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I have a small Wein gadget with a PC terminal on it and which slides into a hot shoe... I haven't tried it yet, will this not work on my DS with an external flash? Jim Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do the Hot Shoe Adapter F and Fg units provide a PC sync terminal? No. Interesting. I know I've seen a picture of a PC terminal adapter fitted to the *istDS somewhere. Now if only I could find it.. :-) Godfrey
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It should - since these are available so cheaply I don't get too bent out of shape if my the DS doesn't have a PC terminal. This should work fine with studio strobes or any other PC corded flash as long as the trigger voltage is low. I use Alien Bees - they only use a 6V trigger voltage. Paul - Original Message - From: Jim Hemenway [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 4:19 PM Subject: Re: IstD vs IstDS I have a small Wein gadget with a PC terminal on it and which slides into a hot shoe... I haven't tried it yet, will this not work on my DS with an external flash? Jim Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do the Hot Shoe Adapter F and Fg units provide a PC sync terminal? No. Interesting. I know I've seen a picture of a PC terminal adapter fitted to the *istDS somewhere. Now if only I could find it.. :-) Godfrey
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Thanks, Paul: I bought this one, (because it does something to keep high trigger voltage flash units from frying the electronics) a couple of years ago to use with a Coolpix 990 with my Novatron setup... which is several years old and which I'm given to understand is higher voltage than today's flash setups. Jim Paul Sorenson wrote: It should - since these are available so cheaply I don't get too bent out of shape if my the DS doesn't have a PC terminal. This should work fine with studio strobes or any other PC corded flash as long as the trigger voltage is low. I use Alien Bees - they only use a 6V trigger voltage. Paul - Original Message - From: Jim Hemenway [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 4:19 PM Subject: Re: IstD vs IstDS I have a small Wein gadget with a PC terminal on it and which slides into a hot shoe... I haven't tried it yet, will this not work on my DS with an external flash? Jim Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do the Hot Shoe Adapter F and Fg units provide a PC sync terminal? No. Interesting. I know I've seen a picture of a PC terminal adapter fitted to the *istDS somewhere. Now if only I could find it.. :-) Godfrey
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--- Jim Hemenway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a small Wein gadget with a PC terminal on it and which slides into a hot shoe... I haven't tried it yet, will this not work on my DS with an external flash? That should work just fine. I forget what the flash trigger voltage limits for the DS are, but for safety sake I usually try to buy only the low-voltage units nowadays. Godfrey __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
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Jon Paul Schelter \(R* Toronto\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The main advantage to the CF format (aside from ubiquity) is that the larger size allows for (less expensive) micro-hard drives with ~4G capacities. The main advantage to SD is size. Personally, I feel that size is one of the advantages of the CF card. For me the SD cards are too small: To difficult to write on, too easy to lose. The CF card seems to hit a sweet spot between small enough and too small. YMMV :-) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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- Original Message - From: Mark Roberts Subject: Re: IstD vs IstDS Personally, I feel that size is one of the advantages of the CF card. For me the SD cards are too small: I bet you hate those nasty little XD cards then. I know I do. William Robb
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William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mark Roberts Personally, I feel that size is one of the advantages of the CF card. For me the SD cards are too small: I bet you hate those nasty little XD cards then. I know I do. Yep. :) The idea hey, let's make these things smaller made sense back when digital cameras used PCMCIA cards, but like any trend it can get pushed too far. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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--- Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The main advantage to the CF format (aside from ubiquity) is that the larger size allows for (less expensive) micro-hard drives with ~4G capacities. The main advantage to SD is size. Personally, I feel that size is one of the advantages of the CF card. For me the SD cards are too small: To difficult to write on, too easy to lose. The CF card seems to hit a sweet spot between small enough and too small. YMMV :-) Difference of opinion. I've settled on 1G cards as my standard, regardless of which card format I use, and SD cards let me carrry more of them in less space. Now that the cost and performance of flash memory is virtually identical to the cost of microdrives, I would never buy a microdrive over a fast flash card, so that isn't much of an attraction to the CF form factor anymore. Besides, I can use the same SD cards in my PDA as in my camera. :-) Godfrey __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
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Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I feel that size is one of the advantages of the CF card. For me the SD cards are too small: To difficult to write on, too easy to lose. The CF card seems to hit a sweet spot between small enough and too small. YMMV :-) Difference of opinion. I've settled on 1G cards as my standard, regardless of which card format I use, and SD cards let me carrry more of them in less space. Now that the cost and performance of flash memory is virtually identical to the cost of microdrives, I would never buy a microdrive over a fast flash card, so that isn't much of an attraction to the CF form factor anymore. Besides, I can use the same SD cards in my PDA as in my camera. I have so far been successful in avoiding the purchase of a PDA :) I agree on the micro drives, though. I just ordered a 1G high speed Kingston CF card for $71.00. And I noticed *after* I'd decided to buy it that there's a $20.00 rebate on TOP of that. $51.00 net. http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=82238-1affiliate=shopping in case anyone's interested. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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Mark Roberts mused: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I feel that size is one of the advantages of the CF card. For me the SD cards are too small: To difficult to write on, too easy to lose. The CF card seems to hit a sweet spot between small enough and too small. YMMV :-) Difference of opinion. I've settled on 1G cards as my standard, regardless of which card format I use, and SD cards let me carrry more of them in less space. Now that the cost and performance of flash memory is virtually identical to the cost of microdrives, I would never buy a microdrive over a fast flash card, so that isn't much of an attraction to the CF form factor anymore. Besides, I can use the same SD cards in my PDA as in my camera. I have so far been successful in avoiding the purchase of a PDA :) I agree on the micro drives, though. I just ordered a 1G high speed Kingston CF card for $71.00. And I noticed *after* I'd decided to buy it that there's a $20.00 rebate on TOP of that. $51.00 net. http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=82238-1affiliate=shopping in case anyone's interested. I find 1GB to be too small if I want to shoot raw exclusively, so I'm still waiting for the 2GB CF cards to drop further in price. The pricing sweet spot is definitely with the 1GB cards for now. While I'm quite happy with my 1GB Microdrives, I'm not sure I want to invest further in that technology, even though there is still a considerable price advantage; a 4GB Microdrive is about the same price as a 2GB compact flash card. Decisions, decisions, ...
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I shoot RAW exclusively and use 1 gig CF cards. I don't mind switching cards after 72 frames. I figure if something goes wrong with a card, at least I won't lose too much. I've never had a card problem, but I'm not certain that I never will. However, I will invest in some 2 gig cards when the price drops. Paul Mark Roberts mused: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I feel that size is one of the advantages of the CF card. For me the SD cards are too small: To difficult to write on, too easy to lose. The CF card seems to hit a sweet spot between small enough and too small. YMMV :-) Difference of opinion. I've settled on 1G cards as my standard, regardless of which card format I use, and SD cards let me carrry more of them in less space. Now that the cost and performance of flash memory is virtually identical to the cost of microdrives, I would never buy a microdrive over a fast flash card, so that isn't much of an attraction to the CF form factor anymore. Besides, I can use the same SD cards in my PDA as in my camera. I have so far been successful in avoiding the purchase of a PDA :) I agree on the micro drives, though. I just ordered a 1G high speed Kingston CF card for $71.00. And I noticed *after* I'd decided to buy it that there's a $20.00 rebate on TOP of that. $51.00 net. http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=82238-1affiliate=sh opping in case anyone's interested. I find 1GB to be too small if I want to shoot raw exclusively, so I'm still waiting for the 2GB CF cards to drop further in price. The pricing sweet spot is definitely with the 1GB cards for now. While I'm quite happy with my 1GB Microdrives, I'm not sure I want to invest further in that technology, even though there is still a considerable price advantage; a 4GB Microdrive is about the same price as a 2GB compact flash card. Decisions, decisions, ...
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on the *istD, a Microdrive is about as fast as a high speed solid state card. the limit is the drive interface in the camera and not the device. there is one major drawback to a Microdrive, its power consumption. it's between two and three times that of a solid state card when writing. as far as reliability, i don't see it being enough different from a solid state card to matter. it's more fragile, but not enough to matter to me. the temperature and power consumption are what dictate whether i use my SanDisk Extreme 2G cards or my 4G Microdrive. in cold weather, the reduced power consumption and ability to work when really cold are what matter and so i use the solid state cards. when it is warm, i use the Microdrive. i bought the 4G Microdrive when it first came out and nearly all of my shots ever taken with my *istD are taken on it. Herb - Original Message - From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 3:21 PM Subject: Re: IstD vs IstDS While I'm quite happy with my 1GB Microdrives, I'm not sure I want to invest further in that technology, even though there is still a considerable price advantage; a 4GB Microdrive is about the same price as a 2GB compact flash card. Decisions, decisions, ...
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a given vendor's cards all have about the same failure rate, regardless of size. that means that the more cards you have, the more likely you will have a failure. conversely, if you have a failure on a large card, it will be more destructive only if it disables the card completely. soft failures where a single image is corrupted is more likely. OTOH, inserting and removing a card is about the same probability of damage no matter what kind of card or capacity. Herb - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 3:47 PM Subject: Re: IstD vs IstDS I shoot RAW exclusively and use 1 gig CF cards. I don't mind switching cards after 72 frames. I figure if something goes wrong with a card, at least I won't lose too much. I've never had a card problem, but I'm not certain that I never will. However, I will invest in some 2 gig cards when the price drops.
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--- Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... OTOH, inserting and removing a card is about the same probability of damage no matter what kind of card or capacity. ... Hmm, no. CF cards have the highest rate of failure on insertion due to bending of the plug's connector plugs. It's generally not the card that fails, it's the socket that you're plugging it into. Godfrey __ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com
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- Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: IstD vs IstDS Hmm, no. CF cards have the highest rate of failure on insertion due to bending of the plug's connector plugs. It's generally not the card that fails, it's the socket that you're plugging it into. We have had five card readers wrecked by customers and their CF cards. I can only hope they damage their cameras at some point. William Robb
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On 20 Feb 2005 at 14:54, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: --- Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... OTOH, inserting and removing a card is about the same probability of damage no matter what kind of card or capacity. ... Hmm, no. CF cards have the highest rate of failure on insertion due to bending of the plug's connector plugs. It's generally not the card that fails, it's the socket that you're plugging it into. Then it's simply bad socket design I'd suggest. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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all CF cards are the same. Herb... - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 5:54 PM Subject: Re: IstD vs IstDS Hmm, no. CF cards have the highest rate of failure on insertion due to bending of the plug's connector plugs. It's generally not the card that fails, it's the socket that you're plugging it into.
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- Original Message - From: Herb Chong Subject: Re: IstD vs IstDS all CF cards are the same. I suspect Rob's point is that if the socket that the card is going into is poor, the possibility of bending a pin due to a crooked insertion is that much greater. I know it has been a PITA for us, including one glorious incident where a customer managed to short something with their CF card and let all the smoke out of our countertop unit. William Robb - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 5:54 PM Subject: Re: IstD vs IstDS Hmm, no. CF cards have the highest rate of failure on insertion due to bending of the plug's connector plugs. It's generally not the card that fails, it's the socket that you're plugging it into.
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William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Herb Chong all CF cards are the same. I suspect Rob's point is that if the socket that the card is going into is poor, the possibility of bending a pin due to a crooked insertion is that much greater. I know it has been a PITA for us, including one glorious incident where a customer managed to short something with their CF card and let all the smoke out of our countertop unit. Yep. We had a customer jam a CF card incorrectly into our Fuji PrintPix kiosk. We had to buy an entire new main circuit board. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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On 20 Feb 2005 at 17:26, William Robb wrote: I suspect Rob's point is that if the socket that the card is going into is poor, the possibility of bending a pin due to a crooked insertion is that much greater. True, the socket in the *ist D and my old Oly was very good, cards mounted perfectly every time with no impediment, my PC card slot and old Xs-Drive socket on the other hand are dodgy and need to be used with care. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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that CF cards are more failure prone isn't the issue. the issue is that every CF card, regardless of size, has the most danger of failure during insertion, and the more you have to insert into anything, the more likely something will go wrong. last i heard, it wasn't possible to change the card type in a *istD, so that means the fewer insertions, the better, given that direct cable connection is both much slower and has a connector that is at least as failure prone. Herb... - Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 6:26 PM Subject: Re: IstD vs IstDS I suspect Rob's point is that if the socket that the card is going into is poor, the possibility of bending a pin due to a crooked insertion is that much greater. I know it has been a PITA for us, including one glorious incident where a customer managed to short something with their CF card and let all the smoke out of our countertop unit.
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On 20 Feb 2005 at 20:02, Herb Chong wrote: that CF cards are more failure prone isn't the issue. the issue is that every CF card, regardless of size, has the most danger of failure during insertion, and the more you have to insert into anything, the more likely something will go wrong. last i heard, it wasn't possible to change the card type in a *istD, so that means the fewer insertions, the better, given that direct cable connection is both much slower and has a connector that is at least as failure prone. If some clever sod could better design the adaptors below to reduce SD card protrusion we'd be able to have the best of both worlds. http://www.mittoni.com.au/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/1183 Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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Rob Studdert wrote: http://www.mittoni.com.au/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/1183 On the same site: http://www.mittoni.com.au/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/1238?sID=16a333c707fd8b43039b7fe9f6686cda Since the ist can take a microdrive, it should take this, no? -Ryan
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there is no requirement that the chip be centered Herb - Original Message - From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 9:28 PM Subject: Re: IstD vs IstDS If some clever sod could better design the adaptors below to reduce SD card protrusion we'd be able to have the best of both worlds. http://www.mittoni.com.au/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/1183
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On 20 Feb 2005 at 19:44, Ryan Brooks wrote: http://www.mittoni.com.au/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/1238?sID=16a333c7 07fd8b43039b7fe9f6686cda Since the ist can take a microdrive, it should take this, no? Sure would, well spotted. I'll acquire one to test shortly. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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looks like it ought to. who's going to volunteer? Herb - Original Message - From: Ryan Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 8:44 PM Subject: Re: IstD vs IstDS On the same site: http://www.mittoni.com.au/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/1238?sID=16a333c707fd8b43039b7fe9f6686cda Since the ist can take a microdrive, it should take this, no?
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Paul Said I haven't used one since, well, last night. I wouldn't want to be without it. I use an *ist-DS and shoot maybe 1/3 of the time with strobes. I use a PC connector about fifty percent of the time - the other 50% with a flash mounted at 90deg on a 1/16 trigger setting. The hotshoe/pc adaptor I bought a while ago cost me AU$0.50 and has never failed me. I actually use it in preference to the PC connector built into the body of other cameras I have as the connector fits more snugly and is further out of the way in portrait orientation. In weighing up the pros and cons of the IstD vs IstDS I think the PC connector is a non-issue. Not having a vertical grip is another matter... Cheers, Simon -Original Message- From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 20 February 2005 1:08 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: IstD vs IstDS On Feb 19, 2005, at 10:34 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Yeah, forgot about that one. It's been years since I used a PC sync cord. :-) I haven't used one since, well, last night. I wouldn't want to be without it.
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From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] the issue is that every CF card, regardless of size, has the most danger of failure during insertion, and the more you have to insert into anything, the more likely something will go wrong You know, some days I regret having gone to college. Especially those psychology classes. Things have never seemed quite the same since. But sometimes a cigar is just a cigar - MCC - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, MI www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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- Original Message - From: Mark Cassino Subject: Re: IstD vs IstDS But sometimes a cigar is just a cigar I owe you a beer. William Robb
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LOL Dave S On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:39:55 -0500, Mark Cassino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] the issue is that every CF card, regardless of size, has the most danger of failure during insertion, and the more you have to insert into anything, the more likely something will go wrong You know, some days I regret having gone to college. Especially those psychology classes. Things have never seemed quite the same since. But sometimes a cigar is just a cigar - MCC - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, MI www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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Tanya wrote: I'm in need for a second body guys and didn't really take much notice when the IstDS was released - can someone give me a quick run down and some views as to whether it would be a suitable backup for my Ist D or should I just buy a second IstD? Tan, FWIW, in Sydney I look at a few places, and couldn't find the *istD for sale and none were online locally. So bought the DS. Haven't regretted it, though. As luck would have it, saw the *istD WY overpriced two weeks later in a chain store (won't name names), something like $A2500 body only. It depends on what the shop has in stock, but if you really want a D, don't wait too long. D -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~derbyc
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Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Tanja, I thought you already bought that second body vbg. As I said in your earlier post, welcome back to the list. The *istDS is a good second body in a lot of ways. It has a bigger, faster buffer, a larger LCD screen, and it's slightly smaller. However, It won't accept a battery grip, and it doesn't have separate AV and TV controls, and it doesn't have Hyper Program mode. The deal breaker for me was no battery grip. I like having the vertical shooting mode and the bigger grip as well as the longer battery life. So I bought an *istD as a second body. YMMV. Not that I've ever even *seen* a Ds, but based on what I know from reading, I'd recommend Tanja go with another D. The main reason for this suggestion is her sizeable investment in CF media -- a backup body that takes different media sounds unwise to me. Also, the difference in control interface would likely be a distraction in the high-pressure situations in which Tan works. BUT I really think the difference in media is a huge reason. ERNR
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--- Butch Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One more important thing is that the Ds does not have a PC connection so you would have to use an adapter or slave to fire studio flashes. Yeah, forgot about that one. It's been years since I used a PC sync cord. :-) Do the Hot Shoe Adapter F and Fg units provide a PC sync terminal? Godfrey __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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On Feb 19, 2005, at 10:34 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Yeah, forgot about that one. It's been years since I used a PC sync cord. :-) I haven't used one since, well, last night. I wouldn't want to be without it.
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and uses SecureDigital cards rather than CompactFlash cards Please pardon my ignorance here (since I'm not yet a DSLR user), but: 1. Which is the more commonly used type of card on DSLR's, in general? 2. Are there any technical and/or functional advantages of one type of card over the other? Thanks for any insights... Fred
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 12:29:51 -0500, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and uses SecureDigital cards rather than CompactFlash cards Please pardon my ignorance here (since I'm not yet a DSLR user), but: 1. Which is the more commonly used type of card on DSLR's, in general? Compact Flash, although I think the Canon 1Ds mk II has slots for both. 2. Are there any technical and/or functional advantages of one type of card over the other? At present SD cards only have a max capacity of 1 gig. Thanks for any insights... Fred Dave S
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-Original Message- From: Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 1. Which is the more commonly used type of card on DSLR's, in general? Compact Flash, without a doubt. 2. Are there any technical and/or functional advantages of one type of card over the other? The main advantage to the CF format (aside from ubiquity) is that the larger size allows for (less expensive) micro-hard drives with ~4G capacities. The main advantage to SD is size. I don't think performance is significantly different. Cards of either format are available in versions that are faster than most cameras. JP - happy new *istDS user.
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On 20/2/05, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed: 1. Which is the more commonly used type of card on DSLR's, in general? Compact Flash, although I think the Canon 1Ds mk II has slots for both. 1Ds mk II and the 1D mk II. I use CF only although I have a 1GB SD card full of Mp3s in my phone that I could use in an emergency... Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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--- Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and uses SecureDigital cards rather than CompactFlash cards Please pardon my ignorance here (since I'm not yet a DSLR user), but: 1. Which is the more commonly used type of card on DSLR's, in general? CompactFlash is the most commonly used card today. It was the first flash-memory card type standardized, based on PCMCIA/PC Card and CardBus hardware protocol standards, and has been in the field longer than any of the others. 2. Are there any technical and/or functional advantages of one type of card over the other? There aren't many differences in function. SecureDigital cards were designed with much the same ideas in mind that MultiMedia card and Memory Stick card formats were: to make the cards smaller, allowing more compact devices through smaller/more compact reader assemblies; to make the cards more robust and easier to handle through lack of fine gauge pin connections and a springloaded/push-push reader locking mechanism; and to provide a hardware write lock switch. SD and Memory Stick cards were also designed to have features salient to authentication features deemed necessary for commercial music providers, but these are irrelevant for the users of digital cameras. At first, SD media cards were relatively expensive for their capacity and were limited to a 1.5Mbyte per second IO speed, but that's changed rapidly as more manufacturers have adopted the format, creating a much larger market, and as the card manufacturers have competed on capacity and speed. Now, SD cards are on par with CF in terms of speed (both are much faster than nearly any digital still camera hardware is able to take advantage of), and only a small differential exists between CF and SD cards of similar capacity and performance spec. SD card slots are noted for higher reliability because of their simpler and self-cleaning connector design: no fine-gauge pins to bend, more flexibility with 'approach angle'. Currently SD and CF are the most widespread flash media cards in the business, I'm not sure which is gaining ground more quickly but it seemed that a few months ago SD was eclipsing CF in most new products, due primarily to the smaller form factor. SD cards with 2Gbyte capacity and high speed data rates will be available within a month or so, there are several vendors already taking pre-orders for 2G Sandisk Ultra II and ATP 60x cards. 4G and 8G prototypes are also rumored to be right around the corner. In the end, storage media is simply a commodity that gets cheaper every year. I have cameras that use Memory Stick, CF, and SD ... Yea, it cost a bit a couple of years ago to acquired adequate storage to be useful, but now with inexpensive 1G high-performance cards easily available, it's not something to worry about too much unless you require one memory format for a large number of devices. However, if you're specifically in need of a system camera backup, it only makes sense to buy a backup that uses the exact same storage, battery and accessories as your primary camera. Godfrey __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo
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Quoting Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Do the Hot Shoe Adapter F and Fg units provide a PC sync terminal? No.
Re: IstD vs IstDS
Quoting Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED]: and uses SecureDigital cards rather than CompactFlash cards Please pardon my ignorance here (since I'm not yet a DSLR user), but: 1. Which is the more commonly used type of card on DSLR's, in general? CF more common in DSLRs than SD is. SD pretty common in compact digital cameras (also used by the Leica digitals which aren't compact but also aren't SLRs). CF used in some non-SLR digital cameras also. 2. Are there any technical and/or functional advantages of one type of card over the other? NOT touching the advantages aspect. But CF cards are physically larger. ERNR
Re: IstD vs IstDS
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do the Hot Shoe Adapter F and Fg units provide a PC sync terminal? No. Interesting. I know I've seen a picture of a PC terminal adapter fitted to the *istDS somewhere. Now if only I could find it.. :-) Godfrey __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: IstD vs IstDS
Sheesh! Me too Paul, I use one for my main light and sync the rest with slaves. Unfortunately I'm too broke to splash out on radio transmitters just yet! hehe. Another strike against the Ds for me, so looks like I'd better get a move on and find myself a D before I can no longer get one! Of course, I could always switch to Canon... heheh... t. :) Tanya Mayer Photography Brisbane, Qld, Australia www.tanyamayer.com Ph +61 (07) 3315 4549 Mobile +61 0437831247 -Original Message- From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 20 February 2005 3:08 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: IstD vs IstDS On Feb 19, 2005, at 10:34 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Yeah, forgot about that one. It's been years since I used a PC sync cord. :-) I haven't used one since, well, last night. I wouldn't want to be without it.
Re: IstD vs IstDS
Wait and see if there are any new announcements from Pentax this coming week (PMA). They are letting the D inventory sell itself out without replacing it, so there might be something in the works. Don't forget that the DS does not take CF cards. rg Steve and Tanya wrote: I'm in need for a second body guys and didn't really take much notice when the IstDS was released - can someone give me a quick run down and some views as to whether it would be a suitable backup for my Ist D or should I just buy a second IstD? Thanks in advance! Tan. :) Tanya Mayer Photography Brisbane, Qld, Australia www.tanyamayer.com Ph +61 (07) 3315 4549 Mobile +61 0437831247
Re: IstD vs IstDS
I'm in need for a second body guys and didn't really take much notice when the IstDS was released - can someone give me a quick run down and some views as to whether it would be a suitable backup for my Ist D or should I just buy a second IstD? Very briefly: The DS has simpler controls (one thumbwheel rather than two), improved write speed performance, more settings driven through the menu and LCD rather than through discrete buttons, does not have wireless flash built in (you need two 360s to do wireless flash, can't do it with one external and the built in), does not have HyperProgram, will not take a battery grip, and uses SecureDigital cards rather than CompactFlash cards. There are other differences, both in features and in operation, but these are the ones that I hear all the time as deciding points. The DS has scene modes and such that the D does not, but they don't go neither here nor there for me. I bought a DS because I liked it more ... I prefer the simpler control layout, ergonomics, and the things missing from the D model are not particularly important to me. That said, thinking of a backup myself, I would buy another DS over a D simply because they would both use SD cards. If I had a D, I'd buy another D so that I could use my CF cards in both. What I'd like to see Pentax release is an upgraded DS follow on with perhaps a couple of the D features returned and maybe a skin in magnesium for a more robust feel without adding any weight or size. Godfrey __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
A Second Body for Tan (Was Re: IstD vs IstDS)
Hi Tanja, I thought you already bought that second body vbg. As I said in your earlier post, welcome back to the list. The *istDS is a good second body in a lot of ways. It has a bigger, faster buffer, a larger LCD screen, and it's slightly smaller. However, It won't accept a battery grip, and it doesn't have separate AV and TV controls, and it doesn't have Hyper Program mode. The deal breaker for me was no battery grip. I like having the vertical shooting mode and the bigger grip as well as the longer battery life. So I bought an *istD as a second body. YMMV. Paul I'm in need for a second body guys and didn't really take much notice when the IstDS was released - can someone give me a quick run down and some views as to whether it would be a suitable backup for my Ist D or should I just buy a second IstD? Thanks in advance! Tan. :) Tanya Mayer Photography Brisbane, Qld, Australia www.tanyamayer.com Ph +61 (07) 3315 4549 Mobile +61 0437831247
Re: A Second Body for Tan (Was Re: IstD vs IstDS)
Forgot to mention that the *istDS uses SD memory cards. That was another deal killer for me since I already have a few gig worth of CF cards. Paul Hi Tanja, I thought you already bought that second body vbg. As I said in your earlier post, welcome back to the list. The *istDS is a good second body in a lot of ways. It has a bigger, faster buffer, a larger LCD screen, and it's slightly smaller. However, It won't accept a battery grip, and it doesn't have separate AV and TV controls, and it doesn't have Hyper Program mode. The deal breaker for me was no battery grip. I like having the vertical shooting mode and the bigger grip as well as the longer battery life. So I bought an *istD as a second body. YMMV. Paul I'm in need for a second body guys and didn't really take much notice when the IstDS was released - can someone give me a quick run down and some views as to whether it would be a suitable backup for my Ist D or should I just buy a second IstD? Thanks in advance! Tan. :) Tanya Mayer Photography Brisbane, Qld, Australia www.tanyamayer.com Ph +61 (07) 3315 4549 Mobile +61 0437831247
Re: IstD vs IstDS
Since I like my camera bodies to have identical controls I'd veto the *ist-Ds as it seems to have significant handling differences if you use it in anything other than in green program mode. In addition it uses CF cards as opposed to SD cards, which will complicate your life with another media. Part of a backup is being able to use the same recoding media. Steve and Tanya wrote: I'm in need for a second body guys and didn't really take much notice when the IstDS was released - can someone give me a quick run down and some views as to whether it would be a suitable backup for my Ist D or should I just buy a second IstD? Thanks in advance! Tan. :) Tanya Mayer Photography Brisbane, Qld, Australia www.tanyamayer.com Ph +61 (07) 3315 4549 Mobile +61 0437831247 while but I missed you all so I am back. Having been out of the loop for a while I need to ask, what is PESO? Well, I'm looking forward to some great discussions. Dave -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
RE: IstD vs IstDS
Yup, I hear you all! Thanks guys, I didn't realise the CF card thingy - I have about 6gbs of CF cards now, so I don't think I'll be changing to SD any time soon. Looks like another *istD it is then! btw, you all seem so surprised to hear from me! its so funny cause although I haven't posted of late, I have been reading right along with you all, so to me, it doesn't seem as if I have been gone at all! lol. Ok, gotta get my crap together, got a gig on in two hours... tan. :) Tanya Mayer Photography Brisbane, Qld, Australia www.tanyamayer.com Ph +61 (07) 3315 4549 Mobile +61 0437831247 -Original Message- From: Peter J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 19 February 2005 10:17 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: IstD vs IstDS Since I like my camera bodies to have identical controls I'd veto the *ist-Ds as it seems to have significant handling differences if you use it in anything other than in green program mode. In addition it uses CF cards as opposed to SD cards, which will complicate your life with another media. Part of a backup is being able to use the same recoding media. Steve and Tanya wrote: I'm in need for a second body guys and didn't really take much notice when the IstDS was released - can someone give me a quick run down and some views as to whether it would be a suitable backup for my Ist D or should I just buy a second IstD? Thanks in advance! Tan. :) Tanya Mayer Photography Brisbane, Qld, Australia www.tanyamayer.com Ph +61 (07) 3315 4549 Mobile +61 0437831247 while but I missed you all so I am back. Having been out of the loop for a while I need to ask, what is PESO? Well, I'm looking forward to some great discussions. Dave -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: IstD vs IstDS
the *istDS uses SD cards. that means a complete set of incompatible media across the two cameras. since the *istD has probably been discontinued, if you need one, you have to either act quickly or wait for months for whatever replaces it. i expect something to be announced at PMA. what it will be, i haven't a clue. apparently Pentax Japan has been talking to analysts and saying that there will be at least one major DSLR announcement this year. if announced at PMA, then when one can obtain it is another question. we'll know by the end of next week. Herb - Original Message - From: Steve and Tanya [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Net [EMAIL PROTECTED] pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 6:18 PM Subject: IstD vs IstDS I'm in need for a second body guys and didn't really take much notice when the IstDS was released - can someone give me a quick run down and some views as to whether it would be a suitable backup for my Ist D or should I just buy a second IstD?
Re: IstD vs IstDS
As I mentioned earlier today, BH still has brand new *ist D cameras. However, the price hasn't dropped one bit since May, which I find quite interesting. They're $1199. I've seen new ones on ebay for around $1000. Buyer beware, of course. Paul On Feb 18, 2005, at 7:55 PM, Herb Chong wrote: the *istDS uses SD cards. that means a complete set of incompatible media across the two cameras. since the *istD has probably been discontinued, if you need one, you have to either act quickly or wait for months for whatever replaces it. i expect something to be announced at PMA. what it will be, i haven't a clue. apparently Pentax Japan has been talking to analysts and saying that there will be at least one major DSLR announcement this year. if announced at PMA, then when one can obtain it is another question. we'll know by the end of next week. Herb - Original Message - From: Steve and Tanya [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Net [EMAIL PROTECTED] pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 6:18 PM Subject: IstD vs IstDS I'm in need for a second body guys and didn't really take much notice when the IstDS was released - can someone give me a quick run down and some views as to whether it would be a suitable backup for my Ist D or should I just buy a second IstD?
Re: IstD vs IstDS
Godfrey wrote: Very briefly: The DS has simpler controls (one thumbwheel rather than two), improved write speed performance, more settings driven through the menu and LCD rather than through discrete buttons, does not have wireless flash built in (you need two 360s to do wireless flash, can't do it with one external and the built in), does not have HyperProgram, will not take a battery grip, and uses SecureDigital cards rather than CompactFlash cards. There are other differences, both in features and in operation, but these are the ones that I hear all the time as deciding points. The DS has scene modes and such that the D does not, but they don't go neither here nor there for me. I bought a DS because I liked it more ... I prefer the simpler control layout, ergonomics, and the things missing from the D model are not particularly important to me. That said, thinking of a backup myself, I would buy another DS over a D simply because they would both use SD cards. If I had a D, I'd buy another D so that I could use my CF cards in both. What I'd like to see Pentax release is an upgraded DS follow on with perhaps a couple of the D features returned and maybe a skin in magnesium for a more robust feel without adding any weight or size. One more important thing is that the Ds does not have a PC connection so you would have to use an adapter or slave to fire studio flashes. Butch
RE: istD vs istDS and How I Made My Choice
Larry in Dallas wrote: Anyone know function of the access lamp on the back of the D? I guess it means the camera is busy ...please wait Jens Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Larry Levy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. december 2004 21:40 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: istD vs istDS and How I Made My Choice Hi, My local Wolf's had a day of camera reps last month and I was able to handle both the D and DS using the same lenses. Parameters: I was looking for the digital equivalent of my Z-1, with the type of function variability I've grown accustomed to using over the last 15 years. I was forcibly retired from a really good job 3 years ago, so money is important. I expect my wife won't want to use either, so overt simplicity is not important. Feeling to hand Both were slightly too small for my hands. The DS's deeper grip was more comfortable. Use: The DS assumes more of the details of photography than I'm ready to give up. It is much more novice friendly and not as readily modified. The D worked intuitively after years of Z-1. PIcture quality from both were pretty equivalent for what I was able to do during my hour's exploration. Minor: I've got several CFs from an Optio and prefer that format to the SD for storage media. I also have a CF reader. I found NO DIFFICULTY removing the CF from the D. (If that isn't a strange looking sentence, I don't know what is.) Result: I went for the D and later got a battery grip (which is not going to be available for the DS). With the grip, the D handles quite well, even with a 300 (or rather, now a 450) lens. They also had a 17-28 Pentax fisheye at a good clearance price. This, of course gave me a good long time to explain to my wife about why I needed such a wonderful unique lens. On the Z-1, it's a great full frame fisheye (which is what I wanted), while on the D, it's simply a wide angle zoom with controlled barrel distortion. Anyway, I have this wonderful new tool (almost wrote toy) which I used extensively when I visited with my grandchildren and had dinner with some college friends I hadn't seen in over 40 years. ***Question: Anyone know function of the access lamp on the back of the D? Larry in Dallas --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.802 / Virus Database: 545 - Release Date: 11/28/2004
Re: istD vs istDS and How I Made My Choice
On Dec 3, 2004, at 10:05 PM, Jens Bladt wrote: I guess it means the camera is busy ...please wait Yeah, literally, it's accessing the CF card. -- -Jon Glass Krakow, Poland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: istD vs istDS and How I Made My Choice
On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 14:40:14 -0600, Larry Levy wrote: Hi, My local Wolf's had a day of camera reps last month and I was able to handle both the D and DS using the same lenses. The D worked intuitively after years of Z-1. I used a Z1p for a few years and then moved to the MZ-S, mainly for the P-TTL and wireless flash. I found it easy to move to the D. I've been looking at the DS, and admit that the larger buffer and USB 2 would be nice, but I wouldn't like to give up things like the hyper operation or the wireless flash - I use this all the time. I carry 2 AF360FGZ flashes around normally and a bracket for macro use. I'd hate to have to go back to cables to the flashes (I have the cables from the Z1p days and keep them for very occasional use). I went for the D and later got a battery grip (which is not going to be available for the DS). With the grip, the D handles quite well, even with a 300 (or rather, now a 450) lens. I've been contemplating the battery grip but haven't bought it yet. A 300 f2.8 would be nice on the D. Anyone know function of the access lamp on the back of the D? It tells you when the CF card is being accessed. Do NOT remove the CF card while it is being accessed. Leon http://www.bluering.org.au http://www.bluering.org.au/leon
Re: istD vs istDS and How I Made My Choice
On 3 Dec 2004 at 14:40, Larry Levy wrote: I found NO DIFFICULTY removing the CF from the D. (If that isn't a strange looking sentence, I don't know what is.) Add a permanent strap (I use Tamracs with the little QRs on all my gear) and a fat/sticky CF card and your view may change. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
