If we all sent Doug a quarter he would think of himself as a two-bit
>>> whore ;-P
>>> 
>>>   
>> I'm already a two-bit whore, thank you very much.
>>
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Re: PDML book (was Re: A suggestion)

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I had forgotten the 2005 quote by Cotty at his most articulate...

Geez, someone reading those quotes out of context would think I was 
crazy, heck, they'd think we were all crazy.  That is as opposed, of 
course, to reading them in context which would remove any doubt.

Mark Roberts wrote:
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Re: A suggestion

[P. J. Alling]

Don't sell yourself short Doug, you're at least a two dollar whore.

Doug Brewer wrote:
> On Dec 11, 2007, at 9:07 PM, Cesar Matamoros II wrote:
>
>   
>> If we all sent Doug a quarter he would think of himself as a two-bit
>> whore ;-P
>> 
>
> I'm already a two-bit whore, thank you very much.
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Re: PDML book (was Re: A suggestion)

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Quotation Archives (back to when I started keeping track in 2003) are 
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Re: PDML book (was Re: A suggestion)

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William Robb wrote:
> - Original Message - 
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> 
> Subject: Re: PDML book (was Re: A suggestion)
> 
> 
>> Here is one from Nevada. Its known as Elephant rock, but was hard to
>> get a decent angle on it.
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5863227
>> You can use it if you like.
>>
> 
> I think that picture that John Francis just reposted would be a better 
> choice.
>  http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/scary.jpg
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Re: PDML book (was Re: A suggestion)

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- Original Message - 
From: "David J Brooks"

Subject: Re: PDML book (was Re: A suggestion)


> Here is one from Nevada. Its known as Elephant rock, but was hard to
> get a decent angle on it.
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5863227
> You can use it if you like.
>

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 http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/scary.jpg

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Re: A suggestion

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http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5863227

Dave

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> > > On Dec 11, 2007, at 9:07 PM, Cesar Matamoros II wrote:
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> > >
> > > I'm already a two-bit whore, thank you very much.
> >
> > You recieved my quarter then.:-)
> >
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Re: A suggestion

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> 
> From: "David J Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2007/12/12 Wed PM 12:39:55 GMT
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> On Dec 12, 2007 1:06 AM, Doug Brewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > On Dec 11, 2007, at 9:07 PM, Cesar Matamoros II wrote:
> >
> > > If we all sent Doug a quarter he would think of himself as a two-bit
> > > whore ;-P
> >
> > I'm already a two-bit whore, thank you very much.
> 
> You recieved my quarter then.:-)
> 
> Dave
> 
> BTW idea sounds good to me.
> 
> Dave

So where's your picture?

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Re: PDML book (was Re: A suggestion)

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Here is one from Nevada. Its known as Elephant rock, but was hard to
get a decent angle on it.
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5863227
You can use it if you like.

Dave

On Dec 12, 2007 3:26 AM, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > From: David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > At 03:06 PM 12/12/2007, Doug Brewer wrote:
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> > >On Dec 11, 2007, at 9:07 PM, Cesar Matamoros II wrote:
> > >
> > > > If we all sent Doug a quarter he would think of himself as a two-bit
> > > > whore ;-P
> > >
> > >I'm already a two-bit whore, thank you very much.
> >
> > That revelation certainly surprises me.
> >
> > Who'd  pay 2 bits?
>
> OK - to drag this, whimpering, back on topic.
>
> If anyone has a picture they would like publishing, which may, or may not, be 
> relevant to one of the quotes from recent years, please let me know off list. 
>  I will investigate the book publishing options.
>
> To start it off, I would like one of the recent(ish) pictures of Elephants to 
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Re: PDML book (was Re: A suggestion)

[mike wilson]

I don't even remember who I am most days.
> 
> From: Brian Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Not to be picky, but I think that should be "hippo's bum".   Maybe they're 
> similar...
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> 
> 
> Cheers
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> Quoting mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
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> > OK - to drag this, whimpering, back on topic.
> > 
> > If anyone has a picture they would like publishing, which may, or
> > may not, be relevant to one of the quotes from recent years, please
> > let me know off list.  I will investigate the book publishing
> > options.
> > 
> > To start it off, I would like one of the recent(ish) pictures of
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Re: A suggestion

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On Dec 12, 2007 1:06 AM, Doug Brewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I'm already a two-bit whore, thank you very much.

You recieved my quarter then.:-)

Dave

BTW idea sounds good to me.

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Re: A suggestion

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There is always plasma donation.

> Whilst pondering the thought that, today, I have spent the last 30 years 
> of my life in the same job I had a thought.  Not of suicide but a 
> constructive one.
> 
> How about making one of those self-published books (as Anne and others 
> have done) of PDML quotes, illustrated with listers' photographs.  Not 
> portraits of listers but photographs they deem worthy of publication. 
> Could be portraits, I suppose.  Maybe shots pertaining to certain quotes.
> 
> Any profits accrued to go to Doug for list hosting.  Thoughts?
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Re: PDML book (was Re: A suggestion)

[Brian Walters]

Not to be picky, but I think that should be "hippo's bum".   Maybe they're 
similar...



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Quoting mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> OK - to drag this, whimpering, back on topic.
> 
> If anyone has a picture they would like publishing, which may, or
> may not, be relevant to one of the quotes from recent years, please
> let me know off list.  I will investigate the book publishing
> options.
> 
> To start it off, I would like one of the recent(ish) pictures of
> Elephants to illustrate my quote of "I do know a Rhino's bum when I
> see one".  Anyone volunteer?
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PDML book (was Re: A suggestion)

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> 
> From: David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2007/12/12 Wed AM 06:15:20 GMT
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> Subject: Re: A suggestion
> 
> At 03:06 PM 12/12/2007, Doug Brewer wrote:
> 
> >On Dec 11, 2007, at 9:07 PM, Cesar Matamoros II wrote:
> >
> > > If we all sent Doug a quarter he would think of himself as a two-bit
> > > whore ;-P
> >
> >I'm already a two-bit whore, thank you very much.
> 
> That revelation certainly surprises me.
> 
> Who'd  pay 2 bits?

OK - to drag this, whimpering, back on topic.

If anyone has a picture they would like publishing, which may, or may not, be 
relevant to one of the quotes from recent years, please let me know off list.  
I will investigate the book publishing options.

To start it off, I would like one of the recent(ish) pictures of Elephants to 
illustrate my quote of "I do know a Rhino's bum when I see one".  Anyone 
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Re: A suggestion

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At 03:06 PM 12/12/2007, Doug Brewer wrote:

>On Dec 11, 2007, at 9:07 PM, Cesar Matamoros II wrote:
>
> > If we all sent Doug a quarter he would think of himself as a two-bit
> > whore ;-P
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>I'm already a two-bit whore, thank you very much.

That revelation certainly surprises me.

Who'd  pay 2 bits?

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Re: A suggestion

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On Dec 11, 2007, at 9:07 PM, Cesar Matamoros II wrote:

> If we all sent Doug a quarter he would think of himself as a two-bit
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I'm already a two-bit whore, thank you very much.

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Re: A suggestion

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- Original Message - 
From: "Cesar Matamoros II"
Subject: Re: A suggestion



> If we all sent Doug a quarter he would think of himself as a two-bit 
> whore ;-P

Mustn't type...
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Re: A suggestion

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "ann sanfedele"
Subject: Re: A suggestion



> ack!  I'm out 
> 

Spoilsport.
HAR!!

William Robb

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Re: A suggestion

[Cesar Matamoros II]

William Robb wrote:
> - Original Message - 
> From: "mike wilson"
> Subject: A suggestion
>
>
>   
>> Whilst pondering the thought that, today, I have spent the last 30 years 
>> of my life in the same job I had a thought.  Not of suicide but a 
>> constructive one.
>>
>> How about making one of those self-published books (as Anne and others 
>> have done) of PDML quotes, illustrated with listers' photographs.  Not 
>> portraits of listers but photographs they deem worthy of publication. 
>> Could be portraits, I suppose.  Maybe shots pertaining to certain quotes.
>>
>> Any profits accrued to go to Doug for list hosting.  Thoughts?
>> 
>
> Why don't we all just send Doug a quarter...
> Seriously though, I think it's a great idea.
>
> William Robb
>
>   
If we all sent Doug a quarter he would think of himself as a two-bit 
whore ;-P

Cesar
Panama City, Florida

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Re: A suggestion

[ann sanfedele]

William Robb wrote:

>- Original Message - 
>From: "ann sanfedele"
>Subject: Re: A suggestion
>
>
>
>  
>
>>>How about making one of those self-published books (as Anne and others 
>>>have done) of PDML quotes, illustrated with listers' photographs.  Not 
>>>portraits of listers but photographs they deem worthy of publication. 
>>>Could be portraits, I suppose.  Maybe shots pertaining to certain quotes.
>>>
>>>Any profits accrued to go to Doug for list hosting.  Thoughts?
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>cute idea!
>>
>>I'm in
>>
>>
>
>Heck, your gonna be the publisher.
>
>William Robb
>  
>

ack!  I'm out 

ann


>  
>



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Re: A suggestion

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "ann sanfedele"
Subject: Re: A suggestion



>>
>>How about making one of those self-published books (as Anne and others 
>>have done) of PDML quotes, illustrated with listers' photographs.  Not 
>>portraits of listers but photographs they deem worthy of publication. 
>>Could be portraits, I suppose.  Maybe shots pertaining to certain quotes.
>>
>>Any profits accrued to go to Doug for list hosting.  Thoughts?
>>
>>  
>>
> cute idea!
> 
> I'm in

Heck, your gonna be the publisher.

William Robb

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Re: A suggestion

[ann sanfedele]

mike wilson wrote:

>Whilst pondering the thought that, today, I have spent the last 30 years 
>of my life in the same job I had a thought.  Not of suicide but a 
>constructive one.
>
>How about making one of those self-published books (as Anne and others 
>have done) of PDML quotes, illustrated with listers' photographs.  Not 
>portraits of listers but photographs they deem worthy of publication. 
>Could be portraits, I suppose.  Maybe shots pertaining to certain quotes.
>
>Any profits accrued to go to Doug for list hosting.  Thoughts?
>
>  
>
cute idea!

I'm in




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Re: A suggestion

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "mike wilson"
Subject: A suggestion


> Whilst pondering the thought that, today, I have spent the last 30 years 
> of my life in the same job I had a thought.  Not of suicide but a 
> constructive one.
> 
> How about making one of those self-published books (as Anne and others 
> have done) of PDML quotes, illustrated with listers' photographs.  Not 
> portraits of listers but photographs they deem worthy of publication. 
> Could be portraits, I suppose.  Maybe shots pertaining to certain quotes.
> 
> Any profits accrued to go to Doug for list hosting.  Thoughts?

Why don't we all just send Doug a quarter...
Seriously though, I think it's a great idea.

William Robb

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Re: A suggestion

[Cotty]

On 11/12/07, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Whilst pondering the thought that, today, I have spent the last 30 years 
>of my life in the same job I had a thought.  Not of suicide but a 
>constructive one.
>
>How about making one of those self-published books (as Anne and others 
>have done) of PDML quotes, illustrated with listers' photographs.  Not 
>portraits of listers but photographs they deem worthy of publication. 
>Could be portraits, I suppose.  Maybe shots pertaining to certain quotes.
>
>Any profits accrued to go to Doug for list hosting.  Thoughts?

Sounds good to me.

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A suggestion

[mike wilson]

Whilst pondering the thought that, today, I have spent the last 30 years 
of my life in the same job I had a thought.  Not of suicide but a 
constructive one.

How about making one of those self-published books (as Anne and others 
have done) of PDML quotes, illustrated with listers' photographs.  Not 
portraits of listers but photographs they deem worthy of publication. 
Could be portraits, I suppose.  Maybe shots pertaining to certain quotes.

Any profits accrued to go to Doug for list hosting.  Thoughts?

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Re: More cat pictures and a suggestion :)

[Ann Sanfedele]

was that a doggie that cat was playing with ? sooo cute!
Maybe we should produce a calendar of Cats and the Pentax shooters who
love them.
or um a Catelog.  IMHO, cats make us all look good - a friend of mine
once said it was hard to
take a  * bad * picutre of a cat.

Meow,
annsan


William Robb wrote:

> Check out a couple of oldies but goodies here.
>
> http://www.accesscomm.ca/users/wrobb/LeicaT-Max.jpg
> http://www.accesscomm.ca/users/wrobb/T-Max2.jpg
>
> William Robb
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Re: Time to buy an enlarger! Got a suggestion?

[Ed Mathews]

I built my darkroom under my steps, so the area where I have the enlarger
has a very low ceiling above it.  I'm also 6'4" tall, so I have my
worksurface mounted at about 38" high for comfort.  I could lower that for
the enlarger a little, but it would be a major pain in the butt, and I'd
probably never get it level again.

Thanks,
Ed
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From: "tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: Time to buy an enlarger! Got a suggestion?


> Everything I've read say wide angle enlarging lenses aren't particularly
> sharp.
>
> Haven't tried it myself
>
> You're hitting the ceiling at 11x14? I thought the beseler went to 16x20
> on the baseboard.
>
> I've still got like 2 feet to spare.
>
> tv
>
> Ed Mathews wrote:
> >
> > Can't you also get bigger enlargements by using an enlarging lens with a
> > shorter than normal focal length?  What's the downside to that?  I was
> > thinking about getting a 40mm lens for my 23CII because it hits the
ceiling
> > at an 11"x14" full frame.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ed
> >
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Re: Time to buy an enlarger! Got a suggestion?

[Shel Belinkoff]

Ed Mathews wrote:
> 
> Can't you also get bigger enlargements
> by using an enlarging lens with a
> shorter than normal focal length? 

Of course, but with rare exceptions using wider than normal
focal lengths is not recommended.  Darmed if I can recall where
I got that information - I know one source was a comment that
Ctein made on the photo list on Compuserve some time back, but I
also read it in a few places.  Enlarging lenses are optimized
for a particular range of magnification and working distance
from the baseboard.

That said, there's a wide angle (not just a shorter focal
length) made by Rodenstock that is one of the few exceptions to
the rule.  It's the Rodagon WA, however, the lens is
specifically formulated for the purpose, as opposed to just
using a shorter focal length to get greater magnification on the
baseboard. 

Go to  http://www.rodenstockoptics.com/enlarge_index.htm to find
out more.

-- 
Shel Belinkoff
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and occurs ahead of my ability to understand it."
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RE: Time to buy an enlarger! Got a suggestion?

[Kevin Thornsberry]

Sid,

I don't know if this helps, probably won't, but I have a Beseler 67cp (along with a 
full assortment of trays, tongs, tanks, bulk loader, etc.) that I'm thinking about 
putting on Ebay to help fund lens buying.  I believe it is capable of  6x7 and the 
column reverses for floor printing.  I bought it a few years ago (before child #1) 
with the hope of setting up a darkroom but now with two kids under 3 I've resolved 
myself to the digital darkroom for now.  For all I know this is a "cadet" enlarger 
like you mention.  I don't have a manual but you seem to know what you are doing?

Kevin

-Original Message-
From:   Sid Barras [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Sunday, February 04, 2001 11:24 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:    Time to buy an enlarger! Got a suggestion?

.
.
.
.
. 
So I think that after this little experiment fails, I'll be shopping for
an enlarger to do up to 24 x 30 or thereabouts in my soon to be expanded
darkroom. I have one of those Beseler "Cadets" right now, so I know I
need a real one for something like this.
.
.
.
.
 
Sid

 application/ms-tnef

Re: Time to buy an enlarger! Got a suggestion?

[Ed Mathews]

Can't you also get bigger enlargements by using an enlarging lens with a
shorter than normal focal length?  What's the downside to that?  I was
thinking about getting a 40mm lens for my 23CII because it hits the ceiling
at an 11"x14" full frame.

Thanks,
Ed

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SV: Time to buy an enlarger! Got a suggestion?

[Jens Bladt]

Hi
In my lab they tell me that the results depend very much on the film
material used. But I guess that's too late now. Don't compromise like that.
Some new custumer might see them. Make the print the old fashioned way. You
woun't regret, eventhough your profit might be small!
Jens

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Emne: Time to buy an enlarger! Got a suggestion?


Hi,
Well, I've done my research in this one horse town, and it don't look
good for getting my extra large prints done by a commercial lab locally.
(I've got a buyer for some of my black and white scenics, but she wants
very large prints: 24x30 and beyond from 35mm negs!)

I have the option of trying the negs done in color chemistry. And I will
have that done tomorrow, just as a test, to see how they do. The guy at
the lab didn't sound real hopeful.

Do any of you guys (and gals) have any experience with printing B & W
negs on color paper, and then in color soup? (we're talking about
extreme enlargements, too.)

So I think that after this little experiment fails, I'll be shopping for
an enlarger to do up to 24 x 30 or thereabouts in my soon to be expanded
darkroom. I have one of those Beseler "Cadets" right now, so I know I
need a real one for something like this.

The digital route still has merits, but my research and my instinct
tells me I should hold off on this until I've made a few sales and have
"spread myself around". By then I should (hopefully) be able to charge
the kinds of prices needed to cover the much higher cost of "going
digiital" (and getting archival quality output-- I just don't trust the
durability of dye sublimation and especially inkjet-- not yet) . Some of
the figures I was quoted were breath-taking. (or breath stopping,
actually)


So: I'm sure everyone here (almost) has a favorite, and why you like it.

I need it to be sturdy enough to get those very large prints I've been
talking about. I am  using a condenser version now, should I consider a
dichro or variable contrast head? (I'm almost certain I won't be doing
any color work, now or in the future)
Cost is a consideration, but since this machine will (fingers crossed
here) be a business investment, I want something reliable, robust, and
able to do big prints, from 35mm and med. format negs. Maybe a large
format camera is in my future?

I will rebuild my darkroom around this enlarger, so compactness or lack
thereof is not too much of a consideration.

Well, any suggestions?

Thanks, as always for excellent advice.

Sid

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Re: Time to buy an enlarger! Got a suggestion?

[Shel Belinkoff]

Hi Sid ...

A good option is an older Omega D-2V or D-2VXL.   They can make
large prints on the baseboard (the XL can make VERY large prints
), and can be used for floor projection as well.  The
variable condenser allows the use of numerous formats, and the
thing is built like a tank.  Go here for more details:
http://www.classic-enlargers.com/

Harry's prices are a little high, but his information is
accurate, his  quality is good, and he does have the goods. He's
a great source for parts and supplies, too. These enlargers come
up on ebay frequently, and can be found in any number of shops
specializing in older equipment.  Newer versions, such as the D5
series, are much more expensive than even Harry's prices.

FWIW, I've an Omega D-2V and a Beseler 23C-II with a dichroic
head.

And don't skimp on enlarging lenses.  El Nikors, Schneider
Componons, and Rodenstock Rodagons are all good, but check each
lens before buying it.  There are often enough variations in
lens quality that it can make a difference in the quality of the
prints - especially large prints.

HTH
-- 
Shel Belinkoff
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and occurs ahead of my ability to understand it."
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Re: Time to buy an enlarger! Got a suggestion?

[tom]

Sid Barras asks concerning a possible enlarger purchase:
> 
> I need it to be sturdy enough to get those very large prints I've been
> talking about. I am  using a condenser version now, should I consider a
> dichro or variable contrast head? (I'm almost certain I won't be doing
> any color work, now or in the future)

Don't get a color head. Either get something that will easily take
contrast filters, or get a VC constant exposure head.

You can control contrast by using the M and Y on a color head, but it
screws with exposure and makes life miserable.

People may tell you a color head is ok for b+w.  Don't believe the hype,
unless it also has a filter drawer and you plan to do some color.

Want to buy my Saunders D6700? ;)

> Cost is a consideration, but since this machine will (fingers crossed
> here) be a business investment, I want something reliable, robust, and
> able to do big prints, from 35mm and med. format negs. Maybe a large
> format camera is in my future?

Well, I'm in a similar boat, looking at something to replace my
Saunders. It won't be another Saunders, and I can't afford a VCCE 4x5
(>$2k new) right now.

I want a VCCE head. A good filter drawer would be ok, but with the color
head I've gotten used to making very small changes in contrast. You'd
save some money by going the drawer route.

The options for me are the Durst M670, Kaiser VPM 9005, Saunders
670VCCE, and
Beseler 23cIII.

I ain't buying another Saunders. I don't think the Beseler is constant
exposure ( I may be wrong, but their literature doesn't say so).

I think the Kaiser or Durst may be my solution...the Durst is about $300
cheaper, but the Kaiser can print up to 6x9, and may be more expandable.
I may have to drive up to B+H.

By the way, I don't think any enlarger will do 24x30 without having to
project on a wall...I think 16x20 is the limit for a MF enlarger. You'll
need to project on the floor or wall. Better enlargers can rotate the
head for wall projection.

Of course, you could buy a used 4x5...or mount it on the wall and
fabricate an adjustable bench...or use 2 enlargers...or...

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Time to buy an enlarger! Got a suggestion?

[Sid Barras]

Hi,
Well, I've done my research in this one horse town, and it don't look
good for getting my extra large prints done by a commercial lab locally.
(I've got a buyer for some of my black and white scenics, but she wants
very large prints: 24x30 and beyond from 35mm negs!)

I have the option of trying the negs done in color chemistry. And I will
have that done tomorrow, just as a test, to see how they do. The guy at
the lab didn't sound real hopeful.

Do any of you guys (and gals) have any experience with printing B & W
negs on color paper, and then in color soup? (we're talking about
extreme enlargements, too.)

So I think that after this little experiment fails, I'll be shopping for
an enlarger to do up to 24 x 30 or thereabouts in my soon to be expanded
darkroom. I have one of those Beseler "Cadets" right now, so I know I
need a real one for something like this.

The digital route still has merits, but my research and my instinct
tells me I should hold off on this until I've made a few sales and have
"spread myself around". By then I should (hopefully) be able to charge
the kinds of prices needed to cover the much higher cost of "going
digiital" (and getting archival quality output-- I just don't trust the
durability of dye sublimation and especially inkjet-- not yet) . Some of
the figures I was quoted were breath-taking. (or breath stopping,
actually)


So: I'm sure everyone here (almost) has a favorite, and why you like it.

I need it to be sturdy enough to get those very large prints I've been
talking about. I am  using a condenser version now, should I consider a
dichro or variable contrast head? (I'm almost certain I won't be doing
any color work, now or in the future)
Cost is a consideration, but since this machine will (fingers crossed
here) be a business investment, I want something reliable, robust, and
able to do big prints, from 35mm and med. format negs. Maybe a large
format camera is in my future?

I will rebuild my darkroom around this enlarger, so compactness or lack
thereof is not too much of a consideration.

Well, any suggestions?

Thanks, as always for excellent advice.

Sid

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Re: Formatting discussions - a suggestion OT, obviously :)

[Ann Sanfedele]

Tom Rittenhouse wrote:

> Ann, part of the problem is AOL 6.0 is crippled. Apparently
> users can not turn off HTML for their email.  That is why the
> small strange type.  Your using large type is the reason even
> normal text base stuff goes off the screen.

Normal plain text stuff DOESNT go off my screen.  I have the wrap to
window thing turned on in my Netscape preferences.

> When you make your
> default type bigger, your are reducing the number of characters
> the screen can display.

No shit, sherlock -

> Normal type displays 80 characters
> across the screen.

Not since the DOS days, baby - there aint no such thing as normal in WINDOZE

> When you enlarge your type you may only be
> able to see 32 or 40 characters.

I have a 17"monitor -  have the display at 800x600, bold variable width 11
font overriding
all incoming stuff.  ITs lovely.  I have the setting set to wrap to window
width.

> Then you would have the type
> running off the screen or have truncated lines depending on
> whether you have word wrap turned on or not.
> --Tom

Tom the mystery is only when I receive posts that have , instead of text in
the body of
the mail, the following:

> >Part 1.1
> >   Type   Plain Text (text/plain) Encoding: 7bit
> >

Is this MIME?   Is that the problem???

Anyway, sometimes when I open these it is plain text, not bolded (of course)
but nicely
all of the mail appears right here on my screen.  But other times the entire
body of the
text goes streaming off into lala land in one continuous line -  as if it were
written in a line editor that permitted 200 to 300 characters.  Mostly these
post come from AOL folk.
IF I highlight and copy to a blank Composer page, it falls into line!
Not only that, but I get plenty of mail from some friends on AOL which is
perfectly "normal"
But then, they may still have 5.0...

I would like to think this isn't unsolvable.  oh well.

Just for the record,  I've been working with computers since 1961  which means
I tend
to sneer at all the windows frills and get really annoyed at a whole lot of
things it does
and doesn't do.  I'm trying to adjust - photoshop helps, I like that.  But Id
give a lot
to have a unix shell account back and do my mail in pine!

Thanks for your input though - maybe someone will figure it all out.

annsan


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Re: Formatting discussions - a suggestion

[Tom Rittenhouse]

Weird!  I have my formating set to 64 characters yet this
truncated.  OTH, the sencond post in reply to Ann's did not. ???
-Tom

Tom Rittenhouse wrote:
> 
> Not really.  The problem is you have a lot of truncated tag ends
> of
> lines. It would be better if every body set their outgoing text
> to
> something less than screen width.  64 character was the
> standard, but I
> think that had more to do with some people using old apple II
> and radio
> shack trs80 and the like that had 64 character screens.  As Shel
> said
> above that does allow for several levels of quoting. Netscape
> defaults
> to 72 characters I believe.
> --Tom
> 
> Len Paris wrote:
> >
> > And neither can I tell me how to view them.  It's not a
> > capability of Outlook, or I wouldn't have asked.  However, his
> > problem is easily solved in Netscape by following the path:
> >
> > Edit
> > Preferences
> > Mail & Newsgroups
> > Messages
> > Check the box "Wrap incoming, plain text messages to window
> > width.
> >
> > That will solve His problems with long lines.
> >
> > Len
> > ---
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Shot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 5:43 PM
> > > To: Len Paris
> > > Subject: RE: Formatting discussions - a suggestion
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello.
> > >
> > > > Which e-mail program are you using?
> > > >
> > > > Len
> > >
> > > He's using Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-DIAL  (Win95; U).
> > >
> > > One can easily check this by seeing the headers of
> > > any message. Can't
> > > tell you how to view them in your Microsoft Outlook
> > > 8.5, Build
> > > 4.71.2377.0, though.
> > >
> > > :-)
> > >
> > > Pozdrav
> > > -- Shot
> > >
> > > --->
> > > http://shot.prv.pl/
> > > GCS/CC/IT/O d- s:>+: a-->?
> > > C++(+++) ULS P+ L(+) W++>$ N>++ w(--)
> > > PS+(++) PGP- t 5 X- R tv- b++>+++ DI D G++ e>*
> > > h-->--- r++>+++ y+**
> > > -> Geek Code Decoder:
> > http://www.ebb.org/ungeek/
> > They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist...
> > -- General John Sedgwick, Union commander in the Civil War,
> > speaking
> > his last words as he was watching enemy troops during the Battle
> > of
> > Spotsylvania Court House
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Re: Formatting discussions - a suggestion OT, obviously :)

[Tom Rittenhouse]

Ann, part of the problem is AOL 6.0 is crippled. Apparently
users can not turn off HTML for their email.  That is why the
small strange type.  Your using large type is the reason even
normal text base stuff goes off the screen.  When you make your
default type bigger, your are reducing the number of characters
the screen can display.  Normal type displays 80 characters
across the screen.  When you enlarge your type you may only be
able to see 32 or 40 characters.  Then you would have the type
running off the screen or have truncated lines depending on
whether you have word wrap turned on or not.
--Tom
 

Ann Sanfedele wrote:
> 
> Len I have Netscape for my email and have my preferences set as your
> example below.
> What is getting ME nuts is when I receive mail and the sender and
> subject are in my
> chosen font and size (everything is BIG on my machine)  and the body of
> the message says
> this:
> 
>Part 1.1
>   Type:
> Plain Text (text/plain)
>   Encoding:
>7bit
> 
> Sometimes when I open these (annoying enough to have to) the window
> margins
> are respected and sometimes the lines go dancing off the end of the
> screen.  That
> aspect of it clearly must be in the control of the sender.  Even when
> the margins are
> respected, the plain text in these cases ignores my incoming preferences
> and gives
> me small, faint non proportional font type.  - right, I know, plain
> text.
> More often than not it is from someone on AOL - but not always.  Some
> aol stuff I get
> changes to my fonts and preferences for quotes, etc.
> 
> Anyone suffering in the same manner or know why this is happening?
> I'm using Netscape 4.6
> Oh yeah, I did an experiment and forwarded one of those posts to my aol
> backup address -
> in that case it was all plain text and repeated, the second time with
> HTML code stuff in it.
> 
> annsan the easily confused
> 
> Len Paris wrote:
> 
> > And neither can I tell me how to view them.  It's not a
> > capability of Outlook, or I wouldn't have asked.  However, his
> > problem is easily solved in Netscape by following the path:
> >
> > Edit
> > Preferences
> > Mail & Newsgroups
> > Messages
> > Check the box "Wrap incoming, plain text messages to window
> > width.
> >
> > That will solve His problems with long lines.
> >
> > Len
> > ---
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Shot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 5:43 PM
> > > To: Len Paris
> > > Subject: RE: Formatting discussions - a suggestion
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello.
> > >
> > > > Which e-mail program are you using?
> > > >
> > > > Len
> > >
> > > He's using Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-DIAL  (Win95; U).
> > >
> > > One can easily check this by seeing the headers of
> > > any message. Can't
> > > tell you how to view them in your Microsoft Outlook
> > > 8.5, Build
> > > 4.71.2377.0, though.
> > >
> > > :-)
> > >
> > > Pozdrav
> > > -- Shot
> > >
> > > --->
> > > http://shot.prv.pl/
> > > GCS/CC/IT/O d- s:>+: a-->?
> > > C++(+++) ULS P+ L(+) W++>$ N>++ w(--)
> > > PS+(++) PGP- t 5 X- R tv- b++>+++ DI D G++ e>*
> > > h-->--- r++>+++ y+**
> > > -> Geek Code Decoder:
> > http://www.ebb.org/ungeek/
> > They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist...
> > -- General John Sedgwick, Union commander in the Civil War,
> > speaking
> > his last words as he was watching enemy troops during the Battle
> > of
> > Spotsylvania Court House
> >
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Re: Formatting discussions - a suggestion

[Tom Rittenhouse]

Not really.  The problem is you have a lot of truncated tag ends
of
lines. It would be better if every body set their outgoing text
to
something less than screen width.  64 character was the
standard, but I
think that had more to do with some people using old apple II
and radio
shack trs80 and the like that had 64 character screens.  As Shel
said
above that does allow for several levels of quoting. Netscape
defaults
to 72 characters I believe.
--Tom



Len Paris wrote:
> 
> And neither can I tell me how to view them.  It's not a
> capability of Outlook, or I wouldn't have asked.  However, his
> problem is easily solved in Netscape by following the path:
> 
> Edit
> Preferences
> Mail & Newsgroups
> Messages
> Check the box "Wrap incoming, plain text messages to window
> width.
> 
> That will solve His problems with long lines.
> 
> Len
> ---
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Shot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 5:43 PM
> > To: Len Paris
> > Subject: RE: Formatting discussions - a suggestion
> >
> >
> > Hello.
> >
> > > Which e-mail program are you using?
> > >
> > > Len
> >
> > He's using Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-DIAL  (Win95; U).
> >
> > One can easily check this by seeing the headers of
> > any message. Can't
> > tell you how to view them in your Microsoft Outlook
> > 8.5, Build
> > 4.71.2377.0, though.
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > Pozdrav
> > -- Shot
> >
> > --->
> > http://shot.prv.pl/
> > GCS/CC/IT/O d- s:>+: a-->?
> > C++(+++) ULS P+ L(+) W++>$ N>++ w(--)
> > PS+(++) PGP- t 5 X- R tv- b++>+++ DI D G++ e>*
> > h-->--- r++>+++ y+**
> > -> Geek Code Decoder:
> http://www.ebb.org/ungeek/
> They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist...
> -- General John Sedgwick, Union commander in the Civil War,
> speaking
> his last words as he was watching enemy troops during the Battle
> of
> Spotsylvania Court House
> 
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Re: Formatting discussions - a suggestion

[Joseph Tainter]

I should have clarified that I'm a no-mailer, so I read the messages in
my browser - Netscape 4.7.

And, yes, sometimes I'm a no-brainer, too.

Joe
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Re: Formatting discussions - a suggestion

[CCX Net]

Some place in the Preferences section of your browser or email reader there
should be an optioon to wrap long lines.

Check it out in your help section.

R.

- Original Message -
From: "Joseph Tainter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 7:00 PM
Subject: Formatting discussions - a suggestion


> Something new to this new list seems to be that many messages have lines
> that are too long for the screen width, so that I have to use the bar at
> the bottom of the screen to go back and forth to see all of a line. It's
> a bit of a nuisance for multi-line messages - which is most of them.
> Does anyone else have this problem?
>
> I have set my e-mail to wrap outgoing messages at 72 characters. That
> seems to center the text nicely on PDML. As a courtesy to readers, would
> others of you please try this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe
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Re: Formatting discussions - a suggestion

[Shel Belinkoff]

Joseph Tainter wrote:
> 
> Something new to this new list seems 
> to be that many messages have lines
> that are too long for the screen width ...
> 
> I have set my e-mail to wrap outgoing 
> messages at 72 characters. That
> seems to center the text nicely on PDML. 
> As a courtesy to readers, would
> others of you please try this?

Setting the wrap at something like 64 characters is, perhaps,
an even better option, as it allows for multiple quoting
without the characters running to the next line and not
showing as a quote.
-- 
Shel Belinkoff
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RE: Formatting discussions - a suggestion

[Len Paris]

Which e-mail program are you using?

Len
---

> Something new to this new list seems to be that many 
> messages have lines
> that are too long for the screen width, so that I 
> have to use the bar at
> the bottom of the screen to go back and forth to see 
> all of a line. It's
> a bit of a nuisance for multi-line messages - which 
> is most of them.
> Does anyone else have this problem?
> 
> I have set my e-mail to wrap outgoing messages at 72 
> characters. That
> seems to center the text nicely on PDML. As a 
> courtesy to readers, would
> others of you please try this?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Joe

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Formatting discussions - a suggestion

[Joseph Tainter]

Something new to this new list seems to be that many messages have lines
that are too long for the screen width, so that I have to use the bar at
the bottom of the screen to go back and forth to see all of a line. It's
a bit of a nuisance for multi-line messages - which is most of them.
Does anyone else have this problem?

I have set my e-mail to wrap outgoing messages at 72 characters. That
seems to center the text nicely on PDML. As a courtesy to readers, would
others of you please try this?

Thanks,

Joe
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