Re: Eneloops again and again
On Aug 8, 2010, at 3:32 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote: The newly recharged Eneloops from this msg last month gave up today after warning me of low battery for 3 days. 18 days. That was their first recharge, so I expect better next time around. I replaced them with new fresh Energizers to establish a baseline, and will see how long they last. IIRC it was also about 2 - 3 weeks. Level is 100% now vs the 61% of the Eneloops when first installed. Keyboard has dropped to 52% from 62% 18 days ago, but I never turn it off. I'm sorry if I'm beginning to sound like Larry! :-) And the problem with that is? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Eneloops again and again
On 8/9/2010 10:03 AM, Larry Colen wrote: On Aug 8, 2010, at 3:32 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote: The newly recharged Eneloops from this msg last month gave up today after warning me of low battery for 3 days. 18 days. That was their first recharge, so I expect better next time around. I replaced them with new fresh Energizers to establish a baseline, and will see how long they last. IIRC it was also about 2 - 3 weeks. Level is 100% now vs the 61% of the Eneloops when first installed. Keyboard has dropped to 52% from 62% 18 days ago, but I never turn it off. I'm sorry if I'm beginning to sound like Larry! :-) And the problem with that is? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est Well, you know -- Here's something to think about: How come you never see a headline like 'Psychic Wins Lottery'? --Jay Leno -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Eneloops again and again
The newly recharged Eneloops from this msg last month gave up today after warning me of low battery for 3 days. 18 days. That was their first recharge, so I expect better next time around. I replaced them with new fresh Energizers to establish a baseline, and will see how long they last. IIRC it was also about 2 - 3 weeks. Level is 100% now vs the 61% of the Eneloops when first installed. Keyboard has dropped to 52% from 62% 18 days ago, but I never turn it off. I'm sorry if I'm beginning to sound like Larry! :-) On Jul 20, 2010, at 10:24 , Joseph McAllister wrote: The 3 year old new uncharged eneloops I installed in my Mighty Mouse gave it up after 5 days yesterday. They started out at 50% power level. Just recharged pair I put in the mouse yesterday show 61% power today (didn't look yesterday after installation). Just FYI. I know you couldn't care less, but I said I's tell you! :-) Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Eneloops again and again
The energizers won't last as long. They're not designed to. But if you put both in a flash and used it continuously until dead, you'd find the energizers (or most any conventional Nimh battery) would recharge the flash faster and deliver more flashes before dying than the eneloops. Leave the flash on your dresser, and the eneloops will outlast the energizers by a wide margin. On Aug 8, 2010, at 6:32 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote: The newly recharged Eneloops from this msg last month gave up today after warning me of low battery for 3 days. 18 days. That was their first recharge, so I expect better next time around. I replaced them with new fresh Energizers to establish a baseline, and will see how long they last. IIRC it was also about 2 - 3 weeks. Level is 100% now vs the 61% of the Eneloops when first installed. Keyboard has dropped to 52% from 62% 18 days ago, but I never turn it off. I'm sorry if I'm beginning to sound like Larry! :-) On Jul 20, 2010, at 10:24 , Joseph McAllister wrote: The 3 year old new uncharged eneloops I installed in my Mighty Mouse gave it up after 5 days yesterday. They started out at 50% power level. Just recharged pair I put in the mouse yesterday show 61% power today (didn't look yesterday after installation). Just FYI. I know you couldn't care less, but I said I's tell you! :-) Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Dunno if thoser readings are indicative of anything at all, my understanding is that some devices simply measure voltage and convert to charge according to a proprietary formula - for example, I have two LED helmet lamps, one a Chinese NiteFox unit, one a Petzl TacTikka XP+ and the Petzl runs several hours on full power with a set of 3 AAA rechargeables discarded by the NiteFox as empty... Ecke 2010/8/8 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com: The newly recharged Eneloops from this msg last month gave up today after warning me of low battery for 3 days. 18 days. That was their first recharge, so I expect better next time around. I replaced them with new fresh Energizers to establish a baseline, and will see how long they last. IIRC it was also about 2 - 3 weeks. Level is 100% now vs the 61% of the Eneloops when first installed. Keyboard has dropped to 52% from 62% 18 days ago, but I never turn it off. I'm sorry if I'm beginning to sound like Larry! :-) On Jul 20, 2010, at 10:24 , Joseph McAllister wrote: The 3 year old new uncharged eneloops I installed in my Mighty Mouse gave it up after 5 days yesterday. They started out at 50% power level. Just recharged pair I put in the mouse yesterday show 61% power today (didn't look yesterday after installation). Just FYI. I know you couldn't care less, but I said I's tell you! :-) Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 12:34 PM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: Dunno if thoser readings are indicative of anything at all, my understanding is that some devices simply measure voltage and convert to charge according to a proprietary formula - for example, I have two LED helmet lamps, one a Chinese NiteFox unit, one a Petzl TacTikka XP+ and the Petzl runs several hours on full power with a set of 3 AAA rechargeables discarded by the NiteFox as empty... Ecke Battery meters run off a voltage reading for batteries not equipped with electronics. Setting the voltage levels that correspond to near-empty and empty is arbitrary and also depends on the draw of the device. Since NiMH's and Lithium disposables have different maximum voltages and discharge curves than the Alkaline AA's which most such meter's are calibrated for there can be some extreme variation in actual vs reported battery charge. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm sorry if I'm beginning to sound like Larry! :-) MARK! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com Subject: Re: Eneloops again and again The newly recharged Eneloops from this msg last month gave up today after warning me of low battery for 3 days. 18 days. That was their first recharge, so I expect better next time around. I replaced them with new fresh Energizers to establish a baseline, and will see how long they last. IIRC it was also about 2 - 3 weeks. Level is 100% now vs the 61% of the Eneloops when first installed. Keyboard has dropped to 52% from 62% 18 days ago, but I never turn it off. I'm sorry if I'm beginning to sound like Larry! :-) On Jul 20, 2010, at 10:24 , Joseph McAllister wrote: The 3 year old new uncharged eneloops I installed in my Mighty Mouse gave it up after 5 days yesterday. They started out at 50% power level. Just recharged pair I put in the mouse yesterday show 61% power today (didn't look yesterday after installation). Just FYI. I know you couldn't care less, but I said I's tell you! :-) Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Eneloops again and again
On 2010-08-08 04:32 , Joseph McAllister wrote: The newly recharged Eneloops from this msg last month gave up today after warning me of low battery for 3 days. 18 days. That was their first recharge, so I expect better next time around. from this datum, the Mighty Mouse must be quite inefficient (perhaps it's the nature of Bluetooth); as i noted before i get months of service from one charge with my Logitech vx Nano (which uses its own wireless system instead of Bluetooth) what's more amazing is that the Mighty Mouse uses two AAs, where the Nano uses two AAAs -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 08/08/2010, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: The energizers won't last as long. They're not designed to. But if you put both in a flash and used it continuously until dead, you'd find the energizers (or most any conventional Nimh battery) would recharge the flash faster and deliver more flashes before dying than the eneloops. Leave the flash on your dresser, and the eneloops will outlast the energizers by a wide margin. The internal resistance of Eneloop AA cells is generally as good as if not a bit better than regular NiMH cells so the recharge rate should be similar though potentially the number of flashes per charge may be lower. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Aug 8, 2010, at 7:42 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: On 08/08/2010, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: The energizers won't last as long. They're not designed to. But if you put both in a flash and used it continuously until dead, you'd find the energizers (or most any conventional Nimh battery) would recharge the flash faster and deliver more flashes before dying than the eneloops. Leave the flash on your dresser, and the eneloops will outlast the energizers by a wide margin. The internal resistance of Eneloop AA cells is generally as good as if not a bit better than regular NiMH cells so the recharge rate should be similar though potentially the number of flashes per charge may be lower. In practice, I've found the recharge time to be longer with the eneloops. However, that being said, I have some excellent NIMH cells that I use with my flashes. They definitely outperform the energizers that I once used, so they may not be typical. I think the brand name is Nuvo, but I'm not sure. (I'd have to go look, and Im feeling a bit under the weather.:-). I got them from a place that deals only in batteries. It's called battery central, a local shop with knowledgable personnel and a wide range of battery choices. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Eneloops again and again
iMac In the menu bar at the top of the screen, Bluetooth displays an icon which, when dropped down, shows the connected Bluetooth devices. Selecting the mouse or the keyboard displays a. that it is connected, b. can be disconnected, c. what the power level is, and d. that it's preferences can be opened from there. Today the eneloops powered mouse show 50% power with the ones I charged a couple of days ago. It is behaving sprightly, indicated by when I awaken the iMac after a sleep when I turn the mouse off, it connects right away when the computer polls for it. Dying batteries take 10 secs to a minute to be found. Keyboard is still at 62%. On Jul 21, 2010, at 00:20 , Boris Liberman wrote: Joseph, could you please tell how do you measure the power level of the batteries. I've a pack of eneloops and a pack of recyko's that I use in my flash. They never gave me any headache except when I almost used them up and forgot to recharge them. But I'd like to look at these measures that you describe myself. Thanks. Boris On 7/20/2010 8:24 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote: The 3 year old new uncharged eneloops I installed in my Mighty Mouse gave it up after 5 days yesterday. They started out at 50% power level. Just recharged pair I put in the mouse yesterday show 61% power today (didn't look yesterday after installation). My keyboard with 4 Costco AA show 62% after 3 months of not being turned off at all. The mouse is shut off overnight, for 8-10 hours. Just FYI. I know you couldn't care less, but I said I's tell you! :-) Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com “ The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.” — Kevan Olesen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Eneloops again and again
On 7/22/2010 9:34 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote: iMac In the menu bar at the top of the screen, Bluetooth displays an icon which, when dropped down, shows the connected Bluetooth devices. Selecting the mouse or the keyboard displays a. that it is connected, b. can be disconnected, c. what the power level is, and d. that it's preferences can be opened from there. Today the eneloops powered mouse show 50% power with the ones I charged a couple of days ago. It is behaving sprightly, indicated by when I awaken the iMac after a sleep when I turn the mouse off, it connects right away when the computer polls for it. Dying batteries take 10 secs to a minute to be found. Keyboard is still at 62%. Oh. Too bad I don't have neither Mac nor wireless kbd or mouse... Well, I will look around for a special device... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Eneloops again and again
Joseph, could you please tell how do you measure the power level of the batteries. I've a pack of eneloops and a pack of recyko's that I use in my flash. They never gave me any headache except when I almost used them up and forgot to recharge them. But I'd like to look at these measures that you describe myself. Thanks. Boris On 7/20/2010 8:24 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote: The 3 year old new uncharged eneloops I installed in my Mighty Mouse gave it up after 5 days yesterday. They started out at 50% power level. Just recharged pair I put in the mouse yesterday show 61% power today (didn't look yesterday after installation). My keyboard with 4 Costco AA show 62% after 3 months of not being turned off at all. The mouse is shut off overnight, for 8-10 hours. Just FYI. I know you couldn't care less, but I said I's tell you! :-) Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Like Merlin, I am backwards in Time. On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Paul Dunderdale dund...@mcb.net wrote: ... and a Tardis? On 20 Jul 2010, at 19:35, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I bought a package deal of 12 Eneloop 2000mah AA, 4 LaCrosse 2600mah AA and 4 LaCross 1000mah AAA batteries with the LaCrosse BC-900 charger in December 2010. Paul http://www.flickr.com/photos/dunders/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Eneloops again and again
Joseph McAllister wrote: The 3 year old new uncharged eneloops I installed in my Mighty Mouse gave it up after 5 days yesterday. They started out at 50% power level. Just recharged pair I put in the mouse yesterday show 61% power today (didn't look yesterday after installation). My keyboard with 4 Costco AA show 62% after 3 months of not being turned off at all. The mouse is shut off overnight, for 8-10 hours. Just FYI. I know you couldn't care less, but I said I's tell you! :-) Pentax UK very kindly gave me 4 AA Eneloops and a charger when I bought the KX. They haven't been used because I was also given a set of disposables and, at about 1500+ exposures, they are still going strong. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Eneloops again and again
The 3 year old new uncharged eneloops I installed in my Mighty Mouse gave it up after 5 days yesterday. They started out at 50% power level. Just recharged pair I put in the mouse yesterday show 61% power today (didn't look yesterday after installation). My keyboard with 4 Costco AA show 62% after 3 months of not being turned off at all. The mouse is shut off overnight, for 8-10 hours. Just FYI. I know you couldn't care less, but I said I's tell you! :-) If it doesn’t excite you, This thing that you see, Why in the world, Would it excite me? —Jay Maisel Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Eneloops again and again
On Jul 20, 2010, at 10:24 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote: The 3 year old new uncharged eneloops I installed in my Mighty Mouse gave it up after 5 days yesterday. They started out at 50% power level. Just recharged pair I put in the mouse yesterday show 61% power today (didn't look yesterday after installation). My keyboard with 4 Costco AA show 62% after 3 months of not being turned off at all. The mouse is shut off overnight, for 8-10 hours. Just FYI. I know you couldn't care less, but I said I's tell you! :-) I've had good luck with the uniross hybrios that I got at Fry's, but they no longer carry. They replaced them with Rayovac hybrids at the same price ($10 for 4) but they don't seem to have quite the capacity. I did pick up a set of eneloops, and they seem to be pretty good. I'd love to see decent third party tests. I've also noticed that they don't seem to hit their stride until a few charge cycles. If it doesn’t excite you, This thing that you see, Why in the world, Would it excite me? —Jay Maisel Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I bought a package deal of 12 Eneloop 2000mah AA, 4 LaCrosse 2600mah AA and 4 LaCross 1000mah AAA batteries with the LaCrosse BC-900 charger in December 2010. Between the new, fresh LaCrosse 2600mah and Eneloop 2000mah AAs, used in my flash units, the Eneloops out-last the LaCrosse by almost 1.5:1 on number of flashes and don't discharge over a month's non-use in the case (the LaCrosse 2600s lose about 40% charge in the same time). That's darn good performance. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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... and a Tardis? On 20 Jul 2010, at 19:35, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I bought a package deal of 12 Eneloop 2000mah AA, 4 LaCrosse 2600mah AA and 4 LaCross 1000mah AAA batteries with the LaCrosse BC-900 charger in December 2010. Paul http://www.flickr.com/photos/dunders/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I believe the Tardis is extra.
On 7/20/2010 5:54 PM, Paul Dunderdale wrote:
... and a Tardis?
On 20 Jul 2010, at 19:35, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
I bought a package deal of 12 Eneloop 2000mah AA, 4 LaCrosse 2600mah
AA and 4 LaCross 1000mah AAA batteries with the LaCrosse BC-900
charger in December 2010.
Paul
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dunders/
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