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This link is also quite informative, http://txfx.net/2004/09/11/women-evil/ regards, Anthony Of what use is lens and light to those who lack in mind and sight (Anon) 2009/11/4 Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com: For the men on this list who want to understand women: http://www.bspcn.com/2009/10/02/15-essential-differences-between-men-and-women/ -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Bob W [...] Marnie ;-) (re Trying to be sexy -- in many sexy shots women are doing such trite things they look like parody to me.) Men are generally very simple creatures when it comes to certain things. Mind you, so are women. It's just different things, and different types of trite. Mr. Darcy I'd be leery of any man who says he understands women. He's liable to lie to you about important things as well. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Good answer! (because I agree ;-) -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of frank theriault Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 5:36 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT PESO - NSFW Apparently! On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Desjardins, Steve desjard...@wlu.edu wrote: snip If a gay male photographer objectifies a male model is it sexist? Yes. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:4aef5ed276081822473354! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In a message dated 11/3/2009 3:04:56 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, jsessoms...@nc.rr.com writes: Marnie ;-) (re Trying to be sexy -- in many sexy shots women are doing such trite things they look like parody to me.) Men are generally very simple creatures when it comes to certain things. Mind you, so are women. It's just different things, and different types of trite. Mr. Darcy I'd be leery of any man who says he understands women. He's liable to lie to you about important things as well. == I read it as him saying he THOUGHT he understood women. Which, of course, doesn't mean he DOES. Heh. Marnie - We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Daniel J. Matyola wrote: For the men on this list who want to understand women: http://www.bspcn.com/2009/10/02/15-essential-differences-between-men-and-women/ For the women who want to understand men: http://NutDriver.org/malebrain.gif -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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For the men on this list who want to understand women: http://www.bspcn.com/2009/10/02/15-essential-differences-between-men-and-women/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Daniel J. Matyola Sent: 03 November 2009 20:15 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT PESO - NSFW Apparently! For the men on this list who want to understand women: http://www.bspcn.com/2009/10/02/15-essential-differences-between-men- and-women/ There's also this: http://gallery.bibsen.dk/Funny%20Pictures/Man%20and%20the%20woman.jpg Chris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob W wrote: I don't claim to understand women [...] One of the better known US stand-up comedians, might be Jeff Foxworthy, has a funny bit about how women think men are as complicated as women, and men think women are as simple as men, and both are wrong, whereupon hilarity ensues. :-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Men are generally very simple creatures when it comes to certain things. Mind you, so are women. It's just different things, and different types of trite. Mr. Darcy I'd be leery of any man who says he understands women. He's liable to lie to you about important things as well. I don't claim to understand women but I do think that men overcomplicate them, and women tend to go along with it. Lying is a good example. Men lie to women all the time, and think that women believe them. They don't, but they let men continue with their false belief. For any value of n that men possess in a nth order attribution of false belief, women have n+1. Put more simply, so the little ladies can understand it, women are always one step ahead of men. That's why Elizabeth Bennet always wins, however often you read the damn book, or watch the damn film. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Nov 4, 2009, at 9:14 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: For the men on this list who want to understand women: http://www.bspcn.com/2009/10/02/15-essential-differences-between-men-and-women/ I had this one sent to me the other day. http://www.cracked.com/funny-2422-shoes/ Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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eactiv...@aol.com wrote: I like having sexual objectification on the other foot now and then, just for the sheer unusualness of it. Mark! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2009/11/2 mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com: eactiv...@aol.com wrote: I like having sexual objectification on the other foot now and then, just for the sheer unusualness of it. Mark! Foot fetishists are a weird breed. DS -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Foot fetishists are a weird breed. But they don't hurt a sole. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Cotty wrote: Foot fetishists are a weird breed. But they don't hurt a sole. Only a heel would. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Cotty Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 8:03 AM Subject: Re: OT PESO - NSFW Apparently! Foot fetishists are a weird breed. But they don't hurt a sole. True, but they just don't seem instep with the times. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Nov 2, 2009, at 9:21 AM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Cotty Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 8:03 AM Subject: Re: OT PESO - NSFW Apparently! Foot fetishists are a weird breed. But they don't hurt a sole. True, but they just don't seem instep with the times. But most of them toe the line. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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William Robb wrote: From: Cotty Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 8:03 AM Foot fetishists are a weird breed. But they don't hurt a sole. True, but they just don't seem instep with the times. I consider them my arch enemies. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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paul stenquist wrote: On Nov 2, 2009, at 9:21 AM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Cotty Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 8:03 AM Subject: Re: OT PESO - NSFW Apparently! Foot fetishists are a weird breed. But they don't hurt a sole. True, but they just don't seem instep with the times. But most of them toe the line. Unless they're in a jam. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Cotty Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 8:03 AM Subject: Re: OT PESO - NSFW Apparently! Foot fetishists are a weird breed. But they don't hurt a sole. True, but they just don't seem instep with the times. one has to stay on one's toes to keep up with the posts that degenerate into pun threads ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In a message dated 10/31/2009 2:20:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, ann...@nyc.rr.com writes: This isn't a matter of political correctness in my view either. It bothers me that she looks pregnant, as well. ann Bingo. The pose makes her look pregnant (thrusting her belly forward), and I found that odd. Especially for cheesecake. Thanks, ann. Marnie :-) - We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Ann and Marnie, She's not pregnant, it's just those Canon lenses giving you some distortion. You and Dave all do some shooting with those don't you? :-) Regards, Bo S. On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 9:54 AM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 10/31/2009 2:20:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, ann...@nyc.rr.com writes: This isn't a matter of political correctness in my view either. It bothers me that she looks pregnant, as well. ann Bingo. The pose makes her look pregnant (thrusting her belly forward), and I found that odd. Especially for cheesecake. Thanks, ann. Marnie :-) - We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In a message dated 11/2/2009 8:02:13 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, rf.sulli...@gmail.com writes: Ann and Marnie, She's not pregnant, it's just those Canon lenses giving you some distortion. You and Dave all do some shooting with those don't you? :-) Regards, Bo S. Acturallly, I don't critique cheesecake shots, because, well, they do nothing for me so I have nothing to say about them. But if I were critiquing, I would say Dave had her in an odd pose that made her look pregnant. Or she took an odd pose that made her look pregnant (it was the first thing I thought, that she looked pregnant). Ergo, he missed what he was aiming for. I THINK.. I mean, maybe guys get turned on by sexy pregnant women or pregnant women being sexy or trying to be sexy. What do I know? Marnie ;-) (re Trying to be sexy -- in many sexy shots women are doing such trite things they look like parody to me.) On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 9:54 AM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 10/31/2009 2:20:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, ann...@nyc.rr.com writes: This isn't a matter of political correctness in my view either. It bothers me that she looks pregnant, as well. ann Bingo. The pose makes her look pregnant (thrusting her belly forward), and I found that odd. Especially for cheesecake. Thanks, ann. Marnie :-) - We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Marnie, I was only half joking. My first thought also was she's pregnant. I chaulked it up to lens distortion, perhaps a wide angle too close? Living with my wife thru her 3 pregnancies gives me a perspective. Being pregnant is sexy on an intellectual level - 'I know what you've been doing', but not so much in the 1st and 3rd trimester when she's cranky. Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:08 AM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 11/2/2009 8:02:13 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, rf.sulli...@gmail.com writes: Ann and Marnie, She's not pregnant, it's just those Canon lenses giving you some distortion. You and Dave all do some shooting with those don't you? :-) Regards, Bo S. Acturallly, I don't critique cheesecake shots, because, well, they do nothing for me so I have nothing to say about them. But if I were critiquing, I would say Dave had her in an odd pose that made her look pregnant. Or she took an odd pose that made her look pregnant (it was the first thing I thought, that she looked pregnant). Ergo, he missed what he was aiming for. I THINK.. I mean, maybe guys get turned on by sexy pregnant women or pregnant women being sexy or trying to be sexy. What do I know? Marnie ;-) (re Trying to be sexy -- in many sexy shots women are doing such trite things they look like parody to me.) On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 9:54 AM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 10/31/2009 2:20:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, ann...@nyc.rr.com writes: This isn't a matter of political correctness in my view either. It bothers me that she looks pregnant, as well. ann Bingo. The pose makes her look pregnant (thrusting her belly forward), and I found that odd. Especially for cheesecake. Thanks, ann. Marnie :-) - We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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ann sanfedele wrote: William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Cotty Foot fetishists are a weird breed. But they don't hurt a sole. True, but they just don't seem instep with the times. one has to stay on one's toes to keep up with the posts that degenerate into pun threads On the contrary: I think we need to plantar feet firmly on the ground. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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OTOH, the photographer is also a sexual being who will, typically, find one sex more attractive than the other. The photographer will not be able to completely prevent their own sexual perspective from affecting their reaction/composition for male and female models. My objectification of any model is an unavoidable part of reducing them to an image. The extent to which this is sexism depends on the typical reaction of the viewer. If a gay male photographer objectifies a male model is it sexist? -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of eactiv...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 10:54 PM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT PESO - NSFW Apparently! In a message dated 10/31/2009 11:39:51 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, bruce.wal...@gmail.com writes: Portraying someone as a sexual being first and a person second sounds more like objectification than sexism. And objectification is something we do all the time, especially we photographers. We silhouette people in images and instantly make them objects (shapes, forms). We use shots of random individuals to stand for a general case or symbol -- objects again. == Actually, objectification IS sexist. Sexual objectification anyway. It is ONE of the definitions of sexist/sexism. Just a comment. Not telling Dave not to post. (Though a few more man shots would be good. I like having sexual objectification on the other foot now on then, just for the sheer unusualness of it.) Marnie aka Doe ;-) - We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:4aee58f976082773946649! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Mark Roberts Subject: Re: OT PESO - NSFW Apparently! Foot fetishists are a weird breed. But they don't hurt a sole. True, but they just don't seem instep with the times. one has to stay on one's toes to keep up with the posts that degenerate into pun threads On the contrary: I think we need to plantar feet firmly on the ground. Warts that you say? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Cory Waters cbwat...@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: OT PESO - NSFW Apparently! paul stenquist wrote: On Nov 2, 2009, at 9:21 AM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Cotty Subject: Re: OT PESO - NSFW Apparently! Foot fetishists are a weird breed. But they don't hurt a sole. True, but they just don't seem instep with the times. But most of them toe the line. Unless they're in a jam. I think you nailed it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Foot fetishists are a weird breed. But they don't hurt a sole. True, but they just don't seem instep with the times. I consider them my arch enemies. Just get on the phone ankle them up. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob - that was hitting below the belt! :-) ann Bob Sullivan wrote: Ann and Marnie, She's not pregnant, it's just those Canon lenses giving you some distortion. You and Dave all do some shooting with those don't you? :-) Regards, Bo S. On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 9:54 AM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 10/31/2009 2:20:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, ann...@nyc.rr.com writes: This isn't a matter of political correctness in my view either. It bothers me that she looks pregnant, as well. ann Bingo. The pose makes her look pregnant (thrusting her belly forward), and I found that odd. Especially for cheesecake. Thanks, ann. Marnie :-) - We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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[...] Marnie ;-) (re Trying to be sexy -- in many sexy shots women are doing such trite things they look like parody to me.) Men are generally very simple creatures when it comes to certain things. Mind you, so are women. It's just different things, and different types of trite. Mr. Darcy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Nov 2, 2009, at 08:32 , Mark Roberts wrote: ann sanfedele wrote: William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Cotty Foot fetishists are a weird breed. But they don't hurt a sole. True, but they just don't seem instep with the times. one has to stay on one's toes to keep up with the posts that degenerate into pun threads On the contrary: I think we need to plantar feet firmly on the ground. Another pun thread threatening to fall flat. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com The Big Bang was silent, and probably invisible. — from the Pentaxian's thoughts on particle physics, so far. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In a message dated 11/2/2009 12:38:21 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, p...@web-options.com writes: Men are generally very simple creatures when it comes to certain things. Mind you, so are women. It's just different things, and different types of trite. Mr. Darcy === I kinda figured. Though I think our triteness is less trite than yours. :-) Ms. Bennet - We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Desjardins, Steve desjard...@wlu.edu wrote: snip If a gay male photographer objectifies a male model is it sexist? Yes. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Safety issues, i think not.:-) Great shot, well lit and tasteful in my opionion Dave On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 6:28 PM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote: G'day All, This shot was booted out of one of my Flickr groups for contravening their safe image rules: http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/4046339515/ Direct link (~130kb): http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2723/4046339515_98f01c5b1f_o.jpg I can't understand why. :-) Enjoy. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In a message dated 10/31/2009 11:39:51 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, bruce.wal...@gmail.com writes: Portraying someone as a sexual being first and a person second sounds more like objectification than sexism. And objectification is something we do all the time, especially we photographers. We silhouette people in images and instantly make them objects (shapes, forms). We use shots of random individuals to stand for a general case or symbol -- objects again. == Actually, objectification IS sexist. Sexual objectification anyway. It is ONE of the definitions of sexist/sexism. Just a comment. Not telling Dave not to post. (Though a few more man shots would be good. I like having sexual objectification on the other foot now on then, just for the sheer unusualness of it.) Marnie aka Doe ;-) - We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:38 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Why is it sexist? I think it's mildly erotic and has sexual connotations, but I don't find it demeaning to either sex. If a man opens his shirt and lowers his pants a bit, is that sexist as well? Does something have to be demeaning to be sexist? Portraying someone as a sexual being first and a person second is sexist to me; you may not agree. And, yes, if a man opens his shirt and lowers his pants a bit, I'd say that's sexist, too. That being said, it's clearly not the same thing as what this photo portrays. Society has sexualized mammary glands - sexy though man's chest may or may not be it just isn't the same as a woman's chest. The fact that we see much, much more cheesecake than beefcake - both on this list and in society generally - speaks volumes, doesn't it? Women are portrayed as sexual creatures ~far~ more often than men are. I'm not saying that I'm offended or that such photos ought not be posted (far be it from me to be a censor!), I just find such mild eroticism (as you put it) to be rather needless and somewhat tedious. It's just not my thing, I guess. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My man cans are heaps sexy! On 01/11/2009, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:38 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Why is it sexist? I think it's mildly erotic and has sexual connotations, but I don't find it demeaning to either sex. If a man opens his shirt and lowers his pants a bit, is that sexist as well? Does something have to be demeaning to be sexist? Portraying someone as a sexual being first and a person second is sexist to me; you may not agree. And, yes, if a man opens his shirt and lowers his pants a bit, I'd say that's sexist, too. That being said, it's clearly not the same thing as what this photo portrays. Society has sexualized mammary glands - sexy though man's chest may or may not be it just isn't the same as a woman's chest. The fact that we see much, much more cheesecake than beefcake - both on this list and in society generally - speaks volumes, doesn't it? Women are portrayed as sexual creatures ~far~ more often than men are. I'm not saying that I'm offended or that such photos ought not be posted (far be it from me to be a censor!), I just find such mild eroticism (as you put it) to be rather needless and somewhat tedious. It's just not my thing, I guess. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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frank theriault wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:38 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Why is it sexist? I think it's mildly erotic and has sexual connotations, but I don't find it demeaning to either sex. If a man opens his shirt and lowers his pants a bit, is that sexist as well? Does something have to be demeaning to be sexist? Portraying someone as a sexual being first and a person second is sexist to me; you may not agree. My dictionary just says this for sexist: ``prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex.'' That sounds pretty demeaning to me. Portraying someone as a sexual being first and a person second sounds more like objectification than sexism. And objectification is something we do all the time, especially we photographers. We silhouette people in images and instantly make them objects (shapes, forms). We use shots of random individuals to stand for a general case or symbol -- objects again. I'm not saying that I'm offended or that such photos ought not be posted (far be it from me to be a censor!), I just find such mild eroticism (as you put it) to be rather needless and somewhat tedious. It's just not my thing, I guess. cheers, frank Needless and tedious? I dunno, I think the world would be a much poorer place without the likes of the Venus de Milo, and Rubin's, Dega's, Renoir's and Cezannes nudes. I suppose they could have busied themselves in more productive pursuits, like painting soap ads. :-) -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: My dictionary just says this for sexist: ``prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex.'' That sounds pretty demeaning to me. That's one definition. Another is ...attitudes, conditions, or behaviors that promote stereotyping of social roles based on gender. I'd say that cheesecake (or beefcake for that matter) stereotypes social roles based on gender and is thus sexist. Portraying someone as a sexual being first and a person second sounds more like objectification than sexism. And objectification is something we do all the time, especially we photographers. We silhouette people in images and instantly make them objects (shapes, forms). We use shots of random individuals to stand for a general case or symbol -- objects again. Yup, art objectifies. That's pretty much what art does. However another definition of objectification is to externalize, and in the case we're discussing here, we're much more interested in what the model's wearing (or not wearing) and in her physical attributes than we are in knowing who she really is, what she's really like or her place in the world. We've objectified her because quite frankly all we're concerned about is that she's got a hot bod, and is wearing few clothes in a titillating way. That's not the same as taking a photograph or sculpting a likeness of someone or objectifying them in some such artistic way. Needless and tedious? I dunno, I think the world would be a much poorer place without the likes of the Venus de Milo, and Rubin's, Dega's, Renoir's and Cezannes nudes. I don't see nudes to which you refer as erotic or titillating. I don't see them as cheesecake or beefcake (in the case of Michaelangelo's David or The Thinker). They delve into who we are, who we perceive that we are, our place in the world.If you don't see or feel the difference between those studies and a tits and ass photo, then there's not much use in continuing this discussion. I suppose they could have busied themselves in more productive pursuits, like painting soap ads. Hey, they were commercial artists and likely would have done what their patrons paid them to do. :-) Smiley duly noted, and returned in kind: ;-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I didn't see Savage's photo as demeaning in any way. The model was an attractive lady and was presented as such. The rendering and pose were artful. Is it wrong to enjoy the beauty of her figure? Many take pleasure in a beautiful face and nice hair. Should she cover those as well? She apparently chose how she wanted to be portrayed. Should we deny her that freedom of expression? Political correctness is out of control. Paul On Oct 31, 2009, at 4:05 PM, frank theriault wrote: On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: My dictionary just says this for sexist: ``prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex.'' That sounds pretty demeaning to me. That's one definition. Another is ...attitudes, conditions, or behaviors that promote stereotyping of social roles based on gender. I'd say that cheesecake (or beefcake for that matter) stereotypes social roles based on gender and is thus sexist. Portraying someone as a sexual being first and a person second sounds more like objectification than sexism. And objectification is something we do all the time, especially we photographers. We silhouette people in images and instantly make them objects (shapes, forms). We use shots of random individuals to stand for a general case or symbol -- objects again. Yup, art objectifies. That's pretty much what art does. However another definition of objectification is to externalize, and in the case we're discussing here, we're much more interested in what the model's wearing (or not wearing) and in her physical attributes than we are in knowing who she really is, what she's really like or her place in the world. We've objectified her because quite frankly all we're concerned about is that she's got a hot bod, and is wearing few clothes in a titillating way. That's not the same as taking a photograph or sculpting a likeness of someone or objectifying them in some such artistic way. Needless and tedious? I dunno, I think the world would be a much poorer place without the likes of the Venus de Milo, and Rubin's, Dega's, Renoir's and Cezannes nudes. I don't see nudes to which you refer as erotic or titillating. I don't see them as cheesecake or beefcake (in the case of Michaelangelo's David or The Thinker). They delve into who we are, who we perceive that we are, our place in the world.If you don't see or feel the difference between those studies and a tits and ass photo, then there's not much use in continuing this discussion. I suppose they could have busied themselves in more productive pursuits, like painting soap ads. Hey, they were commercial artists and likely would have done what their patrons paid them to do. :-) Smiley duly noted, and returned in kind: ;-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 4:10 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I didn't see Savage's photo as demeaning in any way. The model was an attractive lady and was presented as such. The rendering and pose were artful. Is it wrong to enjoy the beauty of her figure? Many take pleasure in a beautiful face and nice hair. Should she cover those as well? She apparently chose how she wanted to be portrayed. Should we deny her that freedom of expression? Political correctness is out of control. Paul, Please read what I said. I didn't use the word demeaning, Bruce did (in response to my post). I said it was sexist. I didn't say it was wrong or bad (although I do have opinions in that regard which I'll not get into). I didn't say that you shouldn't enjoy it. I didn't say that David (or anyone else) shouldn't post it. As a matter of fact, if you go back two posts I ~very specifically~ said: I'm not saying that I'm offended or that such photos ought not be posted (far be it from me to be a censor!)... I said that it isn't my thing, but I didn't try to say what anyone else should or shouldn't like or post. As for your argument that because we don't cover beautiful hair or faces and therefore we ought not cover cover beautiful bodies, well, I'm not the one who says that we can't walk about in public without clothes. You know very well that the issue isn't beauty, it's about what society says is obscene or lewd. I'm no prude, but I try to be sensitive to certain issues - including the fact that women have been objectified and portrayed in ways that men rarely are. I don't like it when it involves men, but due to our history, I'm much more sensitive when it happens to women. This isn't about Political Correctness - I'm just articulating my opinion. You're entitled to yours, and I think no more or less of anyone whose opinion isn't in accords with mine - including you and all my friends on this list. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Sexist has negative implications. And to describe an artful photo like the one Savage presented as sexist is political correctness run amok. But that's my opinion, and you are entitled to yours. No offense, I still love you:-)!Paul On Oct 31, 2009, at 4:27 PM, frank theriault wrote: On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 4:10 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I didn't see Savage's photo as demeaning in any way. The model was an attractive lady and was presented as such. The rendering and pose were artful. Is it wrong to enjoy the beauty of her figure? Many take pleasure in a beautiful face and nice hair. Should she cover those as well? She apparently chose how she wanted to be portrayed. Should we deny her that freedom of expression? Political correctness is out of control. Paul, Please read what I said. I didn't use the word demeaning, Bruce did (in response to my post). I said it was sexist. I didn't say it was wrong or bad (although I do have opinions in that regard which I'll not get into). I didn't say that you shouldn't enjoy it. I didn't say that David (or anyone else) shouldn't post it. As a matter of fact, if you go back two posts I ~very specifically~ said: I'm not saying that I'm offended or that such photos ought not be posted (far be it from me to be a censor!)... I said that it isn't my thing, but I didn't try to say what anyone else should or shouldn't like or post. As for your argument that because we don't cover beautiful hair or faces and therefore we ought not cover cover beautiful bodies, well, I'm not the one who says that we can't walk about in public without clothes. You know very well that the issue isn't beauty, it's about what society says is obscene or lewd. I'm no prude, but I try to be sensitive to certain issues - including the fact that women have been objectified and portrayed in ways that men rarely are. I don't like it when it involves men, but due to our history, I'm much more sensitive when it happens to women. This isn't about Political Correctness - I'm just articulating my opinion. You're entitled to yours, and I think no more or less of anyone whose opinion isn't in accords with mine - including you and all my friends on this list. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 5:46 PM, P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Sexist has negative implications. And to describe an artful photo like the one Savage presented as sexist is political correctness run amok. But that's my opinion, and you are entitled to yours. Political correctness run amok? Calling a photo of a scantily clad young lady sexist is political correctness run amok? Okay... ;-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Oct 31, 2009, at 5:59 PM, frank theriault wrote: On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 5:46 PM, P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Sexist has negative implications. And to describe an artful photo like the one Savage presented as sexist is political correctness run amok. But that's my opinion, and you are entitled to yours. Political correctness run amok? Calling a photo of a scantily clad young lady sexist is political correctness run amok? Okay... I'm glad you agree! Paul ;-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 6:09 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I'm glad you agree! Cheers to that, buddy. The only way we'll resolve this is at a beer summit. Maybe if I make it to Chi-town for that pdml thingie we'll discuss it over a cold one. Until then, I think we've mined this enough... ;-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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well I wrote David off list but I can't resist commenting here... Frankly, I don't like the photo on any level... but if David shot it for a very specific reason for the model, that's a different thing. The plain fact is I'm guessing that the reason it got booted or refused or whatever was because her hands were too close to her yoni - in combination with her provacative come hither look ( the puns will start now)... I have a friend who sells what you might call artistic nudes and a bit of explicit stuff as well and even under the qualification of adult verification required listings the absolutely forbidden content is hands on anything um down there This isn't a matter of political correctness in my view either. It bothers me that she looks pregnant, as well. ann P N Stenquist wrote: Sexist has negative implications. And to describe an artful photo like the one Savage presented as sexist is political correctness run amok. But that's my opinion, and you are entitled to yours. No offense, I still love you:-)!Paul On Oct 31, 2009, at 4:27 PM, frank theriault wrote: On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 4:10 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I didn't see Savage's photo as demeaning in any way. The model was an attractive lady and was presented as such. The rendering and pose were artful. Is it wrong to enjoy the beauty of her figure? Many take pleasure in a beautiful face and nice hair. Should she cover those as well? She apparently chose how she wanted to be portrayed. Should we deny her that freedom of expression? Political correctness is out of control. Paul, Please read what I said. I didn't use the word demeaning, Bruce did (in response to my post). I said it was sexist. I didn't say it was wrong or bad (although I do have opinions in that regard which I'll not get into). I didn't say that you shouldn't enjoy it. I didn't say that David (or anyone else) shouldn't post it. As a matter of fact, if you go back two posts I ~very specifically~ said: I'm not saying that I'm offended or that such photos ought not be posted (far be it from me to be a censor!)... I said that it isn't my thing, but I didn't try to say what anyone else should or shouldn't like or post. As for your argument that because we don't cover beautiful hair or faces and therefore we ought not cover cover beautiful bodies, well, I'm not the one who says that we can't walk about in public without clothes. You know very well that the issue isn't beauty, it's about what society says is obscene or lewd. I'm no prude, but I try to be sensitive to certain issues - including the fact that women have been objectified and portrayed in ways that men rarely are. I don't like it when it involves men, but due to our history, I'm much more sensitive when it happens to women. This isn't about Political Correctness - I'm just articulating my opinion. You're entitled to yours, and I think no more or less of anyone whose opinion isn't in accords with mine - including you and all my friends on this list. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2009-10-31 15:46 , P N Stenquist wrote: Sexist has negative implications. And to describe an artful photo like the one Savage presented as sexist is political correctness run amok. But that's my opinion, and you are entitled to yours. i'm with Frank here; who says artful and sexist must be mutually exclusive? could such a photo only be sexist if it were poorly executed? when you describe Frank's thoughtful and carefully contextualized critical opinion as PC run amok, you yourself loudly seek to generate disapproval; in that sense, yours is the statement that seems PC -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Oct 31, 2009, at 6:26 PM, steve harley wrote: On 2009-10-31 15:46 , P N Stenquist wrote: Sexist has negative implications. And to describe an artful photo like the one Savage presented as sexist is political correctness run amok. But that's my opinion, and you are entitled to yours. i'm with Frank here; who says artful and sexist must be mutually exclusive? could such a photo only be sexist if it were poorly executed? when you describe Frank's thoughtful and carefully contextualized critical opinion as PC run amok, you yourself loudly seek to generate disapproval; in that sense, yours is the statement that seems PC Now that's twisted! But I've had my say here. No more. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: frank theriault On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 5:46 PM, P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Sexist has negative implications. And to describe an artful photo like the one Savage presented as sexist is political correctness run amok. But that's my opinion, and you are entitled to yours. Political correctness run amok? Calling a photo of a scantily clad young lady sexist is political correctness run amok? Okay... ;-) I'd say it depends on the situation when the photo was taken. As I understand it, the young lady in question was there specifically to have her scantily clad photo taken. And was happy to do so. Calling it sexist is inappropriate. Not perhaps political correctness run amok, but certainly an undeserved pejorative. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: ann sanfedele well I wrote David off list but I can't resist commenting here... Frankly, I don't like the photo on any level... but if David shot it for a very specific reason for the model, that's a different thing. The plain fact is I'm guessing that the reason it got booted or refused or whatever was because her hands were too close to her yoni - in combination with her provacative come hither look ( the puns will start now)... I understood him that it only got booted from a single group. Not that it was a bad photo, but that it didn't fit in with what that particular group's moderator thought should be in there. The photo is still in David's photo-stream and could be in other groups as well. Her hands are no closer to anything than if she'd been wearing Daisy Dukes and jammed them in the pockets. I have a friend who sells what you might call artistic nudes and a bit of explicit stuff as well and even under the qualification of adult verification required listings the absolutely forbidden content is hands on anything um down there This isn't a matter of political correctness in my view either. It bothers me that she looks pregnant, as well. The nude/semi-nude big pregnant belly is a major seller now-a-days, although it's usually shot more from the side. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 26/10/09, paul stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: If a man opens his shirt and lowers his pants a bit, is that sexist as well? If I did it, there would be an uprising. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2009/10/28 Cotty cotty...@mac.com: On 26/10/09, paul stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: If a man opens his shirt and lowers his pants a bit, is that sexist as well? If I did it, there would be an uprising. Don't take the little blue pill beforehand. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Cotty wrote: On 26/10/09, paul stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: If a man opens his shirt and lowers his pants a bit, is that sexist as well? If I did it, there would be an uprising. Speak for yourself! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 07:28:44AM +0800, David Savage wrote: G'day All, This shot was booted out of one of my Flickr groups for contravening their safe image rules: http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/4046339515/ Direct link (~130kb): http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2723/4046339515_98f01c5b1f_o.jpg I can't understand why. :-) Because someone at flickr has a rectally implanted cellulose based posture enhancement device? -- The first step is learning to take great photos, the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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LMAO. At my age it would just be appalling. Why is it sexist? I think it's mildly erotic and has sexual connotations, but I don't find it demeaning to either sex. If a man opens his shirt and lowers his pants a bit, is that sexist as well? Paul Heck, I'd think he'd just finished Thanksgiving dinner... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Oct 26, 2009, at 18:28, David Savage wrote: G'day All, This shot was booted out of one of my Flickr groups for contravening their safe image rules: http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/4046339515/ You can keep these OT PESOs coming any time you like, David. Thank you! -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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...glove??? what glove??? ;-) lf paul stenquist escreveu: On Oct 26, 2009, at 9:01 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: David Savage Subject: OT PESO - NSFW Apparently! G'day All, This shot was booted out of one of my Flickr groups for contravening their safe image rules: http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/4046339515/ Direct link (~130kb): http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2723/4046339515_98f01c5b1f_o.jpg I can't understand why. :-) The lighting is obscene. Seriously though, I'd have probably shot it a little softer, but I like what you've done. The glove kinda weirds me out. That's her bowling glove. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 11:02:00AM -0500, Charles Robinson wrote: On Oct 26, 2009, at 18:28, David Savage wrote: G'day All, This shot was booted out of one of my Flickr groups for contravening their safe image rules: http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/4046339515/ You can keep these OT PESOs coming any time you like, David. Thank you! I agree. I enjoy keeping abreast of your work. -- The first step is learning to take great photos, the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT PESO - NSFW Apparently!
G'day All, This shot was booted out of one of my Flickr groups for contravening their safe image rules: http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/4046339515/ Direct link (~130kb): http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2723/4046339515_98f01c5b1f_o.jpg I can't understand why. :-) Enjoy. Probably because it encourages piracy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Probably because it encourages piracy Aaaar, mateys! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 7:28 PM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote: G'day All, This shot was booted out of one of my Flickr groups for contravening their safe image rules: http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/4046339515/ Direct link (~130kb): http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2723/4046339515_98f01c5b1f_o.jpg I can't understand why. Me neither. I don't see any safety issues, other than the drool on my keyboard may not be good for the computer. Sexist content aside, it's a very good photo. cheers, PC frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT PESO - NSFW Apparently!
- Original Message - From: David Savage Subject: OT PESO - NSFW Apparently! G'day All, This shot was booted out of one of my Flickr groups for contravening their safe image rules: http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/4046339515/ Direct link (~130kb): http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2723/4046339515_98f01c5b1f_o.jpg I can't understand why. :-) The lighting is obscene. Seriously though, I'd have probably shot it a little softer, but I like what you've done. The glove kinda weirds me out. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Really? That's ridiculous. You can post it on photo.net. Excellent shot. I like the light and the look. Paul Paul On Oct 26, 2009, at 7:28 PM, David Savage wrote: G'day All, This shot was booted out of one of my Flickr groups for contravening their safe image rules: http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/4046339515/ Direct link (~130kb): http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2723/4046339515_98f01c5b1f_o.jpg I can't understand why. :-) Enjoy. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Oct 26, 2009, at 8:51 PM, frank theriault wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 7:28 PM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote: G'day All, This shot was booted out of one of my Flickr groups for contravening their safe image rules: http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/4046339515/ Direct link (~130kb): http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2723/4046339515_98f01c5b1f_o.jpg I can't understand why. Me neither. I don't see any safety issues, other than the drool on my keyboard may not be good for the computer. Sexist content aside, it's a very good photo. Why is it sexist? I think it's mildly erotic and has sexual connotations, but I don't find it demeaning to either sex. If a man opens his shirt and lowers his pants a bit, is that sexist as well? Paul cheers, PC frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Oct 26, 2009, at 9:01 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: David Savage Subject: OT PESO - NSFW Apparently! G'day All, This shot was booted out of one of my Flickr groups for contravening their safe image rules: http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/4046339515/ Direct link (~130kb): http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2723/4046339515_98f01c5b1f_o.jpg I can't understand why. :-) The lighting is obscene. Seriously though, I'd have probably shot it a little softer, but I like what you've done. The glove kinda weirds me out. That's her bowling glove. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Why is it sexist? I think it's mildly erotic and has sexual connotations, but I don't find it demeaning to either sex. If a man opens his shirt and lowers his pants a bit, is that sexist as well? Paul Heck, I'd think he'd just finished Thanksgiving dinner... paul stenquist wrote: On Oct 26, 2009, at 8:51 PM, frank theriault wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 7:28 PM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote: G'day All, This shot was booted out of one of my Flickr groups for contravening their safe image rules: http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/4046339515/ Direct link (~130kb): http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2723/4046339515_98f01c5b1f_o.jpg I can't understand why. Me neither. I don't see any safety issues, other than the drool on my keyboard may not be good for the computer. Sexist content aside, it's a very good photo. Why is it sexist? I think it's mildly erotic and has sexual connotations, but I don't find it demeaning to either sex. If a man opens his shirt and lowers his pants a bit, is that sexist as well? Paul cheers, PC frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
