PESO - THE Bridge

[Eactivist]

That's right, not a faux bridge, or a substitute bridge... THE Bridge. :-)

This is about as close as I could get from this vantage point and I was also 
testing out a new wide angle zoom. I suppose I could have walked to the end, 
it was barricaded to cars but did not appear to be barricaded to foot traffic. 
However, it was very windy and I wasn't that motivated.

This is the second in a series of tourist stops/visits/day trips/trips that I 
plan to make before moving out of California next spring. 50 Things to See in 
California Before Leaving (see or resee --- and maybe closer to 75 or 100). 
So although I wish I was later in the day and had caught some later or sunset 
light, this was probably my one shot at the bridge. May show some other photos 
from other vantage points later.

Nothing special, really. Typical tourist shot.

I've tweaked the color once already, could tweak again.

http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/thebridge.htm

Comments welcome.

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PESO - The Bridge

[Bruce Dayton]

I flew out to Baltimore several weeks ago to do the photography for my
niece's wedding.  This is one of the shots from an outdoor bridal
portrait session.

Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, handheld
ISO 200, 1/180 sec @ f/5.6

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bullock_0109.htm

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Re: PESO - THE Bridge

[David Savage]

What bridge is that again?

:-)

Lovely light, and one of the more interesting views that I've seen of it.

Dave

On 8/19/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's right, not a faux bridge, or a substitute bridge... THE Bridge. :-)
>
> This is about as close as I could get from this vantage point and I was also
> testing out a new wide angle zoom. I suppose I could have walked to the end,
> it was barricaded to cars but did not appear to be barricaded to foot traffic.
> However, it was very windy and I wasn't that motivated.
>
> This is the second in a series of tourist stops/visits/day trips/trips that I
> plan to make before moving out of California next spring. 50 Things to See in
> California Before Leaving (see or resee --- and maybe closer to 75 or 100).
> So although I wish I was later in the day and had caught some later or sunset
> light, this was probably my one shot at the bridge. May show some other photos
> from other vantage points later.
>
> Nothing special, really. Typical tourist shot.
>
> I've tweaked the color once already, could tweak again.
>
> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/thebridge.htm
>
> Comments welcome.
>
> Marnie aka Doe
>
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Re: PESO - THE Bridge

[Jack Davis]

Like this angle very much! Might tweak the red a tad, but then I
realize I'm seeing nothing that you haven't noted and considered.
If you could have moved the slightest bit to your right, would you have
done so? While distant and possible somewhat obscured by the mists, I'd
like to see where the far end of the bridge meets the Marin headlands.

Jack

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> That's right, not a faux bridge, or a substitute bridge... THE
> Bridge. :-)
> 
> This is about as close as I could get from this vantage point and I
> was also 
> testing out a new wide angle zoom. I suppose I could have walked to
> the end, 
> it was barricaded to cars but did not appear to be barricaded to foot
> traffic. 
> However, it was very windy and I wasn't that motivated.
> 
> This is the second in a series of tourist stops/visits/day
> trips/trips that I 
> plan to make before moving out of California next spring. 50 Things
> to See in 
> California Before Leaving (see or resee --- and maybe closer to 75 or
> 100). 
> So although I wish I was later in the day and had caught some later
> or sunset 
> light, this was probably my one shot at the bridge. May show some
> other photos 
> from other vantage points later.
> 
> Nothing special, really. Typical tourist shot.
> 
> I've tweaked the color once already, could tweak again.
> 
> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/thebridge.htm
> 
> Comments welcome.
> 
> Marnie aka Doe 
> 
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Re: PESO - THE Bridge

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 8/18/2006 9:46:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Like this angle very much! Might tweak the red a tad, but then I
realize I'm seeing nothing that you haven't noted and considered.
If you could have moved the slightest bit to your right, would you have
done so? While distant and possible somewhat obscured by the mists, I'd
like to see where the far end of the bridge meets the Marin headlands.

Jack
===
Yes, I have it a tad more to the right too. Actually, Jack I am on the Marin 
end with this shot. Should have said. This was taken from the Fort Baker area.

Getting the right color on the bridge is tough, it seemed to be pinker in my 
shots than I remembered. So I've been playing with color correction.

Thanks for the comments.

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Re: PESO - THE Bridge

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 8/18/2006 9:39:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What bridge is that again?

:-)

Lovely light, and one of the more interesting views that I've seen of it.

Dave

:-)  The most photographed one in the world, apparently.

Thanks!

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Re: PESO - THE Bridge

[pnstenquist]

Excellent. I like this. The color is subtle yet rich. But I would rotate it 
about one degree counterclockwise or until both cable supports are leaning 
toward the center at approximately the same angle.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> That's right, not a faux bridge, or a substitute bridge... THE Bridge. :-)
> 
> This is about as close as I could get from this vantage point and I was also 
> testing out a new wide angle zoom. I suppose I could have walked to the end, 
> it was barricaded to cars but did not appear to be barricaded to foot 
> traffic. 
> However, it was very windy and I wasn't that motivated.
> 
> This is the second in a series of tourist stops/visits/day trips/trips that I 
> plan to make before moving out of California next spring. 50 Things to See in 
> California Before Leaving (see or resee --- and maybe closer to 75 or 100). 
> So although I wish I was later in the day and had caught some later or sunset 
> light, this was probably my one shot at the bridge. May show some other 
> photos 
> from other vantage points later.
> 
> Nothing special, really. Typical tourist shot.
> 
> I've tweaked the color once already, could tweak again.
> 
> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/thebridge.htm
> 
> Comments welcome.
> 
> Marnie aka Doe 
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Re: PESO - THE Bridge

[Adam Maas]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> That's right, not a faux bridge, or a substitute bridge... THE Bridge. :-)
> 
> This is about as close as I could get from this vantage point and I was also 
> testing out a new wide angle zoom. I suppose I could have walked to the end, 
> it was barricaded to cars but did not appear to be barricaded to foot 
> traffic. 
> However, it was very windy and I wasn't that motivated.
> 
> This is the second in a series of tourist stops/visits/day trips/trips that I 
> plan to make before moving out of California next spring. 50 Things to See in 
> California Before Leaving (see or resee --- and maybe closer to 75 or 100). 
> So although I wish I was later in the day and had caught some later or sunset 
> light, this was probably my one shot at the bridge. May show some other 
> photos 
> from other vantage points later.
> 
> Nothing special, really. Typical tourist shot.
> 
> I've tweaked the color once already, could tweak again.
> 
> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/thebridge.htm
> 
> Comments welcome.
> 
> Marnie aka Doe 
> 


I rather like this one, it's an unusual angle which really shows the 
Golden Gate off well.

Well Done!

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Re: PESO - THE Bridge

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Aug 18, 2006, at 9:12 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> That's right, not a faux bridge, or a substitute bridge... THE  
> Bridge. :-)

There is only one.

> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/thebridge.htm

Great vantage point and an excellent photograph.

Godfrey

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Re: PESO - THE Bridge

[Jack Davis]

Been too long since visiting this "wonder". 
I'd fiddle with the rock and cliff face trying to gain a little more
detail. The near bridge tower could be lightened, etc., etc..
Certainly a worthy image.
Where and why are you moving out of CA?

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> In a message dated 8/18/2006 9:46:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Like this angle very much! Might tweak the red a tad, but then I
> realize I'm seeing nothing that you haven't noted and considered.
> If you could have moved the slightest bit to your right, would you
> have
> done so? While distant and possible somewhat obscured by the mists,
> I'd
> like to see where the far end of the bridge meets the Marin
> headlands.
> 
> Jack
> ===
> Yes, I have it a tad more to the right too. Actually, Jack I am on
> the Marin 
> end with this shot. Should have said. This was taken from the Fort
> Baker area.
> 
> Getting the right color on the bridge is tough, it seemed to be
> pinker in my 
> shots than I remembered. So I've been playing with color correction.
> 
> Thanks for the comments.
> 
> Marnie aka Doe 
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Re: PESO - THE Bridge

[John Forbes]

Great angle, and lovely muted colours.  Very nice altogether.

John

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:52:02 +0100, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> In a message dated 8/18/2006 9:39:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> What bridge is that again?
>
> :-)
>
> Lovely light, and one of the more interesting views that I've seen of it.
>
> Dave
> 
> :-)  The most photographed one in the world, apparently.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Marnie aka Doe
>



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Re: PESO - THE Bridge

[Mark Roberts]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Nothing special, really. Typical tourist shot.
>
>I've tweaked the color once already, could tweak again.
>
>http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/thebridge.htm

I think that's much better than the typical tourist shot. Beautiful
light you caught there. I espe4cially like how the top part of the
rock/island on the left is lit but the lower half is in the shade -
but not too much in the shade thanks to the diffuse light.
A little tweak of the perspective could help (and perhaps a subtle
curves adjustment).
 
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Re: PESO - THE Bridge

[David Savage]

On 8/19/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Aug 18, 2006, at 9:12 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > That's right, not a faux bridge, or a substitute bridge... THE
> > Bridge. :-)
>
> There is only one.

I thought the Millau in France was kind of neat.





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Re: PESO - THE Bridge

[Kenneth Waller]

I like it. A different take on a well photographed structure.

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PESO - THE Bridge


> That's right, not a faux bridge, or a substitute bridge... THE Bridge. :-)
>
> This is about as close as I could get from this vantage point and I was 
> also
> testing out a new wide angle zoom. I suppose I could have walked to the 
> end,
> it was barricaded to cars but did not appear to be barricaded to foot 
> traffic.
> However, it was very windy and I wasn't that motivated.
>
> This is the second in a series of tourist stops/visits/day trips/trips 
> that I
> plan to make before moving out of California next spring. 50 Things to See 
> in
> California Before Leaving (see or resee --- and maybe closer to 75 or 
> 100).
> So although I wish I was later in the day and had caught some later or 
> sunset
> light, this was probably my one shot at the bridge. May show some other 
> photos
> from other vantage points later.
>
> Nothing special, really. Typical tourist shot.
>
> I've tweaked the color once already, could tweak again.
>
> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/thebridge.htm
>
> Comments welcome.
>
> Marnie aka Doe
>
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Re: PESO - THE Bridge

[Bruce Dayton]

I like this one.  The location really works.  Not the usual looking
Bridge shot.  The location warrants some more exploration concerning
lighting and time.  Nice work!

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Friday, August 18, 2006, 9:12:20 AM, you wrote:

Eac> That's right, not a faux bridge, or a substitute bridge... THE Bridge. :-)

Eac> This is about as close as I could get from this vantage point and I was 
also
Eac> testing out a new wide angle zoom. I suppose I could have walked to the 
end,
Eac> it was barricaded to cars but did not appear to be barricaded to foot 
traffic.
Eac> However, it was very windy and I wasn't that motivated.

Eac> This is the second in a series of tourist stops/visits/day trips/trips 
that I
Eac> plan to make before moving out of California next spring. 50 Things to See 
in
Eac> California Before Leaving (see or resee --- and maybe closer to 75 or 100).
Eac> So although I wish I was later in the day and had caught some later or 
sunset
Eac> light, this was probably my one shot at the bridge. May show some other 
photos
Eac> from other vantage points later.

Eac> Nothing special, really. Typical tourist shot.

Eac> I've tweaked the color once already, could tweak again.

Eac> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/thebridge.htm

Eac> Comments welcome.

Eac> Marnie aka Doe 




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Re: PESO - THE Bridge

[keith_w]

Kenneth Waller wrote:
> I like it. A different take on a well photographed structure.
> 
> Kenneth Waller


> - Original Message - 
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: PESO - THE Bridge
> 
> 
>> That's right, not a faux bridge, or a substitute bridge... THE Bridge. :-)
>>
>> This is about as close as I could get from this vantage point and I was 
>> also  testing out a new wide angle zoom. 
>> I suppose I could have walked to the 
>> end, it was barricaded to cars but did not appear to be barricaded to
>> foot traffic. However, it was very windy and I wasn't that motivated.

It's always very windy there, isn't it... And cold!

>> This is the second in a series of tourist stops/visits/day trips/trips 
>> that I plan to make before moving out of California next spring. 

You're really going to do it, huh?
Do you plan to let us know where you intend to relocate?

>> So although I wish I was later in the day and had caught some later or 
>> sunset light, this was probably my one shot at the bridge. May show some 
 >> other photos from other vantage points later.
>>
>> Nothing special, really. Typical tourist shot.
>>
>> I've tweaked the color once already, could tweak again.
>>
>> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/thebridge.htm
>>
>> Comments welcome.
>>
>> Marnie aka Doe

Well done, Marnie!
Is that Ft. Point, looking under the bridge?
Where the heck WERE you when the shutter went off?

keith whaley

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Re: PESO - THE Bridge

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 8/18/2006 12:44:44 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well done, Marnie!
Is that Ft. Point, looking under the bridge?
Where the heck WERE you when the shutter went off?

keith whaley

Yeah, could be. Not sure. There were some structures right out at the end of 
the rocks and I debated walking there, but didn't.

I was right on the edge of the water, by an access road that ran along the 
side of the mountain to Fort Baker. But tourists come in elsewhere. However, 
when I was there, I parked my car at the barricade at the end, a ranger I had 
spoken to at the Marin Headlands came down the access road from the other 
direction. He stopped at the barricades on the other side. So I guess although 
it is 
barricaded to the public it still works -- connects up Marin Headlands and 
Fort Baker. 

It did seem with all the barricading that one could still walk to the 
structures on the end. But not only was it cold and windy, well, the ranger was 
there. :-)

Marnie

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Re: PESO - THE Bridge

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 8/18/2006 12:13:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I like this one.  The location really works.  Not the usual looking
Bridge shot.  The location warrants some more exploration concerning
lighting and time.  Nice work!

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==
And you thought the book I got saying where to take photos in Northern 
California was cheating. :-) Well, I doubt I would have found the Fort Baker 
location without it.

Yeah, it and Marin Headlands for Golden Gate Bridge shots and Muir Woods 
would make a good NorCal Meet, wouldn't it? 

There were certainly enough people around the Marin Headlands taking photos 
for the people shooters.

Marnie aka Doe ;-)

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Re: PESO - THE Bridge

[Shel Belinkoff]

We've already done that - at least Muir Woods and some seaside stuff.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Yeah, it and Marin Headlands for Golden Gate Bridge shots and Muir Woods 
> would make a good NorCal Meet, wouldn't it? 



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[Eactivist]

In a message dated 8/18/2006 10:36:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Been too long since visiting this "wonder". 
I'd fiddle with the rock and cliff face trying to gain a little more
detail. The near bridge tower could be lightened, etc., etc..
Certainly a worthy image.
Where and why are you moving out of CA?
=
Sell condo inherited from Mom, move to another state and buy house for about 
1/2 the price. Have money left over. Financial, logical, not emotional. Can't 
list until January and might be still here eight months after that.

So for the next 6-12 months this third generation Californian will be taking 
day trips and mini-trips around California to say a very fond farewell to our 
lovely Golden State.

You should come to our next NorCal Meet, Jack. I live in Walnut Creek, 
California, other side of Caldicott Tunnel.

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Re: PESO - THE Bridge

[keith_w]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated 8/18/2006 10:36:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Been too long since visiting this "wonder". 
> I'd fiddle with the rock and cliff face trying to gain a little more
> detail. The near bridge tower could be lightened, etc., etc..
> Certainly a worthy image.
> Where and why are you moving out of CA?
> =
> Sell condo inherited from Mom, move to another state and buy house for about 
> 1/2 the price. Have money left over. Financial, logical, not emotional. Can't 
> list until January and might be still here eight months after that.
> 
> So for the next 6-12 months this third generation Californian will be taking 
> day trips and mini-trips around California to say a very fond farewell to our 
> lovely Golden State.
> 
> You should come to our next NorCal Meet, Jack. I live in Walnut Creek, 
> California, other side of Caldicott Tunnel.
> 
> Marnie aka Doe 

The Caldicott Tunnel. My gosh! I'd forgotten they call it that! Do they have 
both sides working now? (Clearly, it's been a long time...)  

keith whaley

~ lived in Concord, worked in San Ramon, 1958-1963.
At that time, Concord was sort of a sleepy little town, they've since ruined it!
WAY too large, paved over with freeway cloverleafs and shopping centers and 
malls... sighhh.
In fact, I think one of those cloverleafs was built right smack on top of my 
old house!

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Re: PESO - THE Bridge

[David J Brooks]

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Nothing special, really. Typical tourist shot.
>>
>> I've tweaked the color once already, could tweak again.
>>
>> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/thebridge.htm
>
Nice angle, as others have said. Nice job Marnie.

Dave


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[Eactivist]

In a message dated 8/18/2006 2:48:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The Caldicott Tunnel. My gosh! I'd forgotten they call it that! Do they have 
both sides working now? (Clearly, it's been a long time...)  

keith whaley

~ lived in Concord, worked in San Ramon, 1958-1963.
At that time, Concord was sort of a sleepy little town, they've since ruined 
it!
WAY too large, paved over with freeway cloverleafs and shopping centers and 
malls... sighhh.
In fact, I think one of those cloverleafs was built right smack on top of my 
old house!
===
Well, this whole area changed ever since Bart went in umpteen million years 
ago. And, yup, I remember the pre-Bart (Bay Area Rapid Transit) days quite well.

The San Ramon -- Walnut Creek corridor (680), and the Pittsburg - Concord 
corridor (24) are both now as bad traffic-wise as anything down the peninsula 
(80) or anything in LA. I often feel they are worse. :-)

Just for that reason alone I've been threatening to move out of here for over 
15 years.

Marnie aka Doe 

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Re: PESO - THE Bridge

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 8/18/2006 10:08:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Excellent. I like this. The color is subtle yet rich. But I would rotate it 
about one degree counterclockwise or until both cable supports are leaning 
toward the center at approximately the same angle.
Paul
==
Good idea. But already rotated a bit, so may try Mark's idea of perspective 
tweaking.

Either some distortion is due to my wide angle or the bridge is crooked.


Thanks to everyone for their comments. Much appreciated.

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Re: PESO - THE Bridge

[John Forbes]

On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 04:48:22 +0100, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> In a message dated 8/18/2006 10:08:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Excellent. I like this. The color is subtle yet rich. But I would rotate  
> it
> about one degree counterclockwise or until both cable supports are  
> leaning
> toward the center at approximately the same angle.
> Paul
> ==
> Good idea. But already rotated a bit, so may try Mark's idea of  
> perspective
> tweaking.
>
> Either some distortion is due to my wide angle or the bridge is crooked.

Pentax lens?  The bridge must be crooked.  If it was Canon, the bridge is  
straight as a die.

John

>
> Thanks to everyone for their comments. Much appreciated.
>
> Marnie aka Doe :-)
>



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RE: PESO - THE Bridge

[Jens Bladt]

There is something wrong, isn't there? It seems to me that the front pylon
does not have any ground support! Is it "hanging in the air"?
Well, its seems the pylon is hidden behind a rock:
http://www.eviaggiatori.it/sfondi/800x600%20golden%20gate.jpg
Regards
Jens

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> That's right, not a faux bridge, or a substitute bridge... THE Bridge. :-)
>
> This is about as close as I could get from this vantage point and I was
also
> testing out a new wide angle zoom. I suppose I could have walked to the
end,
> it was barricaded to cars but did not appear to be barricaded to foot
traffic.
> However, it was very windy and I wasn't that motivated.
>
> This is the second in a series of tourist stops/visits/day trips/trips
that I
> plan to make before moving out of California next spring. 50 Things to See
in
> California Before Leaving (see or resee --- and maybe closer to 75 or
100).
> So although I wish I was later in the day and had caught some later or
sunset
> light, this was probably my one shot at the bridge. May show some other
photos
> from other vantage points later.
>
> Nothing special, really. Typical tourist shot.
>
> I've tweaked the color once already, could tweak again.
>
> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/thebridge.htm
>
> Comments welcome.
>
> Marnie aka Doe
>


I rather like this one, it's an unusual angle which really shows the
Golden Gate off well.

Well Done!

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RE: PESO - THE Bridge

[Jens Bladt]

The worlds longest bridge (free suspension span) is Japaneese Akashi Kaikyo
(1991 m): http://en.structurae.de/structures/data/index.cfm?ID=s001
Second place is Sorebalt (1998) in Denmark: f1624m:
http://www.storebaelt.dk/kollage/broen.
Golden Gate held the world record for 27 years with its 1280 m free span:
http://www.inetours.com/Pages/SFNbrhds/Golden_Gate_Bridge.html
It's a beautiful bridge!
regards
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There is something wrong, isn't there? It seems to me that the front pylon
does not have any ground support! Is it "hanging in the air"?
Well, its seems the pylon is hidden behind a rock:
http://www.eviaggiatori.it/sfondi/800x600%20golden%20gate.jpg
Regards
Jens

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http://www.jensbladt.dk
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+45 23 43 85 77
Skype: jensbladt248

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> That's right, not a faux bridge, or a substitute bridge... THE Bridge. :-)
>
> This is about as close as I could get from this vantage point and I was
also
> testing out a new wide angle zoom. I suppose I could have walked to the
end,
> it was barricaded to cars but did not appear to be barricaded to foot
traffic.
> However, it was very windy and I wasn't that motivated.
>
> This is the second in a series of tourist stops/visits/day trips/trips
that I
> plan to make before moving out of California next spring. 50 Things to See
in
> California Before Leaving (see or resee --- and maybe closer to 75 or
100).
> So although I wish I was later in the day and had caught some later or
sunset
> light, this was probably my one shot at the bridge. May show some other
photos
> from other vantage points later.
>
> Nothing special, really. Typical tourist shot.
>
> I've tweaked the color once already, could tweak again.
>
> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/thebridge.htm
>
> Comments welcome.
>
> Marnie aka Doe
>


I rather like this one, it's an unusual angle which really shows the
Golden Gate off well.

Well Done!

-Adam


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Re: PESO - THE Bridge

[John Francis]

On Fri, Aug 18, 2006 at 11:48:22PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated 8/18/2006 10:08:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Excellent. I like this. The color is subtle yet rich. But I would rotate it 
> about one degree counterclockwise or until both cable supports are leaning 
> toward the center at approximately the same angle.
> Paul
> ==
> Good idea. But already rotated a bit, so may try Mark's idea of perspective 
> tweaking.
> 
> Either some distortion is due to my wide angle or the bridge is crooked.

Neither - you're pointing the camera upwards, so verticals lean inwards
at the top.  Perspective tweaking is the way to get rid of this.


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Re: PESO - THE Bridge

[P. J. Alling]

It seems the bridge is tilting a bit to the right.  Probably just my 
eyes, it is late.  Nice capture, I think I'd like it larger.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>That's right, not a faux bridge, or a substitute bridge... THE Bridge. :-)
>
>This is about as close as I could get from this vantage point and I was also 
>testing out a new wide angle zoom. I suppose I could have walked to the end, 
>it was barricaded to cars but did not appear to be barricaded to foot traffic. 
>However, it was very windy and I wasn't that motivated.
>
>This is the second in a series of tourist stops/visits/day trips/trips that I 
>plan to make before moving out of California next spring. 50 Things to See in 
>California Before Leaving (see or resee --- and maybe closer to 75 or 100). 
>So although I wish I was later in the day and had caught some later or sunset 
>light, this was probably my one shot at the bridge. May show some other photos 
>from other vantage points later.
>
>Nothing special, really. Typical tourist shot.
>
>I've tweaked the color once already, could tweak again.
>
>http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/thebridge.htm
>
>Comments welcome.
>
>Marnie aka Doe 
>
>  
>


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Re: PESO - THE Bridge

[Daniel J. Matyola]

A wonderful vision of an oft-photgraphed site.  Great work!

On 8/18/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's right, not a faux bridge, or a substitute bridge... THE Bridge. :-)
>
> This is about as close as I could get from this vantage point and I was also
> testing out a new wide angle zoom. I suppose I could have walked to the end,
> it was barricaded to cars but did not appear to be barricaded to foot traffic.
> However, it was very windy and I wasn't that motivated.
>
> This is the second in a series of tourist stops/visits/day trips/trips that I
> plan to make before moving out of California next spring. 50 Things to See in
> California Before Leaving (see or resee --- and maybe closer to 75 or 100).
> So although I wish I was later in the day and had caught some later or sunset
> light, this was probably my one shot at the bridge. May show some other photos
> from other vantage points later.
>
> Nothing special, really. Typical tourist shot.
>
> I've tweaked the color once already, could tweak again.
>
> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/thebridge.htm
>
> Comments welcome.
>
> Marnie aka Doe
>
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Re: PESO - THE Bridge

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 8/19/2006 9:40:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It seems the bridge is tilting a bit to the right.  Probably just my 
eyes, it is late.  Nice capture, I think I'd like it larger.
===
Thanks, Peter. No, it could use some perspective adjustment. As John said 
because I was shooting from below.

Marnie

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Re: PESO - THE Bridge

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 8/20/2006 12:44:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
A wonderful vision of an oft-photgraphed site.  Great work!
=
Thanks!

Marnie

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Re: PESO - THE Bridge

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I love bridges, and have visited many great ones throughout the world,
including Pont Neuf and Pont Alexandre III in Paris, Ponte Vecchio in
Florence, the Tower Bridge in London, the Brooklyn Bridge in New York,
the Kintai Bridge in Japan, and the Rialto Bridge and Bridge of Sighs
in Venice.  The Golden Gate is in a class by itself, however, in my
opinion rivaled only by the Charles Bridge in Prague.  You have done
an excellent job of portraying the character and personality of the
Golden Gate.

> On 8/18/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > That's right, not a faux bridge, or a substitute bridge... THE Bridge. :-)

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Re: PESO - THE Bridge

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 8/26/2006 2:35:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I love bridges, and have visited many great ones throughout the world,
including Pont Neuf and Pont Alexandre III in Paris, Ponte Vecchio in
Florence, the Tower Bridge in London, the Brooklyn Bridge in New York,
the Kintai Bridge in Japan, and the Rialto Bridge and Bridge of Sighs
in Venice.  The Golden Gate is in a class by itself, however, in my
opinion rivaled only by the Charles Bridge in Prague.  You have done
an excellent job of portraying the character and personality of the
Golden Gate.
=
Wow. Thanks.

Marnie aka Doe 

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Re: PESO - The Bridge

[Dario Bonazza]

Wet bride, lucky bride?

Dario
- Original Message - 
From: "Bruce Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 11:51 PM
Subject: PESO - The Bridge



I flew out to Baltimore several weeks ago to do the photography for my
niece's wedding.  This is one of the shots from an outdoor bridal
portrait session.

Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, handheld
ISO 200, 1/180 sec @ f/5.6

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bullock_0109.htm

Comments welcome

--
Bruce

RE: PESO - The Bridge

[Shel Belinkoff]

Hi Bruce ...

The first thing that stands out is the light ... it's gorgeous and you've
captured it well.  The look on the bride's face, the way she's holding the
flower is all just about perfect.  However, there's a big flaw in the pic,
and that's the lack of detail in her gown down at the bottom.  It seems to
detract and perhaps even ruin the way you've caught the light in the rest
of the photo. 

I don't quite get where she's sitting.  It appears she's sitting on the
fence.  It appears a bit awkward for a bridal portrait.  My first reaction
is that her sitting on the fence indicates that she's unsure about being
married: should she or shouldn't she ... only her photographer knows for
sure (paraphrasing an old hair coloring commercial).  Perhaps you can
explain her seating a bit.

Still, even with my being critical, I ~do~ like the photo.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Date: 9/6/2005 2:53:30 PM
> Subject: PESO - The Bridge
>
> I flew out to Baltimore several weeks ago to do the photography for my
> niece's wedding.  This is one of the shots from an outdoor bridal
> portrait session.
>
> Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, handheld
> ISO 200, 1/180 sec @ f/5.6
>
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bullock_0109.htm
>
> Comments welcome
>
> -- 
> Bruce

Re: PESO - The Bridge

[John Francis]

On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 02:51:34PM -0700, Bruce Dayton wrote:
> I flew out to Baltimore several weeks ago to do the photography for my
> niece's wedding.  This is one of the shots from an outdoor bridal
> portrait session.
> 
> Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, handheld
> ISO 200, 1/180 sec @ f/5.6
> 
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bullock_0109.htm
> 
> Comments welcome

I've gone back to this several times.  I think there's just too
much of the space given up to the bridge and to the lower skirt
portion of the gown, neither of which have much interesting detail.

I love the angle of the head, the detail on the bodice, the flower
(and, in particular, just how well the lighting shows these off).

I think a much tighter crop would produce a stronger image.

Re: PESO - The Bridge

[Bruce Dayton]

I'll explain as best I can.  One of the things I have learned about
doing paid weddings and portraits is that you rarely get to pick the
time or place to take the pictures.  But yet, you still have to
produce images that will make the couple (and mother) happy.  I had a
little control in this case, but not too much.  The time of day was
11am - sun climbing overhead - I was hoping for about 8-9 am.  The
weather was hot and muggy - about 90 degrees and 90% humidity.  Can't
leave the bride out of the AC in the car for very long or she will
melt.  Not being from the Baltimore, the areas are all foreign to me
and I don't get any time to case them out.  So we had to go to this
location when they were ready and decide if the light was going to
work or not.

The bridge itself, has no significant meaning about the bride's
feelings.  Rather, I have found that it can provide a nice way to show
off the wedding dress.  Certainly not the only one, but one of many
possibilities.  Seating her on the bridge worked quite well because
hidden on the inside was a post that she could rest her inside foot
and to help her balance and hold her snugly upright.

When I saw the backlight on her veil and the soft lighting on her
face, I felt that this was a spot to do some shots at.

One other aspect of wedding dresses that can get passed over by
photographers is the general shape of the dress rather than just
detailed beadwork.  The bridge pose can really show off the dress in
this manner.

Many shots are taken and then shown as proofs for the couple to look
through.  If they pick certain ones for prints then those might get
some extra work to bring out any detail (highlights and shadows) that
might be available in the raw image.

The full shots in this series are here.  Clicking on the 'Next' link
will cycle you through them.  These are all at proof stage right now.
The couple has not finalized anything yet.

http://www.daytonphoto.com/Galleries/Bullock/bullock_0106.htm

-- 
Bruce


Tuesday, September 6, 2005, 3:39:50 PM, you wrote:

SB> Hi Bruce ...

SB> The first thing that stands out is the light ... it's gorgeous and you've
SB> captured it well.  The look on the bride's face, the way she's holding the
SB> flower is all just about perfect.  However, there's a big flaw in the pic,
SB> and that's the lack of detail in her gown down at the bottom. It seems to
SB> detract and perhaps even ruin the way you've caught the light in the rest
SB> of the photo. 

SB> I don't quite get where she's sitting.  It appears she's sitting on the
SB> fence.  It appears a bit awkward for a bridal portrait.  My first reaction
SB> is that her sitting on the fence indicates that she's unsure about being
SB> married: should she or shouldn't she ... only her photographer knows for
SB> sure (paraphrasing an old hair coloring commercial).  Perhaps you can
SB> explain her seating a bit.

SB> Still, even with my being critical, I ~do~ like the photo.

SB> Shel 


>> [Original Message]
>> From: Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Date: 9/6/2005 2:53:30 PM
>> Subject: PESO - The Bridge
>>
>> I flew out to Baltimore several weeks ago to do the photography for my
>> niece's wedding.  This is one of the shots from an outdoor bridal
>> portrait session.
>>
>> Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, handheld
>> ISO 200, 1/180 sec @ f/5.6
>>
>> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bullock_0109.htm
>>
>> Comments welcome
>>
>> -- 
>> Bruce

Re: PESO - The Bridge

[frank theriault]

On 9/6/05, Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I flew out to Baltimore several weeks ago to do the photography for my
> niece's wedding.  This is one of the shots from an outdoor bridal
> portrait session.
> 
> Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, handheld
> ISO 200, 1/180 sec @ f/5.6
> 
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bullock_0109.htm
> 
> Comments welcome
> 

Gorgeous wedding pic, Bruce.  The light's about perfect, and you've
captured it beautifully.  The bride is just stunning, and you've
caught a beautiful, serene expression on her face.  Interesting
location and pose.

I really like it, as I'm sure she and her family will.

cheers,
frank

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Re: PESO - The Bridge

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 9/6/2005 2:53:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I flew out to Baltimore several weeks ago to do the photography for my
niece's wedding.  This is one of the shots from an outdoor bridal
portrait session.

Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, handheld
ISO 200, 1/180 sec @ f/5.6

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bullock_0109.htm

Comments welcome

-- 
Bruce
===
Lovely shot of the bride, although I don't care much for the bridge. But you 
explained that.

Your niece was lucky to have you.

Marnie aka Doe 

Re: PESO - The Bridge

[brooksdj]

> On 9/6/05, Bruce Dayton 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I flew out to Baltimore several weeks ago to do the photography for my
> > niece's wedding.  This is one of the shots from an outdoor bridal
> > portrait session.
> > 
> > Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, handheld
> > ISO 200, 1/180 sec @ f/5.6
> > 
> > http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bullock_0109.htm
> > 
> > Comments welcome

Just a great shot Bruce. The llighting and pose are great. I like the way you 
have her on
the railing and 
how she is looking a bit down.

I must admit,my A70-210 f4 pics are not always as nice as these,but, i think 
its in the ay
i hold it. I seem 
to move focus a tad just when i dont want to. I keep thinking turn to zoom not 
push.LOL
Loose focus ring i suppose.

Dave

SV: PESO - The Bridge

[Jens Bladt]

Beautiful photograph. And hardly any burned out high lights, which is the
challenge about brides, isn't it`?
Jens

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Emne: PESO - The Bridge


I flew out to Baltimore several weeks ago to do the photography for my
niece's wedding.  This is one of the shots from an outdoor bridal
portrait session.

Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, handheld
ISO 200, 1/180 sec @ f/5.6

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bullock_0109.htm

Comments welcome

--
Bruce

RE: PESO - The Bridge

[Robert Whitehouse]

> -Original Message-
> From: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 07 September 2005 00:36
> To: Shel Belinkoff
> Subject: Re: PESO - The Bridge
> 
> 
> The full shots in this series are here.  Clicking on the 'Next' link
> will cycle you through them.  These are all at proof stage right now.
> The couple has not finalized anything yet.
> 
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/Galleries/Bullock/bullock_0106.htm
> 
> --
> Bruce
> 

Lovely shots Bruce.

I have a friend at work who has asked me to shoot his wedding next spring.
He knows that I'm not a pro but I hope and expect that I can get a few
decent shots.

Anyway - I'm really interested in you shots and have been thorough most of
the proofs. With one exception, serial 192, they are all well executed and
some are great. 

Would you answer a couple of questions ?

1. did you use any fill-flash on the bridge shots ?
2. What settings do you use for contrast/sharpness etc.
3. Did the dress cause any exposure problems (did you use compensation ?)

Thanks

Rob W
 

Re: PESO - The Bridge

[Bruce Dayton]

Hello Dario,

Fortunately, not wet.  She was able to hook her inside leg against a
bridge support that can't be seen in the picture.  She was quite
stable.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Tuesday, September 6, 2005, 2:56:26 PM, you wrote:

DB> Wet bride, lucky bride?

DB> Dario
DB> - Original Message - 
DB> From: "Bruce Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
DB> To: 
DB> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 11:51 PM
DB> Subject: PESO - The Bridge


>>I flew out to Baltimore several weeks ago to do the photography for my
>> niece's wedding.  This is one of the shots from an outdoor bridal
>> portrait session.
>> 
>> Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, handheld
>> ISO 200, 1/180 sec @ f/5.6
>> 
>> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bullock_0109.htm
>> 
>> Comments welcome
>> 
>> -- 
>> Bruce
>>

Re: PESO - The Bridge

[Bruce Dayton]

Hello John,

In the reply to Shel, I posted a link to the beginning of that series.
There are some tighter shots that perhaps you might like more.  Here
is the link again:
http://www.daytonphoto.com/Galleries/Bullock/bullock_0106.htm

Thanks for your comments.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Tuesday, September 6, 2005, 4:16:08 PM, you wrote:

JF> On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 02:51:34PM -0700, Bruce Dayton wrote:
>> I flew out to Baltimore several weeks ago to do the photography for my
>> niece's wedding.  This is one of the shots from an outdoor bridal
>> portrait session.
>> 
>> Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, handheld
>> ISO 200, 1/180 sec @ f/5.6
>> 
>> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bullock_0109.htm
>> 
>> Comments welcome

JF> I've gone back to this several times.  I think there's just too
JF> much of the space given up to the bridge and to the lower skirt
JF> portion of the gown, neither of which have much interesting detail.

JF> I love the angle of the head, the detail on the bodice, the flower
JF> (and, in particular, just how well the lighting shows these off).

JF> I think a much tighter crop would produce a stronger image.

Re: PESO - The Bridge

[Bruce Dayton]

Frank,

I appreciate your comments.  The couple and family like the whole
bridge series.  Now they just have to pick between them.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Wednesday, September 7, 2005, 5:30:22 AM, you wrote:

ft> On 9/6/05, Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I flew out to Baltimore several weeks ago to do the photography for my
>> niece's wedding.  This is one of the shots from an outdoor bridal
>> portrait session.
>> 
>> Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, handheld
>> ISO 200, 1/180 sec @ f/5.6
>> 
>> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bullock_0109.htm
>> 
>> Comments welcome
>> 

ft> Gorgeous wedding pic, Bruce.  The light's about perfect, and you've
ft> captured it beautifully.  The bride is just stunning, and you've
ft> caught a beautiful, serene expression on her face.  Interesting
ft> location and pose.

ft> I really like it, as I'm sure she and her family will.

ft> cheers,
ft> frank

Re: PESO - The Bridge

[Bruce Dayton]

Thanks, Marnie.  Obviously, some people haven't cared for the bridge.

-- 
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Bruce


Wednesday, September 7, 2005, 7:51:35 AM, you wrote:

Eac> In a message dated 9/6/2005 2:53:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
Eac> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Eac> I flew out to Baltimore several weeks ago to do the photography for my
Eac> niece's wedding.  This is one of the shots from an outdoor bridal
Eac> portrait session.

Eac> Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, handheld
Eac> ISO 200, 1/180 sec @ f/5.6

Eac> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bullock_0109.htm

Eac> Comments welcome

Re: PESO - The Bridge

[Bruce Dayton]

Dave,

Always good to hear from you.  Thanks for your kind words.  When I
hold the zoom, I have it cradled in my left palm so a sliding motion
zooms it and rotating focuses it.  That works best for me.

-- 
Bruce


Wednesday, September 7, 2005, 11:19:57 AM, you wrote:

bcin>   > On 9/6/05, Bruce Dayton 
bcin> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > I flew out to Baltimore several weeks ago to do the photography for my
>> > niece's wedding.  This is one of the shots from an outdoor bridal
>> > portrait session.
>> > 
>> > Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, handheld
>> > ISO 200, 1/180 sec @ f/5.6
>> > 
>> > http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bullock_0109.htm
>> > 
>> > Comments welcome

bcin> Just a great shot Bruce. The llighting and pose are
bcin> great. I like the way you have her on
bcin> the railing and 
bcin> how she is looking a bit down.

bcin> I must admit,my A70-210 f4 pics are not always as nice as
bcin> these,but, i think its in the ay
bcin> i hold it. I seem 
bcin> to move focus a tad just when i dont want to. I keep
bcin> thinking turn to zoom not push.LOL
bcin> Loose focus ring i suppose.

bcin> Dave  

Re: PESO - The Bridge

[Bruce Dayton]

One thing I can say about shooting weddings is that practice really
helps.  Once it starts, you have to be on a fast pace and don't have
time to do anything over or think through things too much.  Almost
every wedding I have done has had a time factor problem that ended up
squeezing in on the photography time.

As to your questions:
1) Daytime shots are typically fill flashed with about -1.5 stops of
flash compensation.  Looking to just lighten shadows a bit, put a
catchlight in the eyes and warm up the shot.  When greater distances
are involved then I may not do that.  The bridge shots had fill flash
on.
2) I only shoot in raw at this point.  This is especially important
with weddings as there will be times when you will have things set
wrong if you are shooting jpg.  You will forget to reset them in the
heat of the battle and end up doing much photoshop work to fix your
wrong settings.  With raw, you don't have to worry about any of those
settings until after the wedding is done.
3) I don't use any of the automatic modes on the camera for weddings
and portraits.  I set the camera to manual mode and center weighted
metering.  I typically meter off a mid toned object in the same light.
The Hyper Manual capability makes this very quick to do.  Preset the f
stop by spinning the dial to what I want and press the green button
when pointing at the object.  That sets the shutter speed.  Then I
shoot until the lighting is different.  If the lighting is tricky like
a white dress, I might take the first shot and then look at a
histogram quickly to see if I am way off or not.  Evening receptions
quite often require full flash.  In that case I use an AF400T set on
TTL with a Lumiquest softbox on it.  I'll take a shot of the bride in
her white dress and a shot of the groom in his black and set exposure
comp to deal with it.  Most commonly it is about -2 stops with that
combination.

Feel free to ask any other questions you might have.


-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Wednesday, September 7, 2005, 1:01:06 PM, you wrote:

RW> Lovely shots Bruce.

RW> I have a friend at work who has asked me to shoot his wedding next spring.
RW> He knows that I'm not a pro but I hope and expect that I can get a few
RW> decent shots.

RW> Anyway - I'm really interested in you shots and have been thorough most of
RW> the proofs. With one exception, serial 192, they are all well executed and
RW> some are great. 

RW> Would you answer a couple of questions ?

RW> 1. did you use any fill-flash on the bridge shots ?
RW> 2. What settings do you use for contrast/sharpness etc.
RW> 3. Did the dress cause any exposure problems (did you use compensation ?)

RW> Thanks

RW> Rob W
 

Re: PESO - The Bridge

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!


I flew out to Baltimore several weeks ago to do the photography for my
niece's wedding.  This is one of the shots from an outdoor bridal
portrait session.

Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, handheld
ISO 200, 1/180 sec @ f/5.6

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bullock_0109.htm


Very interesting photo and very interesting discussion thereof...

I have only thing to say... I would wish (purely theoretically) that 
same shot(s) would be made with film and then the results compared...


Technically, Bruce, I think you made all out of it and I am not 
questioning that. However I think that here film would outperform 
digital by means of wider dynamic range...


Although I absolutely agree with you, especially having looked at the 
series as a whole, that with digital is many time more convenient to 
shoot that with film. And the of course, if it sells why bother with film...


As usual, I thank you for the lesson(s).

Boris

Re: PESO - The Bridge

[brooksdj]

I'll try that next outing.

Dave  

> Dave,
> 
> Always good to hear from you.  Thanks for your kind words.  When I
> hold the zoom, I have it cradled in my left palm so a sliding motion
> zooms it and rotating focuses it.  That works best for me.
> 
> -- 
> Bruce

RE: PESO - The Bridge

[Tim Øsleby]

I really like this shot Bruce. As many before me has said, her pose and
expression is very good, and the lighting too. 
If I ever decide to marry my beloved, then I'll ask you to come over to do
the shooting ;-)

I would love to see a tighter cropped version. #115 suggests it would be
wonderful. Combining the pose and lighting in £109, and the composition of
#115, that might make an even stronger picture. 


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)

> -Original Message-
> From: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 6. september 2005 23:52
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: PESO - The Bridge
> 
> I flew out to Baltimore several weeks ago to do the photography for my
> niece's wedding.  This is one of the shots from an outdoor bridal
> portrait session.
> 
> Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, handheld
> ISO 200, 1/180 sec @ f/5.6
> 
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bullock_0109.htm
> 
> Comments welcome
> 
> --
> Bruce
> 

Re: PESO - The Bridge

[Bruce Dayton]

Hello Tim,

Thanks for the comments.  Of course, I would love to come visit your
country and shoot your wedding. :)

-- 
Bruce


Thursday, September 8, 2005, 6:00:05 AM, you wrote:

TØ> I really like this shot Bruce. As many before me has said, her pose and
TØ> expression is very good, and the lighting too. 
TØ> If I ever decide to marry my beloved, then I'll ask you to come over to do
TØ> the shooting ;-)

TØ> I would love to see a tighter cropped version. #115 suggests it would be
TØ> wonderful. Combining the pose and lighting in £109, and the composition of
TØ> #115, that might make an even stronger picture. 


TØ> Tim
TØ> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 
TØ> Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
TØ> (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)

>> -Original Message-
>> From: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: 6. september 2005 23:52
>> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
>> Subject: PESO - The Bridge
>> 
>> I flew out to Baltimore several weeks ago to do the photography for my
>> niece's wedding.  This is one of the shots from an outdoor bridal
>> portrait session.
>> 
>> Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, handheld
>> ISO 200, 1/180 sec @ f/5.6
>> 
>> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bullock_0109.htm
>> 
>> Comments welcome
>> 
>> --
>> Bruce
>> 

PESO: The bridge to...

[Bruce Dayton]

I am interested in thoughts and comments on this one.

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_0023.htm

*istD, DA 16-45/4



Thanks,

Bruce

RE: SV: PESO - The Bridge

[Shel Belinkoff]

Are burnt out highlights becoming acceptable these days?

Shel 

> [Original Message]
> From: Jens Bladt 

> Beautiful photograph. And hardly any burned out high lights

> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bullock_0109.htm

Re: SV: PESO - The Bridge

[Cotty]

On 7/9/05, Shel Belinkoff, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Are burnt out highlights becoming acceptable these days?

Actually I used to strive for high contrast in my film days. I loved
burned out highlights.

Now when I do it, nobody believes me!




Cheers,
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Re: SV: PESO - The Bridge

[Bruce Dayton]

Hello Jens,

Yes, highlights are a problem, especially when the groom is in the
shot wearing black.  Thanks for your comments.

-- 
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Bruce


Wednesday, September 7, 2005, 12:28:13 PM, you wrote:

JB> Beautiful photograph. And hardly any burned out high lights, which is the
JB> challenge about brides, isn't it`?
JB> Jens

JB> Jens Bladt
JB> Arkitekt MAA
JB> http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


JB> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
JB> Fra: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
JB> Sendt: 6. september 2005 23:52
JB> Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
JB> Emne: PESO - The Bridge


JB> I flew out to Baltimore several weeks ago to do the photography for my
JB> niece's wedding.  This is one of the shots from an outdoor bridal
JB> portrait session.

JB> Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, handheld
JB> ISO 200, 1/180 sec @ f/5.6

JB> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bullock_0109.htm

JB> Comments welcome

JB> --
JB> Bruce

Re: SV: PESO - The Bridge

[Paul Stenquist]

Burnt out highlights are certainly acceptable in some compositions. For 
example, specular highlights on water that are out of the range can be 
quite beautiful. In the case of the bride photo, however, I would have 
liked to see detail in that part of the dress. I was wondering if this 
started out life as a RAW digital file. If so, was there an attempt to 
pull the exposure level down and restore the midtones with the 
brightness slider? That strategy can bring back a stop or more on the 
high end.

Paul
On Sep 7, 2005, at 5:42 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:


Are burnt out highlights becoming acceptable these days?

Shel


[Original Message]
From: Jens Bladt



Beautiful photograph. And hardly any burned out high lights



http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bullock_0109.htm

Re: SV: PESO - The Bridge

[Boris Liberman]

Actually I used to strive for high contrast in my film days. I loved
burned out highlights.

Now when I do it, nobody believes me!


Nah, I ain't no believing ya... ;-)

Boris

RE: PESO: The bridge to...

[Don Sanderson]

No offense meant, certain things just get to me.
We have a couple of beautiful covered bridges up north,
they put "Chain Link Fence" :-( over the windows so no one would jump out!
Might's well have painted the beautiful aged oak purple!
You are of course 100% correct, just my (old hippie) hangup about
"steel and concrete" in otherwise attractive settings.
The railing just happened to be the first thing that caught my eye.
Someone else was distracted by the background, with me it was the railing.

Sorry Bruce, certainly an excellent photo, just not to my (questionable)
taste.

Don

> -Original Message-
> From: Keith Whaley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 2:09 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: PESO: The bridge to...
>
>
> Heck, it is what it is, Don!
> You certainly wouldn't expect a bridge over a chasm withOUT a
> railing, would
> you?
>
> keith whaley
>
> Don Sanderson wrote:
>
> > Great perspcective and depth, awesome colors, but I'm afraid
> the iron pipe
> > railing blows it for me.
> > Not your fault, just the subjet.
> >
> > Don
>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:55 AM
> >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>Subject: PESO: The bridge to...
> >>
> >>
> >>I am interested in thoughts and comments on this one.
> >>
> >>http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_0023.htm
> >>
> >>*istD, DA 16-45/4
>
> >>Thanks,
> >>
> >>Bruce
>
>

Re: PESO: The bridge to...

[Bruce Dayton]

Hello Don,

I truly appreciate comments.  This is a case where I am unsure about
my overall feelings concerning this one.  So I figured on putting it
up and getting some feedback from others, who's opinions I value.
Thanks for all input, good, bad or otherwise.

-- 
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Bruce


Saturday, August 7, 2004, 12:36:36 PM, you wrote:

DS> No offense meant, certain things just get to me.
DS> We have a couple of beautiful covered bridges up north,
DS> they put "Chain Link Fence" :-( over the windows so no one would jump out!
DS> Might's well have painted the beautiful aged oak purple!
DS> You are of course 100% correct, just my (old hippie) hangup about
DS> "steel and concrete" in otherwise attractive settings.
DS> The railing just happened to be the first thing that caught my eye.
DS> Someone else was distracted by the background, with me it was the railing.

DS> Sorry Bruce, certainly an excellent photo, just not to my (questionable)
DS> taste.

DS> Don

>> -Original Message-
>> From: Keith Whaley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 2:09 PM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: Re: PESO: The bridge to...
>>
>>
>> Heck, it is what it is, Don!
>> You certainly wouldn't expect a bridge over a chasm withOUT a
>> railing, would
>> you?
>>
>> keith whaley
>>
>> Don Sanderson wrote:
>>
>> > Great perspcective and depth, awesome colors, but I'm afraid
>> the iron pipe
>> > railing blows it for me.
>> > Not your fault, just the subjet.
>> >
>> > Don
>>
>> >>-Original Message-
>> >>From: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >>Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:55 AM
>> >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >>Subject: PESO: The bridge to...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>I am interested in thoughts and comments on this one.
>> >>
>> >>http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_0023.htm
>> >>
>> >>*istD, DA 16-45/4
>>
>> >>Thanks,
>> >>
>> >>Bruce
>>
>>

Re: PESO: The bridge to...

[Brian Walters]

Hi Bruce

I like the composition - simple and very effective. A classic "lead the eye into
the picture" composition.  I'd like to have seen the same image photographed
later in the day - I think the colours in the vegetation and soils in the
distance might have had a bit more impact then?   

I didn't pick up on the apparent tilting of the bridge until John mentioned it
but I can see what he means.

Cheers

Brian

+

Brian Walters
Western Sydney, Australia

On Sat Aug  7 10:54 , Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent:

>I am interested in thoughts and comments on this one.
>
>http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_0023.htm
>
>*istD, DA 16-45/4
>
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Bruce
>


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PESO: The Bridge at Cranbrook Gardens

[paul stenquist]

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9231711

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Re: PESO: The Bridge to Sweeden

[Jens]

One morning on my way to work, I saw this.  I felt lucky to have my camera with 
me :-)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/2687619949/
Regards
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Re: PESO: The Bridge to Sweeden

[frank theriault]

On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Jens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> One morning on my way to work, I saw this.  I felt lucky to have my camera 
> with me :-)
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/2687619949/
> Regards
> Jens
>
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That is a way cool shot!

cheers,
frank

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Re: PESO: The Bridge to Sweeden

[Mark Roberts]

Jens wrote:
> One morning on my way to work, I saw this.  I felt lucky to have my camera 
> with me :-)
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/2687619949/

Wow! That's a stunner!


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Re: PESO: The Bridge to Sweeden

[Doug Franklin]

frank theriault wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Jens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> One morning on my way to work, I saw this.  I felt lucky to have my camera 
>> with me :-)
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/2687619949/
> 
> That is a way cool shot!

Definitely a cool shot.  Plus, I didn't even know there was a bridge 
between Denmark and Sweden, either, so I learned something, too! :-)

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RE: PESO: The Bridge to Sweeden

[Bob W]

Wow. 

> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Jens
> Sent: 01 August 2008 22:00
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> 
> One morning on my way to work, I saw this.  I felt lucky to 
> have my camera with me :-)
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/2687619949/
> Regards
> Jens
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Re: PESO: The Bridge to Sweeden

[drew]

Jens wrote:
> One morning on my way to work, I saw this.  I felt lucky to have my camera 
> with me :-)
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/2687619949/
> Regards
> Jens
> 

Great shot... would love to see a print of that.  I went over that 
bridge when I was in Sweden... it's a cool bridge (if a bridge can be cool).

Drew.

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Re: PESO: The Bridge to Sweeden

[John Francis]

On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 06:14:13PM -0400, Doug Franklin wrote:
> frank theriault wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Jens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> One morning on my way to work, I saw this.  I felt lucky to have my camera 
> >> with me :-)
> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/2687619949/
> > 
> > That is a way cool shot!
> 
> Definitely a cool shot.  Plus, I didn't even know there was a bridge 
> between Denmark and Sweden, either, so I learned something, too! :-)

I knew they built it, although when I was there (early '70s) the way to
get from Malmo to Copenhagen was on the hydrofoil.  It was fascinating
(in a road accident kind of way) to watch the hard-core drinkers line
up a whole row of drinks and knock them back during the brief period
duty-free service was offered.

Or, of course, you could take the slow (but cheap) ferry, and get a
couple of hours drinking time.


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Re: PESO: The Bridge to Sweeden

[Christine Aguila]

- Original Message - 
From: "Jens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> One morning on my way to work, I saw this.  I felt lucky to have my camera 
> with me :-)
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/2687619949/


My husband & I thought this stunning.  Wow.  Magnificent.  Cheers, Christine 



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Re: PESO: The Bridge to Sweeden

[Bob Sullivan]

Wow (also)

On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Jens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> One morning on my way to work, I saw this.  I felt lucky to have my camera 
> with me :-)
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/2687619949/
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> Jens
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Re: PESO: The Bridge to Sweeden

[Paul Stenquist]

Very nice. I'll have to send it to my relatives in Sweden.
Paul
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> frank theriault wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Jens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> One morning on my way to work, I saw this.  I felt lucky to have  
>>> my camera with me :-)
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/2687619949/
>>
>> That is a way cool shot!
>
> Definitely a cool shot.  Plus, I didn't even know there was a bridge
> between Denmark and Sweden, either, so I learned something, too! :-)
>
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> DougF (KG4LMZ)
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Re: PESO: The Bridge at Cranbrook Gardens

[Bruce Dayton]

This is a tricky one for me.  The time of day makes it pretty tough
with such harsh light, but the bridge itself turned out pretty good.
I think I'd like to see Grace in sharp focus somehow - or maybe on
the bridge or something.

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Re: PESO: The Bridge at Cranbrook Gardens

[Christine Aguila]

Hi Paul:  I agree with Bruce.  Also, Grace's skin shows up yellow-greenish 
in my monitor.  YMMV.  The place looks lovely.  Cheers, Christine



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Subject: Re: PESO: The Bridge at Cranbrook Gardens



This is a tricky one for me.  The time of day makes it pretty tough
with such harsh light, but the bridge itself turned out pretty good.
I think I'd like to see Grace in sharp focus somehow - or maybe on
the bridge or something.

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Re: PESO: The Bridge at Cranbrook Gardens

[Bob Sullivan]

Paul,
Part of the problem is it looks like Grace is hesitant to cross this bridge.
Kind of, what the hell is this?  You've lost her cute enthusiasm.
just my 2 cents...   Bob S.

On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Christine  Aguila
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> Hi Paul:  I agree with Bruce.  Also, Grace's skin shows up yellow-greenish
> in my monitor.  YMMV.  The place looks lovely.  Cheers, Christine
>
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>> I think I'd like to see Grace in sharp focus somehow - or maybe on
>> the bridge or something.
>>
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Fried Highlights, Decline in Photo Quality (was PESO - The Bridge)

[Shel Belinkoff]

I wasn't referring to specular highlights, but to areas like you noted on
the dress in Bruce's photograph,  (Sorry Bruce, not picking on you or the
photo specifically, just using it as an example), which, BTW, he explained
in the detailed response he sent earlier.

What I'm seeing with digi are more and more fried highlights in more and
more pics, and Jens' comment seemed to indicate that it was acceptable. I
noticed bright areas in the photo of your grand daughter that seem to be
acceptable to you and to others (at least no one commented on them), that
I'd not find acceptable and which would probably (note the qualifier) not
have appeared had the photo been made with film, or perhaps with greater
care or attention to detail (again, not to be picking specifically on you).

The test photos I made in the garden showing the tree leaves that were shot
raw and presented unaltered, showed the difference that 1/3 stop of
exposure could make.  Overall, I'm seeing a decline in what many
photographers and editors consider acceptable quality.  Is this a result of
digital?  I suspect that it is to a degree.  I also attribute it to other
factors.

However, I'd like to see more photographers taking greater care with the
photos they present, learning more about what makes a good photo (at least
technically), and spending more time correcting small details.  I'm
disheartened to see what I perceive as an overall decline in the quality of
photography.

Shel 
"Am I paranoid or perceptive?" 


> [Original Message]
> From: Paul Stenquist 
> Subject: Re: SV: PESO - The Bridge
>
> Burnt out highlights are certainly acceptable in some compositions. For 
> example, specular highlights on water that are out of the range can be 
> quite beautiful. In the case of the bride photo, however, I would have 
> liked to see detail in that part of the dress. I was wondering if this 
> started out life as a RAW digital file. If so, was there an attempt to 
> pull the exposure level down and restore the midtones with the 
> brightness slider? That strategy can bring back a stop or more on the 
> high end.

> Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>
> > Are burnt out highlights becoming acceptable these days?
> >
> > Shel
> >
> >> [Original Message]
> >> From: Jens Bladt
> >
> >> Beautiful photograph. And hardly any burned out high lights
> >
> >> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bullock_0109.htm
> >
> >

Re: Fried Highlights, Decline in Photo Quality (was PESO - The Bridge)

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Sep 7, 2005, at 6:53 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
What I'm seeing with digi are more and more fried highlights in  
more and
more pics, and Jens' comment seemed to indicate that it was  
acceptable.


I can't speak for Jens or Paul,  but burned out Zone IX areas to me  
are anathema. I choose very carefully what I want to burn, as it  
were, and render to achieve what was in my mind's eye when I made the  
exposure.


I noticed bright areas in the photo of your grand daughter that  
seem to be
acceptable to you and to others (at least no one commented on  
them), that
I'd not find acceptable and which would probably (note the  
qualifier) not
have appeared had the photo been made with film, or perhaps with  
greater
care or attention to detail (again, not to be picking specifically  
on you).


It's very hard, if not impossible, to make a web-resolution rendering  
that will express all the tonal subtleties of a larger rendering  
without a lot of extra work for the web rendering. When I look at a  
normal size photograph on a web page, I think of it primarily as a  
proof quality image: the real, full resolution image printed to  
maximize its quality will be far nicer, and is only seeable in a  
large physical print.


The same is true of scanned film images. Remember: no matter what  
you're seeing on screen, it's a digital image rendered to a  
relatively low resolution rendering.


Of course, getting precisely the *right* exposure for a RAW file and  
processing it with the correct parameters is at least as critical for  
digital capture as it is for film, and is essential for scenes like a  
bride in a white dress against natural foliage outdoors. Great  
attention to detail and care in making the rendering is necessary,  
whether working with film or digital. It's not so different as it  
might seem.


A sidebar:
One of the interesting things, to me anyway, about digital capture  
and digital printing is that printing larger increases resolution and  
improves tonal gradation up to the point that pixelation causes the  
image quality to fall apart. The onset of pixelation kills quality  
very very fast. Film images, magnified and printed with an enlarger,  
degrade slowly as magnification grows ... beyond a certain optimal  
point, it's a linear monotonic degradation. Scanned film images don't  
quite have the same characteristic as either: when you digitally  
print scanned film images at larger and larger magnifications, you  
also get increased grain and that degrades resolution and tonal  
qualities along with pixelation issues.


The test photos I made in the garden showing the tree leaves that  
were shot

raw and presented unaltered, showed the difference that 1/3 stop of
exposure could make.


There's no such thing as an "unaltered" RAW conversion. You made a  
conversion, a rendering of your captured data to RGB, using the  
defaults that the camera metadata provided in conjunction with  
however the RAW converter interpreted them. You could have easily  
changed the curves and recovered the highlight detail in those  
leaves, unless they were right over the edge of photosite saturation.  
That's the key: choose carefully where you're going to place your  
saturation point. With digital capture, it's a hard hard edge, unlike  
with negative film.



Overall, I'm seeing a decline in what many
photographers and editors consider acceptable quality.  Is this a  
result of
digital?  I suspect that it is to a degree.  I also attribute it to  
other

factors.


I think the other factors far outweigh the influence of the media  
change.


However, I'd like to see more photographers taking greater care  
with the
photos they present, learning more about what makes a good photo  
(at least

technically), and spending more time correcting small details.  I'm
disheartened to see what I perceive as an overall decline in the  
quality of

photography.


Written history going back to at least the Greeks is a long testament  
to older men bemoaning lost quality with the displacement of their  
world by the work of younger men.


]'-)

Godfrey

Re: Fried Highlights, Decline in Photo Quality (was PESO - The Bridge)

[Paul Stenquist]

I think the opposite is true. I see an overall improvement in the 
quality of photography, and I think it's due in part to digital. 
Shooting RAW gives the photographer more control than he or she could 
hope to attain with most -- perhaps all -- films.  And the near 
immediate review allows the photographer to correct mistakes. 
Controlling highlights isn't difficult. When shooting RAW, the Pentax 
meter seems to expose for them. The overall frame is often underexposed 
with the highlight within range. That's a good starting point in many 
cases. Being able to shape the response curve in the conversion process 
makes good results attainable in almost any circumstance. It's true 
that some shooters haven't yet figured out to work with digital, but I 
see more and more evidence every day that most practitioners are 
improving rapidly. Things are only going to get better. It's 
inevitable.

Paul
On Sep 7, 2005, at 9:53 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

I wasn't referring to specular highlights, but to areas like you noted 
on
the dress in Bruce's photograph,  (Sorry Bruce, not picking on you or 
the
photo specifically, just using it as an example), which, BTW, he 
explained

in the detailed response he sent earlier.

What I'm seeing with digi are more and more fried highlights in more 
and
more pics, and Jens' comment seemed to indicate that it was 
acceptable. I
noticed bright areas in the photo of your grand daughter that seem to 
be
acceptable to you and to others (at least no one commented on them), 
that
I'd not find acceptable and which would probably (note the qualifier) 
not
have appeared had the photo been made with film, or perhaps with 
greater
care or attention to detail (again, not to be picking specifically on 
you).


The test photos I made in the garden showing the tree leaves that were 
shot

raw and presented unaltered, showed the difference that 1/3 stop of
exposure could make.  Overall, I'm seeing a decline in what many
photographers and editors consider acceptable quality.  Is this a 
result of
digital?  I suspect that it is to a degree.  I also attribute it to 
other

factors.

However, I'd like to see more photographers taking greater care with 
the
photos they present, learning more about what makes a good photo (at 
least

technically), and spending more time correcting small details.  I'm
disheartened to see what I perceive as an overall decline in the 
quality of

photography.

Shel
"Am I paranoid or perceptive?"



[Original Message]
From: Paul Stenquist
Subject: Re: SV: PESO - The Bridge

Burnt out highlights are certainly acceptable in some compositions. 
For

example, specular highlights on water that are out of the range can be
quite beautiful. In the case of the bride photo, however, I would have
liked to see detail in that part of the dress. I was wondering if this
started out life as a RAW digital file. If so, was there an attempt to
pull the exposure level down and restore the midtones with the
brightness slider? That strategy can bring back a stop or more on the
high end.



Shel Belinkoff wrote:


Are burnt out highlights becoming acceptable these days?

Shel


[Original Message]
From: Jens Bladt



Beautiful photograph. And hardly any burned out high lights



http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bullock_0109.htm

Re: Fried Highlights, Decline in Photo Quality (was PESO - The Bridge)

[Tom C]

Godfrey wrote (among other pragmatic and true utterings):



Written history going back to at least the Greeks is a long testament  to 
older men bemoaning lost quality with the displacement of their  world by 
the work of younger men.




Damn those Greeks were smart!  How old does one have to be to get in that 
group? :)  I have a feeling the age is going down.


Tom C.

Re: Fried Highlights, Decline in Photo Quality (was PESO - The Bridge)

[Paul Stenquist]

Hi Shel,
I neglected to address the point regarding my grand daughter's pic in 
the last post. On my monitor this shot doesn't show any highlights that 
are totally out of range. Some of the window light is quite bright. One 
might call it zone IX if we were discussing BW. And some areas in the 
folds of the paper are almost that bright. I placed these areas at that 
level intentionally. I like the feel of the bright window light 
splashing on the curtain and floor. And the highlights in the paper 
help define the folds. None of those areas are pure white. With film it 
would have been extremely difficult to place those highlights with any 
accuracy. It would certainly have required some burning in. A skill 
well beyond the limits of most of today's  color labs.

On Sep 7, 2005, at 9:53 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

I wasn't referring to specular highlights, but to areas like you noted 
on
the dress in Bruce's photograph,  (Sorry Bruce, not picking on you or 
the
photo specifically, just using it as an example), which, BTW, he 
explained

in the detailed response he sent earlier.

What I'm seeing with digi are more and more fried highlights in more 
and
more pics, and Jens' comment seemed to indicate that it was 
acceptable. I
noticed bright areas in the photo of your grand daughter that seem to 
be
acceptable to you and to others (at least no one commented on them), 
that
I'd not find acceptable and which would probably (note the qualifier) 
not
have appeared had the photo been made with film, or perhaps with 
greater
care or attention to detail (again, not to be picking specifically on 
you).


The test photos I made in the garden showing the tree leaves that were 
shot

raw and presented unaltered, showed the difference that 1/3 stop of
exposure could make.  Overall, I'm seeing a decline in what many
photographers and editors consider acceptable quality.  Is this a 
result of
digital?  I suspect that it is to a degree.  I also attribute it to 
other

factors.

However, I'd like to see more photographers taking greater care with 
the
photos they present, learning more about what makes a good photo (at 
least

technically), and spending more time correcting small details.  I'm
disheartened to see what I perceive as an overall decline in the 
quality of

photography.

Shel
"Am I paranoid or perceptive?"



[Original Message]
From: Paul Stenquist
Subject: Re: SV: PESO - The Bridge

Burnt out highlights are certainly acceptable in some compositions. 
For

example, specular highlights on water that are out of the range can be
quite beautiful. In the case of the bride photo, however, I would have
liked to see detail in that part of the dress. I was wondering if this
started out life as a RAW digital file. If so, was there an attempt to
pull the exposure level down and restore the midtones with the
brightness slider? That strategy can bring back a stop or more on the
high end.



Shel Belinkoff wrote:


Are burnt out highlights becoming acceptable these days?

Shel


[Original Message]
From: Jens Bladt



Beautiful photograph. And hardly any burned out high lights



http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bullock_0109.htm

Re: Fried Highlights, Decline in Photo Quality (was PESO - The Bridge)

[Eactivist]

One of these days you are going to define it so I understand it? Exactly what 
is a blown highlight?

Marnie aka Doe :-)

Re: Fried Highlights, Decline in Photo Quality (was PESO - The Bridge)

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Sep 7, 2005, at 10:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

One of these days you are going to define it so I understand it?  
Exactly what

is a blown highlight?


Here are some ways to define and understand the term:

- A "blown highlight" is a highlight area where you wanted *some*  
detail (like the subtle texture of a white shirt) but there is none:  
it's basically blank white in the image.


- In Zone System parlance, a blown highlight would be a Zone IX  
exposure that missed and overexposed by about a stop.


- In 8bit grayscale parlance, all pixel values in an image range  
between 0 and 255. A blown highlight is any area where you wanted to  
render some detail that has an average  pixel value over 220. (I set  
Zone IX areas to have pixel values between 185 and 220.)


Hope that helps. :-)

Godfrey

Re: Fried Highlights, Decline in Photo Quality (was PESO - The Bridge)

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 9/7/2005 10:34:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Here are some ways to define and understand the term:

- A "blown highlight" is a highlight area where you wanted *some*  
detail (like the subtle texture of a white shirt) but there is none:  
it's basically blank white in the image.

- In Zone System parlance, a blown highlight would be a Zone IX  
exposure that missed and overexposed by about a stop.

- In 8bit grayscale parlance, all pixel values in an image range  
between 0 and 255. A blown highlight is any area where you wanted to  
render some detail that has an average  pixel value over 220. (I set  
Zone IX areas to have pixel values between 185 and 220.)

Hope that helps. :-)

Godfrey
===
Yes, it does. Thanks.

I would think it's partly the photographer's preference then. Sometimes 
he/she may not want detail. Like the duck shown recently, which someone else 
later 
said was "high key".

I feel another survey coming on. :-)

Marnie aka Doe  Although I should report the results of the second to last 
one first (re exposure survey).

Re: Fried Highlights, Decline in Photo Quality (was PESO - The Bridge)

[Shel Belinkoff]

Since a picture is worth a thousand words, this may add graphically to what
Godfrey said, and with which I agree.

http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/blown.jpg

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> One of these days you are going to define it so I understand it? Exactly
what 
> is a blown highlight?

Re: Fried Highlights, Decline in Photo Quality (was PESO - The Bridge)

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 9/7/2005 10:48:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Since a picture is worth a thousand words, this may add graphically to what
Godfrey said, and with which I agree.

http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/blown.jpg

Shel 
=
Okay, stopped down more then the face would have been even darker. I don't 
get how in high contrast situations it can always be avoided.

Doe aka Marnie ;-)

Re: Fried Highlights, Decline in Photo Quality (was PESO - The Bridge)

[Eactivist]

My example:

For instance, bride in white. Posed by the wedding photographer, I just 
happened to be there. High contrast, white dress, she was in shadow. 

http://members.aol.com/eactivist/MEET/pages/bride.html

It actually doesn't look bad. But it is NOT as shot. I did post processing. 
Inexpert post processing, because I couldn't figure out how to do it with 
layers. But it came out with her face and one arm too dark, not enough detail, 
not 
pleasing, so I lightened them. Now I can see how one can do that with post 
processing, but not just with shooting.

Marnie aka Doe :-) And, at the time, of course, I let everyone think I SHOT 
it that way. Hehehehe.

Re: Fried Highlights, Decline in Photo Quality (was PESO - The Bridge)

[Shel Belinkoff]

There are numerous ways such a result can be avoided or dealt with
depending on the medium used.  B&W film, color negative, transparancy,
digital, all require or may use different techniques.  It's not just a
matter of "stopping down."  For example, one technique in B&W is to open up
and then cut back on development, or maybe just cut back a bit on
development, and in either case choose an appropriate grade of printing
paper for the desired result.  With digital, especially with a DSLR that
can use RAW capture, shooting in RAW, making the exposure appropriate for
the brightest part of the scene, and then making appropriated adjustments
using the RAW converter may be the way to go.

The trick - if it is a trick - is to understand the range of light and
contrast in the scene, how much range the media has, and how you can adjust
either in exposure or processing to compensate for shadows or highlights
that fall outside of that range.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



> Okay, stopped down more then the face would have been even darker. I
don't 
> get how in high contrast situations it can always be avoided.
>
> Doe aka Marnie ;-)

Re: Fried Highlights, Decline in Photo Quality (was PESO - The Bridge)

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Sep 7, 2005, at 10:49 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Since a picture is worth a thousand words, this may add  
graphically to what

Godfrey said, and with which I agree.

http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/blown.jpg


Okay, stopped down more then the face would have been even darker.  
I don't

get how in high contrast situations it can always be avoided.


Given the scene (and I am only looking at this JPEG example) and  
saving the exposure in RAW format, I would have exposed a stop or so  
less to retain some detailing in the dress, and adjusted the RAW  
converter to bring up the then slightly over-dark face.


Of course, I expect the photographer already did that to some degree  
and it might simply be out of scope for the available dynamic range  
of the sensor. The solution then is to flatten out the contrast by  
adding light to the darker areas with a flash or reflector, and use  
less exposure overall.


Weddings are a tough situation, lighting wise. Big white dresses on  
the women, dark suits on the men. Whoever came up with these  
conventions certainly wasn't thinking about photography. ;-)


Godfrey 

Re: Fried Highlights, Decline in Photo Quality (was PESO - The Bridge)

[Shel Belinkoff]

Bruce indicated that these were proofs and that  "If they pick certain ones
for prints then those might get some extra work to bring out any detail
(highlights and shadows) that might be available in the raw image." 

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> On Sep 7, 2005, at 10:49 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> > Okay, stopped down more then the face would have been even darker.  
> > I don't get how in high contrast situations it can always be avoided.
>
> Given the scene (and I am only looking at this JPEG example) and  
> saving the exposure in RAW format, I would have exposed a stop or so  
> less to retain some detailing in the dress, and adjusted the RAW  
> converter to bring up the then slightly over-dark face.
>
> Of course, I expect the photographer already did that to some degree  
> and it might simply be out of scope for the available dynamic range  
> of the sensor. The solution then is to flatten out the contrast by  
> adding light to the darker areas with a flash or reflector, and use  
> less exposure overall.

Re: Fried Highlights, Decline in Photo Quality (was PESO - The Bridge)

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 9/7/2005 11:07:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Whoever came up with these  
conventions certainly wasn't thinking about photography. ;-)

Godfrey 

Hehehe. Obviously not. Well, thanks Shel, Godfrey. Sounds like post 
processing is the way to go for digital.

Marnie aka Doe 

Re: Fried Highlights, Decline in Photo Quality (was PESO - The Bridge)

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> The test photos I made in the garden showing the tree leaves that were shot
> raw and presented unaltered, showed the difference that 1/3 stop of
> exposure could make.  Overall, I'm seeing a decline in what many
> photographers and editors consider acceptable quality.  Is this a result of
> digital?  I suspect that it is to a degree.  I also attribute it to other
> factors.

The biggest factor is probably time.  People thought that digital would be a 
"press and forget" experience, rather like they had with film when the 
processing was done by someone else.  When it turned out that it meant, in fact 
spanding a lot of time in front of a computer fiddling, suddenly "good enough" 
became the standard to reach.  Thus frazzled highlights become, not just 
acceptable, but the norm.

> 
> However, I'd like to see more photographers taking greater care with the
> photos they present, learning more about what makes a good photo (at least
> technically), and spending more time correcting small details.  I'm
> disheartened to see what I perceive as an overall decline in the quality of
> photography.

It's only a decline because people are doing their own work and do not know, 
because they have not been trained, what they should be looking for.

My father sent me some pictures he took with his Canon digital whilst we were 
on holiday.  They look like cartoons.  Oversaturated, missed focus, you name 
it, the faults were there.  He is over the moon because he is doing his own 
colour work.  I _think_ he will be able to learn what is needed to make the 
system function properly.  I don't know if he will _want_ to.

mike


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Re: Fried Highlights, Decline in Photo Quality (was PESO - The Bridge)

[Graywolf]

From slide photography, blown highlights are where the slide was so overexposed 
that there is only clear film base where there was supposed to be detail. 
Extending that to digital is easy. The negative film equivalent is where the 
shadows are clear film base (underexposure) although we have seen so many 
photos over the years where the print is just black where the shadows are 
supposed to be that is is not considered as much a defect as blown highlights 
are.


In your other post of the bride if the dress had been overexposed to the point 
where you could not pull out any detail whatsoever, that would have been blown 
highlights. However, even though you had to photoshop to bring them out they 
were there to bring out so they were not blown.

If one is constantly getting blown highlights it is simple to set the exposure 
compensation to -0.5 stops or so permanently and not worry anymore.

On the Internet, where many monitors are not well calibrated, often what 
appears to be blown highlights on the screen is simply the monitor whitepoint 
(adjusted with the contrast control) set too high. When you adjust your monitor 
with Adobe Gamma for instance they tell you to set contrast at 100%, but better 
seems to be about 95% then you do not get those false blown highlights on the 
screen.

graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
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One of these days you are going to define it so I understand it? Exactly what 
is a blown highlight?


Marnie aka Doe :-)





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Re: Fried Highlights, Decline in Photo Quality (was PESO - The Bridge)

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 9/8/2005 3:12:38 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If one is constantly getting blown highlights it is simple to set the 
exposure compensation to -0.5 stops or so permanently and not worry anymore.

On the Internet, where many monitors are not well calibrated, often what 
appears to be blown highlights on the screen is simply the monitor whitepoint 
(adjusted with the contrast control) set too high. When you adjust your monitor 
with Adobe Gamma for instance they tell you to set contrast at 100%, but better 
seems to be about 95% then you do not get those false blown highlights on the 
screen.

graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
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Hmmm. Thanks graywolf. I got a spyder on sale cheap. Haven't tried it yet. Up 
until now used Adobe Game. Interesting.

Marnie aka that Doe person

Re: Fried Highlights, Decline in Photo Quality (was PESO - The Bridge)

[Paul Stenquist]

It's an area of a photo that shows no detail due to overexposure -- the 
whitest of whites.

Paul
On Sep 8, 2005, at 1:21 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

One of these days you are going to define it so I understand it? 
Exactly what

is a blown highlight?

Marnie aka Doe :-)

Re: Fried Highlights, Decline in Photo Quality (was PESO - The Bridge)

[Paul Stenquist]

Yes, it is a matter of preference. Some photographers find artistic 
expression in extreme contrast representations or high-key work. A 
blown highlight isn't necessarily a mistake, although there are cases 
where a shot would quite obviously be improved if more detail were 
represented in a highlight.

Paul
On Sep 8, 2005, at 1:37 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


In a message dated 9/7/2005 10:34:20 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Here are some ways to define and understand the term:

- A "blown highlight" is a highlight area where you wanted *some*
detail (like the subtle texture of a white shirt) but there is none:
it's basically blank white in the image.

- In Zone System parlance, a blown highlight would be a Zone IX
exposure that missed and overexposed by about a stop.

- In 8bit grayscale parlance, all pixel values in an image range
between 0 and 255. A blown highlight is any area where you wanted to
render some detail that has an average  pixel value over 220. (I set
Zone IX areas to have pixel values between 185 and 220.)

Hope that helps. :-)

Godfrey
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Yes, it does. Thanks.

I would think it's partly the photographer's preference then. Sometimes
he/she may not want detail. Like the duck shown recently, which 
someone else later

said was "high key".

I feel another survey coming on. :-)

Marnie aka Doe  Although I should report the results of the second to 
last

one first (re exposure survey).

Re: Fried Highlights, Decline in Photo Quality (was PESO - The Bridge)

[Paul Stenquist]

I don't think anyone would dispute that the absence of detail in that 
shot is somewhat undesirable. But as Bruce said, these are basically 
proof conversions. I'd like to see him go back to the RAW, crank the 
brightness all the way up to 150, then turn the exposure down until the 
midtones are just right. That might very well restore some detail in 
this highlight.

Paul
On Sep 8, 2005, at 1:47 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

Since a picture is worth a thousand words, this may add graphically to 
what

Godfrey said, and with which I agree.

http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/blown.jpg

Shel



[Original Message]
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



One of these days you are going to define it so I understand it? 
Exactly

what

is a blown highlight?

Re: Fried Highlights, Decline in Photo Quality (was PESO - The Bridge)

[Paul Stenquist]

Your example shows good control of highlights. Some are quite bright 
but are appropriate for this type of shot in my judgment. Of course, 
it's all very subjective.

Paul
On Sep 8, 2005, at 1:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


My example:

For instance, bride in white. Posed by the wedding photographer, I just
happened to be there. High contrast, white dress, she was in shadow.

http://members.aol.com/eactivist/MEET/pages/bride.html

It actually doesn't look bad. But it is NOT as shot. I did post 
processing.
Inexpert post processing, because I couldn't figure out how to do it 
with
layers. But it came out with her face and one arm too dark, not enough 
detail, not
pleasing, so I lightened them. Now I can see how one can do that with 
post

processing, but not just with shooting.

Marnie aka Doe :-) And, at the time, of course, I let everyone think I 
SHOT

it that way. Hehehehe.

Re: Fried Highlights, Decline in Photo Quality (was PESO - The Bridge)

[P. J. Alling]

A white so bright it could star in a laundry detergent commercial...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

One of these days you are going to define it so I understand it? Exactly what 
is a blown highlight?


Marnie aka Doe :-)


 




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Re: Fried Highlights, Decline in Photo Quality (was PESO - The Bridge)

[Gonz]

Shel Belinkoff wrote:

I wasn't referring to specular highlights, but to areas like you noted on
the dress in Bruce's photograph,  (Sorry Bruce, not picking on you or the
photo specifically, just using it as an example), which, BTW, he explained
in the detailed response he sent earlier.


I actually like the blown highlights in this particular image.  It adds 
a certain glow that complements the high-key look in the veil.  I 
usually dont like blown highlights, but in this case I would not change 
anything.  I like the range I see.  Its a beautiful photo.


rg