Re: Olympics sets limits on amature lens size.
It wasn't about the athletes even then. What annoys me about the Olympics is not the commercialism but the whiff of idealism it still tries to cloak itself in. In my opinion, anything that calls itself a movement has more in common with what the medical establishment calls a movement than anything else. On 6/7/2012 11:51 AM, John Sessoms wrote: From: "Bob W" The entire games are a giant corporate stitch-up, so this sort of thing comes as no surprise. I'd rather see a scaled-down games with less corporate sponsorship and 'hospitality' and something on a more human scale geared towards ordinary people, even if it wasn't so spectacular. B Ain't never going to happen again in this lifetime. If you want to see Olympics that's actually about the athletes, invent a time machine and go back to ancient Greece. -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Olympics sets limits on amature lens size.
You forgot the other prohibition - "large cameras". You can take your 300/2.8 in, but not the camera body it's mounted on. From: John Francis Only lenses over 30cm prohibited? That's quite permissive by today's standards. for the US Figure Skating championships the limit was below that; I think the 50-135 might just have been allowed, but the 60-250 definitely wasn't. But with a 30cm guideline the A* 300/2.8 (even with the 1.7x AF adapter) falls within the length limits. As does an A 400/5.6 (but not an A*/2.8). I wouldn't want to be shooting anything much larger than that hand-held. The rules are at least partially there to prevent you being a dick and blocking the view of the person in the seat next to you by sticking a honking great camera right in their field of view. If I were going to the Olympics I'd be giving serious consideration to an OM-D with the 75-300 - that's a whole lot easier to carry around. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Olympics sets limits on amature lens size.
From: "Bob W" The entire games are a giant corporate stitch-up, so this sort of thing comes as no surprise. I'd rather see a scaled-down games with less corporate sponsorship and 'hospitality' and something on a more human scale geared towards ordinary people, even if it wasn't so spectacular. B Ain't never going to happen again in this lifetime. If you want to see Olympics that's actually about the athletes, invent a time machine and go back to ancient Greece. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Olympics sets limits on amature lens size.
Hell, Frank, rant away. I suspect there is a lot of truth in what you say. If the seats are packed in tight, I could also imagine that trying to shoot with a really long lens could be annoying to those around him/her. Especially once they've set up the tripod ;-) On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 12:24 AM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: > You're right. 300mm is quite liberal, reasonable and permissive. Upon > reconsideration my previous post was over reacting and just plain wrong. > > I would withdraw that post were it possible to do so, but since I can't, > please accept my apologies for having posted it. > > Cheers, > frank > > > > "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- > Christopher Hitchens > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Olympics sets limits on amature lens size.
You're right. 300mm is quite liberal, reasonable and permissive. Upon reconsideration my previous post was over reacting and just plain wrong. I would withdraw that post were it possible to do so, but since I can't, please accept my apologies for having posted it. Cheers, frank "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: John Francis Sent: June 7, 2012 6/7/12 To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Subject: Re: Olympics sets limits on amature lens size. Only lenses over 30cm prohibited? That's quite permissive by today's standards. for the US Figure Skating championships the limit was below that; I think the 50-135 might just have been allowed, but the 60-250 definitely wasn't. But with a 30cm guideline the A* 300/2.8 (even with the 1.7x AF adapter) falls within the length limits. As does an A 400/5.6 (but not an A*/2.8). I wouldn't want to be shooting anything much larger than that hand-held. The rules are at least partially there to prevent you being a dick and blocking the view of the person in the seat next to you by sticking a honking great camera right in their field of view. If I were going to the Olympics I'd be giving serious consideration to an OM-D with the 75-300 - that's a whole lot easier to carry around. On Thu, Jun 07, 2012 at 02:49:36AM +, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: > These sorts of things really piss me off. > > The IOC and the local organizers are so f-ing worried that someone is going > to sell a photo and they'll lose licensing fees or royalties or whatever that > no one gets to take keepsakes. > > I was at the Olympics in Montreal in 76. Took my Praktica and either a 200 or > 300mm to my one day at the stadium. Happened to be the day that Lasse Viren > won his second race making him the only Olympian to win the 5,000m and > 10,000m in successive Olympics. Got a shot of him crossing the line then > another of him collapsing on the track. > > It was also day two of the decathlon. Got several shots of Bruce Jenner > including one of him taking a victory lap waving an American flag. > > >From where I was my shots had no commercial value; indeed they would have > >no value to anyone but me. All they did is show I was "there". > > That's what any photo from the seats will be. No one except those with > credentials will be anywhere near any vantage point from which they can take > commercially viable images. > > What the hell are they afraid of? They won't lose a dime if they let amateurs > shoot with big lenses from their seats. > > They're just bring control freaks. > > Cheers, > frank > > "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- > Christopher Hitchens > > --- Original Message --- > > From: Bob W > Sent: June 6, 2012 6/6/12 > To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" > Subject: RE: Olympics sets limits on amature lens size. > > The entire games are a giant corporate stitch-up, so this sort of thing > comes as no surprise. I'd rather see a scaled-down games with less corporate > sponsorship and 'hospitality' and something on a more human scale geared > towards ordinary people, even if it wasn't so spectacular. > > B > > > -Original Message- > > From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of > > P. J. Alling > > Sent: 06 June 2012 18:28 > > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > Subject: Olympics sets limits on amature lens size. > > > > Apparently large cameras, (and I don't know what large means Pop Photo > > doesn't give specifics), and lenses over 30 cm, (why don't the English > > just revert to form and say a foot), are prohibited. I expect to see a > > run on Pentax M* 300mm and Olympus OM-D cameras with 4:3 to K mount > > adapters is in the offing. > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Olympics sets limits on amature lens size.
Only lenses over 30cm prohibited? That's quite permissive by today's standards. for the US Figure Skating championships the limit was below that; I think the 50-135 might just have been allowed, but the 60-250 definitely wasn't. But with a 30cm guideline the A* 300/2.8 (even with the 1.7x AF adapter) falls within the length limits. As does an A 400/5.6 (but not an A*/2.8). I wouldn't want to be shooting anything much larger than that hand-held. The rules are at least partially there to prevent you being a dick and blocking the view of the person in the seat next to you by sticking a honking great camera right in their field of view. If I were going to the Olympics I'd be giving serious consideration to an OM-D with the 75-300 - that's a whole lot easier to carry around. On Thu, Jun 07, 2012 at 02:49:36AM +, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: > These sorts of things really piss me off. > > The IOC and the local organizers are so f-ing worried that someone is going > to sell a photo and they'll lose licensing fees or royalties or whatever that > no one gets to take keepsakes. > > I was at the Olympics in Montreal in 76. Took my Praktica and either a 200 or > 300mm to my one day at the stadium. Happened to be the day that Lasse Viren > won his second race making him the only Olympian to win the 5,000m and > 10,000m in successive Olympics. Got a shot of him crossing the line then > another of him collapsing on the track. > > It was also day two of the decathlon. Got several shots of Bruce Jenner > including one of him taking a victory lap waving an American flag. > > >From where I was my shots had no commercial value; indeed they would have > >no value to anyone but me. All they did is show I was "there". > > That's what any photo from the seats will be. No one except those with > credentials will be anywhere near any vantage point from which they can take > commercially viable images. > > What the hell are they afraid of? They won't lose a dime if they let amateurs > shoot with big lenses from their seats. > > They're just bring control freaks. > > Cheers, > frank > > "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- > Christopher Hitchens > > --- Original Message --- > > From: Bob W > Sent: June 6, 2012 6/6/12 > To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" > Subject: RE: Olympics sets limits on amature lens size. > > The entire games are a giant corporate stitch-up, so this sort of thing > comes as no surprise. I'd rather see a scaled-down games with less corporate > sponsorship and 'hospitality' and something on a more human scale geared > towards ordinary people, even if it wasn't so spectacular. > > B > > > -Original Message- > > From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of > > P. J. Alling > > Sent: 06 June 2012 18:28 > > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > Subject: Olympics sets limits on amature lens size. > > > > Apparently large cameras, (and I don't know what large means Pop Photo > > doesn't give specifics), and lenses over 30 cm, (why don't the English > > just revert to form and say a foot), are prohibited. I expect to see a > > run on Pentax M* 300mm and Olympus OM-D cameras with 4:3 to K mount > > adapters is in the offing. > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Olympics sets limits on amature lens size.
Only when I have my camera with me. Cheers, frank "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: kwal...@peoplepc.com Sent: June 7, 2012 6/7/12 To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Subject: Re: Olympics sets limits on amature lens size. And yet it seems that is exactly what some members of the PDML do. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "David Savage" Subject: Re: Olympics sets limits on amature lens size. > "We don't have to photograph everything that we see." > > Now there is a MARK worthy quote if ever I saw one. > > DS > > On 07/06/2012, William Robb wrote: >> On 06/06/2012 8:49 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: >>> These sorts of things really piss me off. >>> >> >> Take along a Q and a 135... >> The rules seem pretty stupid, but I can just imagine scrums of wannabe >> pros making life miserable for all involved. >> Sometimes it's best to just sit back and enjoy the show. We don't have >> to photograph everything that we see. >> >> >> William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Olympics sets limits on amature lens size.
And yet it seems that is exactly what some members of the PDML do. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "David Savage" Subject: Re: Olympics sets limits on amature lens size. "We don't have to photograph everything that we see." Now there is a MARK worthy quote if ever I saw one. DS On 07/06/2012, William Robb wrote: On 06/06/2012 8:49 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: These sorts of things really piss me off. Take along a Q and a 135... The rules seem pretty stupid, but I can just imagine scrums of wannabe pros making life miserable for all involved. Sometimes it's best to just sit back and enjoy the show. We don't have to photograph everything that we see. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Olympics sets limits on amature lens size.
"We don't have to photograph everything that we see." Now there is a MARK worthy quote if ever I saw one. DS On 07/06/2012, William Robb wrote: > On 06/06/2012 8:49 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: >> These sorts of things really piss me off. >> > > Take along a Q and a 135... > The rules seem pretty stupid, but I can just imagine scrums of wannabe > pros making life miserable for all involved. > Sometimes it's best to just sit back and enjoy the show. We don't have > to photograph everything that we see. > > > William Robb > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Olympics sets limits on amature lens size.
On 06/06/2012 8:49 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: These sorts of things really piss me off. Take along a Q and a 135... The rules seem pretty stupid, but I can just imagine scrums of wannabe pros making life miserable for all involved. Sometimes it's best to just sit back and enjoy the show. We don't have to photograph everything that we see. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Olympics sets limits on amature lens size.
These sorts of things really piss me off. The IOC and the local organizers are so f-ing worried that someone is going to sell a photo and they'll lose licensing fees or royalties or whatever that no one gets to take keepsakes. I was at the Olympics in Montreal in 76. Took my Praktica and either a 200 or 300mm to my one day at the stadium. Happened to be the day that Lasse Viren won his second race making him the only Olympian to win the 5,000m and 10,000m in successive Olympics. Got a shot of him crossing the line then another of him collapsing on the track. It was also day two of the decathlon. Got several shots of Bruce Jenner including one of him taking a victory lap waving an American flag. >From where I was my shots had no commercial value; indeed they would have no >value to anyone but me. All they did is show I was "there". That's what any photo from the seats will be. No one except those with credentials will be anywhere near any vantage point from which they can take commercially viable images. What the hell are they afraid of? They won't lose a dime if they let amateurs shoot with big lenses from their seats. They're just bring control freaks. Cheers, frank "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Bob W Sent: June 6, 2012 6/6/12 To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" Subject: RE: Olympics sets limits on amature lens size. The entire games are a giant corporate stitch-up, so this sort of thing comes as no surprise. I'd rather see a scaled-down games with less corporate sponsorship and 'hospitality' and something on a more human scale geared towards ordinary people, even if it wasn't so spectacular. B > -Original Message- > From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of > P. J. Alling > Sent: 06 June 2012 18:28 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Olympics sets limits on amature lens size. > > Apparently large cameras, (and I don't know what large means Pop Photo > doesn't give specifics), and lenses over 30 cm, (why don't the English > just revert to form and say a foot), are prohibited. I expect to see a > run on Pentax M* 300mm and Olympus OM-D cameras with 4:3 to K mount > adapters is in the offing. > > Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to > avoid a lengthily search. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Olympics sets limits on amature lens size.
The entire games are a giant corporate stitch-up, so this sort of thing comes as no surprise. I'd rather see a scaled-down games with less corporate sponsorship and 'hospitality' and something on a more human scale geared towards ordinary people, even if it wasn't so spectacular. B > -Original Message- > From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of > P. J. Alling > Sent: 06 June 2012 18:28 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Olympics sets limits on amature lens size. > > Apparently large cameras, (and I don't know what large means Pop Photo > doesn't give specifics), and lenses over 30 cm, (why don't the English > just revert to form and say a foot), are prohibited. I expect to see a > run on Pentax M* 300mm and Olympus OM-D cameras with 4:3 to K mount > adapters is in the offing. > > Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to > avoid a lengthily search. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Olympics sets limits on amature lens size.
Apparently large cameras, (and I don't know what large means Pop Photo doesn't give specifics), and lenses over 30 cm, (why don't the English just revert to form and say a foot), are prohibited. I expect to see a run on Pentax M* 300mm and Olympus OM-D cameras with 4:3 to K mount adapters is in the offing. Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
