Re: PESO: Struggling Pine

2012-06-06 Thread Jack Davis
Thanks, Dan!
I, also, believe (due to the failure of a couple recent submissions) that the 
standards may have been tweaked upward in recent weeks.
I recently took down a two or three offerings that I had submitted primarily 
for their influence on the count. No doubt encouraged by the apparent ease of 
acceptance at that time.
Ok with me. It may force me to stiffen my standards.

Jack Davis
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- Original Message -
From: Daniel J. Matyola 
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Subject: Re: PESO: Struggling Pine

Jack:

I agree that the standards of the PPG voters appeared to be a bit
lower shortly after the gallery was restarted.  I find, however, that
the standards seem to be a lot higher the last three weeks, at least
judging my hje percentage of my submissions that have been accepted.
They still, however, seem more favorably disposed towards flower
macros than the other types of images that I have submitted.

I really like your struggling pine image, and I hope that you keep
struggling, like your pine, to get it into the PPG.  It belongs there.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> Yeah, I had some personal "doo-doo" accepted last year. I really can't 
> complain and maybe I should feel a wee bit guilty for submitting some 
> especially smelly stuff that got accepted. Seems to me the standards for 
> acceptance have been lowered and I've been taking advantage of it.
> Submit a few more, Frank. Hopefully I'm wrong and the voters have matured 
> somewhat since you left.
> My sense is that your image posts deserve and receive more glowing comments 
> from PDML members than most
>
> Seriously, thanks for your generous comments, Frank!
>
> Jack

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Re: PESO: Struggling Pine

2012-06-06 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Jack:

I agree that the standards of the PPG voters appeared to be a bit
lower shortly after the gallery was restarted.  I find, however, that
the standards seem to be a lot higher the last three weeks, at least
judging my hje percentage of my submissions that have been accepted.
They still, however, seem more favorably disposed towards flower
macros than the other types of images that I have submitted.

I really like your struggling pine image, and I hope that you keep
struggling, like your pine, to get it into the PPG.  It belongs there.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> Yeah, I had some personal "doo-doo" accepted last year. I really can't 
> complain and maybe I should feel a wee bit guilty for submitting some 
> especially smelly stuff that got accepted. Seems to me the standards for 
> acceptance have been lowered and I've been taking advantage of it.
> Submit a few more, Frank. Hopefully I'm wrong and the voters have matured 
> somewhat since you left.
> My sense is that your image posts deserve and receive more glowing comments 
> from PDML members than most
>
> Seriously, thanks for your generous comments, Frank!
>
> Jack

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Re: PESO: Struggling Pine

2012-06-04 Thread Jack Davis
Thanks, Brian! 
>From time to time I've wondered what became of it.

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- Original Message -
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Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: PESO: Struggling Pine


Quoting Jack Davis :

> Shot near the crest of a high pass through which you 
> enter the eastern gate to Yellowstone NP.
> A few years ago a person bought a framed print of this from 
> a retail display at a local photo shop. A few days later she 
> was back declaring it "positively spiritual" and bought a second copy 
> for a friend.
>  
> It was just "declined" by PPG
> .
>  
> Comments?
>  
> Jack
>  
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=645



No so much 'struggling' as making the best of an unfortunate choice in 
location.  It would be interesting to see it in a few years - it looks like the 
trunk will need to undergo a sharp turn.

Excellent photo - I would have given it a 'thumbs up' had it appeared while I 
was voting.



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Re: PESO: Struggling Pine

2012-06-04 Thread Jack Davis
It appeared to be somewhat crowded at the base. Also, it seemed shy of limbs 
for it's height. May be a moisture thing.
In due time, I imagine it will have to bend upon contact the granite rock face.

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- Original Message -
From: steve harley 
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Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: PESO: Struggling Pine

on 2012-06-04 9:05 Jack Davis wrote
> Shot near the crest of a high pass through which you enter the eastern gate 
> to Yellowstone NP.
> A few years ago a person bought a framed print of this from a retail display 
> at a local photo shop. A few days later she was back declaring it "positively 
> spiritual" and bought a second copy for a friend.
>
> It was just "declined" by PPG
> .
>
> Comments?
>
> Jack
>
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=645

i like this photo but it feels a little flat to me, and i don't see the 
struggle — it seems to be thriving under the shelter of what seems to be (have 
to infer from the shadows) an overhang; is it bending already, or is it still 
vertical, can't tell

i do like the red mark, and i think i'd like the same scene with no tree too

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Re: PESO: Struggling Pine

2012-06-04 Thread steve harley

on 2012-06-04 9:05 Jack Davis wrote

Shot near the crest of a high pass through which you enter the eastern gate to 
Yellowstone NP.
A few years ago a person bought a framed print of this from a retail display at a local 
photo shop. A few days later she was back declaring it "positively spiritual" 
and bought a second copy for a friend.

It was just "declined" by PPG
.

Comments?

Jack

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i like this photo but it feels a little flat to me, and i don't see the 
struggle — it seems to be thriving under the shelter of what seems to be (have 
to infer from the shadows) an overhang; is it bending already, or is it still 
vertical, can't tell


i do like the red mark, and i think i'd like the same scene with no tree too

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Re: PESO: Struggling Pine

2012-06-04 Thread Brian Walters


Quoting Jack Davis :

Shot near the crest of a high pass through which you  
enter the eastern gate to Yellowstone NP.
A few years ago a person bought a framed print of  
this from a retail display at a local photo shop.  
A few days later she was back declaring it "positively  
spiritual" and bought a second copy for a friend.

 
It was just "declined" by PPG
.
 
Comments?
 
Jack
 
http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=645




No so much 'struggling' as making the best of an unfortunate choice in  
location.  It would be interesting to see it in a few years - it looks  
like the trunk will need to undergo a sharp turn.


Excellent photo - I would have given it a 'thumbs up' had it appeared  
while I was voting.




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Re: PESO: Struggling Pine

2012-06-04 Thread Jack Davis
Appreciated words, Dave! Thanks!


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- Original Message -
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Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: PESO: Struggling Pine

Very nice i like the texture and composition here.

Dave

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> Shot near the crest of a high pass through which you enter the eastern gate 
> to Yellowstone NP.
> A few years ago a person bought a framed print of this from a retail display 
> at a local photo shop. A few days later she was back declaring it "positively 
> spiritual" and bought a second copy for a friend.
>
> It was just "declined" by PPG
> .
>
> Comments?
>
> Jack
>
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=645
>
> Jack Davis
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Re: PESO: Struggling Pine

2012-06-04 Thread David J Brooks
Very nice i like the texture and composition here.

Dave

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> Shot near the crest of a high pass through which you enter the eastern gate 
> to Yellowstone NP.
> A few years ago a person bought a framed print of this from a retail display 
> at a local photo shop. A few days later she was back declaring it "positively 
> spiritual" and bought a second copy for a friend.
>
> It was just "declined" by PPG
> .
>
> Comments?
>
> Jack
>
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=645
>
> Jack Davis
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Re: PESO: Struggling Pine

2012-06-04 Thread Jack Davis
Very much appreciated comments, Paul!

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- Original Message -
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Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: PESO: Struggling Pine

I like it very much. It tells a story quite eloquently, and it's very nicely 
rendered. 

Paul


On Jun 4, 2012, at 11:05 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

> Shot near the crest of a high pass through which you enter the eastern gate 
> to Yellowstone NP.
> A few years ago a person bought a framed print of this from a retail display 
> at a local photo shop. A few days later she was back declaring it "positively 
> spiritual" and bought a second copy for a friend.
>  
> It was just "declined" by PPG
> .
>  
> Comments?
>  
> Jack
>  
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=645
> 
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Re: PESO: Struggling Pine

2012-06-04 Thread Paul Stenquist
I like it very much. It tells a story quite eloquently, and it's very nicely 
rendered. 

Paul


On Jun 4, 2012, at 11:05 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

> Shot near the crest of a high pass through which you enter the eastern gate 
> to Yellowstone NP.
> A few years ago a person bought a framed print of this from a retail display 
> at a local photo shop. A few days later she was back declaring it "positively 
> spiritual" and bought a second copy for a friend.
>  
> It was just "declined" by PPG
> .
>  
> Comments?
>  
> Jack
>  
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=645
> 
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Re: PESO: Struggling Pine

2012-06-04 Thread Jack Davis
Yeah, I had some personal "doo-doo" accepted last year. I really can't complain 
and maybe I should feel a wee bit guilty for submitting some especially smelly 
stuff that got accepted. Seems to me the standards for acceptance have been 
lowered and I've been taking advantage of it.
Submit a few more, Frank. Hopefully I'm wrong and the voters have matured 
somewhat since you left.
My sense is that your image posts deserve and receive more glowing comments 
from PDML members than most
 
Seriously, thanks for your generous comments, Frank!
 
Jack 
 
 

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From: "knarftheria...@gmail.com" 
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Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 10:35 AM
Subject: RE: PESO: Struggling Pine

Well I like it and I'm not anywhere near spiritual.

:-)

When the Pentax gallery started up several years ago and there was a great 
hubbub on this list with post after post declaring that the author had yet 
another photo accepted, I submitted a few. This was before I started shooting 
the odd critter or flower; these were all street photos, all technically far 
from perfect but I thought they all had merit.

After six rejects I decided to stop wasting my time. Haven't submitted since.

Your photo certainly is worthy of inclusion. I guess when you throw things open 
to a public vote, this sort of crap happens.

Which reminds me: didn't a pile of doo-doo get voted in last year?

Maybe you're better off getting voted off the island, Jack.

;-)

Cheers,
frank

"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
Christopher Hitchens

--- Original Message ---

From: Jack Davis 
Sent: June 4, 2012 6/4/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: PESO: Struggling Pine

Shot near the crest of a high pass through which you enter the eastern gate to 
Yellowstone NP.
A few years ago a person bought a framed print of this from a retail display at 
a local photo shop. A few days later she was back declaring it "positively 
spiritual" and bought a second copy for a friend.
 
It was just "declined" by PPG
.
 
Comments?
 
Jack
 
http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=645

Jack Davis
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RE: PESO: Struggling Pine

2012-06-04 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
Well I like it and I'm not anywhere near spiritual.

:-)

When the Pentax gallery started up several years ago and there was a great 
hubbub on this list with post after post declaring that the author had yet 
another photo accepted, I submitted a few. This was before I started shooting 
the odd critter or flower; these were all street photos, all technically far 
from perfect but I thought they all had merit.

After six rejects I decided to stop wasting my time. Haven't submitted since.

Your photo certainly is worthy of inclusion. I guess when you throw things open 
to a public vote, this sort of crap happens.

Which reminds me: didn't a pile of doo-doo get voted in last year?

Maybe you're better off getting voted off the island, Jack.

;-)

Cheers,
frank

"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
Christopher Hitchens

--- Original Message ---

From: Jack Davis 
Sent: June 4, 2012 6/4/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: PESO: Struggling Pine

Shot near the crest of a high pass through which you enter the eastern gate to 
Yellowstone NP.
A few years ago a person bought a framed print of this from a retail display at 
a local photo shop. A few days later she was back declaring it "positively 
spiritual" and bought a second copy for a friend.
 
It was just "declined" by PPG
.
 
Comments?
 
Jack
 
http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=645

Jack Davis
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Re: PESO: Struggling Pine

2012-06-04 Thread Jack Davis
Well, it does appear "they" rightfully assign some value to technical skill.
 
Jack

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- Original Message -
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Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: PESO: Struggling Pine

They do indeed seem to prefer pretty scenes over gritty ones.  In the
last three week, they accepted 8 of my submissions, and four of those
were close-ups of pretty flowers, dead centered.  Go figure.

Dan Matyola
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On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> Thanks, Dan! Of the few still pending, I gave this one the best chance.
> I think most voters are looking for a glorious scenic pine rather than one to 
> pity. ;-)
>
> Jack
>
> Jack Davis
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> http://www.photolightimages.com
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Daniel J. Matyola 
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> Cc:
> Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 8:25 AM
> Subject: Re: PESO: Struggling Pine
>
> I love the composition here.
>
> Don't worry about the PPG.  Lately, they have taken all my flower
> shots and rejected everything else.  Strange.  Give it a week or two,
> and try again;  you may get a wiser voting panel.
>
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>> Shot near the crest of a high pass through which you enter the eastern gate 
>> to Yellowstone NP.
>> A few years ago a person bought a framed print of this from a retail display 
>> at a local photo shop. A few days later she was back declaring it 
>> "positively spiritual" and bought a second copy for a friend.
>>
>> It was just "declined" by PPG
>> .
>>
>> Comments?
>>
>> Jack
>>
>> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=645
>>
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Re: PESO: Struggling Pine

2012-06-04 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
They do indeed seem to prefer pretty scenes over gritty ones.  In the
last three week, they accepted 8 of my submissions, and four of those
were close-ups of pretty flowers, dead centered.  Go figure.

Dan Matyola
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On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> Thanks, Dan! Of the few still pending, I gave this one the best chance.
> I think most voters are looking for a glorious scenic pine rather than one to 
> pity. ;-)
>
> Jack
>
> Jack Davis
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/jackdavis
> http://www.photolightimages.com
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Daniel J. Matyola 
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Cc:
> Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 8:25 AM
> Subject: Re: PESO: Struggling Pine
>
> I love the composition here.
>
> Don't worry about the PPG.  Lately, they have taken all my flower
> shots and rejected everything else.  Strange.  Give it a week or two,
> and try again;  you may get a wiser voting panel.
>
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>> Shot near the crest of a high pass through which you enter the eastern gate 
>> to Yellowstone NP.
>> A few years ago a person bought a framed print of this from a retail display 
>> at a local photo shop. A few days later she was back declaring it 
>> "positively spiritual" and bought a second copy for a friend.
>>
>> It was just "declined" by PPG
>> .
>>
>> Comments?
>>
>> Jack
>>
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Re: PESO: Struggling Pine

2012-06-04 Thread Jack Davis
Thanks, Dan! Of the few still pending, I gave this one the best chance.
I think most voters are looking for a glorious scenic pine rather than one to 
pity. ;-)
 
Jack

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From: Daniel J. Matyola 
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Subject: Re: PESO: Struggling Pine

I love the composition here.

Don't worry about the PPG.  Lately, they have taken all my flower
shots and rejected everything else.  Strange.  Give it a week or two,
and try again;  you may get a wiser voting panel.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> Shot near the crest of a high pass through which you enter the eastern gate 
> to Yellowstone NP.
> A few years ago a person bought a framed print of this from a retail display 
> at a local photo shop. A few days later she was back declaring it "positively 
> spiritual" and bought a second copy for a friend.
>
> It was just "declined" by PPG
> .
>
> Comments?
>
> Jack
>
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=645
>
> Jack Davis
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/jackdavis
> http://www.photolightimages.com
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Re: PESO: Struggling Pine

2012-06-04 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I love the composition here.

Don't worry about the PPG.  Lately, they have taken all my flower
shots and rejected everything else.  Strange.  Give it a week or two,
and try again;  you may get a wiser voting panel.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> Shot near the crest of a high pass through which you enter the eastern gate 
> to Yellowstone NP.
> A few years ago a person bought a framed print of this from a retail display 
> at a local photo shop. A few days later she was back declaring it "positively 
> spiritual" and bought a second copy for a friend.
>
> It was just "declined" by PPG
> .
>
> Comments?
>
> Jack
>
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=645
>
> Jack Davis
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/jackdavis
> http://www.photolightimages.com
>
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