Re: Metz SCA & K110D
Gosh, that's true! I tried my 40MZ-2 with the SCA3702 on the K100D, and in fact ISO, aperture and focal length (from F[A] lenses) are transmitted to the flash when the latter is set to A. This is the no-brainer it should be, at least the flash can do what the camera lacks. Results look properly exposed. Unfortunately, there's no way to dial in exposure correction. It's a pity this won't work as easy with my 45CL-4. But as this is a dumb old flash I can correct exposure by chosing different aperture values on the camera and the flash. I am still wondering whether I've got the right camera for my needs. (+) higher sensor ISO than compacts (+) noise reduction (+) a Pentax (+) fast enough for me (+) RSE can handle it's raw files (-) no pentaprism, as I've just learned (-) I do miss the mechanical aperture coupler, sorry for mentioning again (-) no program shift - I was really surprised about this omission (-) no TTL flash, only that P-TTL that doesn't seem to work right on newer models, and would mean new gear (or automatic mode with some limitations as described above) Should I consider trying to change my K100D for a *istDS, is TTL flash with my present gear and a pentaprism instead of shake reduction worth it? K10D is not an issue by now, flash seems to be a hassle, too, and I would have to seriously update my PC to handle the raw files. Hrmpf, Pancho Frits Wüthrich schrieb: > I thought the current adapter is the SAC3703? > > On my 40MZ-2 TTL didn't work very well, but automatic did work very well. The > ISO and aperture were transmitted to the 40MZ-2, so it was easy to work with. > > On Sunday 07 January 2007 21:48, Thibouille wrote: >> Yeah I know well I will try to do as simple as possible but since the >> subject is not, please be kind with me... >> >> Speaking about external flashes only (not RTF one). >> >> ist-D and ist-DS do support TTL (although with the D it really is not >> very reliable) >> all others DSLRs do NOT support TTL. >> >> In all the case, all DSLRs support P-TTL. >> >> Now the trick is... Metz has yet to produce an adapter which provides >> P-TTL support to their very good flashes which means that... even the >> most advanced Metz flash can at this time only work in neither TTL nor >> PTTL with Pentax DSLRs except ist-D and DS with which they will work >> in TTL mode. >> >> So in a word you're stuck with Auto and manual mode. They * should * >> work but... in read a couple times that 3702 has a couple problems in >> A mode with DSLRs... Howver 3701 has no problem. >> >> Of course Metz coming with a proper adapter would be a nice solution >> but for the time being... we are ... stuck shall I say :( >> >> Hope you see now why this stuff is complicated ... but Metz is right >> with their specifications... >> >> -- >> >> Thibault Massart aka Thibouille >> -- >> *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Metz SCA & K110D
Sorry, I misread your camera type as one of the MZ film bodies :-( Markus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Markus Maurer Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 7:02 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: Metz SCA & K110D Hi Guy you can try setting the aperture off the A auto position on the lens and at least then TTL flash with the Metz adapter should work. It does here with the 372 module and the Pentax SFXn. greetings Markus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of W. Guy Finley Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 6:24 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Metz SCA & K110D Well my SCA adapter showed up yesterday (along with my M 28/3.5 and my A 50/1.4 the day before) so I did a little shooting around the house yesterday in a target poor environment: http://www.flickr.com/photos/wgfinley/sets/72157594463628609/ It will take some getting used to and, even with the adapter, it doesn't support TTL with my 50 MZ-5. Interestingly enough the mode I had the most pain-free time with was strobe mode, it seemed to be overexposing a lot in Auto and Manual so I'll have to fiddle with some settings some more and figure out what I was doing wrong as I'm certain it's operator error! I am really impressed with the A 50/1.4, what a great lens, looks a complete slouch look talented! --Guy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Metz SCA & K110D
Hi Guy you can try setting the aperture off the A auto position on the lens and at least then TTL flash with the Metz adapter should work. It does here with the 372 module and the Pentax SFXn. greetings Markus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of W. Guy Finley Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 6:24 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Metz SCA & K110D Well my SCA adapter showed up yesterday (along with my M 28/3.5 and my A 50/1.4 the day before) so I did a little shooting around the house yesterday in a target poor environment: http://www.flickr.com/photos/wgfinley/sets/72157594463628609/ It will take some getting used to and, even with the adapter, it doesn't support TTL with my 50 MZ-5. Interestingly enough the mode I had the most pain-free time with was strobe mode, it seemed to be overexposing a lot in Auto and Manual so I'll have to fiddle with some settings some more and figure out what I was doing wrong as I'm certain it's operator error! I am really impressed with the A 50/1.4, what a great lens, looks a complete slouch look talented! --Guy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Metz SCA & K110D
I thought the current adapter is the SAC3703? On my 40MZ-2 TTL didn't work very well, but automatic did work very well. The ISO and aperture were transmitted to the 40MZ-2, so it was easy to work with. On Sunday 07 January 2007 21:48, Thibouille wrote: > Yeah I know well I will try to do as simple as possible but since the > subject is not, please be kind with me... > > Speaking about external flashes only (not RTF one). > > ist-D and ist-DS do support TTL (although with the D it really is not > very reliable) > all others DSLRs do NOT support TTL. > > In all the case, all DSLRs support P-TTL. > > Now the trick is... Metz has yet to produce an adapter which provides > P-TTL support to their very good flashes which means that... even the > most advanced Metz flash can at this time only work in neither TTL nor > PTTL with Pentax DSLRs except ist-D and DS with which they will work > in TTL mode. > > So in a word you're stuck with Auto and manual mode. They * should * > work but... in read a couple times that 3702 has a couple problems in > A mode with DSLRs... Howver 3701 has no problem. > > Of course Metz coming with a proper adapter would be a nice solution > but for the time being... we are ... stuck shall I say :( > > Hope you see now why this stuff is complicated ... but Metz is right > with their specifications... > > -- > > Thibault Massart aka Thibouille > -- > *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- Frits Wüthrich -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Metz SCA & K110D
To give Metz some further recognition of the situation we are in, I also sent them an e-mail last week about my TTL problem with the K10D. They told me that they expect to know more about their solution to P-TTL for Pentax DSLR's by March-April, but have no solution now other than just try A or M-mode. Meanwhile I'm having good results for the 32MZ-3 in A-mode with SCA 3701 on the K10D in Av-mode, so in my situation I can wait on further developments. Henk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thibouille Sent: 07 January, 2007 9:49 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Metz SCA & K110D Yeah I know well I will try to do as simple as possible but since the subject is not, please be kind with me... Speaking about external flashes only (not RTF one). ist-D and ist-DS do support TTL (although with the D it really is not very reliable) all others DSLRs do NOT support TTL. In all the case, all DSLRs support P-TTL. Now the trick is... Metz has yet to produce an adapter which provides P-TTL support to their very good flashes which means that... even the most advanced Metz flash can at this time only work in neither TTL nor PTTL with Pentax DSLRs except ist-D and DS with which they will work in TTL mode. So in a word you're stuck with Auto and manual mode. They * should * work but... in read a couple times that 3702 has a couple problems in A mode with DSLRs... Howver 3701 has no problem. Of course Metz coming with a proper adapter would be a nice solution but for the time being... we are ... stuck shall I say :( Hope you see now why this stuff is complicated ... but Metz is right with their specifications... -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Metz SCA & K110D
Yeah I know well I will try to do as simple as possible but since the subject is not, please be kind with me... Speaking about external flashes only (not RTF one). ist-D and ist-DS do support TTL (although with the D it really is not very reliable) all others DSLRs do NOT support TTL. In all the case, all DSLRs support P-TTL. Now the trick is... Metz has yet to produce an adapter which provides P-TTL support to their very good flashes which means that... even the most advanced Metz flash can at this time only work in neither TTL nor PTTL with Pentax DSLRs except ist-D and DS with which they will work in TTL mode. So in a word you're stuck with Auto and manual mode. They * should * work but... in read a couple times that 3702 has a couple problems in A mode with DSLRs... Howver 3701 has no problem. Of course Metz coming with a proper adapter would be a nice solution but for the time being... we are ... stuck shall I say :( Hope you see now why this stuff is complicated ... but Metz is right with their specifications... -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Metz SCA & K110D
SCA 3702 which is the adapter for almost all Pentax cameras. According to Metz' chart the *istD and the *istDS do TTL but TTL *only* which seems odd. The *ist, *istDL, K100D, K110D are all listed as manual or automatic modes only. --Guy On Jan 7, 2007, at 12:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > It is normal it doesn't support TTL. The K110D, K100D, K10D, DL/DL2 do > not support TTL and never will even if the flash/adapter combination > does. > > Could you tell us the exact adapter model, some are known to cause > exposure problems in A mode. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Metz SCA & K110D
It is normal it doesn't support TTL. The K110D, K100D, K10D, DL/DL2 do not support TTL and never will even if the flash/adapter combination does. Could you tell us the exact adapter model, some are known to cause exposure problems in A mode. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Metz SCA & K110D
Well my SCA adapter showed up yesterday (along with my M 28/3.5 and my A 50/1.4 the day before) so I did a little shooting around the house yesterday in a target poor environment: http://www.flickr.com/photos/wgfinley/sets/72157594463628609/ It will take some getting used to and, even with the adapter, it doesn't support TTL with my 50 MZ-5. Interestingly enough the mode I had the most pain-free time with was strobe mode, it seemed to be overexposing a lot in Auto and Manual so I'll have to fiddle with some settings some more and figure out what I was doing wrong as I'm certain it's operator error! I am really impressed with the A 50/1.4, what a great lens, looks a complete slouch look talented! --Guy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
