Re: Overlapping frames on MZ-S
Mike wrote: Last two frames on the roll of EBX I put through were overlapped by more than half. Anyone else had this problem? Yes. On a roll of EBX frame No. 34 and 35 overlaps with about one sprocket hole. BTW This was a roll that had been rewinded and reloaded at frame 10. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Overlapping frames on MZ-S
This is starting to get worrying - I was just about to order one, but maybe I will wait to see what this means... Rob -Original Message- From: Pål Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 July 2001 13:01 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Overlapping frames on MZ-S Mike wrote: Last two frames on the roll of EBX I put through were overlapped by more than half. Anyone else had this problem? Yes. On a roll of EBX frame No. 34 and 35 overlaps with about one sprocket hole. BTW This was a roll that had been rewinded and reloaded at frame 10. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Overlapping frames on MZ-S
From: Patrick White John Francis wrote: I've just got my first few rolls of film back from the MZ-S, and on one roll frames 23 24 overlap by two sprocket holes (a 36-exposure roll, before you ask the obvious question). I'm curious, how fresh were the batteries? I really meant the first few rolls (five, I think). The batteries were brand new CR2 lithiums (store bought; I didn't get batteries with the body). The problem was on the second or third roll of film through the camera. Not the first roll, and not the last roll. At present it appears to be just a momentary glitch. If it happens again I guess the camera will be going back to Pentax. -- John Francis . . . . . . . . . . (650) 429-4427 MyWay.com 444 Castro St. Suite 101,Mt. View, CA 94041 Hello. My name is Darth Vader. I am your Father. Prepare to die. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Overlapping frames on MZ-S
I'd guess that just how much tension it takes to activate the automatic film rewind sequence in a camera body is a design parameter for the camera but, the length of the film in the cartridge is a function of the quality control folks at the film manufacturers, as is the drag present in a normally advancing film. I'm sure there are more variables that I'm not considering. I also learned, from experience, that the earliest models of many equipment items (not just cameras) can need minor adjustments. Something about market (and marketing) pressure forcing release before testing is completed, which makes all of the early buyers become beta testers. Not that the members of the PDML were actually pressing Pentax to release a new camera, oh no, that would never happen. ;-) That's kind of why I like to wait a while and see what people say about them. Perhaps one of our list keepers should make a list of all the troubles reported and publish the list periodically. The most important thing to do is to return the camera for in-warranty repairs promptly. This will provide feedback to the factory that something needs attention. Len --- -Original Message- From: Francis Tang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 4:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Overlapping frames on MZ-S Surely on a camera like the MZ-S, you'd expect it to be able to automatically rewind the film when it reaches the end, right? If you're expected to prod the rewind button when you reach the end, then doesn't that defeat the purpose of the auto-rewind feature? -- Francis Tang, Postgraduate Research Student, LFCS, Edinburgh. Visiting: AG14, FB Mathematik, TU Darmstadt, Deutschland. Tel: +49 174/3545241 (D2 Voda) ZNr: S215/215 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/home/fhlt/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Overlapping frames on MZ-S
John Francis wrote: I've just got my first few rolls of film back from the MZ-S, and on one roll frames 23 24 overlap by two sprocket holes (a 36-exposure roll, before you ask the obvious question). I'm curious, how fresh were the batteries? I had problems with overlapping frames on my PZ the one time I tried to see what it would do when the battery ran down. In my case, it reached the end of the film near the end of the wind-on cycle but didn't realize it was there and allowed me to take another (overlapping) shot. It did realize that it needed to rewind after the shot (and just barely had enough power to accomplish the task). Incidently, I thought the thing counted sprocket holes or something. If so, it shouldn't be possible for it to misadvance the film without noticing, no matter what the state of the batteries. Have you checked the sprocket hole emitter/detector -- maybe there's a fleck of dirt confusing it? later, patbob ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Overlapping frames on MZ-S
It is true that early production samples of most high-end and professional cameras usually suffer from some kind of shortcomings. It was true of Nikon F4s or Canon EOS 3s - to name a couple. Users' complaints usually make the companies address the problems - so let's hope Pentax will do the same Paris, Leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa³ / wrote: I'd guess that just how much tension it takes to activate the automatic film rewind sequence in a camera body is a design parameter for the camera but, the length of the film in the cartridge is a function of the quality control folks at the film manufacturers, as is the drag present in a normally advancing film. I'm sure there are more variables that I'm not considering. I also learned, from experience, that the earliest models of many equipment items (not just cameras) can need minor adjustments. Something about market (and marketing) pressure forcing release before testing is completed, which makes all of the early buyers become beta testers. Not that the members of the PDML were actually pressing Pentax to release a new camera, oh no, that would never happen. ;-) That's kind of why I like to wait a while and see what people say about them. Perhaps one of our list keepers should make a list of all the troubles reported and publish the list periodically. The most important thing to do is to return the camera for in-warranty repairs promptly. This will provide feedback to the factory that something needs attention. Len --- -Original Message- From: Francis Tang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 4:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Overlapping frames on MZ-S Surely on a camera like the MZ-S, you'd expect it to be able to automatically rewind the film when it reaches the end, right? If you're expected to prod the rewind button when you reach the end, then doesn't that defeat the purpose of the auto-rewind feature? -- Francis Tang, Postgraduate Research Student, LFCS, Edinburgh. Visiting: AG14, FB Mathematik, TU Darmstadt, Deutschland. Tel: +49 174/3545241 (D2 Voda) ZNr: S215/215 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/home/fhlt/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . --- P.S. Wejd¼ w Kontakt! Wygraj Nokie 9110i i rejs do Szwecji! http://kontakt.wp.pl/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Overlapping frames on MZ-S
Surely if you know your camera, you can feel the gears stripping themselves out. Then you can stop what you're doing and wind the film back. I have never had a problem with not getting an extra photo anyway, on all my cameras SLR or non-SLR. And I have never stripped the gears out. I think it is not so much the length of the film as what you do with the start of it. I never wind it on more than I need to before closing the back. Just wind until you are sure it is on the cogs properly. Then (on a manual wind only) you can often sneak one photo in before your camera actually says 1. A single wind-on is usually enough to clear all the exposed film. Or you can do ½ wind before you close the back, and 1½ after closing the back. Jody. --- Paris, Leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Routinely getting extra frames is nice but suppose that you get a roll that is just a bit shorter than normal and you only have 36 1/2 frames. The modern cameras would have no problem with this but some older cameras will strip their gears when a person tries to advance a frame past the end of the roll. I don't know how many folks broke their cameras trying to squeeze out one more shot but it did cost more to fix the camera than a person could gain getting an extra frame or two. So, the problem is not one that needs addressing, except at the user end. Just be aware of what you are doing and, if it happens again, you'll know why it happened. Len __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Overlapping frames on MZ-S
With only five rolls through the camera and one awaiting processing, I routinely get 37 frames with the first two having the initial roll information. No overlapping seen, and even spacing noted. César Matamoros II Panama City, Florida -Original Message- From: mike wilson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 4:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Overlapping frames on MZ-S Hi, Sorry for the delay replying, but I'm on the no-mail option and the archives are running approximately three days behind at the moment. I got 37 frames from the roll, if you include the last two as one. So 38 attempts, if you. like. _If_ this is a problem, and not just a one-off, it's something which needs addressing. I know you can rewind after 36, but how often are you going to remember to do that if you are concentrating/excited/nrevous, etc? mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Overlapping frames on MZ-S
Routinely getting extra frames is nice but suppose that you get a roll that is just a bit shorter than normal and you only have 36 1/2 frames. The modern cameras would have no problem with this but some older cameras will strip their gears when a person tries to advance a frame past the end of the roll. I don't know how many folks broke their cameras trying to squeeze out one more shot but it did cost more to fix the camera than a person could gain getting an extra frame or two. If the camera breaks it need to be fixed, or the user need to be fixed for trying to stretch a film.. I always had the extra frame (I usually blank shoot it) and if there is tension in the middle of the frame. just press the rewind button is it that hard ? Phil - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Overlapping frames on MZ-S
On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 12:25:35AM +0300, Philippe Trottier wrote: If the camera breaks it need to be fixed, or the user need to be fixed for trying to stretch a film.. I always had the extra frame (I usually blank shoot it) and if there is tension in the middle of the frame. just press the rewind button is it that hard ? Surely on a camera like the MZ-S, you'd expect it to be able to automatically rewind the film when it reaches the end, right? If you're expected to prod the rewind button when you reach the end, then doesn't that defeat the purpose of the auto-rewind feature? -- Francis Tang, Postgraduate Research Student, LFCS, Edinburgh. Visiting: AG14, FB Mathematik, TU Darmstadt, Deutschland. Tel: +49 174/3545241 (D2 Voda) ZNr: S215/215 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/home/fhlt/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Overlapping frames on MZ-S
- Original Message - From: Francis Tang Surely on a camera like the MZ-S, you'd expect it to be able to automatically rewind the film when it reaches the end, right? If you're expected to prod the rewind button when you reach the end, then doesn't that defeat the purpose of the auto-rewind feature? Thats not one of the custom functions is it? I would prefer a power rewind camera to not do it untill I tell it to. William Robb Remember, the LX Gallery is coming up. Please see: http://pug.komkon.org/LX_Gallery/LX_Submit.html for more information. Submission deadline is July 1st, 2001 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Overlapping frames on MZ-S
Surely on a camera like the MZ-S, you'd expect it to be able to automatically rewind the film when it reaches the end, right? If you're expected to prod the rewind button when you reach the end, then doesn't that defeat the purpose of the auto-rewind feature? Hi Frank, I think I'd expect (and prefer) the opposite to be true. I wouldn't want that rewind noise to happen on its own. Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Overlapping frames on MZ-S
Hi, Last two frames on the roll of EBX I put through were overlapped by more than half. Anyone else had this problem? mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Overlapping frames on MZ-S
Sounds like the camera tried to get an extra frame or two out of the roll. How many exposures did you get? Len --- -Original Message- From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 5:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Overlapping frames on MZ-S Hi, Last two frames on the roll of EBX I put through were overlapped by more than half. Anyone else had this problem? mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
