Re: OT- Another freaking Winter Storm Warning....

2010-02-09 Thread Tom C
Don't St. Bernards carry a barrel of brandy around their necks for
medicinal purposes.  Definitely don't forget the St. Bernards.

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
 [...]
 
 A WINTER STORM WARNING MEANS SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF SNOW ARE
 EXPECTED
 OR OCCURRING. THE COMBINATION OF SNOW AND STRONG WINDS WILL
 MAKE TRAVEL
 VERY HAZARDOUS.
 
 Send the St. Bernards.

 Lucky you! My wife gave me a toboggan for my 54th birthday
 and there isn't enough snow here in Nova Scotia to try it out! :-o


 In that case, send him the toboggan and keep the St. Bernard for yourself.

 Bob


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Re: OT- Another freaking Winter Storm Warning....

2010-02-09 Thread frank theriault
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 6:38 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:

 When life gives you snow, go sit in it, have a beer and relax

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5643143

I say winter is to be enjoyed and embraced.  Nice Canadian shot, Dave!

cheers,
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Re: OT- Another freaking Winter Storm Warning....

2010-02-09 Thread David Savage
On 9 February 2010 07:38, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote:
 On 8/2/10, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed:

Ha!  Yeah BTDT during the first one... But we made our flight to Oz!

 Batten down the hatches and stay warm and safe.

Thanks frank!

 Go sit out on that freakin patio you built ;-)

 When life gives you snow, go sit in it, have a beer and relax

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5643143

LOL. Love it.

I was doing exactly that (but actually on a beach :-) a couple of weeks ago.

DS

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Re: OT- Another freaking Winter Storm Warning....

2010-02-09 Thread John Sessoms

From: Christian

On 2/8/2010 4:50 PM, frank theriault wrote:

 On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Christianpterali...@aim.com  wrote:

 This is crazy.

  From the national weather service (which has been freakily accurate with
 snow totals these past couple of months):

 ...WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT FROM NOON TUESDAY TO 7 PM EST
 WEDNESDAY...

 THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN STERLING VIRGINIA HAS ISSUED A
 WINTER STORM WARNING FOR...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM NOON TUESDAY
 TO 7 PM EST WEDNESDAY. THE WINTER STORM WATCH IS NO LONGER IN
 EFFECT.

 * PRECIPITATION TYPE...SNOW.

 * ACCUMULATIONS...10 TO 20 INCHES.

 A WINTER STORM WARNING MEANS SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF SNOW ARE
 EXPECTED OR OCCURRING. THE COMBINATION OF SNOW AND STRONG WINDS
 WILL MAKE TRAVEL VERY HAZARDOUS.

 Send the St. Bernards.


 What?

 You've got over 24 hours to prepare.  Where's the problem?


It's just been one after another after another...  And it doesn't snow 
here!  :-)   Does global warming make it snow more?  I'm so confused... 
(kidding, dammit, people, I'm kidding!)


If I understand how global warming has been explained to me, more snow 
may be a result.


The way I understand it, global warming causes greater variability in 
weather patterns ... you get the same kinds of weather you always got, 
but going more towards the extremes.


We got worse drought in the southeast for several years, now we're 
getting more bad winter weather - more frequent snows.


Look for summers to get wetter with heavier rains for a while - then 
it'll cycle back to drought again.


Global warming means there's more energy pumped into the weather cycles. 
It's like hitting a spinning top with a ball peen hammer. The top 
continues to spin, but it gets a whole lot wobblier.


The mathematical model can tell you if you smack it hard enough it will 
fall over. Just can't tell you where it's going to land.


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Re: OT- Another freaking Winter Storm Warning....

2010-02-09 Thread frank theriault
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:36 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 The way I understand it, global warming causes greater variability in
 weather patterns ... you get the same kinds of weather you always got, but
 going more towards the extremes.

 We got worse drought in the southeast for several years, now we're getting
 more bad winter weather - more frequent snows.

 Look for summers to get wetter with heavier rains for a while - then it'll
 cycle back to drought again.

 Global warming means there's more energy pumped into the weather cycles.
 It's like hitting a spinning top with a ball peen hammer. The top continues
 to spin, but it gets a whole lot wobblier.

 The mathematical model can tell you if you smack it hard enough it will fall
 over. Just can't tell you where it's going to land.

Not that I want to get into YAGWFW (yet another global warming flame
war), it's all about global averages, isn't it?  Local weather may be
colder or more snowy than usual, but Virginia's snowstorms may be
balanced out by the fact that Toronto's winters have been much milder
of late than in the past (last year being an exception to that trend).

We've had a pretty mild winter this year, with lots of rain and almost
not snow.  Thirty years ago it would have been much colder and
snowier.

cheers,
frank


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Re: OT- Another freaking Winter Storm Warning....

2010-02-09 Thread John Sessoms

From: frank theriault

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:36 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 The way I understand it, global warming causes greater variability in
 weather patterns ... you get the same kinds of weather you always got, but
 going more towards the extremes.

 We got worse drought in the southeast for several years, now we're getting
 more bad winter weather - more frequent snows.

 Look for summers to get wetter with heavier rains for a while - then it'll
 cycle back to drought again.

 Global warming means there's more energy pumped into the weather cycles.
 It's like hitting a spinning top with a ball peen hammer. The top continues
 to spin, but it gets a whole lot wobblier.

 The mathematical model can tell you if you smack it hard enough it will fall
 over. Just can't tell you where it's going to land.


Not that I want to get into YAGWFW (yet another global warming flame
war), it's all about global averages, isn't it?  Local weather may be
colder or more snowy than usual, but Virginia's snowstorms may be
balanced out by the fact that Toronto's winters have been much milder
of late than in the past (last year being an exception to that trend).

We've had a pretty mild winter this year, with lots of rain and almost
not snow.  Thirty years ago it would have been much colder and
snowier.


And that is what I understand to be consistent with the mathematical 
models as they've been explained to me. I'm a little weak in math, so I 
have to get stuff like that translated into hillbilly English before I 
can understand it.


Some years Toronto has mild winters, some years Toronto has bad winters.

As the effects of global warming accumulate, the extremes of that 
variability will increase - the mild winters will be milder, the bad 
winters will be snowier. Over the long term there will be some bias 
towards greater numbers of mild winters, but the main effect the models 
predict is greater variability.


And if the effects of milder winters spreads far enough north and south, 
and are sustained for long enough a lot of water that's currently locked 
up in glaciers could get let loose into the seas, which would affect sea 
levels, salinity, ocean currents ... a lot of complex systems that we 
don't quite yet understand.


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Re: OT- Another freaking Winter Storm Warning....

2010-02-09 Thread P. J. Alling

On 2/9/2010 10:10 AM, frank theriault wrote:

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 6:38 PM, David J Brookspentko...@gmail.com  wrote:

   

When life gives you snow, go sit in it, have a beer and relax

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5643143
 

I say winter is to be enjoyed and embraced.  Nice Canadian shot, Dave!

cheers,
frank

   
Spoken like a true Canadian, after all, isn't winter one of your major 
exports.


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Re: OT- Another freaking Winter Storm Warning....

2010-02-09 Thread P. J. Alling

That's just an old wive's tail, and a damned disappointment to boot

On 2/9/2010 9:26 AM, Tom C wrote:

Don't St. Bernards carry a barrel of brandy around their necks for
medicinal purposes.  Definitely don't forget the St. Bernards.

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Bob Wp...@web-options.com  wrote:
   

[...]
 

A WINTER STORM WARNING MEANS SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF SNOW ARE
 

EXPECTED
   

OR OCCURRING. THE COMBINATION OF SNOW AND STRONG WINDS WILL
 

MAKE TRAVEL
   

VERY HAZARDOUS.

Send the St. Bernards.
 

Lucky you! My wife gave me a toboggan for my 54th birthday
and there isn't enough snow here in Nova Scotia to try it out!:-o

   

In that case, send him the toboggan and keep the St. Bernard for yourself.

Bob


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Re: OT- Another freaking Winter Storm Warning....

2010-02-09 Thread P. J. Alling

On 2/9/2010 10:36 AM, John Sessoms wrote:

From: Christian

On 2/8/2010 4:50 PM, frank theriault wrote:

 On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Christianpterali...@aim.com  wrote:

 This is crazy.

  From the national weather service (which has been freakily 
accurate with

 snow totals these past couple of months):

 ...WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT FROM NOON TUESDAY TO 7 PM EST
 WEDNESDAY...

 THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN STERLING VIRGINIA HAS ISSUED A
 WINTER STORM WARNING FOR...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM NOON TUESDAY
 TO 7 PM EST WEDNESDAY. THE WINTER STORM WATCH IS NO LONGER IN
 EFFECT.

 * PRECIPITATION TYPE...SNOW.

 * ACCUMULATIONS...10 TO 20 INCHES.

 A WINTER STORM WARNING MEANS SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF SNOW ARE
 EXPECTED OR OCCURRING. THE COMBINATION OF SNOW AND STRONG WINDS
 WILL MAKE TRAVEL VERY HAZARDOUS.

 Send the St. Bernards.


 What?

 You've got over 24 hours to prepare.  Where's the problem?


It's just been one after another after another...  And it doesn't 
snow here!  :-)   Does global warming make it snow more?  I'm so 
confused... (kidding, dammit, people, I'm kidding!)


If I understand how global warming has been explained to me, more snow 
may be a result.


The way I understand it, global warming causes greater variability in 
weather patterns ... you get the same kinds of weather you always got, 
but going more towards the extremes.


We got worse drought in the southeast for several years, now we're 
getting more bad winter weather - more frequent snows.


Look for summers to get wetter with heavier rains for a while - then 
it'll cycle back to drought again.


Global warming means there's more energy pumped into the weather 
cycles. It's like hitting a spinning top with a ball peen hammer. The 
top continues to spin, but it gets a whole lot wobblier.


The mathematical model can tell you if you smack it hard enough it 
will fall over. Just can't tell you where it's going to land.





As I see it this is about the kind of weather we've had for about 100 
years.  The climate has warmed the climate has cooled.  We've gone into 
a cooling trend.  Hopefully the world will come out of it before the Ice 
begins to spread.  Ah yes I remeber those Halcyon days of the 1970's 
when Time Newsweek and the NYT ran headlines about the coming ice age.  
(Though the prescription on how to deal with our imminent doom was 
somehow the same).


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Re: OT- Another freaking Winter Storm Warning....

2010-02-09 Thread Graydon
On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 10:47:21AM -0500, frank theriault scripsit:
 Not that I want to get into YAGWFW (yet another global warming flame
 war), it's all about global averages, isn't it?  Local weather may be
 colder or more snowy than usual, but Virginia's snowstorms may be
 balanced out by the fact that Toronto's winters have been much milder
 of late than in the past (last year being an exception to that trend).

Well, there's some of that, but there's also warmer = more
evaporation, and all that water has to eventually fall out of the sky,
which it is going to do that at unhelpful rates and in surprising places some
of the time.

 We've had a pretty mild winter this year, with lots of rain and almost
 not snow.  Thirty years ago it would have been much colder and
 snowier.

And there wouldn't have been the cool, wet spring that lasted until the
end of July, either.

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OT- Another freaking Winter Storm Warning....

2010-02-08 Thread Christian

This is crazy.

From the national weather service (which has been freakily accurate 
with snow totals these past couple of months):


...WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT FROM NOON TUESDAY TO 7 PM EST
WEDNESDAY...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN STERLING VIRGINIA HAS ISSUED A
WINTER STORM WARNING FOR...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM NOON TUESDAY
TO 7 PM EST WEDNESDAY. THE WINTER STORM WATCH IS NO LONGER IN
EFFECT.

* PRECIPITATION TYPE...SNOW.

* ACCUMULATIONS...10 TO 20 INCHES.

A WINTER STORM WARNING MEANS SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF SNOW ARE
EXPECTED OR OCCURRING. THE COMBINATION OF SNOW AND STRONG WINDS
WILL MAKE TRAVEL VERY HAZARDOUS.

Send the St. Bernards.


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Re: OT- Another freaking Winter Storm Warning....

2010-02-08 Thread frank theriault
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Christian pterali...@aim.com wrote:
 This is crazy.

 From the national weather service (which has been freakily accurate with
 snow totals these past couple of months):

 ...WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT FROM NOON TUESDAY TO 7 PM EST
 WEDNESDAY...

 THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN STERLING VIRGINIA HAS ISSUED A
 WINTER STORM WARNING FOR...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM NOON TUESDAY
 TO 7 PM EST WEDNESDAY. THE WINTER STORM WATCH IS NO LONGER IN
 EFFECT.

 * PRECIPITATION TYPE...SNOW.

 * ACCUMULATIONS...10 TO 20 INCHES.

 A WINTER STORM WARNING MEANS SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF SNOW ARE
 EXPECTED OR OCCURRING. THE COMBINATION OF SNOW AND STRONG WINDS
 WILL MAKE TRAVEL VERY HAZARDOUS.

 Send the St. Bernards.

What?

You've got over 24 hours to prepare.  Where's the problem?  Get lots
of Kraft Dinner (I believe you people call it Kraft Mac  Cheese),
chips and beer.  Oh yeah, and coffee, make sure you have coffee.  Make
sure you have a way to stay warm if the power goes out (firewood,
portable heaters and generators to power them, etc.).

It'll all be good.  Just don't be a hero and try driving in it.
Batten down the hatches and stay warm and safe.

cheers,
frank

ps:  just joking with those first couple of sentences.

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Re: OT- Another freaking Winter Storm Warning....

2010-02-08 Thread Doug Franklin

On 2010-02-08 16:50, frank theriault wrote:


of Kraft Dinner (I believe you people call it Kraft Mac  Cheese),
chips and beer.  Oh yeah, and coffee, make sure you have coffee.  Make
sure you have a way to stay warm if the power goes out (firewood,
portable heaters and generators to power them, etc.).


Screw all that, get smokes and beer!

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Re: OT- Another freaking Winter Storm Warning....

2010-02-08 Thread frank theriault
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Doug Franklin jehosep...@mindspring.com wrote:

 Screw all that, get smokes and beer!

I don't smoke anymore, so that didn't occur to me.  But yes, if you
smoke, absolutely.  It's all about being comfortable...

;-)

cheers,
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Re: OT- Another freaking Winter Storm Warning....

2010-02-08 Thread Christian

On 2/8/2010 4:50 PM, frank theriault wrote:

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Christianpterali...@aim.com  wrote:

This is crazy.

 From the national weather service (which has been freakily accurate with
snow totals these past couple of months):

...WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT FROM NOON TUESDAY TO 7 PM EST
WEDNESDAY...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN STERLING VIRGINIA HAS ISSUED A
WINTER STORM WARNING FOR...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM NOON TUESDAY
TO 7 PM EST WEDNESDAY. THE WINTER STORM WATCH IS NO LONGER IN
EFFECT.

* PRECIPITATION TYPE...SNOW.

* ACCUMULATIONS...10 TO 20 INCHES.

A WINTER STORM WARNING MEANS SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF SNOW ARE
EXPECTED OR OCCURRING. THE COMBINATION OF SNOW AND STRONG WINDS
WILL MAKE TRAVEL VERY HAZARDOUS.

Send the St. Bernards.


What?

You've got over 24 hours to prepare.  Where's the problem?


It's just been one after another after another...  And it doesn't snow 
here! :-)  Does global warming make it snow more?  I'm so confused... 
(kidding, dammit, people, I'm kidding!)




Just don't be a hero and try driving in it.


Ha!  Yeah BTDT during the first one... But we made our flight to Oz!


Batten down the hatches and stay warm and safe.


Thanks frank!


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Re: OT- Another freaking Winter Storm Warning....

2010-02-08 Thread Cotty
On 8/2/10, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed:

Ha!  Yeah BTDT during the first one... But we made our flight to Oz!

 Batten down the hatches and stay warm and safe.

Thanks frank!

Go sit out on that freakin patio you built ;-)

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Re: OT- Another freaking Winter Storm Warning....

2010-02-08 Thread Steve Sharpe

At 4:41 PM -0500 2/8/10, Christian wrote:

This is crazy.

From the national weather service (which has been freakily accurate 
with snow totals these past couple of months):


...WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT FROM NOON TUESDAY TO 7 PM EST
WEDNESDAY...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN STERLING VIRGINIA HAS ISSUED A
WINTER STORM WARNING FOR...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM NOON TUESDAY
TO 7 PM EST WEDNESDAY. THE WINTER STORM WATCH IS NO LONGER IN
EFFECT.

* PRECIPITATION TYPE...SNOW.

* ACCUMULATIONS...10 TO 20 INCHES.

A WINTER STORM WARNING MEANS SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF SNOW ARE
EXPECTED OR OCCURRING. THE COMBINATION OF SNOW AND STRONG WINDS
WILL MAKE TRAVEL VERY HAZARDOUS.

Send the St. Bernards.


Lucky you! My wife gave me a toboggan for my 54th birthday and there 
isn't enough snow here in Nova Scotia to try it out! :-o


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RE: OT- Another freaking Winter Storm Warning....

2010-02-08 Thread Bob W
[...]
 
 A WINTER STORM WARNING MEANS SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF SNOW ARE 
 EXPECTED 
 OR OCCURRING. THE COMBINATION OF SNOW AND STRONG WINDS WILL 
 MAKE TRAVEL 
 VERY HAZARDOUS.
 
 Send the St. Bernards.
 
 Lucky you! My wife gave me a toboggan for my 54th birthday 
 and there isn't enough snow here in Nova Scotia to try it out! :-o
 

In that case, send him the toboggan and keep the St. Bernard for yourself.

Bob


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Re: OT- Another freaking Winter Storm Warning....

2010-02-08 Thread David J Brooks
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote:
 On 8/2/10, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed:

Ha!  Yeah BTDT during the first one... But we made our flight to Oz!

 Batten down the hatches and stay warm and safe.

Thanks frank!

 Go sit out on that freakin patio you built ;-)

When life gives you snow, go sit in it, have a beer and relax

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5643143

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