Re: Micro 4/3s the Dark-side

2012-05-29 Thread Steven Desjardins
The E-PL1 is sturdy as well.  The wrist strap broke today and it (the
EPL1 and the 17)  went about 3 ft down to concrete.  A little scuff is
all.  I used it the rest of the day and the shots were fine.  I guess
light camera just don't hit as hard.  :-o

On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Derby Chang  wrote:
>
> Another option for a wide, and don't mind manual focus, SLR Magic make a
> 12mm f1.6. Close focuses to 0.15m
>
> http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2011/10/20/the-slr-magic-12mm-f1-6-hyperprime-lens-review-for-micro-43-by-steve-huff/
>
>
> On 30/05/2012 4:39 AM, Don Guthrie wrote:
>>
>> Ah another enabler. It does not take much to my LBA fired up. Maybe next
>> month. Thanks Derby for the recommendation.
>>
>>
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Re: Micro 4/3s the Dark-side

2012-05-29 Thread Derby Chang


Another option for a wide, and don't mind manual focus, SLR Magic make a 
12mm f1.6. Close focuses to 0.15m


http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2011/10/20/the-slr-magic-12mm-f1-6-hyperprime-lens-review-for-micro-43-by-steve-huff/

On 30/05/2012 4:39 AM, Don Guthrie wrote:
Ah another enabler. It does not take much to my LBA fired up. Maybe 
next month. Thanks Derby for the recommendation.





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Re: Micro 4/3s the Dark-side

2012-05-29 Thread Don Guthrie
Ah another enabler. It does not take much to my LBA fired up. Maybe next 
month. Thanks Derby for the recommendation.




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I can really recommend the Pannie 14/2.8. Almost a pancake lens, and
does fantastic near-far wide shots.



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Re: Micro 4/3s the Dark-side

2012-05-29 Thread steve harley

on 2012-05-29 10:15 Don Guthrie wrote

Thanks for looking Bulent. The camera boots quickly, and is quick between
shots. I am shooting only jpg so far so ymmv. I am only using manual focus
lenses so my focusing is the limit on speed. The screen is pretty good for
focusing and if you have time magnifying can get you very precise focus. The
screen get's dark when manually setting aperture to f11 or more.


one nice thing about the GH2 is that the EVF, though somewhat crude, has a 
center zoom feature that works well for manual focus; that and it also boosts 
the brightness nicely when stopped down; together, those features make shooting 
with the super macro-takumar pretty fun



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e: Micro 4/3s the Dark-side

2012-05-29 Thread Don Guthrie
Oh Steven you are just an enabler! No don't twist my arm. Well maybe I 
can sneak it past the finance committee next month.





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I just did some looking, and Amazon has some used Lumix 14 2.8 lenses
for $185.



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Re: Micro 4/3s the Dark-side

2012-05-29 Thread Don Guthrie
I agree Jeffrey I did not even consider this 4/3s system until I saw the 
pentax adaptor. I don't know when I will buy an actual 4/3ds lens.





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I got an adapter to use some LTM lenses with a m4/3 Panasonic. What interests 
me the most is the Sony NEX and all of the adapters it has. I think Sigma's 
biggest mistake has been producing a dSLR that uses only Sigma lenses. If they 
had a dSLR that would (via adapter) use everyone else's lenses, that would be a 
keeper.

Jeffery


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Re: Micro 4/3s the Dark-side

2012-05-29 Thread Don Guthrie
I don't have 4/3rds lens to compare but I am pleased with the look of 
the Pentax glass. The $45.00 35-80 Pentax zoom works great but can't 
beat those primes. That 14mm will have to wait. I don't think of this as 
a landscape camera but it did work surprisingly well for hand-held 
close-up work using a cheap Raynox.






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You haven't really crossed to the darkside, at least you're using good
glass...However with that 2x crop you really don't have anything
that qualifies as wide angle,


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RE: Micro 4/3s the Dark-side

2012-05-29 Thread Don Guthrie
For now ny 28mm have to suffice. I have to remember that the focal 
length doesn't really double but the angle of view is narrowed to that 
of twice the focal length. So my 135mm is not 270 mm.


I did try my 10-20 mm sigma which is limited to f22 on this camera so 
focusing was a bit of a problem even with the wide angle. The results 
were a little soft. If I buy a 4/3s lens for this camera it will be wide.





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thats the problem with m43, to get wide angle you need to buy a 14mm lens.

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Re: Micro 4/3s the Dark-side

2012-05-29 Thread Don Guthrie
Thanks for looking Bulent. The camera boots quickly, and is quick 
between shots. I am shooting only jpg so far so ymmv. I am only using 
manual focus lenses so my focusing is the limit on speed. The screen is 
pretty good for focusing and if you have time magnifying can get you 
very precise focus. The screen get's dark when manually setting aperture 
to f11 or more. I did have good luck with some macro work shooting with 
one hand while holding a close-up lens on the camera with the other hand.


I am sure it would be very responsive with a 4/3s lens and auto-focus. I 
am having a lot of fun using the Pentax lenses and manually focusing & 
setting aperture. It is a very light package even the adapter and Pentax 
lenses. All in all it's  a high quality point and shoot with changeable 
lens.





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They look gorgeous (resolution- and color-wise) on screen.

Is it a "responsive" camera? (Important especially in situations like
that in your first image).


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Re: Micro 4/3s the Dark-side

2012-05-26 Thread steve harley

on 2012-05-25 19:10 Steven Desjardins wrote

I just did some looking, and Amazon has some used Lumix 14 2.8 lenses
for $185.


did you mean 14mm f/2.5? i don't see it that cheaply at the moment but note 
that there's a run of new ones at about that price on eBay (there was a recent 
Amazon special sale on GF3 and plus that lens from which a lot of people seem 
to be reselling the lens)


i have previously written of my foray in the M43 direction, a Panasonic GH2 
with one Lumix lens (45-200) plus M42 and PK adapters; it belongs to my partner 
but was assembled by me from second-hand sources; a nice lens to use on this is 
the Super Macro-Takumar 50/4 whose preset aperture ring is clickless which is 
nice for certain video effects, and also fast to operate for metering



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Re: Micro 4/3s the Dark-side

2012-05-26 Thread Derby Chang
I can really recommend the Pannie 14/2.8. Almost a pancake lens, and 
does fantastic near-far wide shots.





On 26/05/2012 11:10 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

I just did some looking, and Amazon has some used Lumix 14 2.8 lenses
for $185.

On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 9:06 PM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:

The E-Pl1 is a good body, and a great value for $169.  If you can grab
the Oly 17 or the Lumix 14 or 20 it becomes a great little
street/close quarters/ camera.

On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Jeffery Smith  wrote:

I got an adapter to use some LTM lenses with a m4/3 Panasonic. What interests 
me the most is the Sony NEX and all of the adapters it has. I think Sigma's 
biggest mistake has been producing a dSLR that uses only Sigma lenses. If they 
had a dSLR that would (via adapter) use everyone else's lenses, that would be a 
keeper.

Jeffery


On May 25, 2012, at 5:09 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote:


thats the problem with m43, to get wide angle you need to buy a 14mm lens.

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You haven't really crossed to the darkside, at least you're using good
glass... ;-)   However with that 2x crop you really don't have anything
that qualifies as wide angle,

On 5/25/2012 3:50 PM, Don Guthrie wrote:

I have  crossed the line&  purchased a 4/3s camera. My setup of camera
&  4 lenses cost less than $200!
Olympus Pen E PL1 body only  from Amazon $169.00, Pentax to Micro 4/3s
adapter off-brand $20.00 and
4 manual Pentax lens 28mm 50mm 135mm and 35-80 zoom.

Here are a few photos taken after I opened the box popped in the
battery and set the camera to Aperture priority.
Some from inside fast-food place and others of flowers outside my house.



http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/7268313246/in/set-72157629892440362/ligh
tbox/


I have a second batch to look at today. Looks like a usable waking
camera&  2nd camera for planned outings.
Next week there is a local festival here where I will try the movie mode.

It is great to get some use out of these lenses. They are  doubled
effective focal length which leaves me wanting something on the WA side.
But the 135mm does make for a small light 270mm.



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Re: Micro 4/3s the Dark-side

2012-05-25 Thread Steven Desjardins
I just did some looking, and Amazon has some used Lumix 14 2.8 lenses
for $185.

On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 9:06 PM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
> The E-Pl1 is a good body, and a great value for $169.  If you can grab
> the Oly 17 or the Lumix 14 or 20 it becomes a great little
> street/close quarters/ camera.
>
> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Jeffery Smith  wrote:
>> I got an adapter to use some LTM lenses with a m4/3 Panasonic. What 
>> interests me the most is the Sony NEX and all of the adapters it has. I 
>> think Sigma's biggest mistake has been producing a dSLR that uses only Sigma 
>> lenses. If they had a dSLR that would (via adapter) use everyone else's 
>> lenses, that would be a keeper.
>>
>> Jeffery
>>
>>
>> On May 25, 2012, at 5:09 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote:
>>
>>> thats the problem with m43, to get wide angle you need to buy a 14mm lens.
>>>
>>> -
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>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of P.
>>> J. Alling
>>> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 5:13 PM
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>>> Subject: Re: Micro 4/3s the Dark-side
>>>
>>> You haven't really crossed to the darkside, at least you're using good
>>> glass... ;-)   However with that 2x crop you really don't have anything
>>> that qualifies as wide angle,
>>>
>>> On 5/25/2012 3:50 PM, Don Guthrie wrote:
>>>> I have  crossed the line & purchased a 4/3s camera. My setup of camera
>>>> & 4 lenses cost less than $200!
>>>> Olympus Pen E PL1 body only  from Amazon $169.00, Pentax to Micro 4/3s
>>>> adapter off-brand $20.00 and
>>>> 4 manual Pentax lens 28mm 50mm 135mm and 35-80 zoom.
>>>>
>>>> Here are a few photos taken after I opened the box popped in the
>>>> battery and set the camera to Aperture priority.
>>>> Some from inside fast-food place and others of flowers outside my house.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/7268313246/in/set-72157629892440362/ligh
>>> tbox/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have a second batch to look at today. Looks like a usable waking
>>>> camera & 2nd camera for planned outings.
>>>> Next week there is a local festival here where I will try the movie mode.
>>>>
>>>> It is great to get some use out of these lenses. They are  doubled
>>>> effective focal length which leaves me wanting something on the WA side.
>>>> But the 135mm does make for a small light 270mm.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Micro 4/3s the Dark-side

2012-05-25 Thread Steven Desjardins
The E-Pl1 is a good body, and a great value for $169.  If you can grab
the Oly 17 or the Lumix 14 or 20 it becomes a great little
street/close quarters/ camera.

On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Jeffery Smith  wrote:
> I got an adapter to use some LTM lenses with a m4/3 Panasonic. What interests 
> me the most is the Sony NEX and all of the adapters it has. I think Sigma's 
> biggest mistake has been producing a dSLR that uses only Sigma lenses. If 
> they had a dSLR that would (via adapter) use everyone else's lenses, that 
> would be a keeper.
>
> Jeffery
>
>
> On May 25, 2012, at 5:09 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote:
>
>> thats the problem with m43, to get wide angle you need to buy a 14mm lens.
>>
>> -
>> J.C.O'Connell
>> hifis...@gate.net
>> -
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of P.
>> J. Alling
>> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 5:13 PM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: Micro 4/3s the Dark-side
>>
>> You haven't really crossed to the darkside, at least you're using good
>> glass... ;-)   However with that 2x crop you really don't have anything
>> that qualifies as wide angle,
>>
>> On 5/25/2012 3:50 PM, Don Guthrie wrote:
>>> I have  crossed the line & purchased a 4/3s camera. My setup of camera
>>> & 4 lenses cost less than $200!
>>> Olympus Pen E PL1 body only  from Amazon $169.00, Pentax to Micro 4/3s
>>> adapter off-brand $20.00 and
>>> 4 manual Pentax lens 28mm 50mm 135mm and 35-80 zoom.
>>>
>>> Here are a few photos taken after I opened the box popped in the
>>> battery and set the camera to Aperture priority.
>>> Some from inside fast-food place and others of flowers outside my house.
>>>
>>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/7268313246/in/set-72157629892440362/ligh
>> tbox/
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a second batch to look at today. Looks like a usable waking
>>> camera & 2nd camera for planned outings.
>>> Next week there is a local festival here where I will try the movie mode.
>>>
>>> It is great to get some use out of these lenses. They are  doubled
>>> effective focal length which leaves me wanting something on the WA side.
>>> But the 135mm does make for a small light 270mm.
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: Micro 4/3s the Dark-side

2012-05-25 Thread Jeffery Smith
I got an adapter to use some LTM lenses with a m4/3 Panasonic. What interests 
me the most is the Sony NEX and all of the adapters it has. I think Sigma's 
biggest mistake has been producing a dSLR that uses only Sigma lenses. If they 
had a dSLR that would (via adapter) use everyone else's lenses, that would be a 
keeper.

Jeffery


On May 25, 2012, at 5:09 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote:

> thats the problem with m43, to get wide angle you need to buy a 14mm lens.
> 
> -
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> hifis...@gate.net
> -
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of P.
> J. Alling
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 5:13 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Micro 4/3s the Dark-side
> 
> You haven't really crossed to the darkside, at least you're using good 
> glass... ;-)   However with that 2x crop you really don't have anything 
> that qualifies as wide angle,
> 
> On 5/25/2012 3:50 PM, Don Guthrie wrote:
>> I have  crossed the line & purchased a 4/3s camera. My setup of camera 
>> & 4 lenses cost less than $200!
>> Olympus Pen E PL1 body only  from Amazon $169.00, Pentax to Micro 4/3s 
>> adapter off-brand $20.00 and
>> 4 manual Pentax lens 28mm 50mm 135mm and 35-80 zoom.
>> 
>> Here are a few photos taken after I opened the box popped in the 
>> battery and set the camera to Aperture priority.
>> Some from inside fast-food place and others of flowers outside my house.
>> 
>> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/7268313246/in/set-72157629892440362/ligh
> tbox/ 
>> 
>> 
>> I have a second batch to look at today. Looks like a usable waking 
>> camera & 2nd camera for planned outings.
>> Next week there is a local festival here where I will try the movie mode.
>> 
>> It is great to get some use out of these lenses. They are  doubled 
>> effective focal length which leaves me wanting something on the WA side.
>> But the 135mm does make for a small light 270mm.
>> 
> 
> 
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RE: Micro 4/3s the Dark-side

2012-05-25 Thread J.C. O'Connell
thats the problem with m43, to get wide angle you need to buy a 14mm lens.

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Subject: Re: Micro 4/3s the Dark-side

You haven't really crossed to the darkside, at least you're using good 
glass... ;-)   However with that 2x crop you really don't have anything 
that qualifies as wide angle,

On 5/25/2012 3:50 PM, Don Guthrie wrote:
> I have  crossed the line & purchased a 4/3s camera. My setup of camera 
> & 4 lenses cost less than $200!
> Olympus Pen E PL1 body only  from Amazon $169.00, Pentax to Micro 4/3s 
> adapter off-brand $20.00 and
> 4 manual Pentax lens 28mm 50mm 135mm and 35-80 zoom.
>
> Here are a few photos taken after I opened the box popped in the 
> battery and set the camera to Aperture priority.
> Some from inside fast-food place and others of flowers outside my house.
>
>
http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/7268313246/in/set-72157629892440362/ligh
tbox/ 
>
>
> I have a second batch to look at today. Looks like a usable waking 
> camera & 2nd camera for planned outings.
> Next week there is a local festival here where I will try the movie mode.
>
> It is great to get some use out of these lenses. They are  doubled 
> effective focal length which leaves me wanting something on the WA side.
> But the 135mm does make for a small light 270mm.
>


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Re: Micro 4/3s the Dark-side

2012-05-25 Thread P. J. Alling
You haven't really crossed to the darkside, at least you're using good 
glass... ;-)   However with that 2x crop you really don't have anything 
that qualifies as wide angle,


On 5/25/2012 3:50 PM, Don Guthrie wrote:
I have  crossed the line & purchased a 4/3s camera. My setup of camera 
& 4 lenses cost less than $200!
Olympus Pen E PL1 body only  from Amazon $169.00, Pentax to Micro 4/3s 
adapter off-brand $20.00 and

4 manual Pentax lens 28mm 50mm 135mm and 35-80 zoom.

Here are a few photos taken after I opened the box popped in the 
battery and set the camera to Aperture priority.

Some from inside fast-food place and others of flowers outside my house.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/7268313246/in/set-72157629892440362/lightbox/ 



I have a second batch to look at today. Looks like a usable waking 
camera & 2nd camera for planned outings.

Next week there is a local festival here where I will try the movie mode.

It is great to get some use out of these lenses. They are  doubled 
effective focal length which leaves me wanting something on the WA side.

But the 135mm does make for a small light 270mm.




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Re: Micro 4/3s the Dark-side

2012-05-25 Thread Bulent Celasun
They look gorgeous (resolution- and color-wise) on screen.

Is it a "responsive" camera? (Important especially in situations like
that in your first image).

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2012/5/25 Don Guthrie :
> I have  crossed the line & purchased a 4/3s camera. My setup of camera & 4
> lenses cost less than $200!
> Olympus Pen E PL1 body only  from Amazon $169.00, Pentax to Micro 4/3s
> adapter off-brand $20.00 and
> 4 manual Pentax lens 28mm 50mm 135mm and 35-80 zoom.
>
> Here are a few photos taken after I opened the box popped in the battery and
> set the camera to Aperture priority.
> Some from inside fast-food place and others of flowers outside my house.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/7268313246/in/set-72157629892440362/lightbox/
>
> I have a second batch to look at today. Looks like a usable waking camera &
> 2nd camera for planned outings.
> Next week there is a local festival here where I will try the movie mode.
>
> It is great to get some use out of these lenses. They are  doubled effective
> focal length which leaves me wanting something on the WA side.
> But the 135mm does make for a small light 270mm.
>
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Micro 4/3s the Dark-side

2012-05-25 Thread Don Guthrie
I have  crossed the line & purchased a 4/3s camera. My setup of camera & 
4 lenses cost less than $200!
Olympus Pen E PL1 body only  from Amazon $169.00, Pentax to Micro 4/3s 
adapter off-brand $20.00 and

4 manual Pentax lens 28mm 50mm 135mm and 35-80 zoom.

Here are a few photos taken after I opened the box popped in the battery 
and set the camera to Aperture priority.

Some from inside fast-food place and others of flowers outside my house.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/7268313246/in/set-72157629892440362/lightbox/

I have a second batch to look at today. Looks like a usable waking 
camera & 2nd camera for planned outings.

Next week there is a local festival here where I will try the movie mode.

It is great to get some use out of these lenses. They are  doubled 
effective focal length which leaves me wanting something on the WA side.

But the 135mm does make for a small light 270mm.

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