Re: OT: New Olympus Micro Four Thirds announcement
Steve, No matter whether there is a mirror in it or not, the camera will be at least as thick as a Pentax ME to mount a K-mount lens, which requires an ~45mm mount register. And the lenses are bulkier than they would be if the mount register were less as a consequence. The advantage of microFT is that the mount register is only 20mm vs 40mm so lenses built for microFT will be substantially smaller and lighter than lenses built for FT, even though the sensor format is the same. For instance, since the normal for FT is a 25mm lens, you can build a symmetrical design 25mm f/1.4 which will be FAR smaller than the inverted-telephoto design required for the SLR mount. A 21mm f/2 lens could be the same size or smaller than the DA21. An L1 body (which is a mostly rectangular box) with the FT mount register is 5.03 cm (1.98 inches) thick at the mount. A microFT L1 body could be 1.1 inches thick ... thinner than a Leica M. Godfrey On Aug 10, 2008, at 1:49 PM, Steve Desjardins wrote: > "Slim" might be the wrong word. Small? Light? It doesn't have to > fit > in my pocket, but I'd be curious how small a camera you could build > around a K mount lens. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: New Olympus Micro Four Thirds announcement
"Slim" might be the wrong word. Small? Light? It doesn't have to fit in my pocket, but I'd be curious how small a camera you could build around a K mount lens. >>> "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 8/10/2008 2:50 PM >>> You will still have the same flange to sensor distance, you can get rid of the Pentaprism but the camera will not be "slim". Steve Desjardins wrote: > It would be interesting to have slim EVF camera that would take the DA > limiteds. I still like to carry the DS with the DA 40. Make it smaller > with similar image quality and price it under $500 and I'd consider > buying it. > > Steven Desjardins > Department of Chemistry > Washington and Lee University > Lexington, VA 24450 > (540) 458-8873 > FAX: (540) 458-8878 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 8/10/2008 11:54 AM >>> > That, and the one at the bottom of the page, were what I was thinking > of. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> This one? >> >> > http://www.photokina-show.com/0466/pentax/digitalcameras/pentaxdigitalcameras/ > > >> .t >> >> >> >>> I thought they dragged it out again much more recently. >>> >>> Adam Maas wrote: >>> >>> Pentax showed something similar a number of years ago, not at the > last > PMA. -Adam On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 10:33 PM, P. J. Alling > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > I think Pentax showed some prototypes of this concept at the last > > PMA > > show. I remember seeing pictures on one of the Digital > > Photography web > > sites anyway, though not 4:3 system. > > > > >>> -- >>> You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word >>> > alone. > >>> --Al Capone. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >>> > and > >>> follow the directions. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:489f3977235271390217048! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: New Olympus Micro Four Thirds announcement
You will still have the same flange to sensor distance, you can get rid of the Pentaprism but the camera will not be "slim". Steve Desjardins wrote: > It would be interesting to have slim EVF camera that would take the DA > limiteds. I still like to carry the DS with the DA 40. Make it smaller > with similar image quality and price it under $500 and I'd consider > buying it. > > Steven Desjardins > Department of Chemistry > Washington and Lee University > Lexington, VA 24450 > (540) 458-8873 > FAX: (540) 458-8878 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 8/10/2008 11:54 AM >>> > That, and the one at the bottom of the page, were what I was thinking > of. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> This one? >> >> > http://www.photokina-show.com/0466/pentax/digitalcameras/pentaxdigitalcameras/ > > >> .t >> >> >> >>> I thought they dragged it out again much more recently. >>> >>> Adam Maas wrote: >>> >>> Pentax showed something similar a number of years ago, not at the > last > PMA. -Adam On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 10:33 PM, P. J. Alling > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > I think Pentax showed some prototypes of this concept at the last > > PMA > > show. I remember seeing pictures on one of the Digital > > Photography web > > sites anyway, though not 4:3 system. > > > > >>> -- >>> You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word >>> > alone. > >>> --Al Capone. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >>> > and > >>> follow the directions. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: New Olympus Micro Four Thirds announcement
It would be interesting to have slim EVF camera that would take the DA limiteds. I still like to carry the DS with the DA 40. Make it smaller with similar image quality and price it under $500 and I'd consider buying it. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 8/10/2008 11:54 AM >>> That, and the one at the bottom of the page, were what I was thinking of. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This one? > http://www.photokina-show.com/0466/pentax/digitalcameras/pentaxdigitalcameras/ > > .t > > >> I thought they dragged it out again much more recently. >> >> Adam Maas wrote: >> >>> Pentax showed something similar a number of years ago, not at the last >>> PMA. >>> >>> -Adam >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 10:33 PM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I think Pentax showed some prototypes of this concept at the last PMA show. I remember seeing pictures on one of the Digital Photography web sites anyway, though not 4:3 system. >>> >> -- >> You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. >> --Al Capone. >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> >> > > > > -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:489f14f837573192289227! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: New Olympus Micro Four Thirds announcement
That, and the one at the bottom of the page, were what I was thinking of. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This one? > http://www.photokina-show.com/0466/pentax/digitalcameras/pentaxdigitalcameras/ > > .t > > >> I thought they dragged it out again much more recently. >> >> Adam Maas wrote: >> >>> Pentax showed something similar a number of years ago, not at the last >>> PMA. >>> >>> -Adam >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 10:33 PM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I think Pentax showed some prototypes of this concept at the last PMA show. I remember seeing pictures on one of the Digital Photography web sites anyway, though not 4:3 system. >>> >> -- >> You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. >> --Al Capone. >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> >> > > > > -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: New Olympus Micro Four Thirds announcement
This one? http://www.photokina-show.com/0466/pentax/digitalcameras/pentaxdigitalcameras/ .t > I thought they dragged it out again much more recently. > > Adam Maas wrote: >> Pentax showed something similar a number of years ago, not at the last >> PMA. >> >> -Adam >> >> On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 10:33 PM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >>> I think Pentax showed some prototypes of this concept at the last PMA >>> show. I remember seeing pictures on one of the Digital Photography web >>> sites anyway, though not 4:3 system. >>> >>> >> >> > > > -- > You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. > --Al Capone. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: New Olympus Micro Four Thirds announcement
I thought they dragged it out again much more recently. Adam Maas wrote: > Pentax showed something similar a number of years ago, not at the last PMA. > > -Adam > > On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 10:33 PM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I think Pentax showed some prototypes of this concept at the last PMA >> show. I remember seeing pictures on one of the Digital Photography web >> sites anyway, though not 4:3 system. >> >> > > -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: New Olympus Micro Four Thirds announcement
Pentax showed something similar a number of years ago, not at the last PMA. -Adam On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 10:33 PM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think Pentax showed some prototypes of this concept at the last PMA > show. I remember seeing pictures on one of the Digital Photography web > sites anyway, though not 4:3 system. > -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: New Olympus Micro Four Thirds announcement
I think Pentax showed some prototypes of this concept at the last PMA show. I remember seeing pictures on one of the Digital Photography web sites anyway, though not 4:3 system. Adam Maas wrote: > As long as you can adapt M and LTM lenses I think it's going to be a > hit. It'll finally show the promise of the 4/3rds format for > super-compact largish sensor cameras. This is the sort of thing a lot > of people have been waiting for, a Leica CL digital. I'd like to see > Oly do a Ricoh GX100-style EVF for this (removable and tiltable EVF > that fits a standard hotshoe) > > I'd be interested in one of these with a 20mm f2 lens on it (Say a > rehash of the OM 21/2). Especially if it has in-body IS. > > -Adam > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Timber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Probably most of you heard about the new Micro Four Thirds system. Long >> story short: Oly/Pana is working on an interchangeable compact camera :D >> >> I believe this will bring a 'revolution' to low-price segment of >> photography by creating a new 'category', the interchangeable compacts >> (kicking bridge category in the rear) or it will fail and will be just a >> bad experiment. >> >> What do you think? Will it influence the DSLR market anyhow? >> >> .t >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> >> > > > > -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: New Olympus Micro Four Thirds announcement
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > On Aug 5, 2008, at 1:22 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > >> If they build one of those I'll knock you down to get ahead of you in >> the line to buy one ;-) > > lol ... > >> Seriously, with DSLR's moving inexorably toward full-frame 35mm >> format, >> I think the Four-Thirds system is looking for a long-term reason for >> being (let's skip the debate over the pros and cons of full-frame >> and if >> anyone "needs" it -- its desirability is entrenched in public >> perception >> isn't going to change). This (Micro Four Thirds) could be it. If they >> have the smarts to build the "Godfrey Cam" it would be brilliant. > > I find the whole "full frame" fanaticism thing such overbloated, > overhyped, overmarketed nonsense it nauseates me. As I said, I'd prefer to skip that debate: The important thing is that, overhyped or not, the majority of the camera-buying public has bought into the hype, and that spells trouble for the Four-Thirds system unless they can find another niche. They may have done so. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: New Olympus Micro Four Thirds announcement
On Aug 5, 2008, at 1:22 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > If they build one of those I'll knock you down to get ahead of you in > the line to buy one ;-) lol ... > Seriously, with DSLR's moving inexorably toward full-frame 35mm > format, > I think the Four-Thirds system is looking for a long-term reason for > being (let's skip the debate over the pros and cons of full-frame > and if > anyone "needs" it -- its desirability is entrenched in public > perception > isn't going to change). This (Micro Four Thirds) could be it. If they > have the smarts to build the "Godfrey Cam" it would be brilliant. I find the whole "full frame" fanaticism thing such overbloated, overhyped, overmarketed nonsense it nauseates me. I want a fine quality camera, as small and as light as possible (but not too small and light to be sensibly handle-able) that produces the quality I need with responsiveness, sensitivity, practical features and a sensibly complete line of top quality lenses (I don't need focal length coverage for every extreme known to photography, nor do I need to record black cats in unlit coal mines on any regular basis without being able to truck in some lights and a generator..). I know what I put in my brief is feasible with existing technology available now, and at a not astronomical price point. I hope they do it right. If they do, my daily camera baggage will become much lighter. :-) Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: New Olympus Micro Four Thirds announcement
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > my camera brief ... Summarizing: > > - not an SLR ... optical-electronic interface RF with AF option > - use the 4/3 10Mpixel sensor and SSWF cleaning system > - form factor target: the overall size and shape of a Leica CL > - use a short register to allow for more compact lenses and Leica M- > bayonet lens adaptability > - simple control layout similar to L1 > - high quality, weatherproof build like E-1, E-3 etc > - fully dedicated hot shoe flash > - standard small clip-on, bounce-capable flash to keep compact > - high quality in-camera optical tunnel viewfinder for a dedicated set > of fully compatible, fast, compact prime lenses (eg: 12/2.8, 19/2, > 25/1.4, 35/2, 50/2) > - 100% dedicated compatibility with all existing 4/3 DSLR lenses using > full function adapter (use EVF/LCD for precision framing/focusing with > zooms) > - compatibility with M-bayonet lenses through adapter with mechanical/ > electronic coupling for RF focusing; clip on optical viewfinders and > EVF/LCD functional too If they build one of those I'll knock you down to get ahead of you in the line to buy one ;-) Seriously, with DSLR's moving inexorably toward full-frame 35mm format, I think the Four-Thirds system is looking for a long-term reason for being (let's skip the debate over the pros and cons of full-frame and if anyone "needs" it -- its desirability is entrenched in public perception isn't going to change). This (Micro Four Thirds) could be it. If they have the smarts to build the "Godfrey Cam" it would be brilliant. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: New Olympus Micro Four Thirds announcement
Interesting. There is really no equivalent camera for the role the Leica RFs played in the film age. (The M8 is not doing it) Maybe this could. Oly can build a nice camera. I was really happy with the E-10 I had, although I am less pleased with the images I get from the Evolt 300 I have at school. >>> Timber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 8/5/2008 3:31 PM >>> Probably most of you heard about the new Micro Four Thirds system. Long story short: Oly/Pana is working on an interchangeable compact camera :D I believe this will bring a 'revolution' to low-price segment of photography by creating a new 'category', the interchangeable compacts (kicking bridge category in the rear) or it will fail and will be just a bad experiment. What do you think? Will it influence the DSLR market anyhow? ..t -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:4898aaab288432104819605! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: New Olympus Micro Four Thirds announcement
On Aug 5, 2008, at 12:31 PM, Timber wrote: > Probably most of you heard about the new Micro Four Thirds system. > Long > story short: Oly/Pana is working on an interchangeable compact > camera :D > > I believe this will bring a 'revolution' to low-price segment of > photography by creating a new 'category', the interchangeable compacts > (kicking bridge category in the rear) or it will fail and will be > just a > bad experiment. > > What do you think? Will it influence the DSLR market anyhow? If they build a camera per the brief I sent them a few months ago, I could do 90% or more of my work with it instead of bulkier, heavier, noisier SLRs. I personally don't really want it to be low-price if that implies some kind of consumer quality bridge camera. I want a professional quality camera, akin to what I used to work with in my Leica Ms, with lenses to match. I know Olympus and Panasonic/Leica have the optics experience to do it. What the decide upon per the market is the question. Godfrey -- my camera brief ... Summarizing: - not an SLR ... optical-electronic interface RF with AF option - use the 4/3 10Mpixel sensor and SSWF cleaning system - form factor target: the overall size and shape of a Leica CL - use a short register to allow for more compact lenses and Leica M- bayonet lens adaptability - simple control layout similar to L1 - high quality, weatherproof build like E-1, E-3 etc - fully dedicated hot shoe flash - standard small clip-on, bounce-capable flash to keep compact - high quality in-camera optical tunnel viewfinder for a dedicated set of fully compatible, fast, compact prime lenses (eg: 12/2.8, 19/2, 25/1.4, 35/2, 50/2) - 100% dedicated compatibility with all existing 4/3 DSLR lenses using full function adapter (use EVF/LCD for precision framing/focusing with zooms) - compatibility with M-bayonet lenses through adapter with mechanical/ electronic coupling for RF focusing; clip on optical viewfinders and EVF/LCD functional too -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: New Olympus Micro Four Thirds announcement
As long as you can adapt M and LTM lenses I think it's going to be a hit. It'll finally show the promise of the 4/3rds format for super-compact largish sensor cameras. This is the sort of thing a lot of people have been waiting for, a Leica CL digital. I'd like to see Oly do a Ricoh GX100-style EVF for this (removable and tiltable EVF that fits a standard hotshoe) I'd be interested in one of these with a 20mm f2 lens on it (Say a rehash of the OM 21/2). Especially if it has in-body IS. -Adam On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Timber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Probably most of you heard about the new Micro Four Thirds system. Long > story short: Oly/Pana is working on an interchangeable compact camera :D > > I believe this will bring a 'revolution' to low-price segment of > photography by creating a new 'category', the interchangeable compacts > (kicking bridge category in the rear) or it will fail and will be just a > bad experiment. > > What do you think? Will it influence the DSLR market anyhow? > > .t > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT: New Olympus Micro Four Thirds announcement
Probably most of you heard about the new Micro Four Thirds system. Long story short: Oly/Pana is working on an interchangeable compact camera :D I believe this will bring a 'revolution' to low-price segment of photography by creating a new 'category', the interchangeable compacts (kicking bridge category in the rear) or it will fail and will be just a bad experiment. What do you think? Will it influence the DSLR market anyhow? .t -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
