Re: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG

2009-05-22 Thread Thibouille 
Same as sizing up the sensor.
Bigger is always better but somehow it becomes unpractical ...
Which is to say either slution are valid until proven inefficient.

On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 8:58 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> You can do the same refinements a number of times but eventually you reach a
> point of diminishing returns.
>
> Matthew Miller wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 07:20:42AM +0300, Boris Liberman wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> 1. The camera sensor seems to be totally new. They have played with the
>>> micro lenses to increase actual area of a single pixel. The reviewer also
>>> mentions that this new micro lens design makes it work better with film
>>> lenses and it allows for wider range of angles of falling light.
>>>
>>
>> I'm having deja vu here:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
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Re: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG

2009-05-22 Thread P. J. Alling 
You can do the same refinements a number of times but eventually you 
reach a point of diminishing returns.


Matthew Miller wrote:

On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 07:20:42AM +0300, Boris Liberman wrote:
  
1. The camera sensor seems to be totally new. They have played with the 
micro lenses to increase actual area of a single pixel. The reviewer also 
mentions that this new micro lens design makes it work better with film 
lenses and it allows for wider range of angles of falling light.



I'm having deja vu here:



  



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Re: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG

2009-05-22 Thread Matthew Miller 
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 07:20:42AM +0300, Boris Liberman wrote:
> 1. The camera sensor seems to be totally new. They have played with the 
> micro lenses to increase actual area of a single pixel. The reviewer also 
> mentions that this new micro lens design makes it work better with film 
> lenses and it allows for wider range of angles of falling light.

I'm having deja vu here:



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Re: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG

2009-05-22 Thread Bob Sullivan 
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 6:06 AM, mike wilson  wrote:
>  Boris Liberman  wrote:

>> Mike you ought to stop being so pedantic ;-)
>
> It's a national trait. 8-)

No this deserves a MARK

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Re: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG

2009-05-22 Thread mike wilson 

 Boris Liberman  wrote: 
> Oh, the effective area. Right.
> 
> Mike you ought to stop being so pedantic ;-)

It's a national trait. 8-)  But I was and am still curious to see what is going 
on at pixel level and wasn't sure precisely what you meant.

> 
> Boris
> 
> mike wilson wrote:
> >  AlunFoto  wrote: 
> >> Sounds like an attempt to reduce number of lost photons between the
> >> pixels to me.
> >> Jostein
> > 
> > Increasing the _effective_ area of each pixel?
> > 
> >> 2009/5/22 mike wilson :
> >>>  Boris Liberman  wrote:
>  AlunFoto wrote:
> > Hmm... I think we need help from Boris on that one.
> > Jostein
>  I think you're right. Here is the help. Practically I can of course
>  translate all of it, but it will take ages. Few random points:
> 
>  1. The camera sensor seems to be totally new. They have played with the
>  micro lenses to increase actual area of a single pixel.
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Re: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG

2009-05-22 Thread Boris Liberman 

Oh, the effective area. Right.

Mike you ought to stop being so pedantic ;-)

Boris

mike wilson wrote:
 AlunFoto  wrote: 

Sounds like an attempt to reduce number of lost photons between the
pixels to me.
Jostein


Increasing the _effective_ area of each pixel?


2009/5/22 mike wilson :

 Boris Liberman  wrote:

AlunFoto wrote:

Hmm... I think we need help from Boris on that one.
Jostein

I think you're right. Here is the help. Practically I can of course
translate all of it, but it will take ages. Few random points:

1. The camera sensor seems to be totally new. They have played with the
micro lenses to increase actual area of a single pixel.

Really?  I thought everyone was working towards smaller pixels?

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Re: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG

2009-05-22 Thread mike wilson 

 AlunFoto  wrote: 
> Sounds like an attempt to reduce number of lost photons between the
> pixels to me.
> Jostein

Increasing the _effective_ area of each pixel?

> 
> 2009/5/22 mike wilson :
> >
> >  Boris Liberman  wrote:
> >> AlunFoto wrote:
> >> > Hmm... I think we need help from Boris on that one.
> >> > Jostein
> >>
> >> I think you're right. Here is the help. Practically I can of course
> >> translate all of it, but it will take ages. Few random points:
> >>
> >> 1. The camera sensor seems to be totally new. They have played with the
> >> micro lenses to increase actual area of a single pixel.
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Re: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG

2009-05-22 Thread AlunFoto 
Sounds like an attempt to reduce number of lost photons between the
pixels to me.
Jostein

2009/5/22 mike wilson :
>
>  Boris Liberman  wrote:
>> AlunFoto wrote:
>> > Hmm... I think we need help from Boris on that one.
>> > Jostein
>>
>> I think you're right. Here is the help. Practically I can of course
>> translate all of it, but it will take ages. Few random points:
>>
>> 1. The camera sensor seems to be totally new. They have played with the
>> micro lenses to increase actual area of a single pixel.
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> Really?  I thought everyone was working towards smaller pixels?
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RE: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG

2009-05-22 Thread JC OConnell 
he's reffering to the actual light sensitive area per pixel,
higher efficiency, less "screen door effect".

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 Boris Liberman  wrote: 
> AlunFoto wrote:
> > Hmm... I think we need help from Boris on that one.
> > Jostein
> 
> I think you're right. Here is the help. Practically I can of course
> translate all of it, but it will take ages. Few random points:
> 
> 1. The camera sensor seems to be totally new. They have played with 
> the
> micro lenses to increase actual area of a single pixel. 

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Re: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG

2009-05-22 Thread mike wilson 

 Boris Liberman  wrote: 
> AlunFoto wrote:
> > Hmm... I think we need help from Boris on that one.
> > Jostein
> 
> I think you're right. Here is the help. Practically I can of course 
> translate all of it, but it will take ages. Few random points:
> 
> 1. The camera sensor seems to be totally new. They have played with the 
> micro lenses to increase actual area of a single pixel. 

Really?  I thought everyone was working towards smaller pixels?

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Re: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG

2009-05-22 Thread AlunFoto 
There's a video posted by Pentax USA too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNCHdsZI88g
>From the motions it seems to me the content is quite similar.

Jostein

2009/5/22 Boris Liberman :
> AlunFoto wrote:
>>
>> Hmm... I think we need help from Boris on that one.
>> Jostein
>
> I think you're right. Here is the help. Practically I can of course
> translate all of it, but it will take ages. Few random points:
>
> 1. The camera sensor seems to be totally new. They have played with the
> micro lenses to increase actual area of a single pixel. The reviewer also
> mentions that this new micro lens design makes it work better with film
> lenses and it allows for wider range of angles of falling light.
>
> 2. The picture modes (or whatever is the name) can now be fine tuned for
> separate contrast rendition in bright and dark areas.
>
> 3. They mention that this camera is set to compete face to face (or hmmm,
> lens mount to lens mount) with Nikon D300, Canon EOS 50D, Sony Alpha 700 and
> Olympus E-3.
>
> 4. All in all, consider that instead of reading through numerous pages of
> DPReview review (all the description stuff, not testing) you got it
> presented to you by someone in front of a video camera.
>
> Perhaps if I look at it half dozen times I'd notice more details that might
> have been omitted in the web based texts, but in general - this is yet
> another description of the new camera.
>
> Having seen that video that Cotty shown I as well might wanna buy this one.
> I do want to shoot short videos in general and short videos of my girls in
> particular.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Boris
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> P.S. I know for the fact that I am not the only Russian speaker on the list.
> Perhaps others may contribute given their perspective on all this...
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Re: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG

2009-05-21 Thread Boris Liberman 

AlunFoto wrote:

Hmm... I think we need help from Boris on that one.
Jostein


I think you're right. Here is the help. Practically I can of course 
translate all of it, but it will take ages. Few random points:


1. The camera sensor seems to be totally new. They have played with the 
micro lenses to increase actual area of a single pixel. The reviewer 
also mentions that this new micro lens design makes it work better with 
film lenses and it allows for wider range of angles of falling light.


2. The picture modes (or whatever is the name) can now be fine tuned for 
separate contrast rendition in bright and dark areas.


3. They mention that this camera is set to compete face to face (or 
hmmm, lens mount to lens mount) with Nikon D300, Canon EOS 50D, Sony 
Alpha 700 and Olympus E-3.


4. All in all, consider that instead of reading through numerous pages 
of DPReview review (all the description stuff, not testing) you got it 
presented to you by someone in front of a video camera.


Perhaps if I look at it half dozen times I'd notice more details that 
might have been omitted in the web based texts, but in general - this is 
yet another description of the new camera.


Having seen that video that Cotty shown I as well might wanna buy this 
one. I do want to shoot short videos in general and short videos of my 
girls in particular.


Cheers.

Boris


P.S. I know for the fact that I am not the only Russian speaker on the 
list. Perhaps others may contribute given their perspective on all this...


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Re: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG

2009-05-21 Thread Boris Liberman 
LOL. I thought that witnessing us talk in several days taught you the 
difference ;-). It is Russian ;-).


Boris

Thibouille wrote:

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 4:37 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:

 Now the K7d by all accounts, (well the two
I've read so far anyway), state the it's shutter and mirror are
exceptionally quite, which is probably made possible partly by it's APS-C
sized components.


Here's a video in spanish (but we dont care in this case) where you
can hear K20D and K-7 shutter/mirror sound.
Yes the K-7 is a lot better damped.

And btw, DNG is now compressed. SD card can be stored in the DBG4 when
you chose battery. If you chose the AA tray you lose the SD card
storage.




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Re: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG

2009-05-21 Thread paul stenquist 
I don't notice a bit difference between the two cameras, other than  
the fact that the K7 is shooting more frames per second. But I don't  
care about noise for the most part.

Paul
On May 21, 2009, at 5:04 PM, Bob W wrote:



Thibouille wrote:

Ouch! ;)
Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-PDwlMYMqY


that must be from the Slavic region of Spain.



that guy's face is as expressive as a Gerry Anderson character.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcNkEa5EjQE

The camera is very loud compared to an E-1.

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Re: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG

2009-05-21 Thread David J Brooks 
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Bob W  wrote:
>>
>> Thibouille wrote:
>> > Ouch! ;)
>> > Here it is:
>> >
>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-PDwlMYMqY
>>
>> that must be from the Slavic region of Spain.
>>
>
> that guy's face is as expressive as a Gerry Anderson character.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcNkEa5EjQE
>
> The camera is very loud compared to an E-1.

But not as loud as C4.

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RE: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG

2009-05-21 Thread Bob W 
> 
> Thibouille wrote:
> > Ouch! ;)
> > Here it is:
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-PDwlMYMqY
> 
> that must be from the Slavic region of Spain.
> 

that guy's face is as expressive as a Gerry Anderson character. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcNkEa5EjQE

The camera is very loud compared to an E-1.

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Re: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG

2009-05-21 Thread AlunFoto 
Hmm... I think we need help from Boris on that one.
Jostein

2009/5/21 Thibouille :
> Ouch! ;)
> Here it is:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-PDwlMYMqY
>
> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
>> no link!
>>
>> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Thibouille  wrote:
>>> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 4:37 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
 Now the K7d by all accounts, (well the two
 I've read so far anyway), state the it's shutter and mirror are
 exceptionally quite, which is probably made possible partly by it's APS-C
 sized components.
>>>
>>> Here's a video in spanish (but we dont care in this case) where you
>>> can hear K20D and K-7 shutter/mirror sound.
>>> Yes the K-7 is a lot better damped.
>>>
>>> And btw, DNG is now compressed. SD card can be stored in the DBG4 when
>>> you chose battery. If you chose the AA tray you lose the SD card
>>> storage.
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Re: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG

2009-05-21 Thread Juan Buhler 
The guy's Spanish is really really accented I think :)

Nice sound. I'm thinking about a K7, to replace my K10D. I'm not sure
I need it though--been using the M8 mostly lately, and only use the
K10D with the 12-24 when I need a wide angle.

I'd get this camera for the possibility of shooting video on a big
sensor. But I'm also looking at the Panasonic G1HD, which might be
better for my shooting style.

Decisions...

j


On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Thibouille  wrote:
> Ouch! ;)
> Here it is:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-PDwlMYMqY
>
> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
>> no link!
>>
>> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Thibouille  wrote:
>>> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 4:37 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
 Now the K7d by all accounts, (well the two
 I've read so far anyway), state the it's shutter and mirror are
 exceptionally quite, which is probably made possible partly by it's APS-C
 sized components.
>>>
>>> Here's a video in spanish (but we dont care in this case) where you
>>> can hear K20D and K-7 shutter/mirror sound.
>>> Yes the K-7 is a lot better damped.
>>>
>>> And btw, DNG is now compressed. SD card can be stored in the DBG4 when
>>> you chose battery. If you chose the AA tray you lose the SD card
>>> storage.
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Re: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG

2009-05-21 Thread John Francis 

According to a post on the DPReview forums, there is not enough space
in the D-BG4 for the remote, no matter what batteries are being used.


On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 12:38:21PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> Do you know if the wireless remote shutter release can be stored in the 
> grip as on the K20D? I would miss that feature.
> Paul


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Re: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG

2009-05-21 Thread Thibouille 
Not anymore :(

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> Do you know if the wireless remote shutter release can be stored in the grip
> as on the K20D? I would miss that feature.
> Paul
>
> On May 21, 2009, at 12:31 PM, Doug Brewer wrote:
>
>> Thibouille wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 4:37 PM, P. J. Alling 
>>> wrote:

 Now the K7d by all accounts, (well the two
 I've read so far anyway), state the it's shutter and mirror are
 exceptionally quite, which is probably made possible partly by it's
 APS-C
 sized components.
>>>
>>> Here's a video in spanish (but we dont care in this case) where you
>>> can hear K20D and K-7 shutter/mirror sound.
>>> Yes the K-7 is a lot better damped.
>>> And btw, DNG is now compressed. SD card can be stored in the DBG4 when
>>> you chose battery. If you chose the AA tray you lose the SD card
>>> storage.
>>
>> so quiet it didn't even register...
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Re: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG

2009-05-21 Thread Doug Brewer 

Thibouille wrote:

Ouch! ;)
Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-PDwlMYMqY


that must be from the Slavic region of Spain.


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Re: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG

2009-05-21 Thread Paul Stenquist 
Do you know if the wireless remote shutter release can be stored in  
the grip as on the K20D? I would miss that feature.

Paul

On May 21, 2009, at 12:31 PM, Doug Brewer wrote:


Thibouille wrote:
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 4:37 PM, P. J. Alling  
 wrote:

Now the K7d by all accounts, (well the two
I've read so far anyway), state the it's shutter and mirror are
exceptionally quite, which is probably made possible partly by  
it's APS-C

sized components.

Here's a video in spanish (but we dont care in this case) where you
can hear K20D and K-7 shutter/mirror sound.
Yes the K-7 is a lot better damped.
And btw, DNG is now compressed. SD card can be stored in the DBG4  
when

you chose battery. If you chose the AA tray you lose the SD card
storage.


so quiet it didn't even register...

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Re: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG

2009-05-21 Thread Thibouille 
Ouch! ;)
Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-PDwlMYMqY

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> no link!
>
> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Thibouille  wrote:
>> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 4:37 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
>>> Now the K7d by all accounts, (well the two
>>> I've read so far anyway), state the it's shutter and mirror are
>>> exceptionally quite, which is probably made possible partly by it's APS-C
>>> sized components.
>>
>> Here's a video in spanish (but we dont care in this case) where you
>> can hear K20D and K-7 shutter/mirror sound.
>> Yes the K-7 is a lot better damped.
>>
>> And btw, DNG is now compressed. SD card can be stored in the DBG4 when
>> you chose battery. If you chose the AA tray you lose the SD card
>> storage.
>>
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Re: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG

2009-05-21 Thread Doug Brewer 

Thibouille wrote:

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 4:37 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:

 Now the K7d by all accounts, (well the two
I've read so far anyway), state the it's shutter and mirror are
exceptionally quite, which is probably made possible partly by it's APS-C
sized components.


Here's a video in spanish (but we dont care in this case) where you
can hear K20D and K-7 shutter/mirror sound.
Yes the K-7 is a lot better damped.

And btw, DNG is now compressed. SD card can be stored in the DBG4 when
you chose battery. If you chose the AA tray you lose the SD card
storage.



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Re: K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG

2009-05-21 Thread Bob Sullivan 
no link!

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Thibouille  wrote:
> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 4:37 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
>> Now the K7d by all accounts, (well the two
>> I've read so far anyway), state the it's shutter and mirror are
>> exceptionally quite, which is probably made possible partly by it's APS-C
>> sized components.
>
> Here's a video in spanish (but we dont care in this case) where you
> can hear K20D and K-7 shutter/mirror sound.
> Yes the K-7 is a lot better damped.
>
> And btw, DNG is now compressed. SD card can be stored in the DBG4 when
> you chose battery. If you chose the AA tray you lose the SD card
> storage.
>
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K-7 shutter/mirror noise, SD card storage in grip, compresed DNG

2009-05-21 Thread Thibouille 
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 4:37 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> Now the K7d by all accounts, (well the two
> I've read so far anyway), state the it's shutter and mirror are
> exceptionally quite, which is probably made possible partly by it's APS-C
> sized components.

Here's a video in spanish (but we dont care in this case) where you
can hear K20D and K-7 shutter/mirror sound.
Yes the K-7 is a lot better damped.

And btw, DNG is now compressed. SD card can be stored in the DBG4 when
you chose battery. If you chose the AA tray you lose the SD card
storage.

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