Re: Film for ballet performance
WR> I've always been a voice in the wilderness regarding HC:110. I WR> like the stuff. It does well with TMZ. Truthfully, so does D-76 WR> if you give it long enough. T-Max developer gives one of the WR> flattest characteristic curves I have seen with TMZ, but I find WR> it a rather expensive developer to use, considering the WR> benefits. I have had good results with TMZ souped in Ilford Microphen (my _THE_ pushing developer, I develop HP5+ to 3200 in it). Microphen gives better shadow detail but slightly larger grain to Kodak's TMY than Xtol 1+1, so I guess it would be a well suited developer to TMZ. Interestingly, I got better results on TMZ with Microphen than with hot-processed (24 deg. C) T-MAX developer. But the negs were a bit flat, that's right. I should have prolonged the souping time I think. Still, I think Microphen is one of the very best low-light developers, and it gives pleasant grain pattern with most films (sometimes suprisingly small). And it is the cheapest push developer you can get! For pushing, I use it undiluted, and throw it away after use (I buy the big packs). A 2.5l pack is good for about 12-13 pushed films. My friend who does R&R concerts much longer than me uses pushed Tri-X and Tetenal Emofin for some really good photos. But Emofin is much too expensive for me, it is about 4x-6x more expensive per film than Microphen. HTH, Frantisek - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Film for ballet performance
[...] KW> speed and fstop you used. Ballet can be a difficult subject for KW> photography, I rate it alongside "Rock'n'Roll" photography for KW> degree of difficulty. If I remember some of the amateur venues and clubs I shot in, the lighting man must have been drunk. Punks don't need light, maybe, but my trusty 1.4/50 with 3200 pushed HP5+ was giving me about 1/8-1/15 readings... Back to colour film - a friend who photographs R&R concerts much more than me uses Fuji Press 800, pushed to 1600 (IIRC, some older thread here, the Fuji press 800 is _same_ as Fuji superia 800). I shoot mostly B&W concerts, though, but in colour, I use Kodak Supra 800 pushed to 1600 (I have faster lenses though ). When we last talked about it, he said that in his opinion the Fuji gives better shadow detail but more saturated colours (sometimes not wanted in concerts, where colour spotlights are saturated well enough to start with), over the Supra 800. So consider these two films pushed 1 stop (I know, I know, Bill, pushing a colour film is oxymoron, I have seen the lab results and graphs, there is NO increase in speed in the Supra 800 nor Superia 800 when pushing them, they are just easier to print at 1600 than at 800 underexposed). HTH, Frantisek - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Film for ballet performance
Best I could come up with is their email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tuesday 27 November 2001 09:30, Mike Johnston wrote: > BTW, The former head of Black-and-White products at Kodak, Dick > Dickerson, and his best emulsion technologist, Sylvia Zawadski, are > both semi-retired now and teach seminars on black-and-white. They > must have a website, although I don't know where. Sylvia and Dick > were responsible for the T-Max films, the Kodak chromogenic films, > Xtol developer, and on and on. Sylvia invented P3200. I bet they'd > have some information on it on their site. > > --Mike -- Kenneth Archer + San Antonio, Texas [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ #24980801 Powered by Linux ++ Mailed by Kmail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Film for ballet performance
On Tuesday, November 27, 2001, at 12:03 AM, Ken Archer wrote: > I shot a concert with TMax p3200 a week ago and devleped it in D76. > The grain was ok but the negs were awfully low on contrast. Anybody > know of a better developer combination? I'm a big fan of fast films in Ilford Microphen. Delta 3200 and Neopan 1600 are both stellar in it. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Film for ballet performance
I found that to be true also. I used to use the Pentax 200/2.5 on an LX plus the optional AF280T with tele-extender if flash was allowed. Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 11:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Film for ballet performance In a message dated 11/26/01 5:52:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Ballet can be a difficult subject forphotography, I rate it alongside > "Rock'n'Roll" photography for degree of difficulty. > Ballet takes at least a 180-200mm lens to isolate the performers from their background. Same for Rock and roll. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Film for ballet performance
- Original Message - From: "Ken Archer" Subject: Re: Film for ballet performance > I shot a concert with TMax p3200 a week ago and devleped it in D76. > The grain was ok but the negs were awfully low on contrast. Anybody > know of a better developer combination? I've always been a voice in the wilderness regarding HC:110. I like the stuff. It does well with TMZ. Truthfully, so does D-76 if you give it long enough. T-Max developer gives one of the flattest characteristic curves I have seen with TMZ, but I find it a rather expensive developer to use, considering the benefits. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Film for ballet performance
Maris wrote: > But what about the grain in scanning the TMax p3200? > One of my prime concerns. the grain scans just fine :^) The point being that some graininess must be accepted in order to achieve the photograph under the prevailing conditions. To not accept this inevitability would be evidence of a person's ignorance of the parameters within which one must work to get strong, non-blurred images in dark fast-moving situations. It's just the way it is - ya just have to do what has to be done. Try this some time if you like - use something like a fast 85mm or 105mm and use f4-f5.6ish w/ as fast a shutter as you can get. Focus on the area of the stage where they will be and concentrate on framing "the moment" If you can get reliable push-processing rate at 6400 or 12,800 - if not use a wider aperture and have it processed "normal" at 3200 Bill ... I'll try to send you a pic or two if I can get to it - Bill D. Casselberry ; Photography on the Oregon Coast http://www.orednet.org/~bcasselb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Film for ballet performance
I shot a concert with TMax p3200 a week ago and devleped it in D76. The grain was ok but the negs were awfully low on contrast. Anybody know of a better developer combination? On Monday 26 November 2001 22:39, Maris V. Lidaka, Sr. wrote: > But what about the grain in scanning the TMax p3200? One of my prime > concerns. > > Maris -- Kenneth Archer + San Antonio, Texas [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ #24980801 Powered by Linux ++ Mailed by Kmail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Film for ballet performance
But what about the grain in scanning the TMax p3200? One of my prime concerns. Maris - Original Message - From: "Bill D. Casselberry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 9:47 PM Subject: Re: Film for ballet performance | Maris wrote: | | I used the ZX-5n on I think 125th second with auto f/stop setting - the | lights changed constantly (darker, lighter, different color) and it was | actually modern dance and the dancers moved quickly so it seemed the | easiest way. The viewfinder indicated sufficient light without flash | but I'm sure it was at the borderline. I should have jotted it down | | H, as I suspected - a job for TMax p3200 @12,800asa | | ;^) Bill | | - | Bill D. Casselberry ; Photography on the Oregon Coast | | http://www.orednet.org/~bcasselb | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - | - | This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, | go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to | visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . | | - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Film for ballet performance
In a message dated 11/26/01 5:52:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Ballet can be a difficult subject forphotography, I rate it alongside > "Rock'n'Roll" photography for degree of difficulty. > Ballet takes at least a 180-200mm lens to isolate the performers from their background. Same for Rock and roll. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Film for ballet performance
Maris wrote: I used the ZX-5n on I think 125th second with auto f/stop setting - the lights changed constantly (darker, lighter, different color) and it was actually modern dance and the dancers moved quickly so it seemed the easiest way. The viewfinder indicated sufficient light without flash but I'm sure it was at the borderline. I should have jotted it down H, as I suspected - a job for TMax p3200 @12,800asa ;^) Bill - Bill D. Casselberry ; Photography on the Oregon Coast http://www.orednet.org/~bcasselb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Film for ballet performance
I used the ZX-5n on I think 125th second with auto f/stop setting - the lights changed constantly (darker, lighter, different color) and it was actually modern dance and the dancers moved quickly so it seemed the easiest way. The viewfinder indicated sufficient light without flash but I'm sure it was at the borderline. I should have jotted it down One of the scanned but unedited images is posted at http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=164238 Maris - Original Message - From: "Kevin Waterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 5:01 PM Subject: Re: Film for ballet performance | "Maris V. Lidaka, Sr." wrote: | | > Report to all interested: | > | > The 800 seemed to do well at the performance, but the results show Kevin and the |others who suggested 1600 speed film were right - very dark images and I've been |re-reading my Photoshop books and corresponding on the Photoshop list to try to get |them looking presentable. | > | > Ballet it turns out is low-light, not bright-light and spotlight, so 1600 is the |way to go. | | I would truly like to see the un-editted results and see what your | speed and fstop you used. Ballet can be a difficult subject for | photography, I rate it alongside "Rock'n'Roll" photography for | degree of difficulty. | | Your photos may well prove a good source of the traps associated | with this type of photography. | | Kind regards | Kevin | - | This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, | go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to | visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . | - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Film for ballet performance
"Maris V. Lidaka, Sr." wrote: > Report to all interested: > > The 800 seemed to do well at the performance, but the results show Kevin and the >others who suggested 1600 speed film were right - very dark images and I've been >re-reading my Photoshop books and corresponding on the Photoshop list to try to get >them looking presentable. > > Ballet it turns out is low-light, not bright-light and spotlight, so 1600 is the way >to go. I would truly like to see the un-editted results and see what your speed and fstop you used. Ballet can be a difficult subject for photography, I rate it alongside "Rock'n'Roll" photography for degree of difficulty. Your photos may well prove a good source of the traps associated with this type of photography. Kind regards Kevin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Film for ballet performance
Report to all interested: The 800 seemed to do well at the performance, but the results show Kevin and the others who suggested 1600 speed film were right - very dark images and I've been re-reading my Photoshop books and corresponding on the Photoshop list to try to get them looking presentable. Ballet it turns out is low-light, not bright-light and spotlight, so 1600 is the way to go. Maris - Original Message - From: "Maris V. Lidaka, Sr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 12:03 AM Subject: Re: Film for ballet performance | A day late and a dollar short :-) | | The performance was 3 hours ago at 8 PM - I did grab a Fujicolor HG1600 this |afternoon, though, but the 800 did well with the ZX-5n set at 1/250 shutter speed - |result was f4.5 | | I'll drop of the film for developing Monday and hope to scan and post later next |week. | | Thank you, | | Maris | | - Original Message - | From: "Kevin Waterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 11:09 PM | Subject: Re: Film for ballet performance | | | | "Maris V. Lidaka, Sr." wrote: | | | | > Thank you all for the replies - I appreciate your steering me away from 400 |speed so I picked up Fuji's Superia X-Tra 800 ( I like Fujifilm and it was the only |800 speed my local store had). | | | | also grab a 1600 if you can, if not you may wish to push the 800. | | If the lighting is dim, you will glad you had the 1600. | | | | good luck, and look forward to see results | | | | Kind regards | | Kevin | | - | | This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, | | go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to | | visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . | | | - | This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, | go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to | visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . | | - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Film for ballet performance
Michael Perham wrote: > I would try at least an 800 ASA film or even Fuji's new 1600 Superier. > I tried a roll over the weekend but think I will stick with the 800 > which seems significantly less grainy. Also I find a monopod much more > versatile than a tripod for this kind of thing ...I tried a monopod and > 800 speed film to shoot my daughter dance this summer at the Banff > School of Fine Arts. However, their floor was black and just soaked > up the light, requiring me to shoot at very slow speeds, our local venue > has white floors and hopefully will allow me to shoot at least at 125th. I second the recommendation for 800 speed film. Indoors is surprising, despite what looks like "reasonable light", when it comes to photography. -Lon, who ain't nebber gonna say any more about OS's except that the MAC RULES. grin. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Film for ballet performance
A day late and a dollar short :-) The performance was 3 hours ago at 8 PM - I did grab a Fujicolor HG1600 this afternoon, though, but the 800 did well with the ZX-5n set at 1/250 shutter speed - result was f4.5 I'll drop of the film for developing Monday and hope to scan and post later next week. Thank you, Maris - Original Message - From: "Kevin Waterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 11:09 PM Subject: Re: Film for ballet performance | "Maris V. Lidaka, Sr." wrote: | | > Thank you all for the replies - I appreciate your steering me away from 400 speed |so I picked up Fuji's Superia X-Tra 800 ( I like Fujifilm and it was the only 800 |speed my local store had). | | also grab a 1600 if you can, if not you may wish to push the 800. | If the lighting is dim, you will glad you had the 1600. | | good luck, and look forward to see results | | Kind regards | Kevin | - | This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, | go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to | visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . | - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Film for ballet performance
Thanks, Bill I'm using color, but I will run out and get some 1600 speed film for tonight's performance, just in case. And I'll run out all three legs of the tripod. Maris - Original Message - From: "Bill D. Casselberry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 12:36 PM Subject: Re: Film for ballet performance | Maris wrote: | | > I don't have a monopod & don't want to buy one just for this, so I'm | > bringing my tripod and extending one leg only to use it as a monopod | | ;^) might as well run out all three legs - you can keep them | bunched together if needed, or spread them out a bit if the | conditions allow for it. I do this even w/ my rather bulky | Bogen 3046 (I've also been known to poke the thing way up in | the air w/ camera on timer delay for those all-encompasing | "FishEye in the Sky" shots at times :^) | | ... for film, I would have suggested TMax p3200 pushed to 12,800 | if necessary due to dark stage conditions. I have had good results | in theatre lighting settings w/ this arrangement - and being able | to shoot in the f4-5.6 @ 1/250th to 1/500th sec range. IMHO, do what | ever it takes to assure a sufficient shutter speed to freeze the | action - nothing more depressing than getting back a bunch of motion | blurred images after all that effort. Leaping dancers frozen w/ limbs | outstretched against the stage scenery are well worth the lack of color. | | This approach would necessitate self-development or use of a trusted | and competent b&w lab, of course. | | Bill | | - | Bill D. Casselberry ; Photography on the Oregon Coast | | http://www.orednet.org/~bcasselb | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - | - | This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, | go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to | visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . | - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Film for ballet performance
800 ASA and no tripod >From: "Maris V. Lidaka, Sr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Film for ballet performance >Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 01:39:16 -0600 > >My niece is performing in Chicago this weekend (Friday, so I'm looking for >help today Thursday) - a small YMCA auditorium, I don't know what the >lighting will be but I guess whatever is usual for stages. > >No flash of course: Should I use 400 speed film or faster? Bring a >tripod? > >Any recommendations of negative film type? I have Kodak Supra 400 on hand >but I can buy something else tomorrow. > >Maris >- >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Film for ballet performance
Maris, Have you got a monopod? I've used Fuji 800 (NHGII or Press) with good results in these situations. Good Luck, Bob S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << My niece is performing in Chicago this weekend (Friday, so I'm looking for help today Thursday) - a small YMCA auditorium, I don't know what the lighting will be but I guess whatever is usual for stages. No flash of course: Should I use 400 speed film or faster? Bring a tripod? Any recommendations of negative film type? I have Kodak Supra 400 on hand but I can buy something else tomorrow. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Film for ballet performance
Michael Perham wrote: > BTW, my daughter is Clara in this year's Nutcracker for those who > don't know, that's the lead roll and she is the youngest girl from our > studio to have the role. She is just turning 16 this December. Another proud ballet dad :) Good to see I am not alone. Kevin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Film for ballet performance
"Maris V. Lidaka, Sr." wrote: > My niece is performing in Chicago this weekend (Friday, so I'm looking for help >today Thursday) - a small YMCA auditorium, I don't know what the lighting will be but >I guess whatever is usual for stages. > > No flash of course: Should I use 400 speed film or faster? Bring a tripod? Tripod or monopod essential. I do quite a bit of ballet photography and there is no "whatever is usual for stages" I have been to performances where lighting was done by professionals and to those where it has been almost non-existant. Be Prepared! I take with me a 400, but rarely have I used it for performances. My favourite is film is the Fuji HG 1600, while I would like to go for the 800 I have rarely seen stage lighting that is constant enough to actually sit there and meter it. Ballet usually gives you a spot light on the main character, if your niece is doing a solo, this will not be a problem, however, if she is part of a group she may well be in a not so well lit area of the stage. Even if she is the main character, the YMCA may not be as well to do as some and lighting may be lacking, when this is the case, I have pushed 1600 film to 3200 but for the most a 1600 and compensation by up to 3 stops is not unusual for small auditoriums. Take the 400, but I doubt you will use it, take an 800, and hope the lighting is good, take a 1600, and you will not miss the action. I like the Fugi HG as it offers substantial increases in clarity formally obtainable only by slower films. I like to use a 36 exposure roll so I can cram in as many pics as I can in a short time. I am sure there is a Kodak equiv. If this is a short part on stage, take as many pics as you can, it is often difficult to get that perfect pic, so hold down the button and spool it off. Hope some of this helps. A good tip for ballet photography is to shoot from waist heigth of the performer on stage, if you are above them you tend to loose there legs and make them look stumby, if you shoot from below waist height, it gives the impression you are "look up their dress". hope some of this helps Kind regards Kevin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
