Re[2]: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-27 Thread Bruce Dayton

Debra,

I had a K mount Tokina RMC 24/2.8 once.  I liked it fine.  It was
metal and very solid like most Tokina lenses I have encountered.  The
optical quality was reasonably good.  As usual, flare is a bigger
issue with it than a Pentax SMC.  Remember that the wider you go, the
more easy it is to get flare.  But for the price, the Tokina was quite
good.  I think I paid $70 dollars for mine a couple of years ago.


Bruce



Friday, April 26, 2002, 10:57:05 PM, you wrote:

DW --- J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I just bought a Tokina RMC 24mm F2.8 in M42 a few
 weeks ago to throw into my Car Trunk kit.
 Excellent
 lens  well worth the $50 paid. This dates from the 
 early 80's I think and all metal...
 JCO
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DW That might be really close to what I was looking at. 
DW Do you think the k-mount version would be much
DW different?

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Re: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread Sas Gabor

Hi,

On 25 Apr 2002 at 21:23, Debra Wilborn wrote:
 Just a quick question.  What is your prefered wide
 angle lens?  I have been thinking about getting a
 third party lens, probably around 24mm, and wanted
 some feedback from the group.

SMC Pentax-A 2.8/24
24mm is one of my most used focal lengths. I've also tried 
the Tamron (Adaptall2) 2.5/24 and the Vivitar 2/24. All of them
are good lenses, but the Pentax's coating and handling is
much better than the other two.

Other wideangles I use:
Tokina 3.5/17 SL
Cosinon-W 2/28
SMC Pentax-M 2/35


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Re: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread Flavio Minelli

Stan Halpin wrote:
 
 ...
 
 As to field-of-view, 24mm (or 35mm on the 645) seems about right to me for a
 wide angle. 20mm is too extreme (hey, you fisheye guys, don't laugh!) and
 28mm seems kinda blah.
 ...

I had a SMCA 28/2.8 and a Vivitar 19/3.8 for a long time. Being the
Vivitar what it is (not so good, really) I used mainly the 28. This
until I got a SMCK 24/2.8, now I think I'm addicted. 28mm FOV seems to
generate in me about the same reaction it does in Stan...blah. I think
I could get rid of it as it haven't seen daylight in a long time.

24mm rules!

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RE: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread J. C. O'Connell

Lets see,
Althought the SMCT 15mm is the coolest,
I've got plenty of wide angle action:

35mm Format:

Screwmounts

15mm 3.5 SMCT -AWESOME BABY
17mm 4 SMCT Fisheye
20mm 4.5 SMCT
21mm 4 Mamiya SX BEATS THE 20mm PENTAX SMCT
24mm 3.5 SMCT
28mm 3.5 SMCT
28mm 1.9 Vivitar Series 1 VERY NICE
35mm 2.0 SMCT (yellowed a bit)
35mm 2.0 Super Tak ( 67mm filter) BEST 35mm
35mm 3.5 SMCT
28-85mm 4.0 Tokina RMC FANTASTIC for a zoom
45-125mm 4.0 SMCT GREAT ZOOM

Kmounts

24mm 2.8 Sigma
28mm 3.5 M
28-50mm M
45-125mm SMCP GREAT ZOOM

6X7 Format:

45mm 4.0 SMCP EXCELLENTE
55mm 3.5 SMCT
75mm 4.5 SMCT
90mm 2.8 SMCT LS

4X5 Format

135mm I Forget the brand

Hm,
only 21 to choose from.
That 15mm SMCT still takes the cake.
The 45mm for 67 is a close second though.
I need a 75mm for my speed graphic, especially
as I'm getting a scanner than can cover it.
JCO
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Re: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread Fred

 As to field-of-view, 24mm (or 35mm on the 645) seems about right
 to me for a wide angle. 20mm is too extreme (hey, you fisheye
 guys, don't laugh!) and 28mm seems kinda blah.

Obviously this is a very personal thing, but I prefer 20mm for an
all-around wide-angle focal length.  I also find 28mm sometimes a
bit blah (as in not really all that wide), but I also find that
24mm, while different, is not overly different.  On the other hand,
it seems to me that 15mm is too extreme for a lot of wide-angle
shooting (it's mostly for very specialized images) (and the 15/3.5
is too big to carry around just in case anyway), so (for me) 20mm
is the sweet spot for most wide-angle situations.  But, as I said,
this is a very personal thing.

Fred
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Re: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread Fred

 Just a quick question. What is your prefered wide angle lens? I
 have been thinking about getting a third party lens, probably
 around 24mm, and wanted some feedback from the group.

My choice for preferred (i.e., my most used) w/a is the A 20/2.8.
It's compact, sharp, has great contrast, never vignettes with
filters, and I do like 20mm for an all-around w/a focal length.

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Re: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread wendy beard

At 01:47 26-4-2002 -0400, you wrote:
From: Debra Wilborn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Favorite wide lens?

Just a quick question.  What is your prefered wide
angle lens?  I have been thinking about getting a
third party lens, probably around 24mm, and wanted
some feedback from the group.

Buenos noches,
Deb

My favourite is the Pentax-M 20mm. I don't tend to use the 24-28-35 lenses 
I have/had. I either use the 20mm or the Tamron SP 17mm f3.5 but the first 
one is my favourite.

Wendy

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Re: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread Mishka

I have a russian Mir MK-47 20mm/2.5 and SMCA 24/2.8
Between them, the second one is my clear choice (although for more than
twice the money). It's a bit longer and a bit slower (or, maybe not,
2.5 is not necessarily 2.5 really). But it's a lot more compact,
has half the weight, and there's simply no comparison in the build
quality. Still, I was quite happy with the 20mm, until I got the 24mm.
I am thinking of selling the russian one, since it has been collecting
dust on my shelf for almost half a year already.
  

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Re: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread Pål Audun Jensen

Fa 31/1.8 Limited
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Re: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread Jeff

Wow, what a range for WA's. 17 to 31mm.
I never owned anything wider than a 28mm, but after seeing what a 35mm 645
(equivalent to 23mm) can do, I feel that anything in the 20 to 24mm would be
more interesting than the 28mm view.

Jeff

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Re: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Flavio Minelli wrote:
This until I got a SMCK 24/2.8, now I think I'm addicted. 28mm FOV seems to 
generate in me about the same reaction it does in Stan...blah. ... 24mm rules! 

Indeed, when they were introduced, the 24s were snapped up by professionals because 
every serious amateur had acquired a 28mm lens and the pros needed something to let 
their prints look different.

It's also interesting how many photojournalists, in the days of primes, seemed to use 
a 24 as their wide-angle lens. With its expansive field of view, it allowed them to be 
in the thick of action and shoot away when there was neither time nor room to pull 
back. 

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RE: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread Rob Studdert

On 26 Apr 2002 at 3:42, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

 15MM F3.5 SMC TAKUMAR. W I D E  !!!
 SHARP, CONTRASTY, FLARE RESISTANT.
 NOBODY DOES IT BETTER.

Apparently the new Leica R 15f2.8 ASPH is the new bench-mark for the FL

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Re: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread Rob Studdert

On 26 Apr 2002 at 8:36, Bob Walkden wrote:

 Putting it in context, I also have very good 21/2.8 and 28/2.8 lenses,
 and have previously also had Pentax A 20/2.8, A 24/2.8 and K 28/2 lenses,
 all of which I liked. But although they are useful and good to have, none
 of them has the overall versatility of the 35mm.

Har,

But you haven't owned the 31mm LTD yet :-)

Seriously (and I've probably said this before) when I was shooting Contax a lot 
had a decent selection of glass but by far my most used lenses were the f1.4 35 
and 85 pair, they just seem to be a perfect pair on the Contax bodies.

I also shot around 90% of my images during my last inter-continental trip using 
my Leica M35f1.4 ASPH and only had the need to go wide on a few occasions.

Cheers,

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Re: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread Fred

 15MM F3.5 SMC TAKUMAR. W I D E  !!!
 SHARP, CONTRASTY, FLARE RESISTANT.
 NOBODY DOES IT BETTER.

I have an optically identical A 15/3.5, and I have to agree with
your summary of its superb qualities, JCO.  However, it still loses
out (along with the A 16/2.8 Fisheye) to my A 20/2.8 for preferred
wide angle lens.  Both the 15/3.5 and (especially) the 16/2.8 are
very specialized lenses, made for very specialized images - images
that the 20/2.8 can't handle.  However, most of my own wide angle
shooting doesn't usually need something ~that~ wide, and the 20/2.8
serves nicely as the proper tool most of the time.  Furthermore, the
bulky (especially the 15/3.5) and rather dear super wide angles
simply don't get carried around very often - they are usually
sitting at home unless I know ahead of time that they would be
useful - while the compact 20/2.8 is almost as portable as a 50mm
normal lens (well, except for the flaring filter flange - g), and
has seen a lot of miles.

But the 15/3.5 is a gem, though, isn't it...  ;-)

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Re: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread Fred

 As to field-of-view, 24mm (or 35mm on the 645) seems about right
 to me for a wide angle. 20mm is too extreme (hey, you fisheye
 guys, don't laugh!) and 28mm seems kinda blah.

 Obviously this is a very personal thing, but I prefer 20mm for an
 all-around wide-angle focal length.  I also find 28mm sometimes a
 bit blah (as in not really all that wide), but I also find that
 24mm, while different, is not overly different.  On the other hand,
 it seems to me that 15mm is too extreme for a lot of wide-angle
 shooting (it's mostly for very specialized images) (and the 15/3.5
 is too big to carry around just in case anyway), so (for me) 20mm
 is the sweet spot for most wide-angle situations.  But, as I said,
 this is a very personal thing.

To add an addendum to my opinion:  I used to have an A 24/2.8 (which
is a very nice lens, by the way), but I found that I hardly ever
used it, so I no longer have it.  (I'm sure it is serving another
Pentaxer very well.)  But, you know, I don't miss it at all...

On the other hand, if you took away my 20, I'd feel sort naked -
g.

Fred
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Re: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread Chris Brogden

 Just a quick question.  What is your prefered wide angle lens?  I have
 been thinking about getting a third party lens, probably around 24mm,
 and wanted some feedback from the group.

My favourite wide angle lens has to be the M24-35/3.5.  Good range, not
too long a zoom, and compact.  My favourite focal length for wide angle is
a toss-up between 24mm and 35mm.

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Re: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread Ken Archer

How much do you want for your Mir 20?

On Friday 26 April 2002 07:46 am, you wrote:
 I have a russian Mir MK-47 20mm/2.5 and SMCA 24/2.8
 Between them, the second one is my clear choice (although for more
 than twice the money). It's a bit longer and a bit slower (or, maybe
 not, 2.5 is not necessarily 2.5 really). But it's a lot more
 compact, has half the weight, and there's simply no comparison in the
 build quality. Still, I was quite happy with the 20mm, until I got
 the 24mm. I am thinking of selling the russian one, since it has been
 collecting dust on my shelf for almost half a year already.

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RE: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread Paris, Leonard

 Just a quick question.  What is your prefered wide angle lens?  I have
 been thinking about getting a third party lens, probably around 24mm,
 and wanted some feedback from the group.

Mine is the FA 20-35mm f/4. The best prime wide angle lens I own is the FA
35mm f/2 but I use the 20-35mm zoom more frequently.

Len
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Re: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread Pentxuser

I agree wholeheartedly. My 15 rarely travels in my bag. Only if I know I'm 
likely to use it. But I love it none the less.

In a message dated 4/26/02 10:01:24 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 15MM F3.5 SMC TAKUMAR. W I D E  !!!
 SHARP, CONTRASTY, FLARE RESISTANT.
 NOBODY DOES IT BETTER.

I have an optically identical A 15/3.5, and I have to agree with
your summary of its superb qualities, JCO.  However, it still loses
out (along with the A 16/2.8 Fisheye) to my A 20/2.8 for preferred
wide angle lens.  Both the 15/3.5 and (especially) the 16/2.8 are
very specialized lenses, made for very specialized images - images
that the 20/2.8 can't handle.  However, most of my own wide angle
shooting doesn't usually need something ~that~ wide, and the 20/2.8
serves nicely as the proper tool most of the time.  Furthermore, the
bulky (especially the 15/3.5) and rather dear super wide angles
simply don't get carried around very often - they are usually
sitting at home unless I know ahead of time that they would be
useful - while the compact 20/2.8 is almost as portable as a 50mm
normal lens (well, except for the flaring filter flange - g), and
has seen a lot of miles.

But the 15/3.5 is a gem, though, isn't it...  ;-)
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Re: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread Debra Wilborn

Wow, thanks for the overwhelming response!  I guess
then that the SMC 24/2.8 ranks pretty high on the list
(and the 31 LTD).  I'll keep that in mind next time I
go lens shopping.

Does anyone have opinions on non-Pentax glass in the
same focal length?  I know Cosina, Tokina and Tamron
(I think) make a 24/2.8.  Are they good or barely
worth the plastic they're housed in?  I'm asking
because I could probably get one to half the cost of
the Pentax lens.

Thanks and happy shooting,
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Re: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread Mishka

$90 + s/h. Contact me off-list for more details.

On Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:54:13 -0500, Ken Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
 How much do you want for your Mir 20?
 
 On Friday 26 April 2002 07:46 am, you wrote:
  I have a russian Mir MK-47 20mm/2.5 and SMCA 24/2.8
  Between them, the second one is my clear choice (although for more
  than twice the money). It's a bit longer and a bit slower (or, maybe
  not, 2.5 is not necessarily 2.5 really). But it's a lot more
  compact, has half the weight, and there's simply no comparison in the
  build quality. Still, I was quite happy with the 20mm, until I got
  the 24mm. I am thinking of selling the russian one, since it has been
  collecting dust on my shelf for almost half a year already.
 
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Re: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread Aaron Reynolds

Previously I'd have said 24mm, but the novelty of the wideness has worn 
off, and I think that 35mm really is my favourite focal length, not just 
for wides, but overall.

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Re: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread Ken Archer

Sorry, but that is too high for me for a used lens.  I can get a new 
one from Pavel Gubanov for $85.  He usually sells on ebay, but I have 
purchased from him direct including shipping for what he normally gets 
on ebay.

On Friday 26 April 2002 01:52 pm, you wrote:
 $90 + s/h. Contact me off-list for more details.

 On Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:54:13 -0500, Ken Archer
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 said:
  How much do you want for your Mir 20?
 
  On Friday 26 April 2002 07:46 am, you wrote:
  I am thinking of selling the
   russian one, since it has been collecting dust on my shelf for
   almost half a year already.
 
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Re: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread wendy beard

At 13:50 26-4-2002 -0400, you wrote:
From: Debra Wilborn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Favorite wide lens?

Wow, thanks for the overwhelming response!  I guess
then that the SMC 24/2.8 ranks pretty high on the list
(and the 31 LTD).  I'll keep that in mind next time I
go lens shopping.

Does anyone have opinions on non-Pentax glass in the
same focal length?  I know Cosina, Tokina and Tamron
(I think) make a 24/2.8.  Are they good or barely
worth the plastic they're housed in?  I'm asking
because I could probably get one to half the cost of
the Pentax lens.

Hi Deb,

I used to have a Tokina 24mm. I'm pretty sure it was metal.
I don't remember it as being a particularly bad lens, but I didn't use it 
apart from one one cycle trip to the pyrenees.
I sold it after that.

ever helpful,
Wendy

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Re: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread Mark Cassino

I recently bought an FA 20 - 35 f4 and love it - great color and contrast, 
wonderfully sharp.

- MCC

At 09:23 PM 4/25/2002 -0700, you wrote:
Just a quick question.  What is your prefered wide
angle lens?  I have been thinking about getting a
third party lens, probably around 24mm, and wanted
some feedback from the group.

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RE: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread J. C. O'Connell

 Does anyone have opinions on non-Pentax glass in the
 same focal length?  I know Cosina, Tokina and Tamron
 (I think) make a 24/2.8.  Are they good or barely
 worth the plastic they're housed in?  I'm asking
 because I could probably get one to half the cost of
 the Pentax lens.
 
I just bought a Tokina RMC 24mm F2.8 in M42 a few
weeks ago to throw into my Car Trunk kit. Excellent
lens  well worth the $50 paid. This dates from the 
early 80's I think and all metal...
JCO
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Re: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread Fred

Hi, Bob.

 I prefer the FA*24/2.0 for some of the extraordinary picture
 quality it delivers.

I understand.  And you're not alone - there's a lot of PDML-ers that
swear by that lens.  And I suppose that I've got to try it some
time...  (Or, maybe I should give another look at the A 24/2.8, a
lens I no longer have...)

 I have been working with a 'new' (to me) A20/2.8 that I like, but
 results can be a surprise sometimes.  I took the 20mm out after a
 snowfall and captured  some landscapes.  I tried filling the frame
 with the foreground I wanted by  aiming a bit higher to get the
 distractions in front of me out of the frame.   Well, I got them
 out of the frame all right, but look what else happened...
 http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/A20mm.jpg
 Takes some practice getting used to this!  g   The 20mm is much
 like the 15mm.  You must watch to keep it LEVEL.

Heh-heh.  Yes, Bob, 20mm takes a little getting used to.  But that's
because it really ~is~ wide.  Not as wide as the 15/3.5, of course,
but wide enough that shooting requires some care, more than what's
required with a your 24.  But, that's also why I like 20mm more than
24mm - it really ~is~ wide, isn't it?

Now back to your photo - you do have to admit, Bob, that you
~should~ have seen that coming right in the viewfinder, right?  ;-)
(Thanks for sharing - takes guts - you're a better man than I, Bob -
g.)

Fred
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Re: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread Frankie Lee

My favorite wide lens is surely K 28/3.5 if I want to bring only one or two lenses. I 
used it mainly (together with F 50/1.4) during my walk-around tour in England and 
Scotland last year.
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RE: Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-26 Thread Debra Wilborn

--- J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I just bought a Tokina RMC 24mm F2.8 in M42 a few
 weeks ago to throw into my Car Trunk kit.
 Excellent
 lens  well worth the $50 paid. This dates from the 
 early 80's I think and all metal...
 JCO
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That might be really close to what I was looking at. 
Do you think the k-mount version would be much
different?

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Favorite wide lens?

2002-04-25 Thread Debra Wilborn

Just a quick question.  What is your prefered wide
angle lens?  I have been thinking about getting a
third party lens, probably around 24mm, and wanted
some feedback from the group.

Buenos noches,
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