Max. # of B/W film.

2002-07-03 Thread Ayash Kanto Mukherjee

Hi all!

I have currently shot 2 rolls of Black and white films (Kodak Academy 200 
ASA); one was uprated to 400 ASA and the other as such. Presently, Ilford 
PAN 100 uprated to 200 ASA is in my camera. 

I have a 300 ml negetive developing tank in which two rolls of film can be 
simultaneously developed. I shall like to know the maximum number of B/W 
films that can be developed with one batch of developer. I generally use 
Kodak D-76 developer at 1:1 dilution.

Thanks is advance.

With kind regards,
Ayash.
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Re: Max. # of B/W film.

2002-07-03 Thread Bob Rapp

- Original Message -
From: Ayash Kanto Mukherjee
 Hi all!

 I have currently shot 2 rolls of Black and white films (Kodak Academy 200
 ASA); one was uprated to 400 ASA and the other as such. Presently, Ilford
 PAN 100 uprated to 200 ASA is in my camera.

 I have a 300 ml negetive developing tank in which two rolls of film can be
 simultaneously developed. I shall like to know the maximum number of B/W
 films that can be developed with one batch of developer. I generally use
 Kodak D-76 developer at 1:1 dilution.

 Thanks is advance.

 With kind regards,
 Ayash.

As long as the developer covers the film, you will not have any trouble. If
you are using a rotary processor (JOBO) use more developer. In the past, I
have developed up to 3 rolls in a 4 roll tank and the result is the same as
if I had done them one at a time. The important thing, during agitation,
more uniform results will be obtained if the developer completely uncovers
the film. Otherwise, the top roll may receive non-uniform development. FWIW.

Bob
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Re: Max. # of B/W film.

2002-07-03 Thread Ayash Kanto Mukherjee

Hallo Bob!

From your reply it seems to me that there is no limit to the number of 
films for batch processing. Do you mean that I can develop as many number of 
films as I wish provided that the two films in my developing tank is 
totally covered by the developer? Well, as far as I think, the developer
will get used up more and more as I go on using the same solution so a 
time will come when the strength of the developer will not be enough to 
carry on the chemical action. Or it may happen like this. I have to allow 
longer time for developement if I am using the same solution for more 
than four rolls. Please correct me, if I am incorrect?

Let me frame the question in a more precise manner. Can I use the same 
devoloper at 1:1 dilution for developing four rolls of black and white 
film in a developing tank which accepts only two rolls at a time? Do you 
suggest some other dilution or no dilution?

Thanks for your comments.

With kind regards,
Ayash.

On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, Bob Rapp wrote:
 
 As long as the developer covers the film, you will not have any trouble. If
 you are using a rotary processor (JOBO) use more developer. In the past, I
 have developed up to 3 rolls in a 4 roll tank and the result is the same as
 if I had done them one at a time. The important thing, during agitation,
 more uniform results will be obtained if the developer completely uncovers
 the film. Otherwise, the top roll may receive non-uniform development. FWIW.
 
 Bob
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Re: Max. # of B/W film.

2002-07-03 Thread Ayash Kanto Mukherjee

On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, William Robb wrote:

 - Original Message -
 From: Ayash Kanto Mukherjee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 5:34 AM
 Subject: Max. # of B/W film.
 
 
  Hi all!
 
  I have currently shot 2 rolls of Black and white films (Kodak
 Academy 200
  ASA); one was uprated to 400 ASA and the other as such.
 Presently, Ilford
  PAN 100 uprated to 200 ASA is in my camera.
 
  I have a 300 ml negetive developing tank in which two rolls of
 film can be
  simultaneously developed. I shall like to know the maximum
 number of B/W
  films that can be developed with one batch of developer. I
 generally use
  Kodak D-76 developer at 1:1 dilution.
 
 You need at least 100ml of stock D-76 per 36 exposure/ 120 film.
 Since you are uprating the film (there is no such thing, BTW),
 you probably don't want to use the developer 1:1.
 
 William Robb

Can I use that stock solution further for say another roll of 36 exposure 
film? From your reply, it seems that the answer is no. 
Sorry, I could not get the second sentence of your reply. Could you please 
explain a bit further, if it is not annoying?

I shall like to know one more thing. Suppose I am using films without 
uprating and all the films are of identical speeds. Now there is a term 
called Batch Processing where more than one films are developed in one 
go. Now suppose that I have 4 rolls of films to be processed. Suppose I am 
using a negetive developing tank which can accept 2 rolls 
of film at once. In Batch Processing, am I supposed to change the 
developer solution with fresh solution  after processing 2 rolls or 
shall I continue using the same developer solution?

With kind regards,
Ayash.
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Re: Max. # of B/W film.

2002-07-03 Thread Bill Owens

 I shall like to know one more thing. Suppose I am using films without
 uprating and all the films are of identical speeds. Now there is a term
 called Batch Processing where more than one films are developed in one
 go. Now suppose that I have 4 rolls of films to be processed. Suppose I am
 using a negetive developing tank which can accept 2 rolls
 of film at once. In Batch Processing, am I supposed to change the
 developer solution with fresh solution  after processing 2 rolls or
 shall I continue using the same developer solution?

You might try looking up the info for the film/developer combination you're
using on the manufacturer's web site.  At my age, considering the frequency
of senior moments, I usually check the Kodak or Ilford website before
processing to make sure I'm doing things right. :-)

Bill  KG4LOV
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Re: Max. # of B/W film.

2002-07-03 Thread Bob Rapp

- Original Message -
From: Ayash Kanto Mukherjee
 Hallo Bob!

 From your reply it seems to me that there is no limit to the number of
 films for batch processing. Do you mean that I can develop as many number
of
 films as I wish provided that the two films in my developing tank is
 totally covered by the developer? Well, as far as I think, the developer
 will get used up more and more as I go on using the same solution so a
 time will come when the strength of the developer will not be enough to
 carry on the chemical action. Or it may happen like this. I have to allow
 longer time for developement if I am using the same solution for more
 than four rolls. Please correct me, if I am incorrect?

 Let me frame the question in a more precise manner. Can I use the same
 devoloper at 1:1 dilution for developing four rolls of black and white
 film in a developing tank which accepts only two rolls at a time? Do you
 suggest some other dilution or no dilution?

 Thanks for your comments.

 With kind regards,
 Ayash.

D76 1:1 works very wellbut one shot only. Do not reuse and do not use in
rotary equipment that specify less solution that would be required to
completely cover the film when the tank is upright.

Bob
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Re: Max. # of B/W film.

2002-07-03 Thread William Robb

- Original Message -
From: Ayash Kanto Mukherjee
Subject: Re: Max. # of B/W film.




 Can I use that stock solution further for say another roll of
36 exposure
 film? From your reply, it seems that the answer is no.

Correct. The developer would be exhausted after processing.

 Sorry, I could not get the second sentence of your reply.
Could you please
 explain a bit further, if it is not annoying?

What you called uprating is one of my pet peeves. The generic
term is actually pushing the film, and it causes a loss of
shadow detail and an increase in contrast. If you are shooting
in very flat light, it is not so bad, but often, the environment
that pushed film finds itself being used in is high contrast
stuff, such as night street photography.

 I shall like to know one more thing. Suppose I am using films
without
 uprating and all the films are of identical speeds. Now there
is a term
 called Batch Processing where more than one films are
developed in one
 go. Now suppose that I have 4 rolls of films to be processed.
Suppose I am
 using a negetive developing tank which can accept 2 rolls
 of film at once. In Batch Processing, am I supposed to
change the
 developer solution with fresh solution  after processing 2
rolls or
 shall I continue using the same developer solution?

I would use the developer once and discard it, on general
principles. Stay with the rule of thumb (for D-76, anyway) which
is minimum 100ml of stock solution per roll of film, and discard
after use.

William Robb
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Re: Max. # of B/W film.

2002-07-03 Thread Ayash Kanto Mukherjee

Hi Bob!

After reading the comments/advice of you and many other PDMLers I have 
decided not to reuse 1:1 D76 for processing more number of films than 
indicated.

Thanks for your advice.

With kind regards,
Ayash.



On Thu, 4 Jul 2002, Bob Rapp wrote:

 D76 1:1 works very wellbut one shot only. Do not reuse and do not use in
 rotary equipment that specify less solution that would be required to
 completely cover the film when the tank is upright.
 
 Bob
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Re: Max. # of B/W film.

2002-07-03 Thread Ayash Kanto Mukherjee

On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, William Robb wrote:
 
 What you called uprating is one of my pet peeves. The generic
 term is actually pushing the film, and it causes a loss of
 shadow detail and an increase in contrast. If you are shooting
 in very flat light, it is not so bad, but often, the environment
 that pushed film finds itself being used in is high contrast
 stuff, such as night street photography.

aah! Now I can see. If I uprate/push a 400 ASA B/W film to 1600 ASA, shall 
I be able to see grains appearing in the negetive/4 inch by 6 inch 
sized prints? I have never tried it, so I don't know.

 I would use the developer once and discard it, on general
 principles. Stay with the rule of thumb (for D-76, anyway) which
 is minimum 100ml of stock solution per roll of film, and discard
 after use.
 
 William Robb

Yep! I won't do any kind of jugglery this time which may end to ruined 
negetives. 

Thanks for your advice.

With kind regards,
Ayash.
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