April 2003 PUG Contest
Last December I sent the following message to the list. Well, April is almost at hand, and so I announce the opening of the Bulwer-Lytton/William Robb contest for best photographic cliché Send your choice to me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll keep a total and announce the winner at the end of the month. The only rule is: one vote apiece. Please send me the full title and photographer's name. Give me your justification, or just vote without justification. I'm traveling until April 16, so I won't be able to answer e-mails until then. The winner earns an honored place in the PUG Hall of Fame. Have fun, and may the best (worst?) cliché win. Joe Original Message Subject: April 2003 PUG Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:14:56 -0700 From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the PUG with the theme Cliché. In my opinion, it is one of Bill's most brilliant ideas. I suggest that we set up a vote for the best cliché photo that month. (And I'm suggesting it for that month only, unless we want to make it an annual.) I have in mind something like the annual Bulwer-Lytton award. Bulwer-Lytton was a Victorian novelist who wrote It was a dark and stormy night. So every year the Bulwer-Lytton award goes to the most creative awful opening sentence - a classic cliché. People work hard to produce them, and some are quite witty (www.bulwer-lytton.com). A photography equivalent would be fun.
April 2003 PUG Contest Again
UPDATE: For some reason this came through to me with my e-mail address deleted. So I'll try again, and try to disguise my address: jtainteratmindspringdotcom In the above, replace 'at' with @ and 'dot' with a dot. Don't know why the server did this. Joe Last December I sent the following message to the list. Well, April is almost at hand, and so I announce the opening of the Bulwer-Lytton/William Robb contest for best photographic cliché Send your choice to me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll keep a total and announce the winner at the end of the month. The only rule is: one vote apiece. Please send me the full title and photographer's name. Give me your justification, or just vote without justification. I'm traveling until April 16, so I won't be able to answer e-mails until then. The winner earns an honored place in the PUG Hall of Fame. Have fun, and may the best (worst?) cliché win. Joe Original Message Subject: April 2003 PUG Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:14:56 -0700 From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the PUG with the theme Cliché. In my opinion, it is one of Bill's most brilliant ideas. I suggest that we set up a vote for the best cliché photo that month. (And I'm suggesting it for that month only, unless we want to make it an annual.) I have in mind something like the annual Bulwer-Lytton award. Bulwer-Lytton was a Victorian novelist who wrote It was a dark and stormy night. So every year the Bulwer-Lytton award goes to the most creative awful opening sentence - a classic cliché. People work hard to produce them, and some are quite witty (www.bulwer-lytton.com). A photography equivalent would be fun.
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- Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 6:23 AM Subject: Re: April 2003 PUG and conrect attri Jostein wrote: Glen, great ideas. Maybe more of a challenge to us who have English as second or third language, but still,... -Time to sit down and think, then. :-) Jostein Well, do a cliche from your own language :) But the photo cliches are universal, non? annsan Ann, Just read your other re: to Glen, and think your point is well made that Glen's idea is somewhat on the sideline of photographic clichés. Not sure if photographic clichés are universal, though. Photographic trends tend to become clichés after a while, but are certainly not global or even universal. :-) Jostein
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I don't know, I don't think people pictures can be cliches unless they are very over posed as every person is an individual. Children and puppies are kind of a universal make me smile thing. Now, the typical tourist postcard, on the other hand... Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] Treena wrote: unable to resist a tele lens shot of a pensive little kid clutching a flower AND a puppy. He taunted me with Puppies and children, Ann Maybe I can find that slide... :)
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Although quoted in reply to Treena... annsan wrote the puppies and children thing... It kinda looked in your quote below that I was quoting treena telling a story about someone named Ann anyway... T Rittenhouse wrote: I don't know, I don't think people pictures can be cliches unless they are very over posed as every person is an individual. Children and puppies are kind of a universal make me smile thing. Now, the typical tourist postcard, on the other hand... Aside from sunsets, I think cutseypie pictures of children with goo on their face, are about as cliched as you can get... or how about grandma with a toddler grandchild? They don't have to be poorly shot pictures to be a cliche - but they probably should have a Norman Rockwell look to them :) Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] Treena wrote: quoting annsan who wrote unable to resist a tele lens shot of a pensive little kid clutching a flower AND a puppy. He taunted me with Puppies and children, Ann Maybe I can find that slide... :) annsan quoting all that stuff above
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Perhaps an interesting twist on the Cliché theme. Imagine producing an image that illustrates a common cliché. For instance: A fork in the road Imagine a long hilly road stretching off into the distance. Image take at ground level in the middle of the road. Long yellow double lines stretching off into the distance and telephone poles lining one side of the road. Fields of grass (or corn or wheat or whatever) on either side. And stuck into the road about 15 feet in front of the camera is a pitch fork. Now many will get technical and ask how this could be done. This could be done digitally, or by sawing off the ends of the tines to make it look like it was actually stuck in the road, or by finding an asphalt road that is soft enough from the hot summer sun to actually stick the fork in. Anyway the technique is not so important. The idea is just the literal interpretation of the cliché into an image. You can pick any cliché and illustrate it in visual and literal terms. Here's another: Put up your Dukes Several pictures of John Wayne hanging on drying clips in a darkroom. Egg on your face This ones obvious All of that and a bag of chips Think of a table filled with all kinds of non-related items; razor blades, comb, cassette tape, pencils, old photos, forks, envelopes, etc (you get the idea) and off to the side by itself is a bag of chips (any brand you like) ... Snowballs chance in Hell This could be an interesting challenge ... So this is the idea anyway. What do you think? Glen -Original Message- From: Ann Sanfedele [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 12:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: April 2003 PUG and conrect attri Although quoted in reply to Treena... annsan wrote the puppies and children thing... It kinda looked in your quote below that I was quoting treena telling a story about someone named Ann anyway... T Rittenhouse wrote: I don't know, I don't think people pictures can be cliches unless they are very over posed as every person is an individual. Children and puppies are kind of a universal make me smile thing. Now, the typical tourist postcard, on the other hand... Aside from sunsets, I think cutseypie pictures of children with goo on their face, are about as cliched as you can get... or how about grandma with a toddler grandchild? They don't have to be poorly shot pictures to be a cliche - but they probably should have a Norman Rockwell look to them :) Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] Treena wrote: quoting annsan who wrote unable to resist a tele lens shot of a pensive little kid clutching a flower AND a puppy. He taunted me with Puppies and children, Ann Maybe I can find that slide... :) annsan quoting all that stuff above
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Glen O'Neal wrote: Perhaps an interesting twist on the Cliché theme. Imagine producing an image that illustrates a common cliché. For instance: A fork in the road You can pick any cliché and illustrate it in visual and literal terms. Here's another: Put up your Dukes Several pictures of John Wayne hanging on drying clips in a darkroom. Egg on your face This ones obvious All of that and a bag of chips ... Some of these aren't cliches, exactly - they are just expressions that are recognized and definable. Your idea about illustrating sayings in this way could really be fun but I don't call a fork in the road a cliche. put up your dukes in dialogue in a film, sure, cliche. But we are photographers, and I think the idea was to do photgraphic cliches um no, I think it was just Robb's impishness, actually.. to make us writhe a bit before April fool time. That being said - I think your idea much more fun than doing photo cliches... especially, if we each did one without specifying what it was... Then I don't have to find the puppy and kid one :) And, oh yeah, all that and a bag if chips is, as the reviews say, new to us - Sounds teddibly British to me - as in fish and Snowballs chance in Hell This could be an interesting challenge ... So this is the idea anyway. What do you think? Glen ANd you thought of that because of all this complaining about its too hot or too cold where ever here is for may of us, yes??? g annsan I
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Jostein wrote: Glen, great ideas. Maybe more of a challenge to us who have English as second or third language, but still,... -Time to sit down and think, then. :-) Jostein Well, do a cliche from your own language :) But the photo cliches are universal, non? annsan - Original Message - From: Glen O'Neal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 8:03 PM Subject: RE: April 2003 PUG and conrect attri Perhaps an interesting twist on the Cliché theme. Imagine producing an image that illustrates a common cliché. For instance: A fork in the road Imagine a long hilly road stretching off into the distance. Image take at ground level in the middle of the road. Long yellow double lines stretching off into the distance and telephone poles lining one side of the road. Fields of grass (or corn or wheat or whatever) on either side. And stuck into the road about 15 feet in front of the camera is a pitch fork. Now many will get technical and ask how this could be done. This could be done digitally, or by sawing off the ends of the tines to make it look like it was actually stuck in the road, or by finding an asphalt road that is soft enough from the hot summer sun to actually stick the fork in. Anyway the technique is not so important. The idea is just the literal interpretation of the cliché into an image. You can pick any cliché and illustrate it in visual and literal terms. Here's another: Put up your Dukes Several pictures of John Wayne hanging on drying clips in a darkroom. Egg on your face This ones obvious All of that and a bag of chips Think of a table filled with all kinds of non-related items; razor blades, comb, cassette tape, pencils, old photos, forks, envelopes, etc (you get the idea) and off to the side by itself is a bag of chips (any brand you like) ... Snowballs chance in Hell This could be an interesting challenge ... So this is the idea anyway. What do you think? Glen -Original Message- From: Ann Sanfedele [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 12:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: April 2003 PUG and conrect attri Although quoted in reply to Treena... annsan wrote the puppies and children thing... It kinda looked in your quote below that I was quoting treena telling a story about someone named Ann anyway... T Rittenhouse wrote: I don't know, I don't think people pictures can be cliches unless they are very over posed as every person is an individual. Children and puppies are kind of a universal make me smile thing. Now, the typical tourist postcard, on the other hand... Aside from sunsets, I think cutseypie pictures of children with goo on their face, are about as cliched as you can get... or how about grandma with a toddler grandchild? They don't have to be poorly shot pictures to be a cliche - but they probably should have a Norman Rockwell look to them :) Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] Treena wrote: quoting annsan who wrote unable to resist a tele lens shot of a pensive little kid clutching a flower AND a puppy. He taunted me with Puppies and children, Ann Maybe I can find that slide... :) annsan quoting all that stuff above
April 2003 PUG
This is the PUG with the theme Cliché. In my opinion, it is one of Bill's most brilliant ideas. I suggest that we set up a vote for the best cliché photo that month. (And I'm suggesting it for that month only, unless we want to make it an annual.) I have in mind something like the annual Bulwer-Lytton award. Bulwer-Lytton was a Victorian novelist who wrote It was a dark and stormy night. So every year the Bulwer-Lytton award goes to the most creative awful opening sentence - a classic cliché. People work hard to produce them, and some are quite witty (www.bulwer-lytton.com). A photography equivalent would be fun. Unless folks find this objectionable, I'll volunteer to handle the e-mails and keep the tally. Joe P.S. I suspect that Cotty is the real annual winner of the Bulwer-Lytton award, writing under various noms-de-plume.
Re: April 2003 PUG
On Monday, December 16, 2002, at 12:14 PM, Joseph Tainter wrote: This is the PUG with the theme Cliché. In my opinion, it is one of Bill's most brilliant ideas. I suggest that we set up a vote for the best cliché photo that month. (And I'm suggesting it for that month only, unless we want to make it an annual.) Unless folks find this objectionable, I'll volunteer to handle the e-mails and keep the tally. Joe Sounds good to me. I'm currently wracking my brain trying to figure out what is the photographic equivalent of a velvet painting of a sad, crying, clown in an iron lung [Rocko's Modern Life]. Maybe the classic photographer's self-portraita camera obscuring most of one's face as seen in the bathroom mirror? Too easy? Dan Scott
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Joseph Tainter wrote: This is the PUG with the theme Cliché. In my opinion, it is one of Bill's most brilliant ideas. I suggest that we set up a vote for the best cliché photo that month. (And I'm suggesting it for that month only, unless we want to make it an annual.) Unless folks find this objectionable, I'll volunteer to handle the e-mails and keep the tally. Joe P.S. I suspect that Cotty is the real annual winner of the Bulwer-Lytton award, writing under various noms-de-plume. Sounds like fun to me, Joe :) annsan
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This one time, at band camp, Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have in mind something like the annual Bulwer-Lytton award. Bulwer-Lytton was a Victorian novelist who wrote It was a dark and stormy night. So every year the Bulwer-Lytton award goes to the most produce them, and some are quite witty (www.bulwer-lytton.com). A photography equivalent would be fun. Keep the Dark and stormy night in mind, I would just need to submit my Leonid photos Kind regards Kevin -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Kevin Waterson Byron Bay, Australia
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Joe, I think this is a very good idea. Interesting to see what different people think of as a cliché. To Norwegian nature photographers, the no. 1 cliché is Elk In Sunset. Which probably Wouldn't mean much to eg. Sridhar, Albano or Rob Studdert...:-) Jostein Norwegian Lanscape Cliché-ist. - Original Message - From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 7:14 PM Subject: April 2003 PUG This is the PUG with the theme Cliché. In my opinion, it is one of Bill's most brilliant ideas. I suggest that we set up a vote for the best cliché photo that month. (And I'm suggesting it for that month only, unless we want to make it an annual.) I have in mind something like the annual Bulwer-Lytton award. Bulwer-Lytton was a Victorian novelist who wrote It was a dark and stormy night. So every year the Bulwer-Lytton award goes to the most creative awful opening sentence - a classic cliché. People work hard to produce them, and some are quite witty (www.bulwer-lytton.com). A photography equivalent would be fun. Unless folks find this objectionable, I'll volunteer to handle the e-mails and keep the tally. Joe P.S. I suspect that Cotty is the real annual winner of the Bulwer-Lytton award, writing under various noms-de-plume.
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On 16 Dec 2002 at 22:26, Jostein wrote: Joe, I think this is a very good idea. Interesting to see what different people think of as a cliché. To Norwegian nature photographers, the no. 1 cliché is Elk In Sunset. Which probably Wouldn't mean much to eg. Sridhar, Albano or Rob Studdert...:-) Correct. I can envisage a shot of the Sydney Opera House with the Sydney Harbour Bridge in the background... Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
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Hmm... I think I'll do well with this one. I could send in pretty much any pic I've taken over the last couple of years - I specialize in cliches. I've got lots of lighthouse photos; what's more cliche than that?g cheers, frank Rob Studdert wrote: Correct. I can envisage a shot of the Sydney Opera House with the Sydney Harbour Bridge in the background... Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
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I think this is a very good idea. Interesting to see what different people think of as a clichÈ. To Norwegian nature photographers, the no. 1 clichÈ is Elk In Sunset. Which probably Wouldn't mean much to eg. Sridhar, Albano or Rob Studdert...:-) A great British one is old codgers sat outside pub with flat caps, dogs and walking sticks, smiling and chatting (when in reality they spit venom) :-) Cotty Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/ Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/
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I'm thinking of a B+W shot of an old barn, with a barbed-wire fence. And maybe a nice outhouse. - Original Message - From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 5:48 PM Subject: Re: April 2003 PUG On 16 Dec 2002 at 22:26, Jostein wrote: Joe, I think this is a very good idea. Interesting to see what different people think of as a cliché. To Norwegian nature photographers, the no. 1 cliché is Elk In Sunset. Which probably Wouldn't mean much to eg. Sridhar, Albano or Rob Studdert...:-) Correct. I can envisage a shot of the Sydney Opera House with the Sydney Harbour Bridge in the background... Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
