Question for the Brotherhood...
...the 67 Brotherhood, that is. I have the opportunity to pick up a 6x7 with 55mm and 135mm lenses. I don't have the details yet, but the person selling them doesn't seem to know that much about them. Inheritance? I'm not going to ask. A quick ebay check suggests that they didn't do much research before figuring out their asking price. Is there anything I need to know about the lenses? What should I check on the body to determine its condition beyond surface cosmetics? Thanks, Tim
Re: Question for the Brotherhood...
Well, there are three different 55 lenses. They're all at least okay, but the latest is the best. It has the writing around the outside of the filter ring like some A lenses. The camera should have mirror lock up. You can use one without the MLU, but it's a definitie minus, as the lockup can help eliminate a lot of vibration when shooting of a tripod. All 67 and 67II cameras have MLU. Most of the 6x7s have it as well. Only the very early models are without it. I believe the later model 135 lenses are somewhat superior to the earlier Takumar versions. Paul > > ...the 67 Brotherhood, that is. > > I have the opportunity to pick up a 6x7 with 55mm and 135mm lenses. I don't > have the details yet, but the person selling them doesn't seem to know that > much about them. Inheritance? I'm not going to ask. A quick ebay check > suggests that they didn't do much research before figuring out their asking > price. > > Is there anything I need to know about the lenses? What should I check on > the body to determine its condition beyond surface cosmetics? > > Thanks, > > Tim >
Re: Question for the Brotherhood...
- Original Message - From: "Tim Sherburne" Subject: Question for the Brotherhood... ...the 67 Brotherhood, that is. I have the opportunity to pick up a 6x7 with 55mm and 135mm lenses. I don't have the details yet, but the person selling them doesn't seem to know that much about them. Inheritance? I'm not going to ask. A quick ebay check suggests that they didn't do much research before figuring out their asking price. Is there anything I need to know about the lenses? What should I check on the body to determine its condition beyond surface cosmetics? In all it's emulations except the most recent, the 55 is at best a middle of the road lens in a family of excellent lenses. Nothing wrong with that, it'll make fine pictures, but early ones were flare prone, same as the 75. The 135 is an excellent lens, no matter which version. Check to see if the body has mirror lock. Non MLU bodies are pretty failure prone, and are no longer supported. Keep this in mind for pricing. Put a film into it and advance it through to the end. Check to make sure the film advance doesnt feel like it has sand in it. There is a roller just to the right of the shutter. Don't ever roll it backwards to the direction of film travel. There is a chain to the front side of the prism mount that operates the meter prism aperture coupler. Make sure it is intact and that it moves freely. If it falls off or breaks, it is a pretty expensive fix. Don't ever mount a meter prism to a body with a lens already mounted. Take the lens off and mount the prism, and then the lens. To do otherwise risks breaking that chain. If you decide to go for it, enjoy it. It's a nice camera. William Robb
RE: Question for the Brotherhood...
Tim, if the body doesn't have mirror lockup think long and hard about it as the early versions are prone to failure of the winder mechanism. You cannot get this fixed. You will see a lot of early 6x7s advertised on eBay that fit this description or are "not tested". If it's the 67 series or has the MLU that is much less likely to be a problem and you should still be able to get any problems with a 67 fixed. In either case, put a roll of film in it and try it out. The winding action will take more effort than on a 35mm body but should be smooth. Remember you're winding on a lot more film and tensioning a much larger shutter. As for the lenses, well the 55/3.5 uses a 100mm (i.e. expensive)filter while the 55/4 is smaller and takes a 77mm filter. Paul Ewins Melbourne, Australia -Original Message- From: Tim Sherburne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there anything I need to know about the lenses? What should I check on the body to determine its condition beyond surface cosmetics? Thanks, Tim
Re: Question for the Brotherhood...
Hi Tim - Just a few thoughts - 1; if the 6x7 does not have a TTL meter, you will need to buy a hand held meter. Not a major issue, but something to keep in mind. (I use a on-TTL 6x7.) 2; Mirror Lock-Up is a pretty important feature for this camera for some types of photography. If you are shooting flash in a studio, it probably does not matter. Longer exposures - 1/15th or longer - even on a rock solid tripod - you need MLU. 3. There is a mixed bag on the 55mm lens. The old 55mm f 3.5 is well regarded. I have no experience with it, but the main draw back is that it requires a rather large and odd sized filter - like a 105mm (I think). If you don't use filters, or have a bunch of big ones on hand, no problem. It is a Takumar, 55mm, f 3.5. The next generation 55mm f4 (the one I have) is a quirky lens. I've shot hundreds of shots with it. Some are tack sharp, magnificent, no problems. Other times there is an odd look to some of the out of focus areas. I have not been able to figure out the pattern to it. But at some combinations of focusing distance and aperture, and the angle at which the subject's light is hitting the lens, the results are not good. 90% of the time the results are great, the other 10% of the time the results are not so good, though the main subject area is sharp, the background can be distracting.. So if it's a bargain, go for it, but be prepared for a surprise or two. I will probably replace mine some day, but most of the time it works fine. The later 55mm f4 is generally considered to be outstanding, with no qualifications. That's second hand info from me, but I suspect it is great. The early 55 f4 is the 5x7 55 f4. The later model is the 57 55 f4 (note the '5x7" vs '57'.). 4. If you get the setup, find a Takumar 205 f2.4. It's my main lens, and really shines. My favorite and most used lens, with a 'normal' perspective, and available dirt cheap these days. HTH - MCC - Original Message - From: "Tim Sherburne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax Discussion List" Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 8:00 PM Subject: Question for the Brotherhood... ...the 67 Brotherhood, that is. I have the opportunity to pick up a 6x7 with 55mm and 135mm lenses. I don't have the details yet, but the person selling them doesn't seem to know that much about them. Inheritance? I'm not going to ask. A quick ebay check suggests that they didn't do much research before figuring out their asking price. Is there anything I need to know about the lenses? What should I check on the body to determine its condition beyond surface cosmetics? Thanks, Tim - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, MI www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Re: Question for the Brotherhood...
Hey Tim. If you have never used one,they are fantastic cameras. I picked up a used one from Chris Brogden about 18 months or so ago and i love it. I'm not sure about the two lenses you asked about,mine came with the 90mm LS lens. Its good but i think my SMC Tak 200f4 gives a nicer,sharper image though. I would still like to get a 55 and or a 300. I still use mine about once a month,mostly B&W and i shoot slides in the fall for the colours. Just beautiful. I am not fussy on the Nikon D2H colours,they seem way to flat.I;'ll see how the istD does this fall. The MLU seem to have a better reliability than the non MLU. Not much to them,they are like a spottie on steroids.The film counter will not advance unless film is in the camera,and the MLU switch will only work if the camera is cocked,IIRK. Good luck and welcome. Dave > > the 67 Brotherhood, that is. > > I have the opportunity to pick up a 6x7 with 55mm and 135mm lenses. I don't > have the details yet, but the person selling them doesn't seem to know that > much about them. Inheritance? I'm not going to ask. A quick ebay check > suggests that they didn't do much research before figuring out their asking > price. > > Is there anything I need to know about the lenses? What should I check on > the body to determine its condition beyond surface cosmetics? > > Thanks, > > Tim >
Re: Question for the Brotherhood...
- Original Message - From: "Mark Cassino" Subject: Re: Question for the Brotherhood... 2; Mirror Lock-Up is a pretty important feature for this camera for some types of photography. If you are shooting flash in a studio, it probably does not matter. Longer exposures - 1/15th or longer - even on a rock solid tripod - you need MLU. Mark: Take the 6x7 challenge. Put the camera on a good tripod and level it perfectly. Balance a US nickel on the focusing screen. Release the shutter on a timed speed with the mirror down. Odds are, the nickel won't fall over.. William Robb
Re: Question for the Brotherhood...
- Original Message - From: "Tim Sherburne" Subject: Re: Question for the Brotherhood... I wasn't nearly surprised by the clunk of the mirror as I thought I might be, but, yes, there is no hiding this camera. By all reports, I won't be able to use it handheld very much, so I'll be looking for a beefier tripod soon. I'll run some film through it to get a feel for its limitations. Tke the 6x7 challenge. Put the camera on a decent tripod, and level it perfectly. Balance a US nickel on edge on the focusing screen and trip the shutter at any timed speed. William Robb
Re: Question for the Brotherhood...
A big thanks to everyone that gave advice and comments on the 6x7 kit. I picked it up this afternoon. I turned out that the seller is an ad agency in downtown Portland that recently outsourced all their photography work (and moved to digital as a consequence). They were more interested in cleaning out their closet than turning a profit on selling the gear. Wow, what I solid hunk of brass! The body is a late 6x7 with MLU and non-TTL prism in nearly pristine condition. The kit hadn't been used for about two years, so it really has no problems beyond a little dust. It's seen mostly studio work. Both lenses are in great shape. There's a first generation 55/4 and a Takumar 135/4 Macro with a case. It's nice to have something other than a "normal" lens for medium format, which is what I was stuck with on my Yashica. I ran one roll of 120 through it, promptly forgetting than the 6x7 only yields 10 (or was it 9?) frames per roll instead of the 12 I was used to. Of course, it'll be next week before I can post anything. The lab is getting a new noritsu, so orders have been delayed a bit. Such is life in the analog world. I wasn't nearly surprised by the clunk of the mirror as I thought I might be, but, yes, there is no hiding this camera. By all reports, I won't be able to use it handheld very much, so I'll be looking for a beefier tripod soon. I'll run some film through it to get a feel for its limitations. Tim On 1/24/05 17:00, Tim Sherburne wrote: > > ...the 67 Brotherhood, that is. > > I have the opportunity to pick up a 6x7 with 55mm and 135mm lenses. I don't > have the details yet, but the person selling them doesn't seem to know that > much about them. Inheritance? I'm not going to ask. A quick ebay check > suggests that they didn't do much research before figuring out their asking > price. > > Is there anything I need to know about the lenses? What should I check on the > body to determine its condition beyond surface cosmetics? > > Thanks, > > Tim
Re: Question for the Brotherhood...
> > - Original Message - > From: "Tim Sherburne" > Subject: Re: Question for the Brotherhood... > > > > > I wasn't nearly surprised by the clunk of the mirror as I thought I > > might > > be, but, yes, there is no hiding this camera. By all reports, I > > won't be able to use it handheld very much, so I'll be looking for a > > beefier > > tripod soon. I thought that at first to Tim. I think you'll be suprised at handholdablility.:-) Brother Aaron hand holds his most often,only during slow shutter does he 'pod.If you hold it right it should not be a problem. >> I'll run some film through it to get a feel for its > > limitations. Run a roll of chrome through it. You'll be happy. Dave(still a member of the B'hood) Brooks > > >
Re: Question for the Brotherhood...
Don't be afraid to use the 6x7 handheld. I've gotten some nice shots handheld with the 300/4. Your hands dampen a lot of vibration. If you have adequate shutter speed for the lens you're shooting with, you can make it happen. If I recall correctly, former list member Aaron got some great shots with the 75/2.8 @ 1/30th. I've shot some swish pans with the 165/4 at 1/30th that I sold to magazines. Don't hesitate to handhold. Paul On Jan 26, 2005, at 6:42 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: "Tim Sherburne" Subject: Re: Question for the Brotherhood... I wasn't nearly surprised by the clunk of the mirror as I thought I might be, but, yes, there is no hiding this camera. By all reports, I won't be able to use it handheld very much, so I'll be looking for a beefier tripod soon. I'll run some film through it to get a feel for its limitations. Tke the 6x7 challenge. Put the camera on a decent tripod, and level it perfectly. Balance a US nickel on edge on the focusing screen and trip the shutter at any timed speed. William Robb
Re: Question for the Brotherhood...
Ya know, I wanted to, but the local shop was out of Provia 400 - in fact, they didn't have any E6 in 400. So, I stuck with some print film I had in the fridge for the Yashica. I did notice the foam under the prism is shot. The foam on the back looks like it needs to be replaced too. Any one got a suggestion on a foam kit? Tim On 1/26/05 15:09, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Run a roll of chrome through it. You'll be happy.
RE: Question for the Brotherhood...
Congrats, Tim Looking forward to seeing some of you shots! Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Tim Sherburne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 27. januar 2005 00:05 Til: Pentax Discussion List Emne: Re: Question for the Brotherhood... A big thanks to everyone that gave advice and comments on the 6x7 kit. I picked it up this afternoon. I turned out that the seller is an ad agency in downtown Portland that recently outsourced all their photography work (and moved to digital as a consequence). They were more interested in cleaning out their closet than turning a profit on selling the gear. Wow, what I solid hunk of brass! The body is a late 6x7 with MLU and non-TTL prism in nearly pristine condition. The kit hadn't been used for about two years, so it really has no problems beyond a little dust. It's seen mostly studio work. Both lenses are in great shape. There's a first generation 55/4 and a Takumar 135/4 Macro with a case. It's nice to have something other than a "normal" lens for medium format, which is what I was stuck with on my Yashica. I ran one roll of 120 through it, promptly forgetting than the 6x7 only yields 10 (or was it 9?) frames per roll instead of the 12 I was used to. Of course, it'll be next week before I can post anything. The lab is getting a new noritsu, so orders have been delayed a bit. Such is life in the analog world. I wasn't nearly surprised by the clunk of the mirror as I thought I might be, but, yes, there is no hiding this camera. By all reports, I won't be able to use it handheld very much, so I'll be looking for a beefier tripod soon. I'll run some film through it to get a feel for its limitations. Tim On 1/24/05 17:00, Tim Sherburne wrote: > > ...the 67 Brotherhood, that is. > > I have the opportunity to pick up a 6x7 with 55mm and 135mm lenses. I don't > have the details yet, but the person selling them doesn't seem to know that > much about them. Inheritance? I'm not going to ask. A quick ebay check > suggests that they didn't do much research before figuring out their asking > price. > > Is there anything I need to know about the lenses? What should I check on the > body to determine its condition beyond surface cosmetics? > > Thanks, > > Tim
A question for the brotherhood
Well, I just did it, and now I have some hot potatoes on my hands. I.e. several rolls of 120 film chromes (noticed how quiet I was today?). Here's the question: what is supposed to be a decent price for having these processed (E-6) ? cheers, caveman
Re: A question for the brotherhood
$9 canucks each, add $2 to mount, thats what the rate is here --- Caveman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, I just did it, and now I have some hot > potatoes on my hands. I.e. > several rolls of 120 film chromes (noticed how quiet > I was today?). > Here's the question: what is supposed to be a decent > price for having > these processed (E-6) ? > > cheers, > caveman > __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: A question for the brotherhood
Caveman, My lab charges $5.50 US and doesn't mount them. Bruce Saturday, June 7, 2003, 10:10:01 PM, you wrote: C> Well, I just did it, and now I have some hot potatoes on my hands. I.e. C> several rolls of 120 film chromes (noticed how quiet I was today?). C> Here's the question: what is supposed to be a decent price for having C> these processed (E-6) ? C> cheers, C> caveman
Re: A question for the brotherhood
On June 8, 2003 01:10 am, Caveman wrote: > Well, I just did it, and now I have some hot potatoes on my hands. I.e. > several rolls of 120 film chromes (noticed how quiet I was today?). > Here's the question: what is supposed to be a decent price for having > these processed (E-6) ? Last I checked the price wasn't much different then 35mm. Really no reason it should be. I just checked one place www.torontoimageworks.com and the price is less. Nick
6x7 55mm question for the Brotherhood
Oh bugger, I have just discovered that my Cokin P-series polariser vignettes on the 55mm f/4 for the 6x7 :-( This is using a cut-down holder (*). I am most dischuffed about this 'cos the same setup doesn't vignette with grad NDs on the 55mm or with anything on the 24mm f/2.8 for 35mm. So my question is, what have other 55mm owners done? Used a standard 77mm polariser? A narrow 77mm polariser? Bit the bullet and gone for a 100mm modular system like Lee? The price of the polariser for the Lee system makes my eyes spin and I probably can't justify that outlay at the moment. The only thing I don't want to do is buy an ordinary 77mm polariser and find it still vignettes - so, your experiences please? Chris (*) in true Cotty-esque fashion, slice off the outer grooves of the holder so it only holds one square or one circular filter.
Re: 6x7 55mm question for the Brotherhood
Hi Chris, I just can tell you that with my 55/4 I use a regular polarizer without problems (B+W 77mm diameter). HTH. Gianfranco Chris Stoddart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have just discovered that my Cokin P-series polariser vignettes on the > 55mm f/4 for the 6x7 :-( This is using a cut-down holder (*). > > I am most dischuffed about this 'cos the same setup doesn't vignette > with grad NDs on the 55mm or with anything on the 24mm f/2.8 for 35mm. So > my question is, what have other 55mm owners done? Used a standard 77mm > polariser? A narrow 77mm polariser? Bit the bullet and gone for a 100mm > modular system like Lee? The price of the polariser for the Lee system > makes my eyes spin and I probably can't justify that outlay at the > moment. The only thing I don't want to do is buy an ordinary 77mm > polariser and find it still vignettes - so, your experiences please? > > Chris = __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
Re: 6x7 55mm question for the Brotherhood
Brother Chris, Did you discover this from the viewfinder or from finished shots? Did you notice that there was a difference when wide open vs. stopped down? As I will be in a position to use this combination on the upcoming NorCal PDML outing, I am most curious. Thanks for the info. Brother Bruce Thursday, September 11, 2003, 5:59:48 AM, you wrote: CS> Oh bugger, CS> I have just discovered that my Cokin P-series polariser vignettes on the CS> 55mm f/4 for the 6x7 :-( This is using a cut-down holder (*). CS> I am most dischuffed about this 'cos the same setup doesn't vignette CS> with grad NDs on the 55mm or with anything on the 24mm f/2.8 for 35mm. So CS> my question is, what have other 55mm owners done? Used a standard 77mm CS> polariser? A narrow 77mm polariser? Bit the bullet and gone for a 100mm CS> modular system like Lee? The price of the polariser for the Lee system CS> makes my eyes spin and I probably can't justify that outlay at the CS> moment. The only thing I don't want to do is buy an ordinary 77mm CS> polariser and find it still vignettes - so, your experiences please? CS> Chris CS> (*) in true Cotty-esque fashion, slice off the outer grooves of the CS> holder so it only holds one square or one circular filter.
