Re: I like my focusing screen
On Nov 10, 2012, at 14:47 , Larry Colen wrote: > Did you hit the info button to zoom in tighter on the point of critical > focus? You can do that? I only read that part of the manual that I can find relative to the shots I am planning to take. Guess I'd better at least try skimming the K-5 one. K-7 too? Joseph -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I like my focusing screen
On Nov 10, 2012, at 1:09 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote: > I've solved the spectacle wearer's viewfinder use by knocking the lens out of > a pair of glasses. Allows me to get my eyeball close enough to see the entire > frame. The built in diopter on the K series DSLRs takes care of what I need > glasses for. The lens still attached is used for chimping. > > However, having just done a bunch of focusing tests, I will say with the K-5 > it is very hard to achieve good focus using the viewfinder with or without > the Pentax magnifying lens; almost impossible with Live-View. Unless you are talking about photographing a moving target, I find your difficulty with Live View hard to believe. Did you hit the info button to zoom in tighter on the point of critical focus? Since live view is giving you the image right off the sensor, there is nothing to calibrate, it is exactly what the image will be. In low light, I find it to be the absolute most accurate way of focusing. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I like my focusing screen
I've solved the spectacle wearer's viewfinder use by knocking the lens out of a pair of glasses. Allows me to get my eyeball close enough to see the entire frame. The built in diopter on the K series DSLRs takes care of what I need glasses for. The lens still attached is used for chimping. However, having just done a bunch of focusing tests, I will say with the K-5 it is very hard to achieve good focus using the viewfinder with or without the Pentax magnifying lens; almost impossible with Live-View. I'm going to test next with the flip up magnifier as soon as I can find it after my move. Found the one for the 67, and the old one that fits the Spotmatic, but not the one for the MX, LX, K-7, K-5. Finally, using the ref-converter A and Seagull at 2x soon. On Nov 8, 2012, at 10:08 , Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 9:09 AM, P. J. Alling > wrote: >> The K20D or for that matter any previous Pentaprism Pentax DSLR compares >> quite favorably with the viewfinder in the MZ3 XZ-5[n] cameras, If you use >> the eyecup magnifier, in my experience. In my opinion "High Eyepoint" = >> "Less expensive optics", so the manufacture can either add other features, >> such as a built in diopter adjustment, or sell at a lower price point, or >> both. Maybe even build in a bit more profit. > > The best viewfinder I had on 35mm format SLRs was the Nikon F3/T hp > finder. High eye point with premium optics ... I could see the entire > framing coverage clearly without moving my eye around as well as the > exposure indicators. Not cheap optics at all. > > Most of the other SLRs lauded for their high magnification viewfinders > have too short an eyepoint for those of use who wear glasses: they're > uncomfortable to use as a result. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I like my focusing screen
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 10:55 AM, John Sessoms wrote: >> >> Sure any FF DSLR vievfinder is noticeably wider than those in APS-C >> DSLR's, but don't expect a viewfinder like the one in the LX. > > Is there any physical reason they can't do the kind of viewfinder they > did for the LX? Or is it just because they're cheapskate bastards? They're not the cheapskate bastards, the customers are. Let's put it this way: An SLR viewfinder's brightness is dependent upon - the speed of the lens projecting light into it - the optical efficiency of the mirror - the optical efficiency of the focusing screen - the magnification that the focusing screen is set to be viewed at - the size of the focusing screen - the optical efficiency of the prism and viewfinder optics The imaging quality (or suitability for manual focusing) of an SLR viewfinder is dependent on the same things but add the textural qualities of the focus screen as well. The lens, mirror, and focusing screen provide the light source for the rest of the viewfinder optical system. An APS-C SLR focusing screen is typically about 44% of the area of a FF (35mm format) SLR camera. If all else is equal, the amount of light getting to the viewfinder optics behind the focusing screen is reduced by 56% on that basis alone, which means that if they grafted the entire LX viewfinder optical system onto a K-5, it would STILL be at least one stop dimmer than the same viewfinder in the LX. To achieve parity in viewfinder quality with a small format optical SLR takes extraordinary and expensive measures, like oversize, super high quality viewfinder optics able to eke out every last joule of light energy and direct it to the viewer's eye. And even then, there's a limit. A look at the FourThirds SLRs from Olympus is instructive here. Olympus went to great lengths on the E-3 and E-5 to improve the brightness and usability of the viewfinder. The E-30, a body very similar to the E-5, was about 60% of the price, and I wager that most of that additional money went into the viewfinder. Olympus also invested untold millions of dollars into designing and manufacturing very very fast pro lenses to optimize the system's performance. So there are physical limits, beyond just money, but money is a big factor. All that fancy optics work costs a bunch; most users don't want to pay $2000+ for a camera body. You can't get that level of optical reflex viewfinder for less on a small format camera, and there's a limit to what's possible due to the physics involved too. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I like my focusing screen
J.C., I wasn't directing my comment solely at you; I'm sure you are distinguished gentleman of great taste and have many reasons for wanting a FF Pentax. I was more thinking about the many, many, many people on Pentax Forums who request a FF just so they can get a bigger OVF. Don't feel offended :-) —M. \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment On 8 November 2012 11:35, J.C. O'Connell wrote: > Id like to clarify, I want a Pentax FF dslr for several reasons: > Better image quality, restoration of wide angle FOV, and better > viewfinders. I never said I wanted FF dslr "just for the viewfinder". > > - > J.C.O'Connell > hifis...@gate.net > - > > -Original Message- > From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Miserere > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 10:35 AM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: I like my focusing screen > > Bear in mind that an AF camera, even FF, won't have such a big screen > as an LX, MX, etc. I hear a lot of yearning for a Pentax FF "just for > the viewfinder" and I have to wonder if those people have looked > through the viewfinder of a FF DSLR. I've compared the Nikon D700's > viewfinder to that of my K10D with accessory 1.17x diopter magnifier, > and the difference was not huge; certainly not a big enough > improvement to justify the expense of moving to FF just for it. > > Now, the 645D's viewfinder...now THAT would definitely be an > improvement; it was like looking at a movie theater screen right > inside your camera :-) > > Cheers, > >-M. > > \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com > > http://EnticingTheLight.com > A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment > > > > On 8 November 2012 07:43, J.C. O'Connell wrote: >> agreed, but a good screen helps. One of the big reasons I want a full > frame >> DSLR from pentax is to get back one of those big full size bright >> viewfinders like on their film cameras. >> >> - >> J.C.O'Connell >> hifis...@gate.net >> - >> >> -Original Message- >> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Daniele Procida >> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 6:57 AM >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: I like my focusing screen >> >> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012, J.C. O'Connell wrote: >> >>>First thing I did when I bought my istDS 6 years ago was to replace the >>>stock focus screen. I went with a generic chinese split image screen. It >>>makes manual focussing a pleasure compared to stock and highly recommended >>>for anyone using manual focus lenses. >> >> One of the (many) things that prompted me to go back to film was the >> horrific experience of trying to focus through the tiny dull viewfinder of > a >> digital SLR. >> >> Daniele >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: I like my focusing screen
I want the equiv. of the om-1 finder! - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Miserere Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 11:49 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: I like my focusing screen J.C., I don't assume it, it's the way it is. I have yet to look through the viewfinder of an AF FF (D)SLR that is as big as those on manual focus SLRs. Here's an image comparison for a bunch of DSLRs and the Oly OM-1: http://snapsort.com/learn/images/viewfinder-size-comparison.jpg Cheers, -M. \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment On 8 November 2012 10:46, J.C. O'Connell wrote: > Secondly, why do you feel an FF AF camera viewfinder must be smaller than a > FF manual focus viewfinder? > > - > J.C.O'Connell > hifis...@gate.net > - > > -Original Message- > From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Miserere > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 10:35 AM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: I like my focusing screen > > Bear in mind that an AF camera, even FF, won't have such a big screen > as an LX, MX, etc. I hear a lot of yearning for a Pentax FF "just for > the viewfinder" and I have to wonder if those people have looked > through the viewfinder of a FF DSLR. I've compared the Nikon D700's > viewfinder to that of my K10D with accessory 1.17x diopter magnifier, > and the difference was not huge; certainly not a big enough > improvement to justify the expense of moving to FF just for it. > > Now, the 645D's viewfinder...now THAT would definitely be an > improvement; it was like looking at a movie theater screen right > inside your camera :-) > > Cheers, > >-M. > > \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com > > http://EnticingTheLight.com > A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment > > > > On 8 November 2012 07:43, J.C. O'Connell wrote: >> agreed, but a good screen helps. One of the big reasons I want a full > frame >> DSLR from pentax is to get back one of those big full size bright >> viewfinders like on their film cameras. >> >> - >> J.C.O'Connell >> hifis...@gate.net >> ----- >> >> -Original Message- >> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Daniele Procida >> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 6:57 AM >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: I like my focusing screen >> >> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012, J.C. O'Connell wrote: >> >>>First thing I did when I bought my istDS 6 years ago was to replace the >>>stock focus screen. I went with a generic chinese split image screen. It >>>makes manual focussing a pleasure compared to stock and highly recommended >>>for anyone using manual focus lenses. >> >> One of the (many) things that prompted me to go back to film was the >> horrific experience of trying to focus through the tiny dull viewfinder of > a >> digital SLR. >> >> Daniele >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I like my focusing screen
No physical reasons in my knowledge. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: John Sessoms Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 7:55 PM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: I like my focusing screen From: "Dario Bonazza" Sure any FF DSLR vievfinder is noticeably wider than those in APS-C DSLR's, but don't expect a viewfinder like the one in the LX. Dario Is there any physical reason they can't do the kind of viewfinder they did for the LX? Or is it just because they're cheapskate bastards? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2012.0.2221 / Database dei virus: 2441/5382 - Data di rilascio: 08/11/2012 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: I like my focusing screen
Pentax could always design and release a DLX (digital)LX with a finder as large as the LX. It just wouldnt be cheap. - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Miserere Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 11:49 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: I like my focusing screen J.C., I don't assume it, it's the way it is. I have yet to look through the viewfinder of an AF FF (D)SLR that is as big as those on manual focus SLRs. Here's an image comparison for a bunch of DSLRs and the Oly OM-1: http://snapsort.com/learn/images/viewfinder-size-comparison.jpg Cheers, -M. \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment On 8 November 2012 10:46, J.C. O'Connell wrote: > Secondly, why do you feel an FF AF camera viewfinder must be smaller than a > FF manual focus viewfinder? > > - > J.C.O'Connell > hifis...@gate.net > - > > -Original Message- > From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Miserere > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 10:35 AM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: I like my focusing screen > > Bear in mind that an AF camera, even FF, won't have such a big screen > as an LX, MX, etc. I hear a lot of yearning for a Pentax FF "just for > the viewfinder" and I have to wonder if those people have looked > through the viewfinder of a FF DSLR. I've compared the Nikon D700's > viewfinder to that of my K10D with accessory 1.17x diopter magnifier, > and the difference was not huge; certainly not a big enough > improvement to justify the expense of moving to FF just for it. > > Now, the 645D's viewfinder...now THAT would definitely be an > improvement; it was like looking at a movie theater screen right > inside your camera :-) > > Cheers, > >-M. > > \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com > > http://EnticingTheLight.com > A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment > > > > On 8 November 2012 07:43, J.C. O'Connell wrote: >> agreed, but a good screen helps. One of the big reasons I want a full > frame >> DSLR from pentax is to get back one of those big full size bright >> viewfinders like on their film cameras. >> >> - >> J.C.O'Connell >> hifis...@gate.net >> ----- >> >> -Original Message- >> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Daniele Procida >> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 6:57 AM >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: I like my focusing screen >> >> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012, J.C. O'Connell wrote: >> >>>First thing I did when I bought my istDS 6 years ago was to replace the >>>stock focus screen. I went with a generic chinese split image screen. It >>>makes manual focussing a pleasure compared to stock and highly recommended >>>for anyone using manual focus lenses. >> >> One of the (many) things that prompted me to go back to film was the >> horrific experience of trying to focus through the tiny dull viewfinder of > a >> digital SLR. >> >> Daniele >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I like my focusing screen
From: "Dario Bonazza" Sure any FF DSLR vievfinder is noticeably wider than those in APS-C DSLR's, but don't expect a viewfinder like the one in the LX. Dario Is there any physical reason they can't do the kind of viewfinder they did for the LX? Or is it just because they're cheapskate bastards? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I like my focusing screen
The K20D or for that matter any previous Pentaprism Pentax DSLR compares quite favorably with the viewfinder in the MZ3 XZ-5[n] cameras, If you use the eyecup magnifier, in my experience. In my opinion "High Eyepoint" = "Less expensive optics", so the manufacture can either add other features, such as a built in diopter adjustment, or sell at a lower price point, or both. Maybe even build in a bit more profit. On 11/8/2012 10:55 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Because for some reason it is. Manufacturers say they are meant for providing longer eyepoint, useful to spectacle-wearers. Anyway, just compare MX/LX with ZX-5/PZ-1. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: J.C. O'Connell Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 4:46 PM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: I like my focusing screen Secondly, why do you feel an FF AF camera viewfinder must be smaller than a FF manual focus viewfinder? - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Miserere Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 10:35 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: I like my focusing screen Bear in mind that an AF camera, even FF, won't have such a big screen as an LX, MX, etc. I hear a lot of yearning for a Pentax FF "just for the viewfinder" and I have to wonder if those people have looked through the viewfinder of a FF DSLR. I've compared the Nikon D700's viewfinder to that of my K10D with accessory 1.17x diopter magnifier, and the difference was not huge; certainly not a big enough improvement to justify the expense of moving to FF just for it. Now, the 645D's viewfinder...now THAT would definitely be an improvement; it was like looking at a movie theater screen right inside your camera :-) Cheers, -M. \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment On 8 November 2012 07:43, J.C. O'Connell wrote: agreed, but a good screen helps. One of the big reasons I want a full frame DSLR from pentax is to get back one of those big full size bright viewfinders like on their film cameras. - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Daniele Procida Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 6:57 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: I like my focusing screen On Thu, Nov 8, 2012, J.C. O'Connell wrote: First thing I did when I bought my istDS 6 years ago was to replace the stock focus screen. I went with a generic chinese split image screen. It makes manual focussing a pleasure compared to stock and highly recommended for anyone using manual focus lenses. One of the (many) things that prompted me to go back to film was the horrific experience of trying to focus through the tiny dull viewfinder of a digital SLR. Daniele -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I like my focusing screen
J.C., I don't assume it, it's the way it is. I have yet to look through the viewfinder of an AF FF (D)SLR that is as big as those on manual focus SLRs. Here's an image comparison for a bunch of DSLRs and the Oly OM-1: http://snapsort.com/learn/images/viewfinder-size-comparison.jpg Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment On 8 November 2012 10:46, J.C. O'Connell wrote: > Secondly, why do you feel an FF AF camera viewfinder must be smaller than a > FF manual focus viewfinder? > > - > J.C.O'Connell > hifis...@gate.net > - > > -Original Message- > From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Miserere > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 10:35 AM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: I like my focusing screen > > Bear in mind that an AF camera, even FF, won't have such a big screen > as an LX, MX, etc. I hear a lot of yearning for a Pentax FF "just for > the viewfinder" and I have to wonder if those people have looked > through the viewfinder of a FF DSLR. I've compared the Nikon D700's > viewfinder to that of my K10D with accessory 1.17x diopter magnifier, > and the difference was not huge; certainly not a big enough > improvement to justify the expense of moving to FF just for it. > > Now, the 645D's viewfinder...now THAT would definitely be an > improvement; it was like looking at a movie theater screen right > inside your camera :-) > > Cheers, > >-M. > > \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com > > http://EnticingTheLight.com > A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment > > > > On 8 November 2012 07:43, J.C. O'Connell wrote: >> agreed, but a good screen helps. One of the big reasons I want a full > frame >> DSLR from pentax is to get back one of those big full size bright >> viewfinders like on their film cameras. >> >> - >> J.C.O'Connell >> hifis...@gate.net >> ----- >> >> -Original Message- >> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Daniele Procida >> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 6:57 AM >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: I like my focusing screen >> >> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012, J.C. O'Connell wrote: >> >>>First thing I did when I bought my istDS 6 years ago was to replace the >>>stock focus screen. I went with a generic chinese split image screen. It >>>makes manual focussing a pleasure compared to stock and highly recommended >>>for anyone using manual focus lenses. >> >> One of the (many) things that prompted me to go back to film was the >> horrific experience of trying to focus through the tiny dull viewfinder of > a >> digital SLR. >> >> Daniele >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: I like my focusing screen
Id like to clarify, I want a Pentax FF dslr for several reasons: Better image quality, restoration of wide angle FOV, and better viewfinders. I never said I wanted FF dslr "just for the viewfinder". - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Miserere Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 10:35 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: I like my focusing screen Bear in mind that an AF camera, even FF, won't have such a big screen as an LX, MX, etc. I hear a lot of yearning for a Pentax FF "just for the viewfinder" and I have to wonder if those people have looked through the viewfinder of a FF DSLR. I've compared the Nikon D700's viewfinder to that of my K10D with accessory 1.17x diopter magnifier, and the difference was not huge; certainly not a big enough improvement to justify the expense of moving to FF just for it. Now, the 645D's viewfinder...now THAT would definitely be an improvement; it was like looking at a movie theater screen right inside your camera :-) Cheers, -M. \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment On 8 November 2012 07:43, J.C. O'Connell wrote: > agreed, but a good screen helps. One of the big reasons I want a full frame > DSLR from pentax is to get back one of those big full size bright > viewfinders like on their film cameras. > > - > J.C.O'Connell > hifis...@gate.net > - > > -Original Message- > From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Daniele Procida > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 6:57 AM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: I like my focusing screen > > On Thu, Nov 8, 2012, J.C. O'Connell wrote: > >>First thing I did when I bought my istDS 6 years ago was to replace the >>stock focus screen. I went with a generic chinese split image screen. It >>makes manual focussing a pleasure compared to stock and highly recommended >>for anyone using manual focus lenses. > > One of the (many) things that prompted me to go back to film was the > horrific experience of trying to focus through the tiny dull viewfinder of a > digital SLR. > > Daniele > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I like my focusing screen
Sure any FF DSLR vievfinder is noticeably wider than those in APS-C DSLR's, but don't expect a viewfinder like the one in the LX. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: J.C. O'Connell Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 5:05 PM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: I like my focusing screen Im not familiar with those cameras you mention, but whatever Pentax is doing now with their APSC dslrs can be scaled up to allow much bigger viewfinder with FF, even AF. - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Dario Bonazza Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 10:55 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: I like my focusing screen Because for some reason it is. Manufacturers say they are meant for providing longer eyepoint, useful to spectacle-wearers. Anyway, just compare MX/LX with ZX-5/PZ-1. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: J.C. O'Connell Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 4:46 PM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: I like my focusing screen Secondly, why do you feel an FF AF camera viewfinder must be smaller than a FF manual focus viewfinder? - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Miserere Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 10:35 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: I like my focusing screen Bear in mind that an AF camera, even FF, won't have such a big screen as an LX, MX, etc. I hear a lot of yearning for a Pentax FF "just for the viewfinder" and I have to wonder if those people have looked through the viewfinder of a FF DSLR. I've compared the Nikon D700's viewfinder to that of my K10D with accessory 1.17x diopter magnifier, and the difference was not huge; certainly not a big enough improvement to justify the expense of moving to FF just for it. Now, the 645D's viewfinder...now THAT would definitely be an improvement; it was like looking at a movie theater screen right inside your camera :-) Cheers, -M. \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment On 8 November 2012 07:43, J.C. O'Connell wrote: agreed, but a good screen helps. One of the big reasons I want a full frame DSLR from pentax is to get back one of those big full size bright viewfinders like on their film cameras. - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Daniele Procida Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 6:57 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: I like my focusing screen On Thu, Nov 8, 2012, J.C. O'Connell wrote: First thing I did when I bought my istDS 6 years ago was to replace the stock focus screen. I went with a generic chinese split image screen. It makes manual focussing a pleasure compared to stock and highly recommended for anyone using manual focus lenses. One of the (many) things that prompted me to go back to film was the horrific experience of trying to focus through the tiny dull viewfinder of a digital SLR. Daniele -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2012.0.2221 / Database dei virus: 2441/5381 - Data di rilascio: 07/11/2012 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2012.0.2221 / Database dei virus: 2441/5381 - Data di rilascio: 07/11/2012 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: I like my focusing screen
Im not familiar with those cameras you mention, but whatever Pentax is doing now with their APSC dslrs can be scaled up to allow much bigger viewfinder with FF, even AF. - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Dario Bonazza Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 10:55 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: I like my focusing screen Because for some reason it is. Manufacturers say they are meant for providing longer eyepoint, useful to spectacle-wearers. Anyway, just compare MX/LX with ZX-5/PZ-1. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: J.C. O'Connell Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 4:46 PM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: I like my focusing screen Secondly, why do you feel an FF AF camera viewfinder must be smaller than a FF manual focus viewfinder? - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Miserere Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 10:35 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: I like my focusing screen Bear in mind that an AF camera, even FF, won't have such a big screen as an LX, MX, etc. I hear a lot of yearning for a Pentax FF "just for the viewfinder" and I have to wonder if those people have looked through the viewfinder of a FF DSLR. I've compared the Nikon D700's viewfinder to that of my K10D with accessory 1.17x diopter magnifier, and the difference was not huge; certainly not a big enough improvement to justify the expense of moving to FF just for it. Now, the 645D's viewfinder...now THAT would definitely be an improvement; it was like looking at a movie theater screen right inside your camera :-) Cheers, -M. \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment On 8 November 2012 07:43, J.C. O'Connell wrote: > agreed, but a good screen helps. One of the big reasons I want a full frame > DSLR from pentax is to get back one of those big full size bright > viewfinders like on their film cameras. > > - > J.C.O'Connell > hifis...@gate.net > - > > -Original Message- > From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Daniele Procida > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 6:57 AM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: I like my focusing screen > > On Thu, Nov 8, 2012, J.C. O'Connell wrote: > >>First thing I did when I bought my istDS 6 years ago was to replace the >>stock focus screen. I went with a generic chinese split image screen. It >>makes manual focussing a pleasure compared to stock and highly recommended >>for anyone using manual focus lenses. > > One of the (many) things that prompted me to go back to film was the > horrific experience of trying to focus through the tiny dull viewfinder of a > digital SLR. > > Daniele > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2012.0.2221 / Database dei virus: 2441/5381 - Data di rilascio: 07/11/2012 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I like my focusing screen
Because for some reason it is. Manufacturers say they are meant for providing longer eyepoint, useful to spectacle-wearers. Anyway, just compare MX/LX with ZX-5/PZ-1. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: J.C. O'Connell Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 4:46 PM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: I like my focusing screen Secondly, why do you feel an FF AF camera viewfinder must be smaller than a FF manual focus viewfinder? - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Miserere Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 10:35 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: I like my focusing screen Bear in mind that an AF camera, even FF, won't have such a big screen as an LX, MX, etc. I hear a lot of yearning for a Pentax FF "just for the viewfinder" and I have to wonder if those people have looked through the viewfinder of a FF DSLR. I've compared the Nikon D700's viewfinder to that of my K10D with accessory 1.17x diopter magnifier, and the difference was not huge; certainly not a big enough improvement to justify the expense of moving to FF just for it. Now, the 645D's viewfinder...now THAT would definitely be an improvement; it was like looking at a movie theater screen right inside your camera :-) Cheers, -M. \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment On 8 November 2012 07:43, J.C. O'Connell wrote: agreed, but a good screen helps. One of the big reasons I want a full frame DSLR from pentax is to get back one of those big full size bright viewfinders like on their film cameras. - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Daniele Procida Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 6:57 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: I like my focusing screen On Thu, Nov 8, 2012, J.C. O'Connell wrote: First thing I did when I bought my istDS 6 years ago was to replace the stock focus screen. I went with a generic chinese split image screen. It makes manual focussing a pleasure compared to stock and highly recommended for anyone using manual focus lenses. One of the (many) things that prompted me to go back to film was the horrific experience of trying to focus through the tiny dull viewfinder of a digital SLR. Daniele -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2012.0.2221 / Database dei virus: 2441/5381 - Data di rilascio: 07/11/2012 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: I like my focusing screen
Secondly, why do you feel an FF AF camera viewfinder must be smaller than a FF manual focus viewfinder? - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Miserere Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 10:35 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: I like my focusing screen Bear in mind that an AF camera, even FF, won't have such a big screen as an LX, MX, etc. I hear a lot of yearning for a Pentax FF "just for the viewfinder" and I have to wonder if those people have looked through the viewfinder of a FF DSLR. I've compared the Nikon D700's viewfinder to that of my K10D with accessory 1.17x diopter magnifier, and the difference was not huge; certainly not a big enough improvement to justify the expense of moving to FF just for it. Now, the 645D's viewfinder...now THAT would definitely be an improvement; it was like looking at a movie theater screen right inside your camera :-) Cheers, -M. \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment On 8 November 2012 07:43, J.C. O'Connell wrote: > agreed, but a good screen helps. One of the big reasons I want a full frame > DSLR from pentax is to get back one of those big full size bright > viewfinders like on their film cameras. > > - > J.C.O'Connell > hifis...@gate.net > - > > -Original Message- > From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Daniele Procida > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 6:57 AM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: I like my focusing screen > > On Thu, Nov 8, 2012, J.C. O'Connell wrote: > >>First thing I did when I bought my istDS 6 years ago was to replace the >>stock focus screen. I went with a generic chinese split image screen. It >>makes manual focussing a pleasure compared to stock and highly recommended >>for anyone using manual focus lenses. > > One of the (many) things that prompted me to go back to film was the > horrific experience of trying to focus through the tiny dull viewfinder of a > digital SLR. > > Daniele > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: I like my focusing screen
I wouldnt assume it will be big, but I wouldnt assume it will be smaller than a mx either. Pentax knows viewfinders. - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Miserere Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 10:35 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: I like my focusing screen Bear in mind that an AF camera, even FF, won't have such a big screen as an LX, MX, etc. I hear a lot of yearning for a Pentax FF "just for the viewfinder" and I have to wonder if those people have looked through the viewfinder of a FF DSLR. I've compared the Nikon D700's viewfinder to that of my K10D with accessory 1.17x diopter magnifier, and the difference was not huge; certainly not a big enough improvement to justify the expense of moving to FF just for it. Now, the 645D's viewfinder...now THAT would definitely be an improvement; it was like looking at a movie theater screen right inside your camera :-) Cheers, -M. \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment On 8 November 2012 07:43, J.C. O'Connell wrote: > agreed, but a good screen helps. One of the big reasons I want a full frame > DSLR from pentax is to get back one of those big full size bright > viewfinders like on their film cameras. > > - > J.C.O'Connell > hifis...@gate.net > - > > -Original Message- > From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Daniele Procida > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 6:57 AM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: I like my focusing screen > > On Thu, Nov 8, 2012, J.C. O'Connell wrote: > >>First thing I did when I bought my istDS 6 years ago was to replace the >>stock focus screen. I went with a generic chinese split image screen. It >>makes manual focussing a pleasure compared to stock and highly recommended >>for anyone using manual focus lenses. > > One of the (many) things that prompted me to go back to film was the > horrific experience of trying to focus through the tiny dull viewfinder of a > digital SLR. > > Daniele > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I like my focusing screen
Miserere wrote: >Bear in mind that an AF camera, even FF, won't have such a big screen >as an LX, MX, etc. I hear a lot of yearning for a Pentax FF "just for >the viewfinder" and I have to wonder if those people have looked >through the viewfinder of a FF DSLR. I've compared the Nikon D700's >viewfinder to that of my K10D with accessory 1.17x diopter magnifier, >and the difference was not huge; certainly not a big enough >improvement to justify the expense of moving to FF just for it. > >Now, the 645D's viewfinder...now THAT would definitely be an >improvement; it was like looking at a movie theater screen right >inside your camera :-) You should try out the viewfinder on my Sony A850. Want to meet at Bromfield camera to shoot the breeze with Bob Richmond and company some time soon? -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I like my focusing screen
Bear in mind that an AF camera, even FF, won't have such a big screen as an LX, MX, etc. I hear a lot of yearning for a Pentax FF "just for the viewfinder" and I have to wonder if those people have looked through the viewfinder of a FF DSLR. I've compared the Nikon D700's viewfinder to that of my K10D with accessory 1.17x diopter magnifier, and the difference was not huge; certainly not a big enough improvement to justify the expense of moving to FF just for it. Now, the 645D's viewfinder...now THAT would definitely be an improvement; it was like looking at a movie theater screen right inside your camera :-) Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ --> http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment On 8 November 2012 07:43, J.C. O'Connell wrote: > agreed, but a good screen helps. One of the big reasons I want a full frame > DSLR from pentax is to get back one of those big full size bright > viewfinders like on their film cameras. > > - > J.C.O'Connell > hifis...@gate.net > - > > -Original Message- > From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Daniele Procida > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 6:57 AM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: I like my focusing screen > > On Thu, Nov 8, 2012, J.C. O'Connell wrote: > >>First thing I did when I bought my istDS 6 years ago was to replace the >>stock focus screen. I went with a generic chinese split image screen. It >>makes manual focussing a pleasure compared to stock and highly recommended >>for anyone using manual focus lenses. > > One of the (many) things that prompted me to go back to film was the > horrific experience of trying to focus through the tiny dull viewfinder of a > digital SLR. > > Daniele > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I like my focusing screen
Really depends on the DSLR & the lens attached to it. Mind you, nothing compares to the clarity of the ground glass of MF or LF viewfinder. On 8 November 2012 19:56, Daniele Procida wrote: > On Thu, Nov 8, 2012, J.C. O'Connell wrote: > >>First thing I did when I bought my istDS 6 years ago was to replace the >>stock focus screen. I went with a generic chinese split image screen. It >>makes manual focussing a pleasure compared to stock and highly recommended >>for anyone using manual focus lenses. > > One of the (many) things that prompted me to go back to film was the horrific > experience of trying to focus through the tiny dull viewfinder of a digital > SLR. > > Daniele -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: I like my focusing screen
agreed, but a good screen helps. One of the big reasons I want a full frame DSLR from pentax is to get back one of those big full size bright viewfinders like on their film cameras. - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Daniele Procida Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 6:57 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: I like my focusing screen On Thu, Nov 8, 2012, J.C. O'Connell wrote: >First thing I did when I bought my istDS 6 years ago was to replace the >stock focus screen. I went with a generic chinese split image screen. It >makes manual focussing a pleasure compared to stock and highly recommended >for anyone using manual focus lenses. One of the (many) things that prompted me to go back to film was the horrific experience of trying to focus through the tiny dull viewfinder of a digital SLR. Daniele -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I like my focusing screen
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012, J.C. O'Connell wrote: >First thing I did when I bought my istDS 6 years ago was to replace the >stock focus screen. I went with a generic chinese split image screen. It >makes manual focussing a pleasure compared to stock and highly recommended >for anyone using manual focus lenses. One of the (many) things that prompted me to go back to film was the horrific experience of trying to focus through the tiny dull viewfinder of a digital SLR. Daniele -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: I like my focusing screen
First thing I did when I bought my istDS 6 years ago was to replace the stock focus screen. I went with a generic chinese split image screen. It makes manual focussing a pleasure compared to stock and highly recommended for anyone using manual focus lenses. - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Krisjanis Linkevics Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 6:49 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: I like my focusing screen Some 18 months ago I bought a K3 (Nikon) focusing screen for my K5 from focusingscreen. It was a tough choice between K3 and KatzEye, the K3 was a little cheaper so I went with that. My thoughts? Probably the best accessory I could have ever bought for the K5. The stock screen is useless for critical manual focusing, this one makes it pure pleasure. Ideally I would have wanted a 45 degree split prism but the horizontal one works well enough for most situations. I consider myself lucky in that it worked right away with no shims or other adjustments and gives me perfect focus at f2.8 with all the lenses I care about. The 50 f1.2 at portrait distances still requires live view but only because the DOF is way too shallow to do the classic focus/recompose thing. Even live view isn't perfect for that if only for the time it takes for the camera to go out of live view for the actual exposure. I have no problem with autofocus, most times it is up to the task on K5 - and way faster than manual focus. kris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
