Re: Re: My fork in the road-tell me which way to go!
Hi, Dag! Welcome on board the list! :-) Jostein - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 9:17 AM Subject: Re: Re: My fork in the road-tell me which way to go! There may be some misunderstanding here somewhere. BH claims under the specifications of the *ist: Lens mount KAF2 (also KAF, KA K mounts usable) Perhaps there still is some hope... Dag Fra: Bojidar Dimitrov [EMAIL PROTECTED] The prototypes that Pentax showed at PMA and CeBit fetured the crippled mount, so there is a small chance that the *ist will not meter properly with K and M lenses. On the positive side, Pentax has loudly said that the *ist D will fully support all lenses. Good luck with your decision. It's not an easy one! Boz
Re: My fork in the road-tell me which way to go!
According to Pentax Scandinavia the *ist has a KAF mount (not KAF2) and in the user manual (which is translated and ready) they will only list KAF2 (no power zoom), KAF and KA lenses in the compatibility chart. Not K-mount. The *ist D are going to have Pentax traditional K-mount compatibility. This is the goal of the technicians. The *ist D are probably not going to have a KAF2 mount, not KAF. Probably something else... I expect to see USM and IS lenses, and two more bodies in the *ist serie, within the next 12 months. The first *ist is the first model in a new serie which are going to replace the MZ-serie. (Pentax has promised that the *ist lineup will consist of three filmbased SLR's). It exist several rumours about those models, one is about a flagship with retro feel (to make LX users happy) and sealed design, another is about a mid market *ist and a third is about a junior *ist model. I don't believe in a junior model below the current *ist, because... * The design of the *ist D is very filmlike. It looks like a filmbased camera. A digital doesn't have to loo like a filmbased camera, because they don't have a film chamber. This may suggest that Pentax took an existing design and based the *ist D around this. * The flagship rumours are about a retro-designed camera, sort of an AF version of the classic LX. The design of the *ist D aren't retro at all. * The design of the *ist D, with HyperModes and twin control dials, are more advanced than the current *ist, this hints to a new *ist model - between the current *ist and the upcoming flagship (which will replace the current MZ-S, the flagship may be an update to the current MZ-S). Since the MZ-serie, the entry model in the serie has limited metering compatibility with lenses pre the A-serie from 1982 - so there's no surprise that the *ist has this too. Best wishes, Roland From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: My fork in the road-tell me which way to go! There may be some misunderstanding here somewhere. BH claims under the specifications of the *ist: Lens mount KAF2 (also KAF, KA K mounts usable) Perhaps there still is some hope... _
Re: My fork in the road-tell me which way to go!
Steve, I know it's tough, but my advice would be to hang fire. There are 2 very good reasons. 1. The *ist D is tantalisingly close now, and not giving it a few more months would be criminal - would you forgive yourself if you jumped to Nikon and all the world was jumping on the *ist D. Could happen. Of course I don't mean the entrenched N/C users, but this little *ist D could just be the DSLR that will bring serious digital to the mass market. Just depends on the pricing, and of course the reliability. (Interruption - point of information, Boz sez: If you can afford it, get the D100 now and be prepared to resell it when the Pentax DSLR is available and if it meets your needs. If you buy the D100 used, you will not lose much money reselling it. If Pentax somehow messes up the DSLR, well, then you have an alternative. Thank you, Boz) 2. I disagree. Nikon are obviously going to replace the D100, but not anytime real soon. This means that used D100 prices are still higher than they will be at news of a successor. Once a successor is announced, D100 prices will be cut in half. That might be later this year. Could be a dicey time to buy a D100. Waiting for the *ist D will alleviate this. Kill two birds with one stone. OTOH, this business of delaying the *ist doesn't exactly inspire confidence. I would bet you a pint of Fiddler's Elbow that the *ist D won't be on the shelf until back-to-school time OTOH, the D100 has seen a severe drop in new price since it was launched. Bit by bit, it has slipped and slided 50 notes here, 25 notes there, until it now resides firmly in Canon 10D land. Very astute of Nikon, and very aggresively priced. OTOH, the *ist D will take all your lovely lenses - must be worth waiting for. The worst thing that coud happen would be to buy Nikon now, the *ist D comes out, and you start fearing that you should have waited, then panic sell the D100 at a terrible loss. OTOH, --- as Tevye says in Fiddler On The Roof - - THERE IS NO OTHER HAND! (Hey that's two fiddlers in one email - I nearly changed the beer for something else just to avoid repetition, but heck, it's such a good beer, and it's such a good musical, so who's complainin???) Tough decision. I would wait until the *ist D comes out since you have all these Pentax lenses. But you do have a situation. Frankly, I think I would have gone Canon since Canon D30's and D60's are dropping in price as their users wait for the upgrade - the 10D I think that's the model. Not all their users are waiting for the upgrade, Jim. This user certainly is not. I am more than happy to stick. I note that I can trade in a D60 and 500 GBP for a 10D but frankly I wouldn't be tempted if it were a direct swap. Can't put my finger on why. It's worked beautifully since new, the ergonomics are superb for my hands, the controls fall easily to hand (they have changed on the 10D and I can't see the logic in it, Spock), the polycarbonate body is very sturdy, no creaks or groans, everything works and works well, just simply love the camera as a piece of design - don't like the bulbous rounded looks of the 10D ...oh yeah, I've been using it nearly 6 months and never had a problem with dust on the sensor - and boy you wanna see dust? We shovel it out by the dump-truck load. I use a broom to get the cat hair off my desk. Actually, a good blow is all you need (as the actress said to the bishop) with a rubber blower down the neck - dust on the sensor is highly overrated IMO. *ist D buyers take note. You won't have a problem. So, far from being caught up in the 'must upgrade' hype, I am quite a few years away from ditching a reliable and robust camera. Just like I was back in the 80s when I bought an MX. A couple of years later, did I upgrade? No - I bought another MX. Heck, when the shoe fits... Chuntering again, Cotty _ Oh swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/ _
Re: My fork in the road-tell me which way to go!
Hi Jostein! Its your fault :-) Dag På fredag, 28. mars 2003, kl. 15:40, skrev Jostein: Hi, Dag! Welcome on board the list! :-) Jostein - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 9:17 AM Subject: Re: Re: My fork in the road-tell me which way to go! There may be some misunderstanding here somewhere. BH claims under the specifications of the *ist: Lens mount KAF2 (also KAF, KA K mounts usable) Perhaps there still is some hope... Dag Fra: Bojidar Dimitrov [EMAIL PROTECTED] The prototypes that Pentax showed at PMA and CeBit fetured the crippled mount, so there is a small chance that the *ist will not meter properly with K and M lenses. On the positive side, Pentax has loudly said that the *ist D will fully support all lenses. Good luck with your decision. It's not an easy one! Boz
Re: My fork in the road-tell me which way to go!
I probably will wait until the *ist D is available. But 3 things concern me. 1. Nikon's D100 is now ahead of the *ist D in terms of a learning curve-ie bugs, firmware updates, etc. Will the *ist D be perfect out of the box? I highly doubt it, but I guess that's the price you pay to wait for it. 2. Nikon now has a line of internal focussing vibration reduction lenses-Pentax??? 3. Price. I can now buy a D100 for around $1500, use my AMEX buyer's guarantee program to price match down another $250, making my final purchase price $1250. Will the *ist D be in that price range? Thanks for the encouragement. It's getting harder every day that I see the D100 prices drop! --- Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve, I know it's tough, but my advice would be to hang fire. There are 2 very good reasons. 1. The *ist D is tantalisingly close now, and not giving it a few more months would be criminal - would you forgive yourself if you jumped to Nikon and all the world was jumping on the *ist D. Could happen. Of course I don't mean the entrenched N/C users, but this little *ist D could just be the DSLR that will bring serious digital to the mass market. Just depends on the pricing, and of course the reliability. (Interruption - point of information, Boz sez: If you can afford it, get the D100 now and be prepared to resell it when the Pentax DSLR is available and if it meets your needs. If you buy the D100 used, you will not lose much money reselling it. If Pentax somehow messes up the DSLR, well, then you have an alternative. Thank you, Boz) 2. I disagree. Nikon are obviously going to replace the D100, but not anytime real soon. This means that used D100 prices are still higher than they will be at news of a successor. Once a successor is announced, D100 prices will be cut in half. That might be later this year. Could be a dicey time to buy a D100. Waiting for the *ist D will alleviate this. Kill two birds with one stone. OTOH, this business of delaying the *ist doesn't exactly inspire confidence. I would bet you a pint of Fiddler's Elbow that the *ist D won't be on the shelf until back-to-school time OTOH, the D100 has seen a severe drop in new price since it was launched. Bit by bit, it has slipped and slided 50 notes here, 25 notes there, until it now resides firmly in Canon 10D land. Very astute of Nikon, and very aggresively priced. OTOH, the *ist D will take all your lovely lenses - must be worth waiting for. The worst thing that coud happen would be to buy Nikon now, the *ist D comes out, and you start fearing that you should have waited, then panic sell the D100 at a terrible loss. OTOH, --- as Tevye says in Fiddler On The Roof - - THERE IS NO OTHER HAND! (Hey that's two fiddlers in one email - I nearly changed the beer for something else just to avoid repetition, but heck, it's such a good beer, and it's such a good musical, so who's complainin???) Tough decision. I would wait until the *ist D comes out since you have all these Pentax lenses. But you do have a situation. Frankly, I think I would have gone Canon since Canon D30's and D60's are dropping in price as their users wait for the upgrade - the 10D I think that's the model. Not all their users are waiting for the upgrade, Jim. This user certainly is not. I am more than happy to stick. I note that I can trade in a D60 and 500 GBP for a 10D but frankly I wouldn't be tempted if it were a direct swap. Can't put my finger on why. It's worked beautifully since new, the ergonomics are superb for my hands, the controls fall easily to hand (they have changed on the 10D and I can't see the logic in it, Spock), the polycarbonate body is very sturdy, no creaks or groans, everything works and works well, just simply love the camera as a piece of design - don't like the bulbous rounded looks of the 10D ...oh yeah, I've been using it nearly 6 months and never had a problem with dust on the sensor - and boy you wanna see dust? We shovel it out by the dump-truck load. I use a broom to get the cat hair off my desk. Actually, a good blow is all you need (as the actress said to the bishop) with a rubber blower down the neck - dust on the sensor is highly overrated IMO. *ist D buyers take note. You won't have a problem. So, far from being caught up in the 'must upgrade' hype, I am quite a few years away from ditching a reliable and robust camera. Just like I was back in the 80s when I bought an MX. A couple of years later, did I upgrade? No - I bought another MX. Heck, when the shoe fits... Chuntering again, Cotty _ Oh swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/ _ __ Do you
Re: My fork in the road-tell me which way to go!
That new 24-120 AF-S, VR looks like a killer general purpose lens. But hey, Roland says Pentax will have all that good stuff in a year. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. Nikon now has a line of internal focussing vibration reduction lenses-Pentax???
Re: My fork in the road-tell me which way to go!
Thanks for the encouragement. It's getting harder every day that I see the D100 prices drop! Amen to that, brother! _ Oh swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/ _
Re: My fork in the road-tell me which way to go!
If believe the Canon 10D release came as a surprise for Nikon, especially the price. It seems like the Canon is the better camera, in terms of image quality. Well, it should be - it uses newer technology. And the *ist D, when it comes out in the summer or late summer, will have even newer technology. I would say that the technologies are different, but I would hesitate to say that one was better over the other. CCD vs CMOS. Each has strengths and weaknesses. Cot _ Oh swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/ _
Re: My fork in the road-tell me which way to go!
Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would say that the technologies are different, but I would hesitate to say that one was better over the other. CCD vs CMOS. Each has strengths and weaknesses. Here's a pretty good summary from a company that makes both: http://www.dalsa.com/markets/ccd_vs_cmos.asp -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: My fork in the road-tell me which way to go!
On 28 Mar 2003 at 16:14, Roland Mabo wrote: I expect to see USM and IS lenses, and two more bodies in the *ist serie, within the next 12 months. The first *ist is the first model in a new serie which are going to replace the MZ-serie. (Pentax has promised that the *ist lineup will consist of three filmbased SLR's). It exist several rumours about those models, one is about a flagship with retro feel (to make LX users happy) and sealed design, another is about a mid market *ist and a third is about a junior *ist model. I don't believe in a junior model below the current *ist, because... Where did you get all this info? If it was confirmed I'd be pretty positive, however... Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html Pentax user since 1986 PDMLer since 1998
Re: My fork in the road-tell me which way to go!
On 28 Mar 2003 at 15:57, Mark Roberts wrote: Here's a pretty good summary from a company that makes both: http://www.dalsa.com/markets/ccd_vs_cmos.asp It seems a little dated? Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html Pentax user since 1986 PDMLer since 1998
Re: My fork in the road-tell me which way to go!
It isn't info. It's in the realm of, The Little Engine That Could: I think I can, I think I can, I think I can. Or maybe it was the Wizard of OZ: I do believe, I do believe, I do believe. Better stop here before I step on someone's religious trip wire. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 28 Mar 2003 at 16:14, Roland Mabo wrote: I expect to see USM and IS lenses, Where did you get all this info? If it was confirmed I'd be pretty positive, however...
My fork in the road-tell me which way to go!
Well, here's my delima. A few months ago I purchased a Nikon N80, with the new 24-85 G lens and the new SB80 flash. Since then, I have also acquired a 70-210 4.5/5.6D lens. Nothing great, but the 24-85 is a nice lens. Main use is for the autofocus and flash abilities for my kids' sports, portraits, etc. My Pentax stuff is numerous. With a Super Program, MX (no auto focus bodies), and all the prime lenses. Recent acquisitions include the rare SMC-M 120, SMC-A 24, 28 3.5, and the 35 3.5, to go along with a 135 3.5, SMC-A 100 2.8. You see my pain? My delima-wait for the *ist D, or switch to the Nikon D100? The *ist D seems like it won't be available until late July/August. I have a trip to Hawaii end of April, and a trip to Orlando in May. I'm really having a hard time convincing myself to wait for the *ist D. But, I hate to give up these GREAT lenses, that would cost a fortune to replace with Nikon! Which way should I go??? __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com
Re: My fork in the road-tell me which way to go!
It's going to hurt which ever way you go, because of the focal length multiplication factor with either DSLR. Shoot film for one last summer. If you add a 50/1.8 to your Nikon kit that's all you would need for Orlando (leave the SB-80 home). Take the Pentax to Hawaii. Figure digital out in the fall. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, here's my delima. A few months ago I purchased a Nikon N80, with the new 24-85 G lens and the new SB80 flash. Since then, I have also acquired a 70-210 4.5/5.6D lens. Nothing great, but the 24-85 is a nice lens. Main use is for the autofocus and flash abilities for my kids' sports, portraits, etc. My Pentax stuff is numerous. With a Super Program, MX (no auto focus bodies), and all the prime lenses. Recent acquisitions include the rare SMC-M 120, SMC-A 24, 28 3.5, and the 35 3.5, to go along with a 135 3.5, SMC-A 100 2.8. You see my pain? My delima-wait for the *ist D, or switch to the Nikon D100? The *ist D seems like it won't be available until late July/August. I have a trip to Hawaii end of April, and a trip to Orlando in May. I'm really having a hard time convincing myself to wait for the *ist D. But, I hate to give up these GREAT lenses, that would cost a fortune to replace with Nikon! Which way should I go??? __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com
Re: My fork in the road-tell me which way to go!
Bruce, That is pretty good advice. Actually, the Hawaii trip is more of a MF trip, i.e. no kids. Disneyworld would be the AF trip. I think in the end, for my shooting, the focal length will be just fine (starting out at 36mm) for a digital SLR. I'm just so tired of the time delay, wasted photos, etc. with film. Digital is the future! Especially seeing the enlargement capabilities of a 6MP digital SLR. --- Bruce Rubenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's going to hurt which ever way you go, because of the focal length multiplication factor with either DSLR. Shoot film for one last summer. If you add a 50/1.8 to your Nikon kit that's all you would need for Orlando (leave the SB-80 home). Take the Pentax to Hawaii. Figure digital out in the fall. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, here's my delima. A few months ago I purchased a Nikon N80, with the new 24-85 G lens and the new SB80 flash. Since then, I have also acquired a 70-210 4.5/5.6D lens. Nothing great, but the 24-85 is a nice lens. Main use is for the autofocus and flash abilities for my kids' sports, portraits, etc. My Pentax stuff is numerous. With a Super Program, MX (no auto focus bodies), and all the prime lenses. Recent acquisitions include the rare SMC-M 120, SMC-A 24, 28 3.5, and the 35 3.5, to go along with a 135 3.5, SMC-A 100 2.8. You see my pain? My delima-wait for the *ist D, or switch to the Nikon D100? The *ist D seems like it won't be available until late July/August. I have a trip to Hawaii end of April, and a trip to Orlando in May. I'm really having a hard time convincing myself to wait for the *ist D. But, I hate to give up these GREAT lenses, that would cost a fortune to replace with Nikon! Which way should I go??? __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com
