Re: PESO - Man's Intrusion
Bruce, if you mean man's intrusion to nature's world, then I am sorry to tell you but you missed the target in the eyes of this very viewer. Technically excellent as usual, but I am confused by what I see and the title. Boris Bruce Dayton wrote: Taken on a morning walk yesterday. Pentax K10D, A 70-210/4, Handheld ISO 400, f/8 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4227.htm Comments welcome -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Man's Intrusion
On 1/13/07 8:13 AM, Boris Liberman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce, if you mean man's intrusion to nature's world, then I am sorry to tell you but you missed the target in the eyes of this very viewer. Technically excellent as usual, but I am confused by what I see and the title. Boris Bruce Dayton wrote: Taken on a morning walk yesterday. Pentax K10D, A 70-210/4, Handheld ISO 400, f/8 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4227.htm Comments welcome Hi Boris, This is not to challenge your comment, people have different takes on different things but somehow this shot struck me. I commented before but most of viewers seem to have dismissed it. I do not know what made Bruce shoot this scene when he encountered it, or whether he titled it post-shooting. Either way, I thought the title was appropriate. In fact, it is the only way to explain this scene. Otherwise, this is just another snap shot. When I first looked at this shot, two things immediately struck me. 1. Just too many concrete piles for seemingly narrow span of whatever is on top of it. They could design it much better. 2. The way piles are placed looks like designers muscled them into soil with no regard to the nature. This little brook and surroundings might be no park and not much worth to protect but it's just too many piles. Just the way it looked to me Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: PESO - Man's Intrusion
It reminds me of the ugly expressway bridge the built directly over the river Sihl here in the city of Zurich. A good example how it should not be done :-( greetings Markus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bruce Dayton Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 11:28 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO - Man's Intrusion Taken on a morning walk yesterday. Pentax K10D, A 70-210/4, Handheld ISO 400, f/8 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4227.htm Comments welcome -- Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: PESO - Man's Intrusion
I think I understand what you're trying to do with this one, but, imo, it misses the mark (as i see the mark to be). I believe the photo could be stronger with a different (or even non-existent) title, as the title has led me to some expectations. It's nicely done from a technical point, that's for certain. Shel [Original Message] From: Bruce Dayton http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4227.htm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Man's Intrusion
On 1/09/07 8:55 AM, Shel Belinkoff, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I understand what you're trying to do with this one, but, imo, it misses the mark (as i see the mark to be). I believe the photo could be stronger with a different (or even non-existent) title, as the title has led me to some expectations. It's nicely done from a technical point, that's for certain. Shel [Original Message] From: Bruce Dayton http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4227.htm I think the title is creative, otherwise, it is just an ordinary sight, technical excellence aside. But that's a lot of piles ! They could have done it a better way without crowding the place. Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Man's Intrusion
So are you saying that without a title it hits the mark? This is something that I intend to revisit and see if I can improve upon this at all. -- Bruce Tuesday, January 9, 2007, 5:55:42 AM, you wrote: SB I think I understand what you're trying to do with this one, but, imo, it SB misses the mark (as i see the mark to be). I believe the photo could be SB stronger with a different (or even non-existent) title, as the title has SB led me to some expectations. It's nicely done from a technical point, SB that's for certain. SB Shel [Original Message] From: Bruce Dayton http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4227.htm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Man's Intrusion
Sort of my thoughts, too. I'll probably revisit and see if I can improve on the shot. -- Best regards, Bruce Tuesday, January 9, 2007, 12:24:00 AM, you wrote: MM It reminds me of the ugly expressway bridge the built directly over the MM river Sihl here in the city of Zurich. MM A good example how it should not be done :-( MM greetings MM Markus MM -Original Message- MM From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of MM Bruce Dayton MM Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 11:28 PM MM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List MM Subject: PESO - Man's Intrusion MM Taken on a morning walk yesterday. MM Pentax K10D, A 70-210/4, Handheld MM ISO 400, f/8 MM http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4227.htm MM Comments welcome MM -- MM Bruce MM -- MM PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List MM PDML@pdml.net MM http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Man's Intrusion
Mmmm ... not exactly. What I am saying is that the title takes away from what I think you're trying to do with this, and that while it may be stronger without the title, revisiting the scene and working with it some more may garner a stronger result and greater impact. After thinking about the pic for a while, and viewing it a few times, I don't see enough intrusion. I was expecting to see a photo showing more of nature - for example, more trees - as well as the man-made objects. Of course, this is only my interpretation of what you may have been trying to do. I do see another photo entitled Nature's Intrusion, in which there might be similar columns and one or two small, bright colored flowers struggling to grow in their shadow. It's possible that, because of all your nature photographs, this one, which is essentially non-nature, throws me a little. But that's just me. Maybe you were trying for something other than what I perceive Shel [Original Message] From: Bruce Dayton So are you saying that without a title it hits the mark? This is something that I intend to revisit and see if I can improve upon this at all. SB I think I understand what you're trying to do with this one, but, imo, it SB misses the mark (as i see the mark to be). I believe the photo could be SB stronger with a different (or even non-existent) title, as the title has SB led me to some expectations. It's nicely done from a technical point, SB that's for certain. http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4227.htm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Man's Intrusion
I find the scene a little too ordinary, a little too busy, and a little underwhelming in establishing a contrasting context to be worth of a grandiose title like Man's Intrusion. Sure, it's a pretty common scene of not-very-pretty pilings, but so what? It's a jumble of bits of trees and stream and bridge pilings like we see all the time. Man's Intrusion should have a much much bigger magnitude than this. Godfrey On Jan 8, 2007, at 2:27 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote: Taken on a morning walk yesterday. Pentax K10D, A 70-210/4, Handheld ISO 400, f/8 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4227.htm Comments welcome -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Man's Intrusion
Well, I'll need to go back and see if I can improve. One interesting aspect to this discussion is what you have termed 'ordinary' - the reason I say this is because of what each of us perceive. The location that you live has a lot to do with what ordinary things are. I have some friends who grew up in the heart of the redwood groves up near Eureka, CA. So everyday, they live and played among those giant trees. When I go up there to see them, they are anything but ordinary to me. A recent trip we were making up there, I mentioned to them we would be going up to see the trees. They responded why would you want to go there, it's just a bunch of trees - I had to chuckle. You live in the Bay area which is much more heavily populated than where I live. The area that I photographed, didn't have any of these things here a few years ago. So for me, it was quite extraordinary to view the area now. There are houses and roads where there use to be fields and streams. I do appreciate the comments you have made - they are very valid. -- Best regards, Bruce Tuesday, January 9, 2007, 11:11:59 AM, you wrote: GD I find the scene a little too ordinary, a little too busy, and a GD little underwhelming in establishing a contrasting context to be GD worth of a grandiose title like Man's Intrusion. Sure, it's a GD pretty common scene of not-very-pretty pilings, but so what? It's a GD jumble of bits of trees and stream and bridge pilings like we see all GD the time. Man's Intrusion should have a much much bigger magnitude GD than this. GD Godfrey GD On Jan 8, 2007, at 2:27 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote: Taken on a morning walk yesterday. Pentax K10D, A 70-210/4, Handheld ISO 400, f/8 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4227.htm Comments welcome -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
PESO - Man's Intrusion
Taken on a morning walk yesterday. Pentax K10D, A 70-210/4, Handheld ISO 400, f/8 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4227.htm Comments welcome -- Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Man's Intrusion
Nicely seen, Bruce. I think it would, also, work well if the horizontal span were cropped off. It might even make a more intriguing statement. Jack --- Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Taken on a morning walk yesterday. Pentax K10D, A 70-210/4, Handheld ISO 400, f/8 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4227.htm Comments welcome -- Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Man's Intrusion
Why do I like this shot? Hmmm...Maybe it's the irony of finding concrete pillars standing where one expects trees to be standing. Compositonally, the pillar 2/3 of the way to the right is a bit of a problem. Rick --- Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Taken on a morning walk yesterday. Pentax K10D, A 70-210/4, Handheld ISO 400, f/8 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_4227.htm Comments welcome -- Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
