RE: Front Element Protection (was: Dropped K200D)

2009-09-11 Thread John Sessoms

From: eckinator

Is there such a thing as a final verdict on UV vs Skylight vs
'Protection' (whatever those are - do they block overprotective rays?)
Filters?
I need to buy one for my 16-50 seeing the time I spend in sandboxes
with my camera these days... a blower wont do the trick for me all the
time.
Thanks
Ecke


I don't think it matters all that much what type of filter you use.

The idea is if you're going to be out in the wilds with your camera, you 
scratch up a $50 filter instead of a $700 lens.


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Front Element Protection (was: Dropped K200D)

2009-09-09 Thread eckinator
Is there such a thing as a final verdict on UV vs Skylight vs
'Protection' (whatever those are - do they block overprotective rays?)
Filters?
I need to buy one for my 16-50 seeing the time I spend in sandboxes
with my camera these days... a blower wont do the trick for me all the
time.
Thanks
Ecke

2009/9/9 Larry Levy larryl...@sprintmail.com:
 I come from the capital K Klutz school of carefulness. Starting with the
 10D, I've been putting Giottos Aegis screens on the LCDs. It's a lot cheaper
 to replace if (when) something goes wrong.

 I'm also one of those who typically puts a UV filter in front of the lens.
 When I dropped my camera bag in an airport, the only damage was some
 cross-threading in the lens (which Eric fixed for me) and the replacement of
 the filter (which had given itself up to save the lens).

 Larry in Dallas

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Re: Front Element Protection (was: Dropped K200D)

2009-09-09 Thread Anthony Farr
AFAIK, normal glass is opaque to UV rays.  You need flourite lenses
to photograph in the UV spectrum, while much of what is known as UV
photography is actually flourescence photography.  I don't know what
the transmission characteristics of ED glass is.

Which means that UV filters won't contribute to elimination of UV
light from your shots, because none is getting through your lens
anyway.  OTOH, they usually remove a little of the barely visible near
UV, so will trim some excessive blueness from overcast or open shadow
light when you're using film and can't adjust white balance per shot.
Skylight filters just cut a little into visible blue wavelengths while
UV filters only cut invisible blue wavelengths, but not enough to
matter when you can tweak the WB instead.

Which raises another matter.  FIlm was oversensitized to UV so
vulnerable to shifts in that direction.  Digital sensors, especially
CCDs, are oversensitized to IR but are usually protected by hot
filters (more or less effectively from one camera model to another).
They are relatively insensitive to UV light.

Which leaves protection as the only real motive for using a UV filter.
 I live on the coast, and feel better about cleaning dried salt off a
filter than off a lens.

regards, Anthony

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to those who lack in mind and sight
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2009/9/9 eckinator eckina...@gmail.com:
 Is there such a thing as a final verdict on UV vs Skylight vs
 'Protection' (whatever those are - do they block overprotective rays?)
 Filters?
 I need to buy one for my 16-50 seeing the time I spend in sandboxes
 with my camera these days... a blower wont do the trick for me all the
 time.
 Thanks
 Ecke

 2009/9/9 Larry Levy larryl...@sprintmail.com:
 I come from the capital K Klutz school of carefulness. Starting with the
 10D, I've been putting Giottos Aegis screens on the LCDs. It's a lot cheaper
 to replace if (when) something goes wrong.

 I'm also one of those who typically puts a UV filter in front of the lens.
 When I dropped my camera bag in an airport, the only damage was some
 cross-threading in the lens (which Eric fixed for me) and the replacement of
 the filter (which had given itself up to save the lens).

 Larry in Dallas

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Re: Front Element Protection (was: Dropped K200D)

2009-09-09 Thread Thibouille
Anthony's answer is clear IMO although I will just add the following:

Filters are nice but a bad or medium quality filter risks to get you
only into constant image quality problems such as reflections you
wouldn't get otherwise. I'd suggest buying good ones like Pentax SMC
filters, High grade Hoya, B+W or comparable ones.

On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 10:06 AM, eckinatoreckina...@gmail.com wrote:
 Is there such a thing as a final verdict on UV vs Skylight vs
 'Protection' (whatever those are - do they block overprotective rays?)
 Filters?
 I need to buy one for my 16-50 seeing the time I spend in sandboxes
 with my camera these days... a blower wont do the trick for me all the
 time.
 Thanks
 Ecke

 2009/9/9 Larry Levy larryl...@sprintmail.com:
 I come from the capital K Klutz school of carefulness. Starting with the
 10D, I've been putting Giottos Aegis screens on the LCDs. It's a lot cheaper
 to replace if (when) something goes wrong.

 I'm also one of those who typically puts a UV filter in front of the lens.
 When I dropped my camera bag in an airport, the only damage was some
 cross-threading in the lens (which Eric fixed for me) and the replacement of
 the filter (which had given itself up to save the lens).

 Larry in Dallas

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RE: Front Element Protection (was: Dropped K200D)

2009-09-09 Thread J.C. O'Connell
From what I recall, the Pentax SMC coatings fitlered UV considerably but
old single
coated or uncoated lenses passed much more UV spectrum and benefitted
from using
UV filters more than SMC lenses for high UV conditions.

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AFAIK, normal glass is opaque to UV rays.  You need flourite lenses to
photograph in the UV spectrum, while much of what is known as UV
photography is actually flourescence photography.  I don't know what the
transmission characteristics of ED glass is.

Which means that UV filters won't contribute to elimination of UV light
from your shots, because none is getting through your lens anyway.
OTOH, they usually remove a little of the barely visible near UV, so
will trim some excessive blueness from overcast or open shadow light
when you're using film and can't adjust white balance per shot. Skylight
filters just cut a little into visible blue wavelengths while UV filters
only cut invisible blue wavelengths, but not enough to matter when you
can tweak the WB instead.

Which raises another matter.  FIlm was oversensitized to UV so
vulnerable to shifts in that direction.  Digital sensors, especially
CCDs, are oversensitized to IR but are usually protected by hot
filters (more or less effectively from one camera model to another).
They are relatively insensitive to UV light.

Which leaves protection as the only real motive for using a UV filter.
I live on the coast, and feel better about cleaning dried salt off a
filter than off a lens.

regards, Anthony

   Of what use is lens and light
to those who lack in mind and sight
   (Anon)



2009/9/9 eckinator eckina...@gmail.com:
 Is there such a thing as a final verdict on UV vs Skylight vs 
 'Protection' (whatever those are - do they block overprotective rays?)

 Filters? I need to buy one for my 16-50 seeing the time I spend in 
 sandboxes with my camera these days... a blower wont do the trick for 
 me all the time.
 Thanks
 Ecke

 2009/9/9 Larry Levy larryl...@sprintmail.com:
 I come from the capital K Klutz school of carefulness. Starting with 
 the 10D, I've been putting Giottos Aegis screens on the LCDs. It's a 
 lot cheaper to replace if (when) something goes wrong.

 I'm also one of those who typically puts a UV filter in front of the 
 lens. When I dropped my camera bag in an airport, the only damage was

 some cross-threading in the lens (which Eric fixed for me) and the 
 replacement of the filter (which had given itself up to save the 
 lens).

 Larry in Dallas

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Re: Front Element Protection (was: Dropped K200D)

2009-09-09 Thread Leon Altoff
Hi Ecke,

I have transparent lens caps (AKA UV Filters) on all my lenses.  As
with all lens caps they can be taken off when necessary to improve
your picture, but are far cheaper to replace than a front element of a
60-250 or 12-24 lens, and I tend to take pictures in some really silly
places at times.

It's worth the money to buy a good quality one, though I have had a
couple of Hoya filters show markings possibly due to salt spray -
though I can't be sure.  I'd got for Pentax or BW if they are
available near you - I'm going to order from BH from now on as Pentax
and BW filters are near impossible to get in Australia.

Leon

2009/9/9 eckinator eckina...@gmail.com:
 Is there such a thing as a final verdict on UV vs Skylight vs
 'Protection' (whatever those are - do they block overprotective rays?)
 Filters?
 I need to buy one for my 16-50 seeing the time I spend in sandboxes
 with my camera these days... a blower wont do the trick for me all the
 time.
 Thanks
 Ecke


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Re: Front Element Protection (was: Dropped K200D)

2009-09-09 Thread eckinator
Thanks all =)
I have a Hoya Pro 1 Digital Slim UV on my 18-250 which is a huge pain
to clean on the road as it tends to smear. I usually put it in my
eyeglass cleaning shaker at home for OK results or stop by an optician
and have them run it through their ultrasonic cleaner; most do it as a
courtesy. So obviously I don't want another one of those even though I
like the idea of cross funding Pentax by buying Hoya. I heard good
things about B+W and Heliopan, I didn't even know there were Pentax
filters and I recall reading here that Rodenstock is relabeled
Heliopan. I want to buy a good one because of IQ, but my priority is
on ease of cleaning... dang, I should have said that right away.
Recommendations anyone?
Thanks in advance
Ecke

2009/9/9 Leon Altoff leon.alt...@gmail.com:
 Hi Ecke,

 I have transparent lens caps (AKA UV Filters) on all my lenses.  As
 with all lens caps they can be taken off when necessary to improve
 your picture, but are far cheaper to replace than a front element of a
 60-250 or 12-24 lens, and I tend to take pictures in some really silly
 places at times.

 It's worth the money to buy a good quality one, though I have had a
 couple of Hoya filters show markings possibly due to salt spray -
 though I can't be sure.  I'd got for Pentax or BW if they are
 available near you - I'm going to order from BH from now on as Pentax
 and BW filters are near impossible to get in Australia.

 Leon

 2009/9/9 eckinator eckina...@gmail.com:
 Is there such a thing as a final verdict on UV vs Skylight vs
 'Protection' (whatever those are - do they block overprotective rays?)
 Filters?
 I need to buy one for my 16-50 seeing the time I spend in sandboxes
 with my camera these days... a blower wont do the trick for me all the
 time.
 Thanks
 Ecke


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Re: Front Element Protection (was: Dropped K200D)

2009-09-09 Thread Mark Roberts
eckinator wrote:

Is there such a thing as a final verdict on UV vs Skylight vs
'Protection' (whatever those are - do they block overprotective rays?)
Filters?
I need to buy one for my 16-50 seeing the time I spend in sandboxes
with my camera these days... a blower wont do the trick for me all the
time.

I almost never use protective filters on any of my lenses. I have
Pentax SMC filters for my larger lenses (16-50/2.8, 28-70/2.8 and
80-200/2.8) but I use them only on rare occasions when I know I'm
going to be in adverse environmental conditions for an extended
period.


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RE: Front Element Protection (was: Dropped K200D)

2009-09-09 Thread Desjardins, Steve
I spray all of my lenses with Rhino Coat and then take pictures with a PS.

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eckinator wrote:

Is there such a thing as a final verdict on UV vs Skylight vs
'Protection' (whatever those are - do they block overprotective rays?)
Filters?
I need to buy one for my 16-50 seeing the time I spend in sandboxes
with my camera these days... a blower wont do the trick for me all the
time.

I almost never use protective filters on any of my lenses. I have
Pentax SMC filters for my larger lenses (16-50/2.8, 28-70/2.8 and
80-200/2.8) but I use them only on rare occasions when I know I'm
going to be in adverse environmental conditions for an extended
period.


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Re: Front Element Protection (was: Dropped K200D)

2009-09-09 Thread eckinator
Do you also use film compartment air fresheners with New Car Scent (TM)?

2009/9/9 Desjardins, Steve desjard...@wlu.edu:
 I spray all of my lenses with Rhino Coat and then take pictures with a PS.

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 Roberts
 Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 9:10 AM
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 Subject: Re: Front Element Protection (was: Dropped K200D)

 eckinator wrote:

Is there such a thing as a final verdict on UV vs Skylight vs
'Protection' (whatever those are - do they block overprotective rays?)
Filters?
I need to buy one for my 16-50 seeing the time I spend in sandboxes
with my camera these days... a blower wont do the trick for me all the
time.

 I almost never use protective filters on any of my lenses. I have
 Pentax SMC filters for my larger lenses (16-50/2.8, 28-70/2.8 and
 80-200/2.8) but I use them only on rare occasions when I know I'm
 going to be in adverse environmental conditions for an extended
 period.


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Re: Front Element Protection (was: Dropped K200D)

2009-09-09 Thread Jim King

eckinator wrote on Wed, 09 Sep 2009 05:57:25 -0700:

(snip)
I want to buy a good one because of IQ, but my priority is
on ease of cleaning... dang, I should have said that right away.
Recommendations anyone?

In my experience, the B+W MRC filters are a lot easier to clean than  
the Hoya HMC filters.  hey are a little mare expensive, however.


Regards, Jim

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Re: Front Element Protection (was: Dropped K200D)

2009-09-09 Thread Larry Levy
I haven't seen Pentax filters in years. With the Hoya acquisition, I doubt 
if I'll see them again.


Hoya itself makes a full range of filters. When I was last buying them, the 
top of their line was Pro 1 Digital. During my  research, I disccovered that 
these were the same as the Kenko Pro 1 Digital filters. The Kenko brand were 
available from Asia at about half the BH price of the Hoya versions.


Larry in Dallas 



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Re: Front Element Protection (was: Dropped K200D)

2009-09-09 Thread Sasha Sobol
There is such a nice thing as Marumi protective filter.
It is a piece of high quality multicoated glass.
Cheaper than uv.

--Sasha

On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Larry Levylarryl...@sprintmail.com wrote:
 I haven't seen Pentax filters in years. With the Hoya acquisition, I doubt
 if I'll see them again.

 Hoya itself makes a full range of filters. When I was last buying them, the
 top of their line was Pro 1 Digital. During my  research, I disccovered that
 these were the same as the Kenko Pro 1 Digital filters. The Kenko brand were
 available from Asia at about half the BH price of the Hoya versions.

 Larry in Dallas

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Re: Dropped K200D

2009-09-09 Thread gldnbearz
Hi Larry-

Thanks for the info on the Giottos LCD screen.  My *istDs has a
plastic LCD peel-on/peel-off protector.  It's never been dropped like
this (knock on wood).  The K200D didn't have a protector, but the lens
did have a UV filter.  Hoping that did some good.

- Pat

On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Larry Levy larryl...@sprintmail.com wrote:
 I come from the capital K Klutz school of carefulness. Starting with the
 10D, I've been putting Giottos Aegis screens on the LCDs. It's a lot cheaper
 to replace if (when) something goes wrong.

 I'm also one of those who typically puts a UV filter in front of the lens.
 When I dropped my camera bag in an airport, the only damage was some
 cross-threading in the lens (which Eric fixed for me) and the replacement of
 the filter (which had given itself up to save the lens).

 Larry in Dallas

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Re: Front Element Protection (was: Dropped K200D)

2009-09-09 Thread P. J. Alling
The verdict is that you should never add an additional element, to your 
already complex highly engendered lenses unless absolutely necessary.  
That said any glass will help subtract some UV.  (I don't remember how 
much, or what wavelength).  Use a mulitcoated filter, and one that 
doesn't add any color cast unless you want a special effect, so a 
multicoated, plain glass filter is best.


eckinator wrote:

Is there such a thing as a final verdict on UV vs Skylight vs
'Protection' (whatever those are - do they block overprotective rays?)
Filters?
I need to buy one for my 16-50 seeing the time I spend in sandboxes
with my camera these days... a blower wont do the trick for me all the
time.
Thanks
Ecke

2009/9/9 Larry Levy larryl...@sprintmail.com:
  

I come from the capital K Klutz school of carefulness. Starting with the
10D, I've been putting Giottos Aegis screens on the LCDs. It's a lot cheaper
to replace if (when) something goes wrong.

I'm also one of those who typically puts a UV filter in front of the lens.
When I dropped my camera bag in an airport, the only damage was some
cross-threading in the lens (which Eric fixed for me) and the replacement of
the filter (which had given itself up to save the lens).

Larry in Dallas

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Re: Dropped K200D

2009-09-08 Thread eckinator
Go to any good HiFi shop and buy a CD repair kit, probably much cheaper to boot!
Cheers
Ecke

2009/9/8 Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com:
 Bad news!  I paid Pentax $200+ to replace the scratched LCD on my
 K10D.  I should have just waited for the next new camera.  The
 scratches were intense, the results of an exposed screw head in my
 roll on baggage.  The fix sounded like major dis-assembly.  I'd be
 searching the internet for screen polisher...
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 12:55 AM, gldnbearzgldnbearz.p...@gmail.com wrote:
 grumble, grumble

 Was out on a camping trip this weekend in the red clay dust of
 Northern California.  K200D + FA 24-90 were innocently sitting on a
 picnic table with the shoulder strap dangling over the edge.  While
 sitting down, foot catches strap and sends camera crashing lens first
 into the red clay.  After some astonished staring, I picked up the
 camera - covered in red dust.  After a wipe off with damp towel, all
 seems to be in working order.  However, there is now red clay embedded
 in the nylon strap and the notches on the program dial on the left.
 Plus scratches galore on my rear LCD!!! grrr

 Lesson learned - don't leave pot handles or camera straps dangling
 over the edge.

 - Pat

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Re: Dropped K200D

2009-09-08 Thread Bob Sullivan
Bad news!  I paid Pentax $200+ to replace the scratched LCD on my
K10D.  I should have just waited for the next new camera.  The
scratches were intense, the results of an exposed screw head in my
roll on baggage.  The fix sounded like major dis-assembly.  I'd be
searching the internet for screen polisher...
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 12:55 AM, gldnbearzgldnbearz.p...@gmail.com wrote:
 grumble, grumble

 Was out on a camping trip this weekend in the red clay dust of
 Northern California.  K200D + FA 24-90 were innocently sitting on a
 picnic table with the shoulder strap dangling over the edge.  While
 sitting down, foot catches strap and sends camera crashing lens first
 into the red clay.  After some astonished staring, I picked up the
 camera - covered in red dust.  After a wipe off with damp towel, all
 seems to be in working order.  However, there is now red clay embedded
 in the nylon strap and the notches on the program dial on the left.
 Plus scratches galore on my rear LCD!!! grrr

 Lesson learned - don't leave pot handles or camera straps dangling
 over the edge.

 - Pat

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Re: Dropped K200D

2009-09-08 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 9/7/2009 10:55:18 P.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
gldnbearz.p...@gmail.com writes:
grumble,  grumble

Was out on a camping trip this weekend in the red clay dust  of
Northern California.  K200D + FA 24-90 were innocently sitting on  a
picnic table with the shoulder strap dangling over the edge.   While
sitting down, foot catches strap and sends camera crashing lens  first
into the red clay.  After some astonished staring, I picked up  the
camera - covered in red dust.  After a wipe off with damp towel,  all
seems to be in working order.  However, there is now red clay  embedded
in the nylon strap and the notches on the program dial on the  left.
Plus scratches galore on my rear LCD!!! grrr

Lesson  learned - don't leave pot handles or camera straps dangling
over the  edge.

- Pat


For strap you might try a nylon  bristle brush, dry. Not wet. Nylon doesn't 
scratch if you aren't too vigorous.  For notches I'd try a q-tip or even a 
toothpick, gently.

Dropping a  camera is always a bummer, at least it wasn't hurt.

HTH, Marnie aka  Doe

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created them. Albert  Einstein  


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Re: Dropped K200D

2009-09-08 Thread Eactivist
Or even a dry soft toothbrush for  both.

Marnie ;-)   After fixing up condo I know how to clean  ALL kinds of things.

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Re: Dropped K200D

2009-09-08 Thread Bob Sullivan
That's an excellent suggestion I've never tried.  Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 10:05 AM, eckinatoreckina...@gmail.com wrote:
 Go to any good HiFi shop and buy a CD repair kit, probably much cheaper to 
 boot!
 Cheers
 Ecke

 2009/9/8 Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com:
 Bad news!  I paid Pentax $200+ to replace the scratched LCD on my
 K10D.  I should have just waited for the next new camera.  The
 scratches were intense, the results of an exposed screw head in my
 roll on baggage.  The fix sounded like major dis-assembly.  I'd be
 searching the internet for screen polisher...
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 12:55 AM, gldnbearzgldnbearz.p...@gmail.com wrote:
 grumble, grumble

 Was out on a camping trip this weekend in the red clay dust of
 Northern California.  K200D + FA 24-90 were innocently sitting on a
 picnic table with the shoulder strap dangling over the edge.  While
 sitting down, foot catches strap and sends camera crashing lens first
 into the red clay.  After some astonished staring, I picked up the
 camera - covered in red dust.  After a wipe off with damp towel, all
 seems to be in working order.  However, there is now red clay embedded
 in the nylon strap and the notches on the program dial on the left.
 Plus scratches galore on my rear LCD!!! grrr

 Lesson learned - don't leave pot handles or camera straps dangling
 over the edge.

 - Pat

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Re: Dropped K200D

2009-09-08 Thread gldnbearz
I have a toothbrush lying around.  I'll give it a try.  Thanks for the
suggestion.

On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 11:37 AM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
 Or even a dry soft toothbrush for  both.

 Marnie ;-)   After fixing up condo I know how to clean  ALL kinds of things.

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 created  them. Albert Einstein

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Re: Dropped K200D

2009-09-08 Thread Larry Levy
I come from the capital K Klutz school of carefulness. Starting with the 
10D, I've been putting Giottos Aegis screens on the LCDs. It's a lot cheaper 
to replace if (when) something goes wrong.


I'm also one of those who typically puts a UV filter in front of the lens. 
When I dropped my camera bag in an airport, the only damage was some 
cross-threading in the lens (which Eric fixed for me) and the replacement of 
the filter (which had given itself up to save the lens).


Larry in Dallas 



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Re: Dropped K200D

2009-09-08 Thread Christine Aguila
Sorry to hear of the K200 drop, but glad things seem to be working!  Cheers, 
Christine



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grumble, grumble

Was out on a camping trip this weekend in the red clay dust of
Northern California.  K200D + FA 24-90 were innocently sitting on a
picnic table with the shoulder strap dangling over the edge.  While
sitting down, foot catches strap and sends camera crashing lens first
into the red clay.  After some astonished staring, I picked up the
camera - covered in red dust.  After a wipe off with damp towel, all
seems to be in working order.  However, there is now red clay embedded
in the nylon strap and the notches on the program dial on the left.
Plus scratches galore on my rear LCD!!! grrr

Lesson learned - don't leave pot handles or camera straps dangling
over the edge.

- Pat

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Dropped K200D

2009-09-07 Thread gldnbearz
grumble, grumble

Was out on a camping trip this weekend in the red clay dust of
Northern California.  K200D + FA 24-90 were innocently sitting on a
picnic table with the shoulder strap dangling over the edge.  While
sitting down, foot catches strap and sends camera crashing lens first
into the red clay.  After some astonished staring, I picked up the
camera - covered in red dust.  After a wipe off with damp towel, all
seems to be in working order.  However, there is now red clay embedded
in the nylon strap and the notches on the program dial on the left.
Plus scratches galore on my rear LCD!!! grrr

Lesson learned - don't leave pot handles or camera straps dangling
over the edge.

- Pat

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