Re: Medium Format - To Pentax or not to Pentax.
- Original Message - From: James Adams Subject: Re: Medium Format - To Pentax or not to Pentax. One guy said to me today, Why stay with MF such as Hasselbads, when you can buy a 200 shot Digital camera for less than the cost of a lens. He sold all his gear a year ago on Ebay, and got a good price on everything. He said his colleagues are now struggling to get a decent price for their equipment. This is called the dumbing down of the market place, photography style. I envision a whole raft of supposed pro photographers kicking themselves in a few years time for selling off their good image making machines for crappy digital cameras. And don't kid yourself, compared to a Hassy image, digital camera images are pretty much dog shit. William (its finally spring, and I am becoming reaquainted with dog shit) Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Medium format, To Pentax or not to Pentax
On Wednesday, April 17, 2002, at 12:44 PM, Bob Blakely wrote: I've noted that the 67 continues to be used for many of the shots in the famous Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue... Don't forget the Victoria's Secret catalog. You see, you were simply researching what lens to buy, examining sharpness, bokeh, flare... -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Medium Format - To Pentax or not to Pentax.
William Robb writes: I don't know who you were quoting Mike, but the person being quoted is wrong (my opinion only). 6x6 is a different format from 6x4.5, with different shooting requirements. If you shoot 6x6, and make rectangular prints, you have chosen the wrong format to shoot with. I know a couple of people with Hasselblads who have taken the time to learn how to use the square format to it's best advantage, and they make beautiful large, square prints. I think you are right on target here. I've observed that from my own experiences. I used to have a 6x6 MF camera before I started using 35mm gear. I happened to stumble across my MF negatives last fall. When I look at them I see photography that is quite different from the photos which I make in the rectangular 35mm format. There is framing and composition in the square format which I _just wouldn't try_ in 35mm. I would do something else instead. That something else is often incompatible with a resulting square crop, or would not contain the right elements to make into a good square photo later. I just don't know how to say it well, but the framing and composition comes out _different_ in the square format. Not better, different. Sometimes I think the square composition is better than any composition I would have done with a rectangular 35mm camera. Other times a 35mm wide composition may have been better ... however cropping with MF isn't as bad as 35mm cropping. Going through my 6x6 negatives was one reason that I started to push hard for MF gear again, instead of just thinking about it in abstract terms and holding off purchasing it. As I've mentiond earlier, I was looking to get a 6x6 body. I noticed the Pentax 6x7 due to the mystical brotherhood, and discovered the affordability of the components. 6x7 is not _that_ different from 6x6, unlike the much wider 35mm. If I really want to shoot square format with the 6x7 I don't really loose all that much; I could always insert some framing material between the finder and the body to aid square framing. The only downside is that you still get 10 shots per roll. :) Bolo -- Josef T. Burger - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Medium Format - To Pentax or not to Pentax.
Hello all I am the one who was qouted regarding the 6x6 format. A lot of photographers see the 6x7 format as the ideal format. I tend to agree. I know that a lot of photographers use 6x6 (Hasselbald etc.). But how many photoggraphs are actually 6x6/square ind the end? (All the people I know, that use Hassies make rectangular pictures!) My bet is, that less than 10 pct? 5%?, 3%? end up square! Pentax, Mamiya and many other produce 6x7 cameras! Why Because most pictures end up rectangular anyway!! That's why! This doesn't mean that some brilliant photograps are square. And you CAN actually make square photographs from a 6x7 neg. without loosing much quality. It's more difficult/expensive the other way around, isn't it? Regards Jens Bladt, Denmark -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]På vegne af William Robb Sendt: 16. april 2002 01:08 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: 6x7 manual - Original Message - From: William Kane Subject: 6x7 manual Hey gang, Does anyone know if the 6x7 manual is the same as the 67 manual? Pentax has the 67 manual on their website (US), but not the 6x7 . . . They are essentially the same camera. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Medium Format - To Pentax or not to Pentax.
Hello all Correction:I of course meant: This doesn't mean that some brilliant photograps are not square. Regards Jens Bladt, Denmark -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]På vegne af William Robb Sendt: 16. april 2002 01:08 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: 6x7 manual - Original Message - From: William Kane Subject: 6x7 manual Hey gang, Does anyone know if the 6x7 manual is the same as the 67 manual? Pentax has the 67 manual on their website (US), but not the 6x7 . . . They are essentially the same camera. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Medium Format - To Pentax or not to Pentax.
Jens Bladt, Denmark I think I had a great time in Copenhagen back in 1967. I was there for about 48 hours courtesy of the USAF. First night there I drank Tuborg like I would Budweiser here. That's why I THINK I had a great time. Memories are kind of fuzzy. :-) Bill KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re[2]: Medium Format - To Pentax or not to Pentax.
Jens, For me, I have found that 6X7 appeals to my senses better. Square is not something that I like particularly, but 35mm is too retangular. The ration produced by the 67 is just about right for my tastes. I do realize that certain subject content could fit better square or more rectangular, but for general use, I'm really liking the 67. Bruce Dayton Tuesday, April 16, 2002, 2:53:43 PM, you wrote: JB Hello all JB I am the one who was qouted regarding the 6x6 format. JB A lot of photographers see the 6x7 format as the ideal format. I tend to JB agree. I know that a lot of photographers use 6x6 (Hasselbald etc.). But how JB many photoggraphs are actually 6x6/square ind the end? (All the people I JB know, that use Hassies make rectangular pictures!) JB My bet is, that less than 10 pct? 5%?, 3%? end up square! JB Pentax, Mamiya and many other produce 6x7 cameras! Why JB Because most pictures end up rectangular anyway!! That's why! JB This doesn't mean that some brilliant photograps are square. And you CAN JB actually make square photographs from a 6x7 neg. without loosing much JB quality. It's more difficult/expensive the other way around, isn't it? JB Regards JB Jens Bladt, Denmark JB -Oprindelig meddelelse- JB Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] JB [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]På vegne af William Robb JB Sendt: 16. april 2002 01:08 JB Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] JB Emne: Re: 6x7 manual JB - Original Message - JB From: William Kane JB Subject: 6x7 manual Hey gang, Does anyone know if the 6x7 manual is the same as the 67 JB manual? Pentax has the 67 manual on their website (US), but not the JB 6x7 . . . JB They are essentially the same camera. JB William Robb JB - JB This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, JB go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to JB visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . JB - JB This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, JB go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to JB visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Medium Format - To Pentax or not to Pentax.
Hello all, I have been spoking with quit a few Pro-photographers over the past few days about 6x6 format 6x7 format cameras etc., (Hasselbads and all). Almost all of them have gone digital, and sold their gear (The lucky ones up to a year ago). Even the Press guys are going Digital. Quite a few said they know of their Pro friends are trying to offload their camera equipment in favour of Digital. I may be wrong, but MF gear is starting to appear in increasing numbers of late. One guy said to me today, Why stay with MF such as Hasselbads, when you can buy a 200 shot Digital camera for less than the cost of a lens. He sold all his gear a year ago on Ebay, and got a good price on everything. He said his colleagues are now struggling to get a decent price for their equipment. Perhaps with more MF cameras coming onto the market, I might as well wait a bit, before thinking of buying. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Medium Format - To Pentax or not to Pentax.
ooops... that is so true. i guess, what made it look square is all the photoshop toolboxes i put on one side ;) From: Bob Rapp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Medium Format - To Pentax or not to Pentax. Did you know that the aspect ratio on your monitor is the same as 645? Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Medium Format - To Pentax or not to Pentax.
I have seen so many Pentax 67 and 645 cameras for sale this past week, I kind of despaired when looking at their high prices. Question: Would a Penticon Six camera be a reasonable camera to start MF photography. I have seen a number coming up on Ebay, most claiming to have been CLA'd. James BTW The Ricohflex I bought yesterday now works perfectly. I removed the front and rear lens elements and used Q-Tips and MG Chemicals Audio/Video Head Cleaner to remove a load of oil from the shutter and Iris blades. I used this as it contains IPA and a Tetrafluoroethane, and found that the oil or residue was removed easily by evaporation. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Medium Format - To Pentax or not to Pentax.
Hi James I have (since a few days) both (Pentax 6x7). Pentacon use nice Zeiss Jena lenses. The cameras are fine, but don't come even close to Pentax in precision manufacturing, convenience in use, reliability etc. I got a new viewfinder screen and the Pentacon 6 CLA'd for about 100$ in Dresden (Pentacon Gmbh), Germany - that made it a lot better. If you plan to use it in a studio/on a tripod it's fine, but more difficult handheld because the metered prisma is not very fast/accurate in use. Use a hand held /incident meter. It's NOT an ACTION CAMERA. Remember that 6x6 really is a 645 that doesn't have to bu turned to landscape or portrait format - you'll often want a rectangular picture in the end. So 6x7 is actually MUCH bigger than 6x6! If you later want a Pentax too, go for Pentax 645, which allows you to use (with adapter) the Zeiss lenses on the Pentax. You can have the some lenses rebuild to 6x7 too but it's VERY expensive (400$ a lens). If you don't want exchangeable lenses - go for a Rolleiflex 3.5 F - it's brilliant! Best regards Jens -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]På vegne af James Adams Sendt: 16. april 2002 04:47 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Medium Format - To Pentax or not to Pentax. I have seen so many Pentax 67 and 645 cameras for sale this past week, I kind of despaired when looking at their high prices. Question: Would a Penticon Six camera be a reasonable camera to start MF photography. I have seen a number coming up on Ebay, most claiming to have been CLA'd. James BTW The Ricohflex I bought yesterday now works perfectly. I removed the front and rear lens elements and used Q-Tips and MG Chemicals Audio/Video Head Cleaner to remove a load of oil from the shutter and Iris blades. I used this as it contains IPA and a Tetrafluoroethane, and found that the oil or residue was removed easily by evaporation. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
