Re: Camera for a 13-year old?
On 3/8/14, Brian Walters, discombobulated, unleashed: The Fujis are indeed wonderful cameras, so I'm told. I'm seriously considering buying one. But we aren't talking about a superannuated old fart on the wrong side of 65 here. John wants a camera for a modern young lady of the iPad/iPhone generation. She already has a compact digital camera and, if presented with a nice new Fuji with a manual focus lens attached as the sole lens option, she is going to be a tad disappointed. If mirrorless ends up as the final option, by all means include the adapter and Pentax lens and show her the fun that can be had with it. But I really think the kit autofocus zoom is going to be a necessity, whatever the final decision. The problem with Fuji is that the X-E1 body with the 18-55 standard zoom is going to push the price to close to $1000 in Australia. I don't know John's budget but I suspect that might be a bit high. Of course, if a viewfinder isn't a necessity, the Fuji X-A1 kit can be had for a reasonable sum and that might well be an affordable way into the Fuji system. The question is, does the recipient want to rattle off auto-everything pictures? Or does she want to learn about the relationships between light and time. If the former, then go for an auto-everything camera (in fact the Fujis do that as well). If the latter, then by all means go for an auto-everything camera that has manual override perhaps. The reason I recommended the Fuji, is that it has a traditional shutter speed control layout on top, and will accept the use of manual focus, and manual aperture lenses. This setup is very good for students of photography in that it is easy to see the said relationships working with (or indeed against) each other. Not always easy to see on auto cameras with manual override. And, of course, auto lenses can be added later if desired. Personally I would try and opt for a camera with either an optical or electronic viewfinder instead of just a rear LCD. Learning to compose while excluding all other peripheral vision can be useful. Again, if the intention is to just give her a decent camera that takes interchangeable lenses with which to try out, then this is perhaps moot. I'll tell you what though, if she gets a liking for it and wants more control, you might find that the camera he gets her becomes an interim affair that means she'll want to upgrade to something with better manual control. The realm of manual lenses is not just the over 65s! X-E1 bodies can be readily had off eekbay at good prices, even with an AF standard zoom. If that's too much or he prefers to buy new, I understand completely. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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What I didn't know about the Argus C3 until relatively recently is that it also has interchangeable lenses. I think they made three lenses for it. Mine was made of bakelight and was black with chrome and faux leather trim. It looked just like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argus_C3#mediaviewer/File:Argus_C3.jpg (…only the trim wasn't peeling.) Godfrey On Aug 3, 2014, at 11:55 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: P.J. Alling wrote: I always thought that calling the Argus C-3 the brick was an insult to bricks... The C3 has slightly better optical qualities, and is a little sturdier, without weighing much more. On 8/3/2014 12:02 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: Is that the one that looks like a blue brick? Mine is black. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 2:23 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: When I was 12, I took a photography class in summer school, and my first camera was an Argus C3. Mine was a small chisel and a slate rock/ Dve a -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Using the interchangeable lenses on the Argus, made using interchangeable lenses on Kodak Retina IIc and IIIc cameras look simple. Well that's not exactly true changing lenses on the Retinas was a relative snap, using them was something of a PITA. Changeing lenses on the Argus was a major PITA, using them was a somewhat smalle3r PITA. On 8/4/2014 10:28 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: What I didn't know about the Argus C3 until relatively recently is that it also has interchangeable lenses. I think they made three lenses for it. Mine was made of bakelight and was black with chrome and faux leather trim. It looked just like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argus_C3#mediaviewer/File:Argus_C3.jpg (…only the trim wasn't peeling.) Godfrey On Aug 3, 2014, at 11:55 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: P.J. Alling wrote: I always thought that calling the Argus C-3 the brick was an insult to bricks... The C3 has slightly better optical qualities, and is a little sturdier, without weighing much more. On 8/3/2014 12:02 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: Is that the one that looks like a blue brick? Mine is black. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That's not surprising using the C3. It had a pretty terrible rangefinder. On 8/4/2014 12:08 PM, Don Guthrie wrote: Ah the C3 my 1st 35mm camera as well. I think I have one or two copies around and I think I have one its more conventional successor with two lens on a shelf somewhere. Never really got the hang of RF focus. On 8/3/14, 2:34 PM, pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 10 Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2014 11:55:40 -0700 From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Camera for a 13-year old? Message-ID: 53de85ac.1050...@red4est.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed P.J. Alling wrote: I always thought that calling the Argus C-3 the brick was an insult to bricks... The C3 has slightly better optical qualities, and is a little sturdier, without weighing much more. On 8/3/2014 12:02 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: Is that the one that looks like a blue brick? Mine is black. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4 Aug 2014, at 15:57, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 2:23 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: When I was 12, I took a photography class in summer school, and my first camera was an Argus C3. Mine was a small chisel and a slate rock/ Luxury! We had to make do with a rock and the forces of erosion. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hi John, I wish there were more Fathers like you encouraging teenage children to get into absorbing interesting hobbies than just playing games on computers or doing worst things. One more money saving suggestion - a cheap $ 20 to 30 FA 28-80 or 28-90 (28-70 is better but costs $ 70) would complement the K-500 and would be greater fun for your son. KEH com and Evil Bay have plenty of these lenses. Regards. Bipin. camp: Thornhill, Ontario. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob W-PDML wrote: On 4 Aug 2014, at 15:57, David J Brookspentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 2:23 AM, Larry Colenl...@red4est.com wrote: When I was 12, I took a photography class in summer school, and my first camera was an Argus C3. Mine was a small chisel and a slate rock/ Luxury! We had to make do with a rock and the forces of erosion. You had rock? We just had hydrogen gas and stellar fusion. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks Bipin - and to any others I might have missed. I'm now inclining to gifting my *ist-D, together with a new or second-hand Pentax standard zoom, as I know she will get good results, all else being equal (won't avoid poor framing, optimistic exposure settings, or shooting while running, of course!). The budget is restricted, so the suggestions of cmaeras around the $1000 mark have been ruled out, and this seems the better solution. John Coyle Brisbane, Australia -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bipin Gupta Sent: Tuesday, 5 August 2014 4:48 AM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Camera for a 13-year old? Hi John, I wish there were more Fathers like you encouraging teenage children to get into absorbing interesting hobbies than just playing games on computers or doing worst things. One more money saving suggestion - a cheap $ 20 to 30 FA 28-80 or 28-90 (28-70 is better but costs $ 70) would complement the K-500 and would be greater fun for your son. KEH com and Evil Bay have plenty of these lenses. Regards. Bipin. camp: Thornhill, Ontario. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I just found something scarier than agreeing with Godfrey, having him start a reply almost word for word with what I was about to write. Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: It depends on the child. When I was 12, my mom gave me her Argus C3 (my father bought her a new Kodak Retina IIIc). When I was 13, my grandfather loaned me his Rolleiflex Automat. That was at the start of High School. The following Summer, I took all the money I'd saved over the course of the year and my uncle supplemented it to help me buy a Nikon F. Later that same Summer, I'd saved up another $100 and bought a pair of decrepit Leica II cameras at one of the big camera shops in Manhattan. When I was 12, I took a photography class in summer school, and my first camera was an Argus C3. My bar mitzvah present three months later was a Minolta SRT-101. I did not find the SLR to be at all daunting. Granted The first camera I remember using was my dad's spotty II which he had taught me to use one afternoon right after he bought it a few months previous to that. Could you spend a couple hours with the girl, or girls, showing her, or them, how to use your SLR, and showing them what they can do in manual mode, and see how well they take to it? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I was going to suggest a used K-r. Steve Cottrell wrote: On 2/8/14, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed: The Fujis are very amenable to using manual focus lenses, though their X series lenses are every bit as good as Pentax lenses. Something like the X-E1 might make a very nice starter camera, and Fuji has an excellent upgrade path. I was going to suggest exactly this until Mr Robb beat me to it. The X-E1 can be had for good money and is easily used with Pentax lenses. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think a lot of us started with the Argus C-3. I wrote this about it in 2010 http://georgesinos.com/blog/first-camera It would be hard to imagine a more basic design. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 1:23 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: I just found something scarier than agreeing with Godfrey, having him start a reply almost word for word with what I was about to write. Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: It depends on the child. When I was 12, my mom gave me her Argus C3 (my father bought her a new Kodak Retina IIIc). When I was 13, my grandfather loaned me his Rolleiflex Automat. That was at the start of High School. The following Summer, I took all the money I'd saved over the course of the year and my uncle supplemented it to help me buy a Nikon F. Later that same Summer, I'd saved up another $100 and bought a pair of decrepit Leica II cameras at one of the big camera shops in Manhattan. When I was 12, I took a photography class in summer school, and my first camera was an Argus C3. My bar mitzvah present three months later was a Minolta SRT-101. I did not find the SLR to be at all daunting. Granted The first camera I remember using was my dad's spotty II which he had taught me to use one afternoon right after he bought it a few months previous to that. Could you spend a couple hours with the girl, or girls, showing her, or them, how to use your SLR, and showing them what they can do in manual mode, and see how well they take to it? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Is that the one that looks like a blue brick? jco On 8/3/2014 9:52 AM, George Sinos wrote: I think a lot of us started with the Argus C-3. I wrote this about it in 2010 http://georgesinos.com/blog/first-camera It would be hard to imagine a more basic design. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 1:23 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: I just found something scarier than agreeing with Godfrey, having him start a reply almost word for word with what I was about to write. Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: It depends on the child. When I was 12, my mom gave me her Argus C3 (my father bought her a new Kodak Retina IIIc). When I was 13, my grandfather loaned me his Rolleiflex Automat. That was at the start of High School. The following Summer, I took all the money I'd saved over the course of the year and my uncle supplemented it to help me buy a Nikon F. Later that same Summer, I'd saved up another $100 and bought a pair of decrepit Leica II cameras at one of the big camera shops in Manhattan. When I was 12, I took a photography class in summer school, and my first camera was an Argus C3. My bar mitzvah present three months later was a Minolta SRT-101. I did not find the SLR to be at all daunting. Granted The first camera I remember using was my dad's spotty II which he had taught me to use one afternoon right after he bought it a few months previous to that. Could you spend a couple hours with the girl, or girls, showing her, or them, how to use your SLR, and showing them what they can do in manual mode, and see how well they take to it? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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usually black metal or imitation leather, gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 11:02 AM, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote: Is that the one that looks like a blue brick? jco On 8/3/2014 9:52 AM, George Sinos wrote: I think a lot of us started with the Argus C-3. I wrote this about it in 2010 http://georgesinos.com/blog/first-camera It would be hard to imagine a more basic design. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 1:23 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: I just found something scarier than agreeing with Godfrey, having him start a reply almost word for word with what I was about to write. Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: It depends on the child. When I was 12, my mom gave me her Argus C3 (my father bought her a new Kodak Retina IIIc). When I was 13, my grandfather loaned me his Rolleiflex Automat. That was at the start of High School. The following Summer, I took all the money I'd saved over the course of the year and my uncle supplemented it to help me buy a Nikon F. Later that same Summer, I'd saved up another $100 and bought a pair of decrepit Leica II cameras at one of the big camera shops in Manhattan. When I was 12, I took a photography class in summer school, and my first camera was an Argus C3. My bar mitzvah present three months later was a Minolta SRT-101. I did not find the SLR to be at all daunting. Granted The first camera I remember using was my dad's spotty II which he had taught me to use one afternoon right after he bought it a few months previous to that. Could you spend a couple hours with the girl, or girls, showing her, or them, how to use your SLR, and showing them what they can do in manual mode, and see how well they take to it? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I always thought that calling the Argus C-3 the brick was an insult to bricks... On 8/3/2014 12:02 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: Is that the one that looks like a blue brick? jco On 8/3/2014 9:52 AM, George Sinos wrote: I think a lot of us started with the Argus C-3. I wrote this about it in 2010 http://georgesinos.com/blog/first-camera It would be hard to imagine a more basic design. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 1:23 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: I just found something scarier than agreeing with Godfrey, having him start a reply almost word for word with what I was about to write. Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: It depends on the child. When I was 12, my mom gave me her Argus C3 (my father bought her a new Kodak Retina IIIc). When I was 13, my grandfather loaned me his Rolleiflex Automat. That was at the start of High School. The following Summer, I took all the money I'd saved over the course of the year and my uncle supplemented it to help me buy a Nikon F. Later that same Summer, I'd saved up another $100 and bought a pair of decrepit Leica II cameras at one of the big camera shops in Manhattan. When I was 12, I took a photography class in summer school, and my first camera was an Argus C3. My bar mitzvah present three months later was a Minolta SRT-101. I did not find the SLR to be at all daunting. Granted The first camera I remember using was my dad's spotty II which he had taught me to use one afternoon right after he bought it a few months previous to that. Could you spend a couple hours with the girl, or girls, showing her, or them, how to use your SLR, and showing them what they can do in manual mode, and see how well they take to it? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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P.J. Alling wrote: I always thought that calling the Argus C-3 the brick was an insult to bricks... The C3 has slightly better optical qualities, and is a little sturdier, without weighing much more. On 8/3/2014 12:02 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: Is that the one that looks like a blue brick? Mine is black. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:50 PM, John Coyle jco...@iinet.net.au wrote: Thanks Brian, Darren, and John for thoughts. Larry, I just think that an SLR might be daunting for a youngster, although I am sometimes inclined to give an older SLR (like an SV with the accessory meter) so that the basics can be learnt while still having quality results. There is little more disappointing for someone starting out than getting crap results, IMO. Still debating! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia John, I know many friends and family, young and old, who have been taking pictures for many years and have yet to get anything but crap results. These are the ones who think that you can take a camera and go do photography. If your granddaughter wants to learn photography, I think an DSLR would be ideal.It is much more intuitive to learn about focus by adjusting a ring on the lens, to learn about depth-of-field and f/ stops by adjusting a ring on the lens, to learn about shutter speeds by adjusting a dial on the camera body. If all of the mechanisms are buried in a menu system it is far more likely that she will set on auto-everything mode, she will be limited by the quality of the computer inside of the camera, and she will never improve the quality of the computer inside her head. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I would agree, get a basic DSLR and a manual focus lens (used if cost is an issue) and go from there. jco On 8/2/2014 7:41 AM, Stan Halpin wrote: On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:50 PM, John Coyle jco...@iinet.net.au wrote: Thanks Brian, Darren, and John for thoughts. Larry, I just think that an SLR might be daunting for a youngster, although I am sometimes inclined to give an older SLR (like an SV with the accessory meter) so that the basics can be learnt while still having quality results. There is little more disappointing for someone starting out than getting crap results, IMO. Still debating! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia John, I know many friends and family, young and old, who have been taking pictures for many years and have yet to get anything but crap results. These are the ones who think that you can take a camera and go do photography. If your granddaughter wants to learn photography, I think an DSLR would be ideal.It is much more intuitive to learn about focus by adjusting a ring on the lens, to learn about depth-of-field and f/ stops by adjusting a ring on the lens, to learn about shutter speeds by adjusting a dial on the camera body. If all of the mechanisms are buried in a menu system it is far more likely that she will set on auto-everything mode, she will be limited by the quality of the computer inside of the camera, and she will never improve the quality of the computer inside her head. stan -- J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:50 PM, John Coyle jco...@iinet.net.au wrote: Thanks Brian, Darren, and John for thoughts. Larry, I just think that an SLR might be daunting for a youngster, although I am sometimes inclined to give an older SLR (like an SV with the accessory meter) so that the basics can be learnt while still having quality results. There is little more disappointing for someone starting out than getting crap results, IMO. Still debating! If you don't mind spending a bit of money, the Fuji mirrorless cameras are a very nice, basic on the outside, very advanced on the inside cameras. They have dials rather than buttons for camera settings, and their imaging quality is superb. One of the things people on the Fuju forums are always amazed by is how good their out of camera jpegs are, which is nice for someone who doesn't want to have the whole digital imaging spectrum thrown at them at once. The Fujis are very amenable to using manual focus lenses, though their X series lenses are every bit as good as Pentax lenses. Something like the X-E1 might make a very nice starter camera, and Fuji has an excellent upgrade path. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2/8/14, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed: The Fujis are very amenable to using manual focus lenses, though their X series lenses are every bit as good as Pentax lenses. Something like the X-E1 might make a very nice starter camera, and Fuji has an excellent upgrade path. I was going to suggest exactly this until Mr Robb beat me to it. The X-E1 can be had for good money and is easily used with Pentax lenses. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks to GDG, Stan, Bill, JCO and Cotty - I'm now inclining to either something in the Fuji range, or passing on my *ist-D - which still works well, and I can include a couple of lenses as well - that also gives me an excuse to upgrade! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Steve Cottrell Sent: Sunday, 3 August 2014 7:07 AM To: pentax list Subject: Re: Camera for a 13-year old? On 2/8/14, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed: The Fujis are very amenable to using manual focus lenses, though their X series lenses are every bit as good as Pentax lenses. Something like the X-E1 might make a very nice starter camera, and Fuji has an excellent upgrade path. I was going to suggest exactly this until Mr Robb beat me to it. The X-E1 can be had for good money and is easily used with Pentax lenses. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Quoting Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv: On 2/8/14, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed: The Fujis are very amenable to using manual focus lenses, though their X series lenses are every bit as good as Pentax lenses. Something like the X-E1 might make a very nice starter camera, and Fuji has an excellent upgrade path. I was going to suggest exactly this until Mr Robb beat me to it. The X-E1 can be had for good money and is easily used with Pentax lenses. Far be it from me to disagree with Messrs Robb and Cottrell. Oh, well. Into the fire... The Fujis are indeed wonderful cameras, so I'm told. I'm seriously considering buying one. But we aren't talking about a superannuated old fart on the wrong side of 65 here. John wants a camera for a modern young lady of the iPad/iPhone generation. She already has a compact digital camera and, if presented with a nice new Fuji with a manual focus lens attached as the sole lens option, she is going to be a tad disappointed. If mirrorless ends up as the final option, by all means include the adapter and Pentax lens and show her the fun that can be had with it. But I really think the kit autofocus zoom is going to be a necessity, whatever the final decision. The problem with Fuji is that the X-E1 body with the 18-55 standard zoom is going to push the price to close to $1000 in Australia. I don't know John's budget but I suspect that might be a bit high. Of course, if a viewfinder isn't a necessity, the Fuji X-A1 kit can be had for a reasonable sum and that might well be an affordable way into the Fuji system. Decisions. Decisions... -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Looking to tap the collective wisdom of the list, as I'm a bit out of touch with the equipment area. One of my granddaughters is showing an increasing interest in photography, and is outgrowing the compact digital and the iPad gear she has been using, and will probably be given a new camera for her birthday next month: my question is what would the list recommend in these circumstances? I don't believe an SLR is the right configuration, but perhaps a mirrorless or 4/3 which could also use some of my Pentax lenses would be the go? Cost is also a consideration, as her twin sister will be one of the contributors to buying it for her! TIA John Coyle Brisbane, Australia -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Quoting John Coyle jco...@iinet.net.au: Looking to tap the collective wisdom of the list, as I'm a bit out of touch with the equipment area. One of my granddaughters is showing an increasing interest in photography, and is outgrowing the compact digital and the iPad gear she has been using, and will probably be given a new camera for her birthday next month: my question is what would the list recommend in these circumstances? I don't believe an SLR is the right configuration, but perhaps a mirrorless or 4/3 which could also use some of my Pentax lenses would be the go? Cost is also a consideration, as her twin sister will be one of the contributors to buying it for her! TIA Without knowing the budget, it's a bit difficult. The Olympus Pen Lite (E-PL5) might be a good choice if $600 or thereabouts is not too much. There is a cheaper Pen but it's mainly menu driven and probably a bit limiting. Pentax lenses can be used with a Pentax K - Micro 4/3 adapter (only in manual focus mode), which can be had on Ebay for about 20 bucks. None of the Pens have an eye-level viewfinder although there is a clip-on electronic viewfinder available (adds about $200). Another option could be the Lumix G5 - a bit more expensive than the E-PL5 but it has a built-in electronic viewfinder. I'd suggest taking a look at Digital Camera Warehouse's web site - it has pretty much all the current mirrorless options listed so you can compare prices and features. http://www.digitalcamerawarehouse.com.au/ -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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John Coyle wrote: Looking to tap the collective wisdom of the list, as I'm a bit out of touch with the equipment area. One of my granddaughters is showing an increasing interest in photography, and is outgrowing the compact digital and the iPad gear she has been using, and will probably be given a new camera for her birthday next month: my question is what would the list recommend in these circumstances? I don't believe an SLR is the right configuration, but perhaps a mirrorless or 4/3 which could also use some of my Pentax lenses would be the go? Cost is also a consideration, as her twin sister will be one of the contributors to buying it for her! TIA What's the downside of an SLR? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You may think me crazy, but I think a superb camera for a 13 year old would be one of the original Pentax Q or Q10s. Their image quality will surprise you, they are now FAR less expensive NEW than even a used a APS-C DSLR, they have interchangable lenses and they are a BLAST to use. You can get a Q10 in the snazzy RED with the zoom lens for a whole $187 shipped from newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA4P01PF0326nm_mc=KNC-GoogleMKPcm_mmc=KNC-GoogleMKP-_-pla-_-Camcorders-_-9SIA4P01PF0326ef_id=UxVHtgWNyMFM:20140801184420:s If I were 13 years old today, I'd be THRILLED with such an excellent and versatile gift. (They can get add'l lenses for future gifts, for example). On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: John Coyle wrote: Looking to tap the collective wisdom of the list, as I'm a bit out of touch with the equipment area. One of my granddaughters is showing an increasing interest in photography, and is outgrowing the compact digital and the iPad gear she has been using, and will probably be given a new camera for her birthday next month: my question is what would the list recommend in these circumstances? I don't believe an SLR is the right configuration, but perhaps a mirrorless or 4/3 which could also use some of my Pentax lenses would be the go? Cost is also a consideration, as her twin sister will be one of the contributors to buying it for her! TIA What's the downside of an SLR? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Photographers must learn not to be ashamed to have their photographs look like photographs. ~ Alfred Stieglitz -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 8/1/2014 2:10 AM, John Coyle wrote: Looking to tap the collective wisdom of the list, as I'm a bit out of touch with the equipment area. One of my granddaughters is showing an increasing interest in photography, and is outgrowing the compact digital and the iPad gear she has been using, and will probably be given a new camera for her birthday next month: my question is what would the list recommend in these circumstances? I don't believe an SLR is the right configuration, but perhaps a mirrorless or 4/3 which could also use some of my Pentax lenses would be the go? Cost is also a consideration, as her twin sister will be one of the contributors to buying it for her! TIA John Coyle Brisbane, Australia Don't know how it might fit into your cost considerations, but maybe one of the higher end compact cameras? -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Camera for a 13-year old?
It would be fun for your 13 year old to use some of your lenses as he moves up and learns, so the K-500 with the 50mm f1.8 Lens would be the best buy. You could borrow his camera in emergencies. I have seen great deals on the K-500. As an 8-year old my Father gave me a British made Ensign Ful Vue Flex TLR camera - cast magnesium - built in yellow filter + 3-Apertures and 2-speeds with B T. At 13 he gave me a Yashica TLR, a full fledged camera with a Kako Japanese Flash Gun. In college he gave me a Pentax Spotmatic and allowed me to use his Leica gear. We had a full Leica Lab with an Enlarger at home and enjoyed developing + printing our own photos. Trust a 13 year old as a big boy - what joy for a teen. He will love it and love you for this great gift as I did my Father. Regards. Nanhi camp: Thornhill, Ontario. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks Bipin - your message arrived seconds after I sent my response to Larry, etc! The K500 sounds like a good suggestion John Coyle Brisbane, Australia -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bipin Gupta Sent: Saturday, 2 August 2014 11:02 AM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Camera for a 13-year old? It would be fun for your 13 year old to use some of your lenses as he moves up and learns, so the K-500 with the 50mm f1.8 Lens would be the best buy. You could borrow his camera in emergencies. I have seen great deals on the K-500. As an 8-year old my Father gave me a British made Ensign Ful Vue Flex TLR camera - cast magnesium - built in yellow filter + 3-Apertures and 2-speeds with B T. At 13 he gave me a Yashica TLR, a full fledged camera with a Kako Japanese Flash Gun. In college he gave me a Pentax Spotmatic and allowed me to use his Leica gear. We had a full Leica Lab with an Enlarger at home and enjoyed developing + printing our own photos. Trust a 13 year old as a big boy - what joy for a teen. He will love it and love you for this great gift as I did my Father. Regards. Nanhi camp: Thornhill, Ontario. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks Brian, Darren, and John for thoughts. Larry, I just think that an SLR might be daunting for a youngster, although I am sometimes inclined to give an older SLR (like an SV with the accessory meter) so that the basics can be learnt while still having quality results. There is little more disappointing for someone starting out than getting crap results, IMO. Still debating! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Sent: Saturday, 2 August 2014 5:17 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Camera for a 13-year old? On 8/1/2014 2:10 AM, John Coyle wrote: Looking to tap the collective wisdom of the list, as I'm a bit out of touch with the equipment area. One of my granddaughters is showing an increasing interest in photography, and is outgrowing the compact digital and the iPad gear she has been using, and will probably be given a new camera for her birthday next month: my question is what would the list recommend in these circumstances? I don't believe an SLR is the right configuration, but perhaps a mirrorless or 4/3 which could also use some of my Pentax lenses would be the go? Cost is also a consideration, as her twin sister will be one of the contributors to buying it for her! TIA John Coyle Brisbane, Australia Don't know how it might fit into your cost considerations, but maybe one of the higher end compact cameras? -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It depends on the child. When I was 12, my mom gave me her Argus C3 (my father bought her a new Kodak Retina IIIc). When I was 13, my grandfather loaned me his Rolleiflex Automat. That was at the start of High School. The following Summer, I took all the money I'd saved over the course of the year and my uncle supplemented it to help me buy a Nikon F. Later that same Summer, I'd saved up another $100 and bought a pair of decrepit Leica II cameras at one of the big camera shops in Manhattan. If you're going to learn to shoot with film, you're going to make some mistakes and get some crap results along the way. It's part of the process of learning. To protect a child from that is a waste of time, and doesn't help them learn. I made many mistakes in those first couple of years and created a bunch of really bad junk. But I learned a whole lot, and by the third year I was shooting semi-professionally on the weekends as a second for a wedding photog. Godfrey On Aug 1, 2014, at 6:50 PM, John Coyle jco...@iinet.net.au wrote: Thanks Brian, Darren, and John for thoughts. Larry, I just think that an SLR might be daunting for a youngster, although I am sometimes inclined to give an older SLR (like an SV with the accessory meter) so that the basics can be learnt while still having quality results. There is little more disappointing for someone starting out than getting crap results, IMO. Still debating! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
