Re: PAW: Window Washers
The flip comment would be: "As well you should!" But on reflection I have to ask why. It's not at all bad. Not enough Camera movement? (I couldn't resist I'm sorry). frank theriault wrote: I despise this photo: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2457638 But I'm posting it anyway. Comments are always welcome. cheers, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer _ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
RE: PAW: Window Washers
You've every reason to dislike it, Frank, although I do think despise may be a little over reactive ;-)) First, it's a cliche subject. Every jamoke with a long lens has something like this in their portfolio. There's nothing new or innovative here, and, imo, you choice of focal length is all wrong for this scene. Longer or shorter could have given you a photo with more impact. OK, first, the relationship between the two washers and the frame is all wrong. You missed the moment,as it were, at least with the framing and crop the way it is now. There's at least two, and possibly three nice geometric (if that's the right word) patterns possible in this shot, and you've missed them all. The converging perspective of the vertical takes away from the potential strength of the photo. Yeah, I know, that's what happens when you shoot "up" and that's, in part, why I suggested that the focal length is wrong for this shot. A wider lens, encompassing more of the building and held at the proper angle might have done a better job with the perspective thing, as would have a longer lens. You'd have photos similar to this in terms of subject and story, but with a different and, Imo, better perspective. Sorry, Frank, this one just doesn't make it. Shel > [Original Message] > From: frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 6/20/2004 4:24:59 AM > Subject: PAW: Window Washers > > I despise this photo: > > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2457638 > > But I'm posting it anyway. Comments are always welcome.
RE: PAW: Window Washers
Shel, When I took it (I actually took about 4 or 5 frames), I thought, "hey, this may be cool". I got the contact back, and thought, "hey, this is cool". I got the 8x10 back, and thought, "Wow, this is bad". But, I thought, "What the hell, I paid for the 8x10, I'll post it as a PAW anyway, just to see what others think." You've confirmed my opinion, for which I thank you. I guess my powers of self-critique are still intact (sometimes one has to check these things). cheers, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: PAW: Window Washers Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 08:23:07 -0700 You've every reason to dislike it, Frank, although I do think despise may be a little over reactive ;-)) First, it's a cliche subject. Every jamoke with a long lens has something like this in their portfolio. There's nothing new or innovative here, and, imo, you choice of focal length is all wrong for this scene. Longer or shorter could have given you a photo with more impact. OK, first, the relationship between the two washers and the frame is all wrong. You missed the moment,as it were, at least with the framing and crop the way it is now. There's at least two, and possibly three nice geometric (if that's the right word) patterns possible in this shot, and you've missed them all. The converging perspective of the vertical takes away from the potential strength of the photo. Yeah, I know, that's what happens when you shoot "up" and that's, in part, why I suggested that the focal length is wrong for this shot. A wider lens, encompassing more of the building and held at the proper angle might have done a better job with the perspective thing, as would have a longer lens. You'd have photos similar to this in terms of subject and story, but with a different and, Imo, better perspective. Sorry, Frank, this one just doesn't make it. Shel > [Original Message] > From: frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 6/20/2004 4:24:59 AM > Subject: PAW: Window Washers > > I despise this photo: > > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2457638 > > But I'm posting it anyway. Comments are always welcome. _ STOP MORE SPAM with the MSN Premium and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: PAW: Window Washers
SB> Sorry, Frank, this one just doesn't make it. Sometimes it's better to know why it doesn't make it, like you wrote, than just knowing it makes it :) Nice critique Shel! I have enough of similar shots which would have benefited from more thinking. fra
Re: PAW: Window Washers
I suppose I don't hate it, but I just don't much like it is all. As I said somewhere else (can't remember if it was a post or off-list banter), I thought as I was taking it that it was a cool shot. I looked at the contacts (shot about 4 or 5 as these guys descended), and thought I liked it. But, when I blew it up, it just didn't do much for me. I think as Shel said, I should either be closer to these guys (to get in on the "work action"), or be farther away (to get a better sense of perspective; small guys on a big building and all...). I just wasn't happy with it. I suppose it's not a bad shot, just not a good one. Live and learn. But, my personal policy is that when I blow something up for PAW, I post it, like it or not. So I did. Next week will be better. Thanks for you comments. cheers, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: "Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PAW: Window Washers Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 07:47:39 -0400 The flip comment would be: "As well you should!" But on reflection I have to ask why. It's not at all bad. Not enough Camera movement? (I couldn't resist I'm sorry). frank theriault wrote: I despise this photo: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2457638 But I'm posting it anyway. Comments are always welcome. cheers, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer _ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines _ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: PAW: Window Washers
Looking forward to your next! Frantisek
Re: PAW: Window Washers
HAR!! Touche, Frantisek! I'm poring over contacts this very evening. No dogs next time, I assure you! cheers, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Frantisek Vlcek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: PAW: Window Washers Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:31:47 +0200 Looking forward to your next! Frantisek _ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee® Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
