OT: 645 format 50 Mpix from Hassie

2008-07-10 Thread timber
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0807/08070901Hasselblad.asp

Pentax 645D where are you? :D

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Re: OT: 645 format 50 Mpix from Hassie

2008-07-10 Thread Mark Roberts
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Re: OT: 645 format 50 Mpix from Hassie

2008-07-10 Thread P. J. Alling
Apparently hiding under the bed...

On the other hand the formula Megapixels = Megapirce seems to hold here. 


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Re: OT: 645 format 50 Mpix from Hassie

2008-07-10 Thread Steve Desjardins
Yeah.  I think the $40K price tag leaves a bit of room for other models.
 (What is the emoticon for overwhelming sarcasm?)

 P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/10/2008 8:36 AM 
Apparently hiding under the bed...

On the other hand the formula Megapixels = Megapirce seems to hold
here. 


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Re: OT: 645 format 50 Mpix from Hassie

2008-07-10 Thread P. J. Alling
Don't know, but I suppose it would help if I could spell price...

Steve Desjardins wrote:
 Yeah.  I think the $40K price tag leaves a bit of room for other models.
  (What is the emoticon for overwhelming sarcasm?)

   
 P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/10/2008 8:36 AM 
 
 Apparently hiding under the bed...

 On the other hand the formula Megapixels = Megapirce seems to hold
 here. 


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 http://www.dpreview.com/news/0807/08070901Hasselblad.asp 

 Pentax 645D where are you? :D

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Re: OT: 645 format 50 Mpix from Hassie

2008-07-10 Thread Adam Maas
Remember, they sell a couple dozen of these a month. Small production
runs means huge prices.

-Adam

On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yeah.  I think the $40K price tag leaves a bit of room for other models.
  (What is the emoticon for overwhelming sarcasm?)

 P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/10/2008 8:36 AM 
 Apparently hiding under the bed...

 On the other hand the formula Megapixels = Megapirce seems to hold
 here.


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://www.dpreview.com/news/0807/08070901Hasselblad.asp

 Pentax 645D where are you? :D

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Re: OT: 645 format 50 Mpix from Hassie

2008-07-10 Thread P. J. Alling
It seems on a per photo basis, (even a good size commercial operation), 
would never amortize one of these over their useful lifetime.  For most 
studios on a cost per shot basis it's would be less expensive using 
film.  (Ok, so that's not even back of the envelope calculations but 
that's what my gut tells me). 

Adam Maas wrote:
 Remember, they sell a couple dozen of these a month. Small production
 runs means huge prices.

 -Adam

 On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Yeah.  I think the $40K price tag leaves a bit of room for other models.
  (What is the emoticon for overwhelming sarcasm?)

 
 P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/10/2008 8:36 AM 
   
 Apparently hiding under the bed...

 On the other hand the formula Megapixels = Megapirce seems to hold
 here.


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 http://www.dpreview.com/news/0807/08070901Hasselblad.asp

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Re: OT: 645 format 50 Mpix from Hassie

2008-07-10 Thread Fernando
I suppose they rent it, right?

On 7/10/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It seems on a per photo basis, (even a good size commercial operation),
 would never amortize one of these over their useful lifetime.  For most
 studios on a cost per shot basis it's would be less expensive using
 film.  (Ok, so that's not even back of the envelope calculations but
 that's what my gut tells me).

 Adam Maas wrote:
  Remember, they sell a couple dozen of these a month. Small production
  runs means huge prices.
 
  -Adam
 
  On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Yeah.  I think the $40K price tag leaves a bit of room for other models.
   (What is the emoticon for overwhelming sarcasm?)
 
 
  P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/10/2008 8:36 AM 
 
  Apparently hiding under the bed...
 
  On the other hand the formula Megapixels = Megapirce seems to hold
  here.
 
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  http://www.dpreview.com/news/0807/08070901Hasselblad.asp
 
  Pentax 645D where are you? :D
 
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Re: OT: 645 format 50 Mpix from Hassie

2008-07-10 Thread Adam Maas
Most do.

-Adam

On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Fernando [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I suppose they rent it, right?

 On 7/10/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It seems on a per photo basis, (even a good size commercial operation),
 would never amortize one of these over their useful lifetime.  For most
 studios on a cost per shot basis it's would be less expensive using
 film.  (Ok, so that's not even back of the envelope calculations but
 that's what my gut tells me).

 Adam Maas wrote:
  Remember, they sell a couple dozen of these a month. Small production
  runs means huge prices.
 
  -Adam
 
  On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
 
  Yeah.  I think the $40K price tag leaves a bit of room for other models.
   (What is the emoticon for overwhelming sarcasm?)
 
 
  P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/10/2008 8:36 AM 
 
  Apparently hiding under the bed...
 
  On the other hand the formula Megapixels = Megapirce seems to hold
  here.
 
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  http://www.dpreview.com/news/0807/08070901Hasselblad.asp
 
  Pentax 645D where are you? :D
 
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Re: OT: 645 format 50 Mpix from Hassie

2008-07-10 Thread P. J. Alling
If you rent it sometimes you don't have it when you need it.  But that's 
a possibility.

Fernando wrote:
 I suppose they rent it, right?

 On 7/10/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 It seems on a per photo basis, (even a good size commercial operation),
 would never amortize one of these over their useful lifetime.  For most
 studios on a cost per shot basis it's would be less expensive using
 film.  (Ok, so that's not even back of the envelope calculations but
 that's what my gut tells me).

 Adam Maas wrote:
 
 Remember, they sell a couple dozen of these a month. Small production
 runs means huge prices.

 -Adam

 On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 Yeah.  I think the $40K price tag leaves a bit of room for other models.
  (What is the emoticon for overwhelming sarcasm?)


 
 P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/10/2008 8:36 AM 

   
 Apparently hiding under the bed...

 On the other hand the formula Megapixels = Megapirce seems to hold
 here.


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 http://www.dpreview.com/news/0807/08070901Hasselblad.asp

 Pentax 645D where are you? :D

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Re: OT: 645 format 50 Mpix from Hassie

2008-07-10 Thread pnstenquist
High-end commercial shooters can justify 40K for a camera. Some of the best 
gross that much in a couple days of shooting. And Hassy doesn't expect high 
volume, so that market alone probably absorbs much of their production. Then 
there are the ridiculously rich hobbyists who have to have the latest and 
greatest and for whom money is no object.
 -- Original message --
From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 If you rent it sometimes you don't have it when you need it.  But that's 
 a possibility.
 
 Fernando wrote:
  I suppose they rent it, right?
 
  On 7/10/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  It seems on a per photo basis, (even a good size commercial operation),
  would never amortize one of these over their useful lifetime.  For most
  studios on a cost per shot basis it's would be less expensive using
  film.  (Ok, so that's not even back of the envelope calculations but
  that's what my gut tells me).
 
  Adam Maas wrote:
  
  Remember, they sell a couple dozen of these a month. Small production
  runs means huge prices.
 
  -Adam
 
  On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 

  Yeah.  I think the $40K price tag leaves a bit of room for other models.
   (What is the emoticon for overwhelming sarcasm?)
 
 
  
  P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/10/2008 8:36 AM 
 

  Apparently hiding under the bed...
 
  On the other hand the formula Megapixels = Megapirce seems to hold
  here.
 
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  http://www.dpreview.com/news/0807/08070901Hasselblad.asp
 
  Pentax 645D where are you? :D
 
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Re: OT: 645 format 50 Mpix from Hassie

2008-07-10 Thread P. J. Alling
What about Mid level commercial shooters, I guess they do with out.  
(I'm glad I'm out of that game, I couldn't survive).

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 High-end commercial shooters can justify 40K for a camera. Some of the best 
 gross that much in a couple days of shooting. And Hassy doesn't expect high 
 volume, so that market alone probably absorbs much of their production. Then 
 there are the ridiculously rich hobbyists who have to have the latest and 
 greatest and for whom money is no object.
  -- Original message --
 From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
 If you rent it sometimes you don't have it when you need it.  But that's 
 a possibility.

 Fernando wrote:
 
 I suppose they rent it, right?

 On 7/10/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   
 It seems on a per photo basis, (even a good size commercial operation),
 would never amortize one of these over their useful lifetime.  For most
 studios on a cost per shot basis it's would be less expensive using
 film.  (Ok, so that's not even back of the envelope calculations but
 that's what my gut tells me).

 Adam Maas wrote:
 
 
 Remember, they sell a couple dozen of these a month. Small production
 runs means huge prices.

 -Adam

 On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   
 wrote:
 
   
   
 Yeah.  I think the $40K price tag leaves a bit of room for other models.
  (What is the emoticon for overwhelming sarcasm?)


 
 
 P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/10/2008 8:36 AM 

   
   
 Apparently hiding under the bed...

 On the other hand the formula Megapixels = Megapirce seems to hold
 here.


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Re: OT: 645 format 50 Mpix from Hassie

2008-07-10 Thread Fernando
My guess: full frame and occassionally rent a MF digital, or an old
hassy and a phase one digital back (owned or rented)

On 7/10/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What about Mid level commercial shooters, I guess they do with out.
 (I'm glad I'm out of that game, I couldn't survive).

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  High-end commercial shooters can justify 40K for a camera. Some of the best 
  gross that much in a couple days of shooting. And Hassy doesn't expect high 
  volume, so that market alone probably absorbs much of their production. 
  Then there are the ridiculously rich hobbyists who have to have the latest 
  and greatest and for whom money is no object.
   -- Original message --
  From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  If you rent it sometimes you don't have it when you need it.  But that's
  a possibility.
 
  Fernando wrote:
 
  I suppose they rent it, right?
 
  On 7/10/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  It seems on a per photo basis, (even a good size commercial operation),
  would never amortize one of these over their useful lifetime.  For most
  studios on a cost per shot basis it's would be less expensive using
  film.  (Ok, so that's not even back of the envelope calculations but
  that's what my gut tells me).
 
  Adam Maas wrote:
 
 
  Remember, they sell a couple dozen of these a month. Small production
  runs means huge prices.
 
  -Adam
 
  On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  wrote:
 
 
 
  Yeah.  I think the $40K price tag leaves a bit of room for other 
  models.
   (What is the emoticon for overwhelming sarcasm?)
 
 
 
 
  P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/10/2008 8:36 AM 
 
 
 
  Apparently hiding under the bed...
 
  On the other hand the formula Megapixels = Megapirce seems to hold
  here.
 
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
  http://www.dpreview.com/news/0807/08070901Hasselblad.asp
 
  Pentax 645D where are you? :D
 
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Re: OT: 645 format 50 Mpix from Hassie

2008-07-10 Thread pnstenquist
Mid level commercial photographers do just fine with Canon and Nikon. And if 
they get a job that really justifies medium format digital, they can rent 
equipment. But a mid level shooter who works for $2000 a day or so generally 
doesn't get work that justifies MF expenditure. Some, of course, shoot MF or 
large format film at that level.
Paul
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From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 What about Mid level commercial shooters, I guess they do with out.  
 (I'm glad I'm out of that game, I couldn't survive).
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  High-end commercial shooters can justify 40K for a camera. Some of the best 
 gross that much in a couple days of shooting. And Hassy doesn't expect high 
 volume, so that market alone probably absorbs much of their production. Then 
 there are the ridiculously rich hobbyists who have to have the latest and 
 greatest and for whom money is no object.
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  From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  If you rent it sometimes you don't have it when you need it.  But that's 
  a possibility.
 
  Fernando wrote:
  
  I suppose they rent it, right?
 
  On 7/10/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


  It seems on a per photo basis, (even a good size commercial operation),
  would never amortize one of these over their useful lifetime.  For most
  studios on a cost per shot basis it's would be less expensive using
  film.  (Ok, so that's not even back of the envelope calculations but
  that's what my gut tells me).
 
  Adam Maas wrote:
  
  
  Remember, they sell a couple dozen of these a month. Small production
  runs means huge prices.
 
  -Adam
 
  On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

  wrote:
  


  Yeah.  I think the $40K price tag leaves a bit of room for other 
  models.
   (What is the emoticon for overwhelming sarcasm?)
 
 
  
  
  P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/10/2008 8:36 AM 
 


  Apparently hiding under the bed...
 
  On the other hand the formula Megapixels = Megapirce seems to hold
  here.
 
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  
  http://www.dpreview.com/news/0807/08070901Hasselblad.asp
 
  Pentax 645D where are you? :D
 
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Re: OT: 645 format 50 Mpix from Hassie

2008-07-10 Thread Mark Roberts
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Mid level commercial photographers do just fine with Canon and Nikon. And if 
 they get a job that really justifies medium format digital, they can rent 
 equipment. But a mid level shooter who works for $2000 a day or so generally 
 doesn't get work that justifies MF expenditure. Some, of course, shoot MF or 
 large format film at that level.

I'm assuming the Hassy is for the big-name commercial guys who have $25k 
day rates?


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Re: OT: 645 format 50 Mpix from Hassie

2008-07-10 Thread pnstenquist
I would think so. But I bet that quite a few wealthy hobbyists buy them as well.
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 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Mid level commercial photographers do just fine with Canon and Nikon. And 
  if 
 they get a job that really justifies medium format digital, they can rent 
 equipment. But a mid level shooter who works for $2000 a day or so generally 
 doesn't get work that justifies MF expenditure. Some, of course, shoot MF or 
 large format film at that level.
 
 I'm assuming the Hassy is for the big-name commercial guys who have $25k 
 day rates?
 
 
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Re: OT: 645 format 50 Mpix from Hassie

2008-07-10 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I would think so. But I bet that quite a few wealthy hobbyists buy them as 
 well.

/de-lurk

I have been to several Hasselblad function where we get to test drive new
blads. My experience here in Sydney is that the most common users are
wedding photographers.

Their is a good showing of design/print houses and a few of the wealthy
hobbists, but I find mostly it is the crowd of wedding photogs who want,
or demand, the highest possible resolution.

Im not sure how or when, 35mm became a pro level camera for weddings,
but now that there is more glass available for the blads, many of wedding
photogs seem to moving back into MF.

Just my observations
Kevin

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Re: OT: 645 format 50 Mpix from Hassie

2008-07-10 Thread Mark Roberts
Kevin Waterson wrote:
 This one time, at band camp, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I would think so. But I bet that quite a few wealthy hobbyists buy them as 
 well.
 
 /de-lurk
 
 I have been to several Hasselblad function where we get to test drive new
 blads. My experience here in Sydney is that the most common users are
 wedding photographers.

If you're a wedding photographer who charges $5000-$10,000 (or more) per 
gig and whose clients are millionaires, you probably *need* a $40,000 
camera. Not for the image quality, necessarily, but as part of *your* 
image, with which you have to market yourself to that kind of customer.

Not a big deal for those guys - the camera will pay for itself fairly 
quickly and its depreciation written of as a business expense.

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