RE: Luddite posting.

2003-12-10 Thread Malcolm Smith
Dave Miers wrote:

  I suppose the biggest thing you should take into 
 consideration is that
 when
  people look at your picture, they're not looking at your 
 darn camera.
 No-one
  will give a stuff about the camera that took the picture except the 
  photographer.
 
 I assume you were not counting the people on this list 
 because if you were to post a really good image with out 
 including the equipment and settings used..that would be 
 most of these characters first question I'd bet...lol

I take what you say with the spirit it's intended, but I find with digital,
most of the 'magic' has gone; all the poor shots simply won't be saved.

I certainly wouldn't place anyone here in that category, but no one will
explore why it's a poor shot. It will all be a case of 'that's good enough
for...(add e-mail to relatives or look good enough for a website)'.

Of course, it may be a good thing to get more people involved in
photography, in that some have some real talent and enjoy it for the hobby
it is, rather than a computer add on.

The simply fact is that most new camera sales fall one of two ways; digital
or single-use. I don't like that much but tough, I've got to learn to live
with it. 

Malcolm




Re: Luddite posting.

2003-12-10 Thread Christian Skofteland
- Original Message - 
From: Malcolm Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]



 I take what you say with the spirit it's intended, but I find with
digital,
 most of the 'magic' has gone; all the poor shots simply won't be saved.

I didn't save my poor shots when I shot transparency film.  Right into the
trash!  How has the magic gone?  What's magic about keeping crappy pictures?


 I certainly wouldn't place anyone here in that category, but no one will
 explore why it's a poor shot.

Yeah, I'd look at a slide (or now a digital image) and see that the exposure
was off, it was out of focus or just (usually in my case) crappy
composition, and then toss it right into the trash.  There's no point
keeping it if you are never going to look at it again.

Periodically I go through my keepers and find shots I kept and think to
myself: why the hell did I keep this one?  ew! and into the bin it
goes.  I am my own worst critic and I am ruthless with myself.  (The only
exception is pictures of my children.  Unless it is so bad as to be
unrecognizable, I keep EVERY picture of my kids).

Christian



RE: Luddite posting.

2003-12-09 Thread Malcolm Smith
 Rob Studdert wrote:
 
  I see there has been an avalanche of responses thus far.. 
  
  Maybe you can enlighten us to the reasons for your feelings?


OK, reply as follows. There are many contradictions, but please allow this
one off, as thinking out loud.

I suppose the biggest thing you should take into consideration is that when
people look at your picture, they're not looking at your darn camera. No-one
will give a stuff about the camera that took the picture except the
photographer.

The *ist D isn't built to the same manufacture build as an LX, but then what
would it have cost if it had?

The *ist D isn't my favourite camera to use, but, aaargh!, it gets the
results. I am not it's greatest fan, but it does the business.

Camera shops are full of people buying digital cameras - but as an addition
to their computer; not necessarily because of any interest in photography.
Many are they who have left their (35mm) cameras to rot in a cupboard.

The thing that concerns me is that my three children live in the world of
now - and they, their friends and most of their parents exist in the world
of digital photography. Everything is click, send you the picture tonight or
show you the print tomorrow.

I go into a shop now and regardless how I think, most of it is made over to
digital photography. Much as I would like to say no to the loss of film,
it's happening.

Now, do I accept the fact that digital is the way (?), and start to sell my
film gear on eBay (keeping at least a couple of film cameras), or do I
accept that the cameras I really enjoy using myself will be collectors items
or bookends?

Malcolm 






Re: Luddite posting.

2003-12-09 Thread Dave Miers
 I suppose the biggest thing you should take into consideration is that
when
 people look at your picture, they're not looking at your darn camera.
No-one
 will give a stuff about the camera that took the picture except the
 photographer.

I assume you were not counting the people on this list because if you were
to post a really good image with out including the equipment and settings
used..that would be most of these characters first question I'd
bet...lol




Re: Luddite posting.

2003-12-08 Thread Rob Studdert
On 8 Dec 2003 at 11:38, Malcolm Smith wrote:

 How do I like the *ist D?
 
 So far, not a lot. An LX it ain't.

I see there has been an avalanche of responses thus far.. 

Maybe you can enlighten us to the reasons for your feelings?

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



RE: Luddite posting.

2003-12-08 Thread Malcolm Smith
Rob Studdert wrote:

 I see there has been an avalanche of responses thus far.. 
 
 Maybe you can enlighten us to the reasons for your feelings?

I'll reply this weekend. 

Malcolm