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It might, if it were true. :-) But it aint. John On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 21:39:54 -0800, Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That would explain everything! Regards, Bob... A picture is worth a thousand words, but it uses up three thousand times the memory. From: Collin R Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bagpipes are, as I understand, actually of French origin. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 23/03/2005
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William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Collin R Brendemuehl Subject: Re: OT: peace Bagpipes are, as I understand, actually of French origin. Ah. Freedom Pipes. They sound better already. William Robb Doesn't happen often but that made me laugh out loud at the monitor. m
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On Mar 24, 2005, at 9:52 AM, Jostein wrote: You mean, you come out of a den 40 pounds lighter, terribly hungry and in a fierce mood? Sounds like me every morning (except the 40 pounds lighter). Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
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On Mar 24, 2005, at 12:38 PM, D. Glenn Arthur Jr. wrote: But hey, if the list hasn't been argumentative enough for folks: vi rocks, emacs sucks, and nothing else is even worthy of being called an editor except maybe EDT! Hmm, I'll bite. When all is said and done I think my favourite editor at the moment is actually Dreamweaver in code-mode. It had better be, considering the amount of PHP I've been doing this year. At work we use Visual Slick Edit but that has a few idiosyncrasies that really annoy me (that might just be a case of changing some options though). In a terminal window I'll use Nano by preference, or Pico otherwise. I'll use vi if it's all that is available on a rescue disk... and I'll wash my hands afterwards. For simple to-do lists and the like, I'll use Notepad or Wordpad (on Windows) or TextEdit (Mac). As for starting arguments, how about these (trying to keep vagely on-topic): Epson vs Canon CRT vs LCD Slides vs negs sRGB vs Adobe RGB 8x10 vs 4x5 vs 6x7 vs 6x4.5 vs 35mm vs digital Mac vs PC Extreme Ironing vs Extreme Accounting (don't laugh until you've seen the websites!) - Dave
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David Mann wrote: Extreme Ironing vs Extreme Accounting (don't laugh until you've seen the websites!) http://www.elvum.net/gallery/ironing My Extreme Ironing photos :-) S
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John Francis enscribed Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:38:00 -0800 D. Glenn Arthur Jr. mused: ... Now to sit back and see whether there's a single TECO user on the PDML to rise to the bait.) You rang? (DECSystem-10 DECSystem-20 Algol 60 support development, 75-78) Hey, guys -- CP/M rules. Sincerely, C. Brendemuehl Caveat: This information should be viewed critically. It may merit as much technical excellence as a CBS news report. Sent via the WebMail system at mail.safe-t.net
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Ok, I'll bite. :) vi is useful for quick editing if you've got a ssh/telnet connection to something, but for real work, you _need_ emacs. C-x C-c -Original Message- From: D. Glenn Arthur Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 7:38 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Re: OT: peace vi rocks, emacs sucks, and nothing else is even worthy of being called an editor except maybe EDT! (Well, that usually works to start a holy war on the _other_ high volume mailing list full of opinionated people that I read, anyhow ... Now to sit back and see whether there's a single TECO user on the PDML to rise to the bait.) -- Glenn
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Here is one I got the other day. The Brothel Two Irishmen were sitting at a pub having beer and watching the brothel across the street. They saw a Baptist minister walk into the brothel, and one of them said, Aye, 'tis a shame to see a man of the cloth goin' bad. Then they saw a rabbi enter the brothel, and the other Irishman said, Aye, 'tis a shame to see that the Jews are fallin' victim to temptation as well. Then they see a catholic priest enter the brothel, and one of the Irishmen said, What a terrible pity...one of the girls must be dying. Collin R Brendemuehl wrote: We've gone months now with no threads on religion/faith, politics, war. or even the semantic use of N* C*. For that matter, N* C* haven't really been used @ all for a while now. At least not in any quantity. We are at peace. That's a good thing. But how did it come about. Is the Pentax world too quiet, have we all self-medicated, or did WW join the Mennonites in Canada? :) Collin
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emacs, the original bloated does everything you don't want it to do software. vi, the perfect editor for use with teletype terminals. Word, version 6 was great, so they changed it. That is the MS way. lyx, this makes sense, so nobody uses it. Edit Pad Lite, I use it. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Jon Paul Schelter (R* Toronto) wrote: Ok, I'll bite. :) vi is useful for quick editing if you've got a ssh/telnet connection to something, but for real work, you _need_ emacs. C-x C-c -Original Message- From: D. Glenn Arthur Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 7:38 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Re: OT: peace vi rocks, emacs sucks, and nothing else is even worthy of being called an editor except maybe EDT! (Well, that usually works to start a holy war on the _other_ high volume mailing list full of opinionated people that I read, anyhow ... Now to sit back and see whether there's a single TECO user on the PDML to rise to the bait.) -- Glenn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 3/23/2005
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emacs, the original bloated does everything you don't want it to do software. vi, the perfect editor for use with teletype terminals. Or as I like to say... Emacs is so configurable, you can't possibly configure it. -Cory * * Cory Papenfuss* * Electrical Engineering candidate Ph.D. graduate student * * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * *
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Graywolf wrote: emacs, the original bloated does everything you don't want it to do software. vi, the perfect editor for use with teletype terminals. What's VI? Verb intrasigent? Word, version 6 was great, so they changed it. That is the MS way. Word 5.1a was much better. I finally copied it and kept it for all time... lyx, this makes sense, so nobody uses it. Lyx. Hmmm. No bells go off. Google says: LyX is the first WYSIWYM document processor. What's M? Must be Mac. I did some other reading on that site, and it's a bit too cumbersome. Apparently you have to have this and that program to use it, etc. Little building blocks. Oh well. keith Edit Pad Lite, I use it. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:17:22 -0500, Graywolf wrote: emacs, the original bloated does everything you don't want it to do software. vi, the perfect editor for use with teletype terminals. Word, version 6 was great, so they changed it. That is the MS way. lyx, this makes sense, so nobody uses it. Edit Pad Lite, I use it. Real programmers whistle into the modem. Real programmers use 'copy con: program.exe'. :-D TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
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vi is a text editor for unix. It was designed to use on pure text terminals. LyX is a graphical front end for the unix LaTeX typesetting (Mark up) software system. Great for writing dissertations, or encyclopedias. Basically you set up a profile and then just write. It does all the formatting automatically. (What You Get is What You Want) rather than (What You See is What You Get). Unfortunately development seems to have died. The original unix philosophy was to use a whole bunch of interconnected pieces of simple software. Makes for easy debugging, and upgrading. Not great for locking in high end big spending customers however. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Keith Whaley wrote: Graywolf wrote: emacs, the original bloated does everything you don't want it to do software. vi, the perfect editor for use with teletype terminals. What's VI? Verb intrasigent? Word, version 6 was great, so they changed it. That is the MS way. Word 5.1a was much better. I finally copied it and kept it for all time... lyx, this makes sense, so nobody uses it. Lyx. Hmmm. No bells go off. Google says: LyX is the first WYSIWYM document processor. What's M? Must be Mac. I did some other reading on that site, and it's a bit too cumbersome. Apparently you have to have this and that program to use it, etc. Little building blocks. Oh well. keith Edit Pad Lite, I use it. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 3/23/2005
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That would explain everything! Regards, Bob... A picture is worth a thousand words, but it uses up three thousand times the memory. From: Collin R Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bagpipes are, as I understand, actually of French origin.
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Copper wire: An accidental invention when two Scotsmen found a penny lying on the street. Bagpipes: An Irish invention, given to the Scots as a joke. They never did catch on. Or: An Indian invention that got tossed on the dungheap, found by the Scots, who have been blowing the crap out of them ever since. William (MacFarlane) Robb
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and even that dodn't work... this sucks. best, mishka On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:33:58 +, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's because everybody now agrees with George Bush. It's dangerous not to. -- Cheers, Bob
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Bagpipes: An Irish invention, given to the Scots as a joke. They never did catch on. Or: An Indian invention that got tossed on the dungheap, found by the Scots, who have been blowing the crap out of them ever since. The irony there is that although bagpipes are today associated primarily with the Scots in most people's minds, darn near every culture seems to have come up with the idea -- a bladder or bellows supplying air to one or more single- or double-reed pipes -- independently at some point in history. I've got more recordings of Flemish bagpipes than Scottish ones in my CD collection. But I'm still going to remember that second version to inflict on someone at the next Celtic festival I go to anyhow. But hey, if the list hasn't been argumentative enough for folks: vi rocks, emacs sucks, and nothing else is even worthy of being called an editor except maybe EDT! (Well, that usually works to start a holy war on the _other_ high volume mailing list full of opinionated people that I read, anyhow ... Now to sit back and see whether there's a single TECO user on the PDML to rise to the bait.) -- Glenn
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Do I take it you're a Pibroch lover? Or not? John On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:38:06 -0500 (EST), D. Glenn Arthur Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bagpipes: An Irish invention, given to the Scots as a joke. They never did catch on. Or: An Indian invention that got tossed on the dungheap, found by the Scots, who have been blowing the crap out of them ever since. The irony there is that although bagpipes are today associated primarily with the Scots in most people's minds, darn near every culture seems to have come up with the idea -- a bladder or bellows supplying air to one or more single- or double-reed pipes -- independently at some point in history. I've got more recordings of Flemish bagpipes than Scottish ones in my CD collection. But I'm still going to remember that second version to inflict on someone at the next Celtic festival I go to anyhow. But hey, if the list hasn't been argumentative enough for folks: vi rocks, emacs sucks, and nothing else is even worthy of being called an editor except maybe EDT! (Well, that usually works to start a holy war on the _other_ high volume mailing list full of opinionated people that I read, anyhow ... Now to sit back and see whether there's a single TECO user on the PDML to rise to the bait.) -- Glenn -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 21/03/2005
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At 19:53 2005.03.23 -0500, you wrote: From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Re: OT: peace Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Copper wire: An accidental invention when two Scotsmen found a penny lying on the street. Bagpipes: An Irish invention, given to the Scots as a joke. They never did catch on. Or: An Indian invention that got tossed on the dungheap, found by the Scots, who have been blowing the crap out of them ever since. William (MacFarlane) Robb Bagpipes are, as I understand, actually of French origin. Collin
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Hi, Bagpipes are, as I understand, actually of French origin. Nah. They probably go right back to the first man who ever skinned a sheep. Can't f*ck it. Can't suck it. Let's see what happens if you blow it. -- Cheers, Bob
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- Original Message - From: Collin R Brendemuehl Subject: Re: OT: peace Bagpipes are, as I understand, actually of French origin. Ah. Freedom Pipes. They sound better already. William Robb
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Jostein wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't know about you but I've been hibernating. Yogi You mean, you come out of a den 40 pounds lighter, terribly hungry and in a fierce mood? :-) Jostein (just back from a semi-hike in the mountains) 8-) This is a new meaning of the word hibernate. It involves going out as little as possible, staring at a CRT tube for hours on end and coming out of winter 40lbs _heavier_. Hunger and mood are exactly correct. First jaunt of the year tomorrow, to the Eden project. With wife, her mother and her two aunts. It will be like having a flock of parrots in the car mike earplugged
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D. Glenn Arthur Jr. mused: ... Now to sit back and see whether there's a single TECO user on the PDML to rise to the bait.) You rang? (DECSystem-10 DECSystem-20 Algol 60 support development, 75-78)
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From: Collin R Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/03/23 Wed AM 11:15:04 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: OT: peace We've gone months now with no threads on religion/faith, politics, war. or even the semantic use of N* C*. For that matter, N* C* haven't really been used @ all for a while now. At least not in any quantity. We are at peace. That's a good thing. But how did it come about. Is the Pentax world too quiet, have we all self-medicated, or did WW join the Mennonites in Canada? :) Don't know about you but I've been hibernating. Yogi - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
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Hi, Wednesday, March 23, 2005, 11:15:04 AM, Collin wrote: We've gone months now with no threads on religion/faith, politics, war. or even the semantic use of N* C*. For that matter, N* C* haven't really been used @ all for a while now. At least not in any quantity. We are at peace. That's a good thing. But how did it come about. Is the Pentax world too quiet, have we all self-medicated, or did WW join the Mennonites in Canada? :) it's because everybody now agrees with George Bush. It's dangerous not to. -- Cheers, Bob
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On 23/3/05, Collin R Brendemuehl, discombobulated, unleashed: We've gone months now with no threads on religion/faith, politics, war. or even the semantic use of N* C*. For that matter, N* C* haven't really been used @ all for a while now. At least not in any quantity. We are at peace. I was hoping for a good punch up meself. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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We've gone months now with no threads on religion/faith, politics, war. or even the semantic use of N* C*. For that matter, N* C* haven't really been used @ all for a while now. At least not in any quantity. We are at peace. That's a good thing. I have to disagree. There was a recent thread here that was started with a religious/ethnic joke that one of us (yours truly) thought was inappropriate, and said so. [It wasn't about my ethnic group or my religion, but I just think that all religious and/or ethnic jokes should be off limits in this sort of a forum, but that's only just my opinion, and apparently I'm in the minority on that point.] It did not become a war because I chose not to fuel the ethnic fires with any further reply. Instead, the thread went on peacefully for days with more jokes and the occasional defense of the appropriateness of telling ethnic and/or religious jokes. Yes, there was peace, but it was not a good thing. Fred
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 06:15:04 -0500, Collin R Brendemuehl wrote: We are at peace. That's a good thing. But how did it come about. Occasionally, even fools and children act wisely. :-) TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
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Quoting Collin R Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED]: We've gone months now with no threads on religion/faith, politics, war. or even the semantic use of N* C*. For that matter, N* C* haven't really been used @ all for a while now. At least not in any quantity. We are at peace. That's a good thing. But how did it come about. Is the Pentax world too quiet, have we all self-medicated, or did WW join the Mennonites in Canada? :) There's another possibility -- that you're missing a handful of posts :-( ERNR
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:12:24 -0500, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to disagree. There was a recent thread here that was started with a religious/ethnic joke that one of us (yours truly) thought was inappropriate, and said so. [It wasn't about my ethnic group or my religion, but I just think that all religious and/or ethnic jokes should be off limits in this sort of a forum, but that's only just my opinion, and apparently I'm in the minority on that point.] It did not become a war because I chose not to fuel the ethnic fires with any further reply. Instead, the thread went on peacefully for days with more jokes and the occasional defense of the appropriateness of telling ethnic and/or religious jokes. Yes, there was peace, but it was not a good thing. Fred I must have missed the ethnic joke thread. Other than that, It seems to me that we've had a few contentious discussions that might have ended up in flame wars, but for level heads. It may be a time of peace, but it seems to me a rather fragile peace. One word in the wrong place might have set things off in an entirely different direction. OTOH, maybe it's a good thing that pototentially dangerous situations seem to be handled in a mature way. Maybe we're growing LOL. cheers, frnak -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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Hi Fred ... If that was the joke about the IRS auditor, I found it quite funny, and not the least bit offensive. It beautifully pokes fun at stereotyping, and the joke itself has a long history in comedy in various iterations. Frankly, I take greater offense at using asterisks when mentioning Nikon and Canon since A) Pentax is the only brand using an asterisk in the name of one of its products and B) Nikon and Canon, for the most part, are singled out while other camera brands generally are spelled out in full, as are third party lenses and other non-Pentax photographic products. One can say that by using asterisks for Nikon and Canon they are being singled out for a certain type of discrimination. I agree that the use of certain types of humor can get some people upset, but good humor is supposed to do that, for by poking fun or making light of a situation it can point out its absurdity and foolishness. What is truly sad is that some people will get so upset that they will create more antagonism by riling against the humor, and those that invoke it, than the joke or anecdote by itself may have Of course, I love humor in any form, and will sometimes read myself to sleep with a book that is just filled with jokes and anecdotes. A priest, a rabbi, and a nun walk into a bar. The bartender says, What is this, a joke? A set of jumper cables walks into a bar, and the bartender say, I'll serve you, but don't start anything. I have a friend who's a Puerto Rican Jew. He's a janitor, but he owns the building. Shel [Original Message] From: Fred We are at peace. That's a good thing. I have to disagree. There was a recent thread here that was started with a religious/ethnic joke that one of us (yours truly) thought was inappropriate, and said so. [It wasn't about my ethnic group or my religion, but I just think that all religious and/or ethnic jokes should be off limits in this sort of a forum, but that's only just my opinion, and apparently I'm in the minority on that point.] It did not become a war because I chose not to fuel the ethnic fires with any further reply. Instead, the thread went on peacefully for days with more jokes and the occasional defense of the appropriateness of telling ethnic and/or religious jokes. Yes, there was peace, but it was not a good thing. Fred
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On 23/3/05, Shel Belinkoff, discombobulated, unleashed: If that was the joke about the IRS auditor, I found it quite funny, and not the least bit offensive. It beautifully pokes fun at stereotyping, and the joke itself has a long history in comedy in various iterations. Frankly, I take greater offense at using asterisks when mentioning Nikon and Canon since A) Pentax is the only brand using an asterisk in the name of one of its products and B) Nikon and Canon, for the most part, are singled out while other camera brands generally are spelled out in full, as are third party lenses and other non-Pentax photographic products. One can say that by using asterisks for Nikon and Canon they are being singled out for a certain type of discrimination. Yeah, what Sh*l said! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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Humor is difficult and very culture dependent. I even found that having a language, a wording, that came from the eastern traditional working class part of our capital Oslo, made me seem rude and impolite at the University. The same city, just different parts. That was a surprise. Concealing the wording under an academic language just made things worse. So I learnt that you shouldn´t search for insults because you will always find them. Because of this I think we should be even more liberal to other peoples jokes and meanings. Accept the differences, it isn´t easy (I know), but it is all we can do to avoid the flame wars over what we think that the others think, and not what they actually do think. We have at least 10 nationalities here, and if all of them have the same cultural differences a small city like Oslo has it is a wonder we can communicate at all. DagT På 23. mar. 2005 kl. 15.40 skrev Shel Belinkoff: I agree that the use of certain types of humor can get some people upset, but good humor is supposed to do that, for by poking fun or making light of a situation it can point out its absurdity and foolishness. What is truly sad is that some people will get so upset that they will create more antagonism by riling against the humor, and those that invoke it, than the joke or anecdote by itself may have Of course, I love humor in any form, and will sometimes read myself to sleep with a book that is just filled with jokes and anecdotes. A priest, a rabbi, and a nun walk into a bar. The bartender says, What is this, a joke? A set of jumper cables walks into a bar, and the bartender say, I'll serve you, but don't start anything. I have a friend who's a Puerto Rican Jew. He's a janitor, but he owns the building. Shel [Original Message] From: Fred We are at peace. That's a good thing. I have to disagree. There was a recent thread here that was started with a religious/ethnic joke that one of us (yours truly) thought was inappropriate, and said so. [It wasn't about my ethnic group or my religion, but I just think that all religious and/or ethnic jokes should be off limits in this sort of a forum, but that's only just my opinion, and apparently I'm in the minority on that point.] It did not become a war because I chose not to fuel the ethnic fires with any further reply. Instead, the thread went on peacefully for days with more jokes and the occasional defense of the appropriateness of telling ethnic and/or religious jokes. Yes, there was peace, but it was not a good thing. Fred
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The Leica list has solved the politics/religion/whatever thing in a way that I see as sensitive: Set up a parallel list, where everything goes. If you don't want politics, don't subscribe to it. If you care to see it but don't want to interfere with the photo talk too much, filter it into a different folder. And if you actually like political discussion, just put both into the same folder. We are a group of people who stay in contact in a daily basis. It is only natural that politics and religion, being the most important facets of life imho, will come up here and there. j On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 06:15:04 -0500, Collin R Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've gone months now with no threads on religion/faith, politics, war. or even the semantic use of N* C*. For that matter, N* C* haven't really been used @ all for a while now. At least not in any quantity. We are at peace. That's a good thing. But how did it come about. Is the Pentax world too quiet, have we all self-medicated, or did WW join the Mennonites in Canada? :) Collin -- Juan Buhler - SIGGRAPH 2005 Sketches and Posters Chair http://www.jbuhler.com photoblog at http://photoblog.jbuhler.com
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Good idea. All those who wish to discuss politics and religion should set up a parallel list. Every once in a while, when the embers cool, they may even have a chance to discuss photography. Paul The Leica list has solved the politics/religion/whatever thing in a way that I see as sensitive: Set up a parallel list, where everything goes. If you don't want politics, don't subscribe to it. If you care to see it but don't want to interfere with the photo talk too much, filter it into a different folder. And if you actually like political discussion, just put both into the same folder. We are a group of people who stay in contact in a daily basis. It is only natural that politics and religion, being the most important facets of life imho, will come up here and there. j On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 06:15:04 -0500, Collin R Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've gone months now with no threads on religion/faith, politics, war. or even the semantic use of N* C*. For that matter, N* C* haven't really been used @ all for a while now. At least not in any quantity. We are at peace. That's a good thing. But how did it come about. Is the Pentax world too quiet, have we all self-medicated, or did WW join the Mennonites in Canada? :) Collin -- Juan Buhler - SIGGRAPH 2005 Sketches and Posters Chair http://www.jbuhler.com photoblog at http://photoblog.jbuhler.com
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Quoting Juan Buhler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: We are a group of people who stay in contact in a daily basis. It is only natural that politics and religion, being the most important facets of life imho, will come up here and there. Given some things you've said in the past, I was genuinely surprised to read here that religion is one of the most important facets of life in your opinion. (That politics was one, didn't surprise me, but something you'd said in the past left me with the impression that you were quite irreligious. I must've missed something or misread something.) Live and learn!! Anyway, I quite agree with you that those are important to people. But that also means that, at least to some people, their political opinions are very deep ones; and a person's religious faith may be more deeply held still. It's quite possible that politics and religion could be discussed by people who don't share the same beliefs. The problem arises when someone writes something that is hostile to, or rudely dismissive of, another political point of view or religious point of view. In other words, throwing out an insult, knowing it's an insult to a different point of view. Insulting a person's choice of shirt may be easily worked out as humorous teasing or something ... insulting a person's elected leader (that the person believed should be elected) or -- far worse -- insulting a matter of a person's religious faith is NOT good for relationships! This is probably why it's considered very rude, and definitely why it should be discouraged in a setting like this one. For some reason, most of the political shouting matches around here started because someone chose to throw out some sort of insulting language. It would be nice if this sort of thing could be avoided by just recommending that people be POLITE and CONSIDERATE in their postings, (people of different faiths or political persuasion can discuss their differences if they're careful to be polite and considerate) but somehow I fear that wouldn't work. Just my few cents. ERNR
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Hi, Wednesday, March 23, 2005, 7:58:03 PM, ernreed2 wrote: Quoting Juan Buhler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: We are a group of people who stay in contact in a daily basis. It is only natural that politics and religion, being the most important facets of life imho, will come up here and there. Given some things you've said in the past, I was genuinely surprised to read here that religion is one of the most important facets of life in your opinion. (That politics was one, didn't surprise me, but something you'd said in the past left me with the impression that you were quite irreligious. I must've missed something or misread something.) Live and learn!! I'm an atheist (I don't like the word), but religion is important in my life because, apart from anything else, there's so much of the stuff around. It is making its unwelcome presence felt in many aspects of my life. The most powerful country in the world has an explicitly religious agenda. This affects all of us, whatever we might think about religion in general or that religion in particular. Apart from that, I was brought up in a culture based on a particular type of religion, so a great deal of my personality derives from my reactions to that. This is true of almost everybody on Earth. -- Cheers, Bob
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:58:03 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Given some things you've said in the past, I was genuinely surprised to read here that religion is one of the most important facets of life in your opinion. (That politics was one, didn't surprise me, but something you'd said in the past left me with the impression that you were quite irreligious. I must've missed something or misread something.) Live and learn!! Your perception was correct: I am irreligious, but only after a lot of reading and learning about religion and its history. I consider religion one of the most important facets of life because the fact that most people are religious in some way or another affects everybody, even nontheists like me. j -- Juan Buhler http://www.jbuhler.com photoblog at http://photoblog.jbuhler.com
Re: OT: peace
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't know about you but I've been hibernating. Yogi You mean, you come out of a den 40 pounds lighter, terribly hungry and in a fierce mood? :-) Jostein (just back from a semi-hike in the mountains)
Re: OT: peace
Why were wheelbarrows invented? So Irishmen could walk upright. Collin (Cowan Devlin) Brendemuehl
