Re: Path of Dreams - Neither PAW nor PESO
On 4/28/05, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most interested in comments on this one. http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/path.jpg (500k) http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/path-s.jpg (150k) Shel I missed this one on the weekend, and I'm playing catch-up (again!). This is amazing, Shel. So ethereal and (yes) dreamlike. Quite entrancing. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: Path of Dreams - Neither PAW nor PESO
Hi! Most interested in comments on this one. http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/path.jpg (500k) http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/path-s.jpg (150k) Shel, for starters, whatever I am going to say, it is *not* intended to attack or offend, ok? So, it is difficult for me, at my level, to decide whether this is done in PhotoShop or somehow by non-computerized means. Anyway, to me it appears somewhat overdone. Also that very bright patch from the towards the alley, it is very bright, burning, distracting... Merely by making it scroll and cropping most of this bright patch from above, I get totally different impression, much softer, much dreamlike, probably more to the point you were trying to convey. I realize that cropping is more or less out of the question as it seems to be a finished piece. Oh, by the way, the bigger image is more impressive than smaller one. A lesson for me and probably few others. To summarize, I think, humbly, that it could've been better. But if you have more such images, do show them, I would love to see them. Like I said upfront, I don't mean any offense. It is just my opinion. Boris
Re: Path of Dreams - Neither PAW nor PESO
A softer image was not wanted. It was specifically intended to look, as you say, overdone. The bright area is intended to be just as it is. The crop and framing is exactly the way it was envisioned. Whether you care for it or not is, of course, a very personal thing. The image was made to create a certain feeling and to tell a certain tell a certain story. A few people got it, most didn't, which is what I expected. There's no need for you to be apologizing for your opinions and comments. Shel [Original Message] From: Boris Liberman http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/path.jpg (500k) http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/path-s.jpg (150k) Shel, for starters, whatever I am going to say, it is *not* intended to attack or offend, ok? So, it is difficult for me, at my level, to decide whether this is done in PhotoShop or somehow by non-computerized means. Anyway, to me it appears somewhat overdone. Also that very bright patch from the towards the alley, it is very bright, burning, distracting... Merely by making it scroll and cropping most of this bright patch from above, I get totally different impression, much softer, much dreamlike, probably more to the point you were trying to convey. I realize that cropping is more or less out of the question as it seems to be a finished piece. Oh, by the way, the bigger image is more impressive than smaller one. A lesson for me and probably few others. To summarize, I think, humbly, that it could've been better. But if you have more such images, do show them, I would love to see them. Like I said upfront, I don't mean any offense. It is just my opinion. Boris
Re: Path of Dreams - Neither PAW nor PESO
Hi Mark, I suppose you can see what you want to see in the image. It's intent was almost anti-photo, to work with elements that went against what is typically considered good photography, or, perhaps, more traditional ways of exploring a scene and making a statement. That I used the word dream in the subject, that the photo shows a lack of symmetry, or balance (by your definition), overly saturated colors, a fair amount of purple fringing and purple in the shadows, bright sky, and the like, were all done that way intentionally, used that way to make a statement that has nothing to do with nature or landscape. My comment about balance being a bourgeois concept was tongue in cheek, paraphrasing a tag line seen here with ever growing frequency, but also to state that the lack of balance, as you see it, gives a different kind of balance to the image, which, for better or worse, you don't see. Regardless, knowing the intent of the photo, what was wanted to achieve, it wasn't expected that many, if any, would get it. That one or two did makes the photo successful, IMO. Of course, I'm quite used to mostpeople (in the ee cummings sense) not caring for the photos I make or prefer, and, as I said once or twice before, if too many people like a given photo (depending on the photo and its intent), then it's considered a failure. Shel [Original Message] From: Mark Cassino From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Balance is a bourgeois concept LOL. No - it's a compositional element that either enhances the visual effect or detracts from it. Like sharpness. Landscapes and nature photography (flowers, trees, birds, waterfalls, etc.) have no need to be interpreted. They are more or less representational, reflecting what the photographer has seen. I don't see your shot as a nature shot, but I see lots of room for interpretation in landscapes and nature shots in general. The best ones speak in a more refined language of visual cues and composition, and subtlety is lost on some viewers, but it's there. Others are, as you note, purely representational. The same can be said of on-nature shots as well. I never saw this as a landscape or nature photography. I do see your image as a landscape, but not as a nature shot per se. The central visual element is the mist and light and the really nice composition of the trail.. Like I said - it's very painterly, which I mean as a compliment. I do think there are some weak aspects to the composition that hold it back a bit, but I still like the shot. Or digital creation - whichever it is. Just my 2 cents.
RE: Path of Dreams - Neither PAW nor PESO
Hi, What's LTR? Thanks! Shel Lord of The Rings I'm behind on the digest so apologies if this has been answered already. Butch
Re: Path of Dreams - Neither PAW nor PESO
Balance is a bourgeois concept LOL. See Bruce's comments in this thread ... Winter, spring, life, death, rebirth, metaphor, allegory ... think in terms of tension, of imperfection reflecting life, of yin and yang. Does the path lead somewhere or away from somewhere, or does it represent a line between transitions. Landscapes and nature photography (flowers, trees, birds, waterfalls, etc.) have no need to be interpreted. They are more or less representational, reflecting what the photographer has seen. I never saw this as a landscape or nature photography. Shel [Original Message] From: Mark Cassino Very painterly image, Shel. Creates a great feel. It does strike me as little off balance - all the leaves on one side, so few on the other, the bright sky and the dark corner. But still a cool image. http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/path.jpg (500k) http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/path-s.jpg (150k)
RE: Path of Dreams - Neither PAW nor PESO
Hi, What's LTR? Thanks! Shel [Original Message] From: Butch Black Gorgeous. I could see it as a book cover for a LTR type fantasy novel. Butch
Re: Path of Dreams - Neither PAW nor PESO
Hi Bruce, It seems the photo has awakened the poet within. Perhaps I wasn't too far off the mark when referring to some of your photos as haiku-like. Shel [Original Message] From: Bruce Dayton Compositionally, I really like how the left side seems to show death/hibernation and the right side shows life/springtime. Very effective with both the mist and colors. SB http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/path.jpg (500k) SB http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/path-s.jpg (150k) SB Shel
Re: Path of Dreams - Neither PAW nor PESO
Thanks for all the comments. I've read 'em all and repluied to some, and may get to reply to more later. Shel
Re: Path of Dreams - Neither PAW nor PESO
From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Balance is a bourgeois concept LOL. No - it's a compositional element that either enhances the visual effect or detracts from it. Like sharpness. Landscapes and nature photography (flowers, trees, birds, waterfalls, etc.) have no need to be interpreted. They are more or less representational, reflecting what the photographer has seen. I don't see your shot as a nature shot, but I see lots of room for interpretation in landscapes and nature shots in general. The best ones speak in a more refined language of visual cues and composition, and subtlety is lost on some viewers, but it's there. Others are, as you note, purely representational. The same can be said of on-nature shots as well. I never saw this as a landscape or nature photography. I do see your image as a landscape, but not as a nature shot per se. The central visual element is the mist and light and the really nice composition of the trail.. Like I said - it's very painterly, which I mean as a compliment. I do think there are some weak aspects to the composition that hold it back a bit, but I still like the shot. Or digital creation - whichever it is. Just my 2 cents. - MCC - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, MI www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 1:33 PM Subject: Re: Path of Dreams - Neither PAW nor PESO [Original Message] From: Mark Cassino Very painterly image, Shel. Creates a great feel. It does strike me as little off balance - all the leaves on one side, so few on the other, the bright sky and the dark corner. But still a cool image. http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/path.jpg (500k) http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/path-s.jpg (150k)
Path of Dreams - Neither PAW nor PESO
Most interested in comments on this one. http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/path.jpg (500k) http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/path-s.jpg (150k) Shel
Re: Path of Dreams - Neither PAW nor PESO
Hello Shel, Thursday, April 28, 2005, 3:20:26 PM, you wrote: SB Most interested in comments on this one. SB http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/path.jpg (500k) SB http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/path-s.jpg (150k) SB Shel That soft light is fantastic, and the vanishing point is very vell placed in the photo. Attila
Re: Path of Dreams - Neither PAW nor PESO
From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/04/28 Thu PM 12:20:26 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Path of Dreams - Neither PAW nor PESO Most interested in comments on this one. http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/path.jpg (500k) http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/path-s.jpg (150k) I can't decide if it's just a misty day or you have developed a technique for selective softening. Which, I suppose, is a good thing The palette is interesting - very vivid. Also, I assume that the picture is at least 6-7 months old. At least, I can't decide if it's autumn or spring. It reminds me of one of the photographs of Frank Meadow Sutcliffe. mike - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
Re: Path of Dreams - Neither PAW nor PESO
Some kind of cross-processing? Thomas Kinkade on acid? ;-) I like 'em! Best, Stephen Shel Belinkoff wrote: Most interested in comments on this one. http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/path.jpg (500k) http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/path-s.jpg (150k)
Re: Path of Dreams - Neither PAW nor PESO
Shel Belinkoff wrote: Most interested in comments on this one. http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/path.jpg (500k) http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/path-s.jpg (150k) Shel, they remind me of a watercolor painting. I really like the effect. The bright spot in the upper center of the frame is a bit of a distraction IMO. I think you could improve the picture by cropping the top to reduce the size of that piece of open sky. That's my opinion only. Tom Reese
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Beautiful colors and mood; I like it very much. I might have aimed a little lower, but it's wonderful as it is. Rick --- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most interested in comments on this one. http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/path.jpg (500k) http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/path-s.jpg (150k) Shel __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Path of Dreams - Neither PAW nor PESO
I like this. Are the effects (mist, high saturation) all photoshopped? It looks like a pro mist filter in-camera effect combined with some post processing, including a hard turn on the saturation dial. In any case, it works. A nicely ethereal mood. I like the framing. A lower camera angle would have sacrificed some of the bright sky flare, which contributes to the overall feel. Paul Beautiful colors and mood; I like it very much. I might have aimed a little lower, but it's wonderful as it is. Rick --- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most interested in comments on this one. http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/path.jpg (500k) http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/path-s.jpg (150k) Shel __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Path of Dreams - Neither PAW nor PESO
On Apr 28, 2005, at 5:20 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Most interested in comments on this one. http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/path.jpg (500k) http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/path-s.jpg (150k) Very nice ... the color palette looks like Agfa Ultra 50 ... (Couple of examples taken with Ultra 50 in a Voigtländer Vito B: http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW2/19.htm http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW2/19a.htm ) I like the geometries and overall feel of the composition. The sky seems overly bright on top center; I'd pull it down just a hair, feathered at the edge, as my eye tends to be drawn up and out of the frame. Godfrey
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Wow, very striking image! It comes across as very manipulated, but in a very wonderful way. The color saturation is quite extreme, but works very well here. The haze/mistiness is really cool. Compositionally, I really like how the left side seems to show death/hibernation and the right side shows life/springtime. Very effective with both the mist and colors. Do tell what you did here. I really like it. -- Best regards, Bruce Thursday, April 28, 2005, 5:20:26 AM, you wrote: SB Most interested in comments on this one. SB http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/path.jpg (500k) SB http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/path-s.jpg (150k) SB Shel
Re: Path of Dreams - Neither PAW nor PESO
Quoting Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Most interested in comments on this one. http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/path-s.jpg (150k) It's cool in a dreamland/fairyland sort of way. Like a childrens book illustration. Well done. This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au
RE: Path of Dreams - Neither PAW nor PESO
Gorgeous. I could see it as a book cover for a LTR type fantasy novel. Butch
Re: Path of Dreams - Neither PAW nor PESO
Very painterly image, Shel. Creates a great feel. It does strike me as little off balance - all the leaves on one side, so few on the other, the bright sky and the dark corner. But still a cool image. - MCC - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, MI www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 8:20 AM Subject: Path of Dreams - Neither PAW nor PESO Most interested in comments on this one. http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/path.jpg (500k) http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/path-s.jpg (150k) Shel
