Re: Enablement! + film camera pricing.
Despite the alleged demise of MF prices, some things still do go for silly prices. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2962301044category=468 8rd=1 Yes it is a rare lens, and apparently a good performer, but $238 is a lot of money. Peter - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 9:01 PM Subject: Re: Enablement! + film camera pricing. Malcolm Smith wrote: Whatever the impact of digital, film cameras seem to have retained their value, judging from adverts and the eBay auctions I've often followed with more than a passing interest. It's only a matter of time... m Well, it's sure taking it's time. ;-) I keep hoping to pick up some stuff cheap. Wonder *when* they will drop? Marnie aka Doe You'd think they would someday.
Re: Enablement! + film camera pricing.
Not IMO ... it's a rare lens AND a great performer. Worth every penny! Peter Jordan wrote: Despite the alleged demise of MF prices, some things still do go for silly prices. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2962301044 -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Le migliori promozioni sui Bonsai? Le trovi su Artefiori, il Portale del Verde! Clicca qui: Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=546d=10-11
Re: Enablement! + film camera pricing.
KEH had one for over $400 sometime in the last year. When I was watching them they seemed to go close to 300 on ebay. I'm just glad I managed to pick mine up for less than that. William in Utah. - Original Message - From: Peter Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 10:21 AM Subject: Re: Enablement! + film camera pricing. Despite the alleged demise of MF prices, some things still do go for silly prices. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2962301044category=468 8rd=1 Yes it is a rare lens, and apparently a good performer, but $238 is a lot of money. Peter - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 9:01 PM Subject: Re: Enablement! + film camera pricing. Malcolm Smith wrote: Whatever the impact of digital, film cameras seem to have retained their value, judging from adverts and the eBay auctions I've often followed with more than a passing interest. It's only a matter of time... m Well, it's sure taking it's time. ;-) I keep hoping to pick up some stuff cheap. Wonder *when* they will drop? Marnie aka Doe You'd think they would someday.
Re: Enablement! + film camera pricing.
Whatever the impact of digital, film cameras seem to have retained their value, judging from adverts and the eBay auctions I've often followed with more than a passing interest. Seems to depend on category. Pro cameras lose value horribly because they are no longer feature-current (plus a lot of them get banged up pretty good). I bought my first F4 new for $2000 from a local camera store in '95 and my second used for $700 from KEH in '02. On the other hand, I was thinking of picking up a K1000 and saw some prices at KEH that were a lot higher than I was willing to contemplate. Nikon FE2/FM2 cameras can cost more now than they did new. These are cameras with great reputations in their user community. Very little else can justify their used cost, except perhaps build quality. (If build quality really counts with buyers, it's odd that only Nikon makes an old fashioned camera anymore. Sure, you can get well-built cameras from most companies, but they are the top-of-the-line models which the K1000 and FM2 were NOT in their day. I'd love to see a Pentax FA limited CAMERA to mount those lenses on!) Collectability clearly comes into the picture since the price difference between decent cosmetic quality and great cosmetic quality is quite substantial. Black models of chrome-standard bodies cost a lot more, presumably because they take better pictures... (Actually, it might be argued that black models take better pictures along the same lines as the old miniatures wargaming dictum painted figures fight better) Still, if film were about to die I'd expect KEH would refuse to buy film cameras, or at least only buy the rare ones and ones in collector condition. They aren't PAYING much for other stuff, but that's presumably because the used market is pretty glutted. DJE
Re: Enablement! + film camera pricing.
Locall, one major film camera retailer pretty much only sells film cameras to bw students. Almost everyone else gets digital From $1000 to $2000, the nice solutions are really hot. And this Christmas they're going to get even hotter. Collin snip Still, if film were about to die I'd expect KEH would refuse to buy film cameras, or at least only buy the rare ones and ones in collector condition. They aren't PAYING much for other stuff, but that's presumably because the used market is pretty glutted. DJE
RE: Enablement! + film camera pricing.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whatever the impact of digital, film cameras seem to have retained their value, judging from adverts and the eBay auctions I've often followed with more than a passing interest. Seems to depend on category. Pro cameras lose value horribly because they are no longer feature-current (plus a lot of them get banged up pretty good). I bought my first F4 new for $2000 from a local camera store in '95 and my second used for $700 from KEH in '02. If you buy a pro camera new, as a pro it's a working tool and you can depreciate it against the business. If you buy it new as an amateur, chances are you are going to keep it long enough for depreciation not to be an issue. Collectability clearly comes into the picture since the price difference between decent cosmetic quality and great cosmetic quality is quite substantial. Black models of chrome-standard bodies cost a lot more, presumably because they take better pictures... (Actually, it might be argued that black models take better pictures along the same lines as the old miniatures wargaming dictum painted figures fight better) Many collectors like to buy their cameras new, to have the original boxes, bills of sale and advertising leaflets. Still, if film were about to die I'd expect KEH would refuse to buy film cameras, or at least only buy the rare ones and ones in collector condition. They aren't PAYING much for other stuff, but that's presumably because the used market is pretty glutted. True, but then I suppose we will move into the area of specialist camera auctions. Malcolm
Re: Enablement! + film camera pricing.
Hi, frank theriault wrote: Well, converted into Canadian dollars, that's more or less what I paid for mine, bought off a list member. And about half what I paid nearly (gulp) 10 years ago. I am definitely looking for another now. At the prices they are going for, I don't understand why anyone would wnat to either do without or sell. I think the eBay prices will come down. I've started seeing it a bit, but even more interesting than dropping prices, is the amount of stuff on eBay that is going bid-less. People are getting into digital and wanting to dump their film gear without paying a price. Unreasonable starting bids, or unreasonable reseverves are either going to have to drop, or sellers will find no bids for their stuff. Seems to be happening all across ebay. The stuff I am interested in either sells for a reasonable price for the seller or has no bids at all. Oddly, I think eBay is ~not~ the place to find bargains at this time, if for no other reason that sellers (many of whom may not be in touch with the marketplace) think that they should be able to get what they paid for, for their film gear. I've noticed some film gear prices dropping in used shops, though. An ME at Henry's for $125 Canadian, a couple of weeks ago. Nikon F4 bodies for about $900 Cdn. I was just at my repair shop, and saw a 6x7, with the metered prism, wooden grip and 55mm for an asking price of $1100 Cdn. That's not bad... And you can play with it and get some form of guarantee - or at least a Vulcan death grip on the neck of the seller. Patience is needed. It's starting, and prices will continue their downward slide. All these digital wannabe's are going to find that the market won't pay exhorbitant prices for used film stuff. There's just so much of it I feel spoiled for choice 8-))) mike
Re: Enablement! + film camera pricing.
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Collin Brendemuehl wrote: Locall, one major film camera retailer pretty much only sells film cameras to bw students. Almost everyone else gets digital From $1000 to $2000, the nice solutions are really hot. And this Christmas they're going to get even hotter. Collin snip Still, if film were about to die I'd expect KEH would refuse to buy film cameras, or at least only buy the rare ones and ones in collector condition. They aren't PAYING much for other stuff, but that's presumably because the used market is pretty glutted. DJE Nice neighborhood you got there, with the average guy buying a $1000-$2000 camera. I also wonder how many folks buy cameras any given year. Even if EVERY camera sold in 2004 is digital, there will still be a lot of film cameras in use. Most people are probably happy with their cameras and don't see a need to shell out a paltry couple of grand to get some new-fangled digital gadget. I suspect that digital PS cameras sell well to people who are basically non-photographers, just as film PS cameras did. DJE
Re: Enablement! + film camera pricing.
Columbus is a pretty white-collar area. That may be the factor playing out here. But every other time I'm in the store there's a dslr going out. They move a boatload of ps digitals as well. CRB At 19:53 2003.11.04 -0500, you wrote: Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:43:49 -0600 (CST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nice neighborhood you got there, with the average guy buying a $1000-$2000 camera. I also wonder how many folks buy cameras any given year. Even if EVERY camera sold in 2004 is digital, there will still be a lot of film cameras in use. Most people are probably happy with their cameras and don't see a need to shell out a paltry couple of grand to get some new-fangled digital gadget. I suspect that digital PS cameras sell well to people who are basically non-photographers, just as film PS cameras did. DJE
Enablement! + film camera pricing.
mike wilson wrote: Malcolm Smith wrote: There has been some interesting answers to this question! I am surprised at the restraint shown, as I didn't think it was possible (especially a year by Mike Wilson!) ;-) It took me that long to recover from spending so much on a camera. 8-) I know what you mean (!) but I don't think a better deal can be done today. I looked at prices of film cameras and lenses to see if I could get one or two reasonably priced lenses for my 67, under the impression that so many people migrating to digital would cause a price slump. The prices are as good as they were a few years back. I then looked at LX prices and found the same result; prices are as good as they were when I bought mine; if anything I got a better deal on them. Whatever the impact of digital, film cameras seem to have retained their value, judging from adverts and the eBay auctions I've often followed with more than a passing interest. Malcolm
Re: Enablement! + film camera pricing.
Malcolm Smith wrote: Whatever the impact of digital, film cameras seem to have retained their value, judging from adverts and the eBay auctions I've often followed with more than a passing interest. It's only a matter of time... m Well, it's sure taking it's time. ;-) I keep hoping to pick up some stuff cheap. Wonder *when* they will drop? Marnie aka Doe You'd think they would someday.
Re: Enablement! + film camera pricing.
Hi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it's sure taking it's time. ;-) I keep hoping to pick up some stuff cheap. Wonder *when* they will drop? Just a case of looking. There are regular ads for LXs (LX's?) at about or just over the £200 mark in the UK press. They won't be very pretty but they are undoubtledly cheap for what you get. I definitely think that the accessories are cheaper now. What suprises me at the moment is the continuing high cost of Jobo processor parts. mike still working up the nerve to run his first film through the CPE-2.
Re: Enablement! + film camera pricing.
Hi, Mike, Well, converted into Canadian dollars, that's more or less what I paid for mine, bought off a list member. I think the eBay prices will come down. I've started seeing it a bit, but even more interesting than dropping prices, is the amount of stuff on eBay that is going bid-less. People are getting into digital and wanting to dump their film gear without paying a price. Unreasonable starting bids, or unreasonable reseverves are either going to have to drop, or sellers will find no bids for their stuff. Oddly, I think eBay is ~not~ the place to find bargains at this time, if for no other reason that sellers (many of whom may not be in touch with the marketplace) think that they should be able to get what they paid for, for their film gear. I've noticed some film gear prices dropping in used shops, though. An ME at Henry's for $125 Canadian, a couple of weeks ago. Nikon F4 bodies for about $900 Cdn. I was just at my repair shop, and saw a 6x7, with the metered prism, wooden grip and 55mm for an asking price of $1100 Cdn. That's not bad... Patience is needed. It's starting, and prices will continue their downward slide. All these digital wannabe's are going to find that the market won't pay exhorbitant prices for used film stuff. cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just a case of looking. There are regular ads for LXs (LX's?) at about or just over the £200 mark in the UK press. They won't be very pretty but they are undoubtledly cheap for what you get. I definitely think that the accessories are cheaper now. What suprises me at the moment is the continuing high cost of Jobo processor parts. mike still working up the nerve to run his first film through the CPE-2. _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photospgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
