Re: OT - Bike Recovered

[John Francis]

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 09:36:03PM +1200, David Mann wrote:
> On Jul 12, 2010, at 1:28 AM, Adam Maas wrote:
> 
> > It can occasionally be a big crime, there was a bike theft case here
> > in Toronto that made international news. Of course it's not everyday
> > the cops catch a guy with a few thousand stolen bikes.
> 
> There was a case here a year or two ago where one of our national 
> track-racing champions had her custom-built bike stolen.
> 
> The publicity and the highly specialised nature of the bike made it 
> impossible, and probably dangerous, to try and sell.  Whoever had taken it 
> dumped it behind a bike shop and it was returned to its rightful owner.

Much the same happened here in the Tour of California.

Lance Armstrong's time trial bike was stolen out of the team van
while it was parked in the hotel parking lot.

After it was pointed out (on television, radio, etc., etc.) that
the bike was unique - hardly a single part of it was a commercially
available piece - and that it would be impossible for any purchaser
to let anybody else see it, and furthermore that no questions would
be asked if the bike were returned promptly, the police received a
phone call telling them where the bike could be picked up.


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Re: OT - Bike Recovered

[mike wilson]

P. J. Alling wrote:

deturing crime  


Does not compute.


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Re: OT - Bike Recovered

[P. J. Alling]

The police are there to keep the peace, deturing crime and actually 
solving crimes and catching perps is secondary and tertiary functions.  
In many cases the tertiary function is entirely forgotten, because 
keeping the peace is paramount.  Though it there's a high speed chase 
involved with a possible risk of life and limb for to the officer and 
the general public there seems to be an exception..


On 7/12/2010 5:27 AM, eckinator wrote:

Can't believe the seller got away with that but I can see it's already
been discussed here at length. Most of all, glad you have your bike
back but too bad about the extras that are gone =(
Cheers
Ecke

2010/7/10 John Celio:
   

A happy ending to my stolen bike saga!

When I reported my bike stolen, the police and others suggested checking out
the local weekly swap meet.  This morning, a friend picked me up early and
we headed over there.  By mistake we ended up missing the parking lot
turn-off and parked in the swap meet area.  By pure luck, we parked two rows
down from a big van that was FULL of bikes, and by even more luck my bike
was one of the two dozen he had pulled out and set up in his stall.

Now, as I mentioned in the original thread, I had never written down the
serial number of my bike, so I couldn't just go claim it.  I called the
police, who showed up and said that if I could identify it as the same one
from the description in my police report, they could probably convince the
seller to turn it over.

The seller was in no mood to cooperate and was very argumentative with me as
I explained every mark and scratch on the bike.  He had stripped off almost
all the accessories I'd put on it, but there were clear distinguishing marks
that I had described on the police report that were still evident.
Eventually one officer pulled him aside, and after a few minutes the officer
came back and told me to take the bike, it was mine.  He later told me he
had asked the seller for his business license or tax info, neither of which
he had.  When the officer said he would be forced to run a check on all the
serial numbers on all the bikes in his van for stolen property, the seller
quickly said he'd let me take the bike if we'd leave, and that was that!

I wish I'd been smart and written down the serial number, because then the
seller might actually be facing criminal charges.  Who knows how many stolen
bikes he's fenced for thieves?  I've resolved to keep a record of every
serial number of every item of value that I have, starting with my bike and
camera equipment, so that the next time this happens I will be better
prepared.  Live and learn!

Thanks for reading,
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Re: OT - Bike Recovered

[David Mann]

On Jul 12, 2010, at 3:55 AM, Bob W wrote:

> why do you need 2 locks? I use just one, and rather than have QR skewers on
> my wheels I use Pinhead skewers.
> 
> 
> My seatpost is safely fused to the seat tube... :o(

I ride a fixed hub so any thief who attempts a quick getaway is going to get an 
entertaining surprise.  It'd be even better if I had the balls to ride 
brakeless.

But even then I either lock it or keep it out of sight.  I can do without the 
inconvenience of having it stolen.

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Re: OT - Bike Recovered

[David Mann]

On Jul 12, 2010, at 1:28 AM, Adam Maas wrote:

> It can occasionally be a big crime, there was a bike theft case here
> in Toronto that made international news. Of course it's not everyday
> the cops catch a guy with a few thousand stolen bikes.

There was a case here a year or two ago where one of our national track-racing 
champions had her custom-built bike stolen.

The publicity and the highly specialised nature of the bike made it impossible, 
and probably dangerous, to try and sell.  Whoever had taken it dumped it behind 
a bike shop and it was returned to its rightful owner.

Dave
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Re: OT - Bike Recovered

[eckinator]

Can't believe the seller got away with that but I can see it's already
been discussed here at length. Most of all, glad you have your bike
back but too bad about the extras that are gone =(
Cheers
Ecke

2010/7/10 John Celio :
> A happy ending to my stolen bike saga!
>
> When I reported my bike stolen, the police and others suggested checking out
> the local weekly swap meet.  This morning, a friend picked me up early and
> we headed over there.  By mistake we ended up missing the parking lot
> turn-off and parked in the swap meet area.  By pure luck, we parked two rows
> down from a big van that was FULL of bikes, and by even more luck my bike
> was one of the two dozen he had pulled out and set up in his stall.
>
> Now, as I mentioned in the original thread, I had never written down the
> serial number of my bike, so I couldn't just go claim it.  I called the
> police, who showed up and said that if I could identify it as the same one
> from the description in my police report, they could probably convince the
> seller to turn it over.
>
> The seller was in no mood to cooperate and was very argumentative with me as
> I explained every mark and scratch on the bike.  He had stripped off almost
> all the accessories I'd put on it, but there were clear distinguishing marks
> that I had described on the police report that were still evident.
> Eventually one officer pulled him aside, and after a few minutes the officer
> came back and told me to take the bike, it was mine.  He later told me he
> had asked the seller for his business license or tax info, neither of which
> he had.  When the officer said he would be forced to run a check on all the
> serial numbers on all the bikes in his van for stolen property, the seller
> quickly said he'd let me take the bike if we'd leave, and that was that!
>
> I wish I'd been smart and written down the serial number, because then the
> seller might actually be facing criminal charges.  Who knows how many stolen
> bikes he's fenced for thieves?  I've resolved to keep a record of every
> serial number of every item of value that I have, starting with my bike and
> camera equipment, so that the next time this happens I will be better
> prepared.  Live and learn!
>
> Thanks for reading,
> John
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Re: OT - Bike Recovered

[Dario Bonazza]

John Sessoms wrote:


From: "Dario Bonazza"

Doug Franklin wrote:

> I liked the way they theft-protected the white Lotus in the James Bond 
> movie "The Spy Who Loved Me" (I think that's the one, anyway).  When a 
> thief broke the window to get in, the whole car blew sky high, taking 
> the perp with it.


That was "For Your Eyes Only", one of my favorite Bond movies.


So how did they do it in "The Spy Who Loved Me"?

You know the car always gets trashed in the Bond movies.


That was the submarine Esprit, damaged but not destroyed then.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_James_Bond_vehicles

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RE: OT - Bike Recovered

[Malcolm Smith]

> Joseph McAllister wrote:

> Ditto. I know I don't have all the receipts, but I started keeping a
> spreadsheet to track what I have starting a few years ago, that was
> actually incomplete when my last gear was stolen. But I still had the
> handwritten inventories  stretching back over 30 years, plus the empty
> boxes, cases, owners manuals etc. that represented that which I had
> stolen

Whenever anything new comes into the house, it is unpacked and photographed
- including the receipt, which I keep but an extra photo of it doesn't hurt.
I also take a close up of the serial number (one of the reasons I want a
decent macro lens, as some of these damn numbers are so small).

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Re: OT - Bike Recovered

[Joseph McAllister]

On Jul 10, 2010, at 14:59 , Cotty wrote:


On 10/7/10, John Celio, discombobulated, unleashed:


When the officer said he would be forced to run a check on all the
serial numbers on all the bikes in his van for stolen property, the  
seller
quickly said he'd let me take the bike if we'd leave, and that was  
that!


Did the police pursue this? In the UK that seller would have been
arrested on suspicion of dealing in stolen property.




Can't give you exact figures, but I read (or heard) that over 10,000  
bikes are stolen a day in the US. Too much time and money on the part  
of the cops to track them down. They will and do follow an informants  
lead that assuredly takes them to an address where a "one man repair  
shop" has hundreds of bikes that come and go in large quantity. Sort  
of like if your unemployed neighbor has dozens of bikes in his garage,  
and another 50-100 in the back yard, and tells you he "fixes them up  
for charity", and buys a new car every few years.


As was the case here in Seattle last year.

Joseph McAllister
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Re: OT - Bike Recovered

[Joseph McAllister]

On Jul 10, 2010, at 11:40 , Bob W wrote:


that's terrific news - nice to hear a happy ending.

I have always kept receipts for valuable goods, although I don't  
know why -

I was never that well organised when I was younger - but it paid off
big-time with the insurance when my Pentax equipment was stolen and  
I had

the receipts for pretty much everything, going back years.

Bob


Ditto. I know I don't have all the receipts, but I started keeping a  
spreadsheet to track what I have starting a few years ago, that was  
actually incomplete when my last gear was stolen. But I still had the  
handwritten inventories  stretching back over 30 years, plus the empty  
boxes, cases, owners manuals etc. that represented that which I had  
stolen. So much stuff that I had no problem convincing insurance  
company representatives. They were probably overwhelmed, as I also  
included a digital panorama of my (temp and humidity controlled)  
basement filled with stacks & stacks of plastic storage tubs  
containing photo gear, telling them that I just couldn't take the time  
of effort to unpack it all. The tubs had transparent sides, so they  
got the idea.  :-)


That $26 a month was well worth the 9 months investment when approx.  
$15,000 worth of gear was stolen from my locked car. Of course,  
feeling guilty, I continue to pay them without fail, as most of the  
gear is still here.


Joseph McAllister
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Re: OT - Bike Recovered

[P. J. Alling]

On 7/11/2010 11:43 AM, Doug Franklin wrote:

On 2010-07-11 11:34, John Celio wrote:


Well, I'm going to start using two U-locks rather than my old system of
one U-lock and one cable lock, and I'm not going to leave my bike out
overnight ever again. It's impossible to make something theft-proof, but
I'm going to make it as difficult for them as I can.


I liked the way they theft-protected the white Lotus in the James Bond 
movie "The Spy Who Loved Me" (I think that's the one, anyway).  When a 
thief broke the window to get in, the whole car blew sky high, taking 
the perp with it.


Aye Laddie, there be no problem in human behavior, that can't be solved, 
with the proper application of high explosives.


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Re: OT - Bike Recovered

[mike wilson]

John Sessoms wrote:


I think there'd be a market for re-makes of the Bond movies as period 
pieces. Film them the way Fleming wrote them, set in 1950s Britain, 
without all the techno-gadgetry extravaganza.


My one serious claim to fame is that I have never watched a Bond film 
all the way through.  I would, however, happily pay money to see someone 
riding a BSA M20 at 90mph, as Fleming once wrote.  That's about double 
the designed terminal velocity and they were scary enough at that.


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RE: OT - Bike Recovered

[Bob W]

[...]
> 
> I think there'd be a market for re-makes of the Bond movies as period
> pieces. Film them the way Fleming wrote them, set in 1950s Britain,
> without all the techno-gadgetry extravaganza.
> 
> I think the stories could stand by themselves.

I agree. I was very pleasantly surprised the first time I read one of them,
and I went on to read them all one after the other. I think they could be
done well as a period piece, but part much of their appeal in Britain in
those days was the pornographic description of consumer desirables
unobtainable in the days of rationing.

Bob


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Re: OT - Bike Recovered

[John Sessoms]

From: "Dario Bonazza"

Doug Franklin wrote:

> I liked the way they theft-protected the white Lotus in the James Bond 
> movie "The Spy Who Loved Me" (I think that's the one, anyway).  When a 
> thief broke the window to get in, the whole car blew sky high, taking 
> the perp with it.


That was "For Your Eyes Only", one of my favorite Bond movies.


So how did they do it in "The Spy Who Loved Me"?

You know the car always gets trashed in the Bond movies.

FWIW, my favorite is the Blower Bentley with the secret compartment 
under the dashboard where Bond keeps his "Long Barrel Colt .45" - but 
that's in the book "Moonraker", not the movies.


I think there'd be a market for re-makes of the Bond movies as period 
pieces. Film them the way Fleming wrote them, set in 1950s Britain, 
without all the techno-gadgetry extravaganza.


I think the stories could stand by themselves.

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Re: OT - Bike Recovered

[John Sessoms]

From: "John Celio"

>> Is he going to recover his peace of mind so he can get full use out of
>> his transportation?


Well, I'm going to start using two U-locks rather than my old system of one 
U-lock and one cable lock, and I'm not going to leave my bike out overnight 
ever again.  It's impossible to make something theft-proof, but I'm going to 
make it as difficult for them as I can.


Yeah, I agree with all that, and like I said, I'm glad you got your bike 
back.


I'm just a little miffed that apparently you're the only one who is 
paying a price. The thieves get off scot-free.


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Re: OT - Bike Recovered

[Dario Bonazza]

Doug Franklin wrote:

I liked the way they theft-protected the white Lotus in the James Bond 
movie "The Spy Who Loved Me" (I think that's the one, anyway).  When a 
thief broke the window to get in, the whole car blew sky high, taking 
the perp with it.


That was "For Your Eyes Only", one of my favorite Bond movies.

Dario

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RE: OT - Bike Recovered

[Bob W]

> > Well, I'm going to start using two U-locks rather than my old system
> of
> > one U-lock and one cable lock, and I'm not going to leave my bike out
> > overnight ever again. It's impossible to make something theft-proof,
> but
> > I'm going to make it as difficult for them as I can.
> 
> I liked the way they theft-protected the white Lotus in the James Bond
> movie "The Spy Who Loved Me" (I think that's the one, anyway).  When a
> thief broke the window to get in, the whole car blew sky high, taking
> the perp with it.

in the 1970s people used to fill bicycle tubes with Semtex and attach them
to railings in Whitehall - similar idea.

B


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[Bob W]

> 
> Well, I'm going to start using two U-locks rather than my old system of
> one
> U-lock and one cable lock, and I'm not going to leave my bike out
> overnight
> ever again.  It's impossible to make something theft-proof, but I'm
> going to
> make it as difficult for them as I can.
> 

why do you need 2 locks? I use just one, and rather than have QR skewers on
my wheels I use Pinhead skewers.


My seatpost is safely fused to the seat tube... :o(




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Re: OT - Bike Recovered

[Doug Franklin]

On 2010-07-11 11:34, John Celio wrote:


Well, I'm going to start using two U-locks rather than my old system of
one U-lock and one cable lock, and I'm not going to leave my bike out
overnight ever again. It's impossible to make something theft-proof, but
I'm going to make it as difficult for them as I can.


I liked the way they theft-protected the white Lotus in the James Bond 
movie "The Spy Who Loved Me" (I think that's the one, anyway).  When a 
thief broke the window to get in, the whole car blew sky high, taking 
the perp with it.


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Re: OT - Bike Recovered

[John Celio]

I'm glad John got his bike back, and to that respect I consider it a
"happy ending", but is he going to be able to recover the accessories
that were stripped off?


He mentioned before that he'd paid by Visa, so maybe they can do 
something.

Otherwise it's the price of not having insurance.


MasterCard, actually (not that it matters much), but I have homeowner's 
insurance too.  It just seemed cheaper and easier to go with the theft 
protection option than pay my deductable.  Now, it only covers purchases for 
90 days, so that means that only the bike and speedometer were covered, but 
yesterday I was able to cannibalize some parts from my old (broken) bike, 
and I also found some old-but-functional accessories (headlight, tire pump) 
in my storage closet amongst my college boxes.  Assuming MasterCard replaces 
my speedometer (a really nice wireless Cat Eye Strada that was about $60), 
the only part I'll have to buy again myself was the rack that was on the 
rear end.  It was a couple years old and I can't find the receipt, so I'm 
S.O.L. on that one.  It wasn't cheap, but I keep telling myself it's better 
than buying everything else again.



Is he going to recover his peace of mind so he can get full use out of
his transportation?


Well, I'm going to start using two U-locks rather than my old system of one 
U-lock and one cable lock, and I'm not going to leave my bike out overnight 
ever again.  It's impossible to make something theft-proof, but I'm going to 
make it as difficult for them as I can.


John

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Re: OT - Bike Recovered

[Adam Maas]

On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Bob W  wrote:
>>
>
> nothing is going to stop people nicking bikes. Realistically, the police are
> never going to prioritise something like this over everything else
> clamouring for their attention and budget. Even when they catch someone it's
> not that big a crime and however much people may talk about stocks,
> pillories and so on the proportionate punishment is never going to be much.
>

It can occasionally be a big crime, there was a bike theft case here
in Toronto that made international news. Of course it's not everyday
the cops catch a guy with a few thousand stolen bikes.

-Adam

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[Bob W]

> I'm glad John got his bike back, and to that respect I consider it a
> "happy ending", but is he going to be able to recover the accessories
> that were stripped off?
> 

He mentioned before that he'd paid by Visa, so maybe they can do something.
Otherwise it's the price of not having insurance.

> Is he going to recover his peace of mind so he can get full use out of
> his transportation?
> 

The way to do that is to be pragmatic about the whole situation. Get
insurance and take adequate precautions - bar-code it, register it with the
police, use a decent lock, always lock it in a very public place among other
bikes, don't have the nicest park in the bike park, don't get too attached
to your bike.

Thieves nick the type of bike they think they can sell quickly, so it's
worthwhile making your bike look undesirable. In the UK this generally means
making it look like the sort of thing old men in day-glo jackets ride. Put a
grotty old Carradice saddlebag on the back, and a basket on the front, and
no self-respected tea-leaf will ever look at it, even if you and a few
aficionados know it's a custom-built Roberts made from Reynolds 853 and
worth £3k.

> He got his bike back, but the thieves still got away with the crime,
> and
> are likely to strike again.
> 

nothing is going to stop people nicking bikes. Realistically, the police are
never going to prioritise something like this over everything else
clamouring for their attention and budget. Even when they catch someone it's
not that big a crime and however much people may talk about stocks,
pillories and so on the proportionate punishment is never going to be much.


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Re: OT - Bike Recovered

[John Sessoms]

I'm glad John got his bike back, and to that respect I consider it a 
"happy ending", but is he going to be able to recover the accessories 
that were stripped off?


Is he going to recover his peace of mind so he can get full use out of 
his transportation?


He got his bike back, but the thieves still got away with the crime, and 
are likely to strike again.


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Re: OT - Bike Recovered

[Madame RD]

maybe  we should revive the pillory for some  of those stolen goods 
sellers ..   so glad your bike is back .

dominique

Le 11/07/10 06:38, P. J. Alling a écrit :


A really happy ending would have involved a public flogging, and time 
spent in the stocks.  But I'm a traditionalist.


On 7/10/2010 10:23 PM, frank theriault wrote:

On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 2:08 PM, John Celio  wrote:

A happy ending to my stolen bike saga!


Yay!

So glad to hear this.  So glad you told us.

Thanks.

cheers,
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RE: OT - Bike Recovered

[Bob W]

For John? Didn't know he was into that sort of thing.

> A really happy ending would have involved a public flogging, and time
> spent in the stocks.  But I'm a traditionalist.
> 
> On 7/10/2010 10:23 PM, frank theriault wrote:
> > On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 2:08 PM, John Celio
> wrote:
> >
> >> A happy ending to my stolen bike saga!



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Re: OT - Bike Recovered

[mike wilson]

P. J. Alling wrote:
A really happy ending would have involved a public flogging, and time 
spent in the stocks.  But I'm a traditionalist.


Another tradition.  Mark!


On 7/10/2010 10:23 PM, frank theriault wrote:


On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 2:08 PM, John Celio  wrote:
  


A happy ending to my stolen bike saga!

 


Yay!

So glad to hear this.  So glad you told us.

Thanks.


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Re: OT - Bike Recovered

[Boris Liberman]

Good news, John. Though the story you tell is just a little bit 
alarming... But then again, that's life. Anyway, it is good that you 
have (most of, as I understand) your property back.


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Re: OT - Bike Recovered

[Sasha Sobol]

Great news!

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On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 10:27 PM, David Mann  wrote:
> On Jul 11, 2010, at 6:08 AM, John Celio wrote:
>
>> A happy ending to my stolen bike saga!
>>
>> When I reported my bike stolen, the police and others suggested checking out 
>> the local weekly swap meet.  This morning, a friend picked me up early and 
>> we headed over there.  By mistake we ended up missing the parking lot 
>> turn-off and parked in the swap meet area.  By pure luck, we parked two rows 
>> down from a big van that was FULL of bikes, and by even more luck my bike 
>> was one of the two dozen he had pulled out and set up in his stall.
>
> That's great news.  It's not often I hear of someone recovering their bike 
> unless it's a really specialist piece of kit that's difficult / risky to sell.
>
> I recommend that you store it out of sight from now on :)
>
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Re: OT - Bike Recovered

[David Mann]

On Jul 11, 2010, at 6:08 AM, John Celio wrote:

> A happy ending to my stolen bike saga!
> 
> When I reported my bike stolen, the police and others suggested checking out 
> the local weekly swap meet.  This morning, a friend picked me up early and we 
> headed over there.  By mistake we ended up missing the parking lot turn-off 
> and parked in the swap meet area.  By pure luck, we parked two rows down from 
> a big van that was FULL of bikes, and by even more luck my bike was one of 
> the two dozen he had pulled out and set up in his stall.

That's great news.  It's not often I hear of someone recovering their bike 
unless it's a really specialist piece of kit that's difficult / risky to sell.

I recommend that you store it out of sight from now on :)

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Re: OT - Bike Recovered

[David Mann]

On Jul 11, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Cotty wrote:

> On 10/7/10, John Celio, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> When the officer said he would be forced to run a check on all the
>> serial numbers on all the bikes in his van for stolen property, the seller
>> quickly said he'd let me take the bike if we'd leave, and that was that!
> 
> Did the police pursue this? In the UK that seller would have been
> arrested on suspicion of dealing in stolen property.

It could be worse for him, they could call in the tax man.

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Re: OT - Bike Recovered

[P. J. Alling]

A really happy ending would have involved a public flogging, and time 
spent in the stocks.  But I'm a traditionalist.


On 7/10/2010 10:23 PM, frank theriault wrote:

On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 2:08 PM, John Celio  wrote:
   

A happy ending to my stolen bike saga!

 

Yay!

So glad to hear this.  So glad you told us.

Thanks.

cheers,
frank

   



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Re: OT - Bike Recovered

[Christine Aguila]

- Original Message - 
From: "John Celio" 

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A happy ending to my stolen bike saga!



Most excellent, John.  Very happy for you. cheers, Christine




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Re: OT - Bike Recovered

[paul stenquist]

What Frank said. A classic happy ending!
Paul
On Jul 10, 2010, at 10:23 PM, frank theriault wrote:

> On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 2:08 PM, John Celio  wrote:
>> A happy ending to my stolen bike saga!
>> 
> 
> Yay!
> 
> So glad to hear this.  So glad you told us.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> cheers,
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[frank theriault]

On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 2:08 PM, John Celio  wrote:
> A happy ending to my stolen bike saga!
>

Yay!

So glad to hear this.  So glad you told us.

Thanks.

cheers,
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Re: OT - Bike Recovered

[John Celio]

When the officer said he would be forced to run a check on all the
serial numbers on all the bikes in his van for stolen property, the seller
quickly said he'd let me take the bike if we'd leave, and that was that!


Did the police pursue this? In the UK that seller would have been
arrested on suspicion of dealing in stolen property.


Well, three cops showed up when I called and at least one was still there 
when I left, so it's possible they did follow up on their threat, or did 
something else to make life difficult for the guy.  I kinda doubt it, 
though.  One of the officers mentioned that there's a lot of stolen property 
that passes through the swap meet and that they had given up on trying to 
clean it up long ago for lack of funding and manpower.  Doesn't give me a 
ton of confidence in them, but at least they're there when someone finds 
their stolen property there.


John

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Re: OT - Bike Recovered

[Paul Sorenson]

Glad to hear that turned out well for you.  It is too bad you couldn't have 
seen criminal charges brought.  Guys like that should be strung up by their 
thumbs.

-p

-Original Message-
>From: John Celio 
>Sent: Jul 10, 2010 1:08 PM
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>
>A happy ending to my stolen bike saga!
>
>When I reported my bike stolen, the police and others suggested checking out 
>the local weekly swap meet.  This morning, a friend picked me up early and 
>we headed over there.  By mistake we ended up missing the parking lot 
>turn-off and parked in the swap meet area.  By pure luck, we parked two rows 
>down from a big van that was FULL of bikes, and by even more luck my bike 
>was one of the two dozen he had pulled out and set up in his stall.
>
>Now, as I mentioned in the original thread, I had never written down the 
>serial number of my bike, so I couldn't just go claim it.  I called the 
>police, who showed up and said that if I could identify it as the same one 
>from the description in my police report, they could probably convince the 
>seller to turn it over.
>
>The seller was in no mood to cooperate and was very argumentative with me as 
>I explained every mark and scratch on the bike.  He had stripped off almost 
>all the accessories I'd put on it, but there were clear distinguishing marks 
>that I had described on the police report that were still evident. 
>Eventually one officer pulled him aside, and after a few minutes the officer 
>came back and told me to take the bike, it was mine.  He later told me he 
>had asked the seller for his business license or tax info, neither of which 
>he had.  When the officer said he would be forced to run a check on all the 
>serial numbers on all the bikes in his van for stolen property, the seller 
>quickly said he'd let me take the bike if we'd leave, and that was that!
>
>I wish I'd been smart and written down the serial number, because then the 
>seller might actually be facing criminal charges.  Who knows how many stolen 
>bikes he's fenced for thieves?  I've resolved to keep a record of every 
>serial number of every item of value that I have, starting with my bike and 
>camera equipment, so that the next time this happens I will be better 
>prepared.  Live and learn!
>
>Thanks for reading,
>John
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Re: OT - Bike Recovered

[Cotty]

On 10/7/10, John Celio, discombobulated, unleashed:

>When the officer said he would be forced to run a check on all the
>serial numbers on all the bikes in his van for stolen property, the seller
>quickly said he'd let me take the bike if we'd leave, and that was that!

Did the police pursue this? In the UK that seller would have been
arrested on suspicion of dealing in stolen property.

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Re: OT - Bike Recovered

[Christine Nielsen]

That's great news!

-c

On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 2:08 PM, John Celio  wrote:
>
> A happy ending to my stolen bike saga!
>
> When I reported my bike stolen, the police and others suggested checking out 
> the local weekly swap meet.  This morning, a friend picked me up early and we 
> headed over there.  By mistake we ended up missing the parking lot turn-off 
> and parked in the swap meet area.  By pure luck, we parked two rows down from 
> a big van that was FULL of bikes, and by even more luck my bike was one of 
> the two dozen he had pulled out and set up in his stall.
>
> Now, as I mentioned in the original thread, I had never written down the 
> serial number of my bike, so I couldn't just go claim it.  I called the 
> police, who showed up and said that if I could identify it as the same one 
> from the description in my police report, they could probably convince the 
> seller to turn it over.
>
> The seller was in no mood to cooperate and was very argumentative with me as 
> I explained every mark and scratch on the bike.  He had stripped off almost 
> all the accessories I'd put on it, but there were clear distinguishing marks 
> that I had described on the police report that were still evident. Eventually 
> one officer pulled him aside, and after a few minutes the officer came back 
> and told me to take the bike, it was mine.  He later told me he had asked the 
> seller for his business license or tax info, neither of which he had.  When 
> the officer said he would be forced to run a check on all the serial numbers 
> on all the bikes in his van for stolen property, the seller quickly said he'd 
> let me take the bike if we'd leave, and that was that!
>
> I wish I'd been smart and written down the serial number, because then the 
> seller might actually be facing criminal charges.  Who knows how many stolen 
> bikes he's fenced for thieves?  I've resolved to keep a record of every 
> serial number of every item of value that I have, starting with my bike and 
> camera equipment, so that the next time this happens I will be better 
> prepared.  Live and learn!
>
> Thanks for reading,
> John
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Re: OT - Bike Recovered

[John Sessoms]

From: Bruce Dayton

so glad it ended well john.  it sucks that the thieves get away with this.


I'm glad he got his bike back, but I'm not surprised the cops didn't 
follow up on obvious criminal activity.


Several years ago, I had a checkbook stolen out of the glove box of my 
car when someone broke into it. I stopped all the checks immediately, 
but the thief still got several forged checks accepted by local merchants.


I had a hassle sending letters and copies of the police report to the 
merchants when they tried to collect on the "bad checks".


For one thing, I learned that many "reputable" merchants will accept a 
check under the most ludicrous circumstances and expect you to make good 
their loss.


I had one where the forger marked through my address AND my driver's 
license number from the front of check, wrote in a different address a 
block down the street from me and signed her own name to the check.


Plus the merchant wrote HER driver's license number on the back of the 
check.


When I got the copy of the check from the Credit Union, I took it down 
to the officer assigned to the case, figuring it might help with the 
investigation.


The cop took one look at it and said, "Oh yeah, that's the crack house."

He then informed it still didn't give them evidence enough to arrest anyone.

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Re: OT - Bike Recovered

[Igor Roshchin]

John,

I am happy to hear your happy story.

What bothers me, however, is that the police officer who was clearly
convinced that it was your stolen bik, didn't actually check the 
rest of the bikes against the database of the stolen bikes (unless
that was a bluff on his part).

Igor

Sat Jul 10 13:08:39 CDT 2010
John Celio wrote:

A happy ending to my stolen bike saga!

When I reported my bike stolen, the police and others suggested checking out 
the local weekly swap meet.  This morning, a friend picked me up early and 
we headed over there.  By mistake we ended up missing the parking lot 
turn-off and parked in the swap meet area.  By pure luck, we parked two rows 
down from a big van that was FULL of bikes, and by even more luck my bike 
was one of the two dozen he had pulled out and set up in his stall.

Now, as I mentioned in the original thread, I had never written down the 
serial number of my bike, so I couldn't just go claim it.  I called the 
police, who showed up and said that if I could identify it as the same one 
from the description in my police report, they could probably convince the 
seller to turn it over.

The seller was in no mood to cooperate and was very argumentative with me as 
I explained every mark and scratch on the bike.  He had stripped off almost 
all the accessories I'd put on it, but there were clear distinguishing marks 
that I had described on the police report that were still evident. 
Eventually one officer pulled him aside, and after a few minutes the officer 
came back and told me to take the bike, it was mine.  He later told me he 
had asked the seller for his business license or tax info, neither of which 
he had.  When the officer said he would be forced to run a check on all the 
serial numbers on all the bikes in his van for stolen property, the seller 
quickly said he'd let me take the bike if we'd leave, and that was that!

I wish I'd been smart and written down the serial number, because then the 
seller might actually be facing criminal charges.  Who knows how many stolen 
bikes he's fenced for thieves?  I've resolved to keep a record of every 
serial number of every item of value that I have, starting with my bike and 
camera equipment, so that the next time this happens I will be better 
prepared.  Live and learn!

Thanks for reading,
John

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Re: OT - Bike Recovered

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Congrats. I'm glad it's been returned.

On Saturday, July 10, 2010, John Celio  wrote:
> A happy ending to my stolen bike saga!
>
> When I reported my bike stolen, the police and others suggested checking out 
> the local weekly swap meet.  This morning, a friend picked me up early and we 
> headed over there.  By mistake we ended up missing the parking lot turn-off 
> and parked in the swap meet area.  By pure luck, we parked two rows down from 
> a big van that was FULL of bikes, and by even more luck my bike was one of 
> the two dozen he had pulled out and set up in his stall.
>
> Now, as I mentioned in the original thread, I had never written down the 
> serial number of my bike, so I couldn't just go claim it.  I called the 
> police, who showed up and said that if I could identify it as the same one 
> from the description in my police report, they could probably convince the 
> seller to turn it over.
>
> The seller was in no mood to cooperate and was very argumentative with me as 
> I explained every mark and scratch on the bike.  He had stripped off almost 
> all the accessories I'd put on it, but there were clear distinguishing marks 
> that I had described on the police report that were still evident. Eventually 
> one officer pulled him aside, and after a few minutes the officer came back 
> and told me to take the bike, it was mine.  He later told me he had asked the 
> seller for his business license or tax info, neither of which he had.  When 
> the officer said he would be forced to run a check on all the serial numbers 
> on all the bikes in his van for stolen property, the seller quickly said he'd 
> let me take the bike if we'd leave, and that was that!
>
> I wish I'd been smart and written down the serial number, because then the 
> seller might actually be facing criminal charges.  Who knows how many stolen 
> bikes he's fenced for thieves?  I've resolved to keep a record of every 
> serial number of every item of value that I have, starting with my bike and 
> camera equipment, so that the next time this happens I will be better 
> prepared.  Live and learn!
>
> Thanks for reading,
> John
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RE: OT - Bike Recovered

[Bob W]

> 
> A happy ending to my stolen bike saga!
> 
[...]
> 
> I wish I'd been smart and written down the serial number, because then
> the
> seller might actually be facing criminal charges.  Who knows how many
> stolen
> bikes he's fenced for thieves?  I've resolved to keep a record of every
> serial number of every item of value that I have, starting with my bike
> and
> camera equipment, so that the next time this happens I will be better
> prepared.  Live and learn!
> 

that's terrific news - nice to hear a happy ending.

I have always kept receipts for valuable goods, although I don't know why -
I was never that well organised when I was younger - but it paid off
big-time with the insurance when my Pentax equipment was stolen and I had
the receipts for pretty much everything, going back years.

Bob


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Re: OT - Bike Recovered

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so glad it ended well john.  it sucks that the thieves get away with this.
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"John Celio"  wrote:

>A happy ending to my stolen bike saga!
>
>When I reported my bike stolen, the police and others suggested checking out 
>the local weekly swap meet.  This morning, a friend picked me up early and 
>we headed over there.  By mistake we ended up missing the parking lot 
>turn-off and parked in the swap meet area.  By pure luck, we parked two rows 
>down from a big van that was FULL of bikes, and by even more luck my bike 
>was one of the two dozen he had pulled out and set up in his stall.
>
>Now, as I mentioned in the original thread, I had never written down the 
>serial number of my bike, so I couldn't just go claim it.  I called the 
>police, who showed up and said that if I could identify it as the same one 
>from the description in my police report, they could probably convince the 
>seller to turn it over.
>
>The seller was in no mood to cooperate and was very argumentative with me as 
>I explained every mark and scratch on the bike.  He had stripped off almost 
>all the accessories I'd put on it, but there were clear distinguishing marks 
>that I had described on the police report that were still evident. 
>Eventually one officer pulled him aside, and after a few minutes the officer 
>came back and told me to take the bike, it was mine.  He later told me he 
>had asked the seller for his business license or tax info, neither of which 
>he had.  When the officer said he would be forced to run a check on all the 
>serial numbers on all the bikes in his van for stolen property, the seller 
>quickly said he'd let me take the bike if we'd leave, and that was that!
>
>I wish I'd been smart and written down the serial number, because then the 
>seller might actually be facing criminal charges.  Who knows how many stolen 
>bikes he's fenced for thieves?  I've resolved to keep a record of every 
>serial number of every item of value that I have, starting with my bike and 
>camera equipment, so that the next time this happens I will be better 
>prepared.  Live and learn!
>
>Thanks for reading,
>John
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