Re: PESO (x4): How much faith.... (Whoops, with corrections)

2008-01-12 Thread Derby Chang
David Savage wrote:
 (I pasted the wrong image data the for last 2 shots. Here they are
 again correctly labled.)

 ...do you have in the K10D's weather sealing?

 Me? Not much :-)

 However, I met up with a group of local photogs at the beach this
 weekend for a sunset shoot. Lo  behold there was another K10D user
 who had a lot of faith in the 72 weather seals (~180kb):

 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2212/2174405423_1ed3c92b8b_o.jpg

 Later on he was shooting with his back to the surf, took a step
 backwards only to find there was no ground underfoot. He and his
 camera got a good soaking. I didn't get a shot of the actual fall, but
 here is the aftermath (~145kb).

 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2172/2175143626_fb0962800e_o.jpg

 And here are a couple of my better efforts from the trip:

 (~111kb)
 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2037/2175205476_62fc5babc1_o.jpg
 K10D, DA*16-50 f2.8 @ 16mm, 20 seconds @ f18


 (~131kb)
 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2122/2174436253_eba61dd08f_o.jpg
 K10D, Voightlander 125mm f2.5 Macro, 1/500 @ f5.6As always any  all
 comments welcome.


 Cheers,


 Dave

   

Ah, I was going to post, how clever of you to shoot the Voigt macro and 
make it look wide angle :)

Great shots, especially of John the Baptist blessing his K10D. Don't you 
find the Voigt rather wonderful for flare resistance, given the 
complexity of the design?

D


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Re: PESO (x4): How much faith.... (Whoops, with corrections)

2008-01-09 Thread William Robb

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From: David Savage 
Subject: Re: PESO (x4): How much faith (Whoops, with corrections)




 Naked babe on the beach usually does it for me.
 
 People tend to get their nose out of joint if you take pictures of
 their kid at the beach.
 

Take your own. 

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Re: PESO (x4): How much faith.... (Whoops, with corrections)

2008-01-08 Thread David Savage
On Jan 8, 2008 10:03 AM, Bong Manayon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Dave,

G'day Bong,

 The first one is looks lovely, its something I wished I took;

Thanks mate

the
 second one...well I have a lot those (dark foreground) :-D

:-)

I have heaps of them too.

Cheers,

Dave

   On Jan 7, 2008 11:29 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2212/2174405423_1ed3c92b8b_o.jpg
   http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2172/2175143626_fb0962800e_o.jpg
   http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2037/2175205476_62fc5babc1_o.jpg
   K10D, DA*16-50 f2.8 @ 16mm, 20 seconds @ f18
   http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2122/2174436253_eba61dd08f_o.jpg
   K10D, Voightlander 125mm f2.5 Macro, 1/500 @ f5.6

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Re: PESO (x4): How much faith....

2008-01-08 Thread David Savage
On Jan 8, 2008 3:59 AM, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I like the footsteps, it just suffers from a very bland sky.

But that's summer in West Oz. Sunshine  blue skies (90% of the time anyway) :-)

 The setting sun shot suffers from the same thing.  There are days when
 the weather just doesn't quite give us what we are hoping.

True enough.

You really do need some cloud for a decent sunset.

Cheers,

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Re: PESO (x4): How much faith....

2008-01-08 Thread David Savage
On Jan 8, 2008 2:05 AM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In a message dated 1/7/2008 5:38:59 A.M. Pacific  Standard Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2037/2175205476_62fc5babc1_o.jpg
 K10D,  Voightlander 125mm f2.5 Macro, 1/500 @  f5.6

 (~131kb)
 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2122/2174436253_eba61dd08f_o.jpg
 K10D,  DA*16-50 f2.8 @ 16mm, 20 seconds @ f18

 
 Well, weather  sealing doesn't really mean water proof. Guy's a bit of an
 idiot.

His faith may be misplaced, but it's his camera to do with as he pleases.

 Really  like the rocks and sand, Dave. Nice shot, well-composed, and
 peaceful. A  definite keeper.

Thanks Marnie.

Cheers,

Dave

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Re: PESO (x4): How much faith....

2008-01-08 Thread David Savage
On Jan 8, 2008 12:42 AM, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dave,
 So you've got to tell us.  Did the K10D take a licking and keep on ticking?

Yep. So far so good.

It'll be interesting to see how much longer it lasts.

 The voightlander shot looks pretty good.  I like the footprints in the
 foreground.

Thanks that was my fave from the outing (and it was actually the DA*
16-50. I pasted the wrong descriptions to the wrong photos)

 I need to calibrate the monitor (can I do that on a laptop?) for the
 sunset shot.
 The coral(?) is a big dark blob with only a hint of arms beneath.

Limestone (shot with the V125mm)

It is dark even on my calibrated monitor, but I was only using the
rock to break up the monotony of the ocean. Unless you have a
interesting sky, shooting sunsets over the sea can be difficult to
make interesting :-)

 Keep on sending those warm weather photos up to us.  ;-)

Deal.

And you kep posting those neat winter scenes.

Cheers,

Dave

 On Jan 7, 2008 7:27 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2212/2174405423_1ed3c92b8b_o.jpg
  http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2172/2175143626_fb0962800e_o.jpg
  http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2037/2175205476_62fc5babc1_o.jpg
  K10D, DA*16-50 f2.8 @ 16mm, 20 seconds @ f18
  http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2122/2174436253_eba61dd08f_o.jpg
  K10D, Voightlander 125mm f2.5 Macro, 1/500 @ f5.6

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Re: PESO (x4): How much faith....

2008-01-08 Thread David Savage
Thanks Walt.

Seals may help keep moisture out but, sea water has a funny habit of
finding a way in  ruining stuff.

Cheers,

Dave

On Jan 7, 2008 11:59 PM, Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Great stuff! I have to agree with you, I don't have THAT much faith in
 the seals, especially in salt water!!

 Walt


 On 1/7/08, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2212/2174405423_1ed3c92b8b_o.jpg
  http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2172/2175143626_fb0962800e_o.jpg
  http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2037/2175205476_62fc5babc1_o.jpg
  K10D, Voightlander 125mm f2.5 Macro, 1/500 @ f5.6
  http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2122/2174436253_eba61dd08f_o.jpg
  K10D, DA*16-50 f2.8 @ 16mm, 20 seconds @ f18

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RE: PESO (x4): How much faith.... (Whoops, with corrections)

2008-01-08 Thread Bob W
 
 The thing about living on the coast is it's surprisingly difficult
to
 find interesting foreground elements to make a sunset interesting.
 

Naked babe on the beach usually does it for me.

Bob


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Re: PESO (x4): How much faith.... (Whoops, with corrections)

2008-01-08 Thread David Savage
On Jan 9, 2008 6:21 AM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  The thing about living on the coast is it's surprisingly difficult
 to
  find interesting foreground elements to make a sunset interesting.
 

 Naked babe on the beach usually does it for me.

People tend to get their nose out of joint if you take pictures of
their kid at the beach.

Cheers,

Dave ;-)

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Re: PESO (x4): How much faith....

2008-01-07 Thread Walter Hamler
Great stuff! I have to agree with you, I don't have THAT much faith in
the seals, especially in salt water!!

Walt

On 1/7/08, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ...do you have in the K10D's weather sealing?

 Me? Not much :-)

 However, I met up with a group of local photogs at the beach this
 weekend for a sunset shoot. Lo  behold there was another K10D user
 who had a lot of faith in the 72 weather seals (~180kb):

 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2212/2174405423_1ed3c92b8b_o.jpg

 Later on he was shooting with his back to the surf, took a step
 backwards only to find there was no ground underfoot. He and his
 camera got a good soaking. I didn't get a shot of the actual fall, but
 here is the aftermath (~145kb).

 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2172/2175143626_fb0962800e_o.jpg

 And here are a couple of my better efforts from the trip:

 (~111kb)
 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2037/2175205476_62fc5babc1_o.jpg
 K10D, Voightlander 125mm f2.5 Macro, 1/500 @ f5.6

 (~131kb)
 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2122/2174436253_eba61dd08f_o.jpg
 K10D, DA*16-50 f2.8 @ 16mm, 20 seconds @ f18

 As always any  all comments welcome.


 Cheers,


 Dave

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Re: PESO (x4): How much faith....

2008-01-07 Thread Bob Sullivan
Dave,
So you've got to tell us.  Did the K10D take a licking and keep on ticking?
The voightlander shot looks pretty good.  I like the footprints in the
foreground.
I need to calibrate the monitor (can I do that on a laptop?) for the
sunset shot.
The coral(?) is a big dark blob with only a hint of arms beneath.
Keep on sending those warm weather photos up to us.  ;-)
Regards,  Bob S.


On Jan 7, 2008 7:27 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ...do you have in the K10D's weather sealing?

 Me? Not much :-)

 However, I met up with a group of local photogs at the beach this
 weekend for a sunset shoot. Lo  behold there was another K10D user
 who had a lot of faith in the 72 weather seals (~180kb):

 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2212/2174405423_1ed3c92b8b_o.jpg

 Later on he was shooting with his back to the surf, took a step
 backwards only to find there was no ground underfoot. He and his
 camera got a good soaking. I didn't get a shot of the actual fall, but
 here is the aftermath (~145kb).

 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2172/2175143626_fb0962800e_o.jpg

 And here are a couple of my better efforts from the trip:

 (~111kb)
 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2037/2175205476_62fc5babc1_o.jpg
 K10D, Voightlander 125mm f2.5 Macro, 1/500 @ f5.6

 (~131kb)
 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2122/2174436253_eba61dd08f_o.jpg
 K10D, DA*16-50 f2.8 @ 16mm, 20 seconds @ f18

 As always any  all comments welcome.


 Cheers,


 Dave

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Re: PESO (x4): How much faith.... (Whoops, with corrections)

2008-01-07 Thread David J Brooks
He *seems* not to worried.:-)

Really like the first one. Your 16-50 seems to do a good job as the others here.

Second one is good. Great sky exposure, the rock looks just a tad to
dark here. Thats my only nit.

Dave

On Jan 7, 2008 11:29 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 (I pasted the wrong image data the for last 2 shots. Here they are
 again correctly labled.)

 ...do you have in the K10D's weather sealing?

 Me? Not much :-)

 However, I met up with a group of local photogs at the beach this
 weekend for a sunset shoot. Lo  behold there was another K10D user
 who had a lot of faith in the 72 weather seals (~180kb):

 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2212/2174405423_1ed3c92b8b_o.jpg

 Later on he was shooting with his back to the surf, took a step
 backwards only to find there was no ground underfoot. He and his
 camera got a good soaking. I didn't get a shot of the actual fall, but
 here is the aftermath (~145kb).

 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2172/2175143626_fb0962800e_o.jpg

 And here are a couple of my better efforts from the trip:

 (~111kb)
 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2037/2175205476_62fc5babc1_o.jpg
 K10D, DA*16-50 f2.8 @ 16mm, 20 seconds @ f18


 (~131kb)
 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2122/2174436253_eba61dd08f_o.jpg
 K10D, Voightlander 125mm f2.5 Macro, 1/500 @ f5.6As always any  all
 comments welcome.


 Cheers,


 Dave

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Re: PESO (x4): How much faith....

2008-01-07 Thread P. J. Alling
That seems to be quite a lot of faith.  I don't think I'd risk a 
personal camera that way.  On the other hand if I were shooting for a 
major publication, hell they'd be paying for me and the camera. 

Unless that guy is working for UPI or National Geographic he's taking 
pictures the way my brother used to play pickup basketball, like a 
semi-pro.  Until he wrecked his knees that is.

David Savage wrote:
 ...do you have in the K10D's weather sealing?

 Me? Not much :-)

 However, I met up with a group of local photogs at the beach this
 weekend for a sunset shoot. Lo  behold there was another K10D user
 who had a lot of faith in the 72 weather seals (~180kb):

 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2212/2174405423_1ed3c92b8b_o.jpg

 Later on he was shooting with his back to the surf, took a step
 backwards only to find there was no ground underfoot. He and his
 camera got a good soaking. I didn't get a shot of the actual fall, but
 here is the aftermath (~145kb).

 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2172/2175143626_fb0962800e_o.jpg

 And here are a couple of my better efforts from the trip:

 (~111kb)
 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2037/2175205476_62fc5babc1_o.jpg
 K10D, Voightlander 125mm f2.5 Macro, 1/500 @ f5.6

 (~131kb)
 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2122/2174436253_eba61dd08f_o.jpg
 K10D, DA*16-50 f2.8 @ 16mm, 20 seconds @ f18

 As always any  all comments welcome.


 Cheers,


 Dave

   


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Re: PESO (x4): How much faith....

2008-01-07 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 1/7/2008 5:38:59 A.M. Pacific  Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And here are a couple of my better  efforts from the  trip:

(~111kb)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2037/2175205476_62fc5babc1_o.jpg
K10D,  Voightlander 125mm f2.5 Macro, 1/500 @  f5.6

(~131kb)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2122/2174436253_eba61dd08f_o.jpg
K10D,  DA*16-50 f2.8 @ 16mm, 20 seconds @ f18

As always any  all comments  welcome.


Cheers,


Dave


Well, weather  sealing doesn't really mean water proof. Guy's a bit of an 
idiot.

Really  like the rocks and sand, Dave. Nice shot, well-composed, and 
peaceful. A  definite keeper.

Marnie aka Doe  :-)

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Re: PESO (x4): How much faith....

2008-01-07 Thread Bruce Dayton
Well I have faith in the weather sealing.  The issue to me is that
this guy is not dealing with weather, he is just walking out in salt
water.  Weather sealing is something like rain or wind blowing dust
and such.  I won't be surprised if he is in the market for a new
camera.

Just the other day we went to shoot Elephant Seals right after the
huge storm in California.  We got down to the beach walking with the
docent amidst a heavy downpour of rain that eventually turned in to
hail.  I pulled my K10D and DA* 50-135 out from under the pancho many
times to take shots.  It definitely got wet, but held up well.  I
didn't keep it out in the rain the whole time, just during shooting
itself, then back under the pancho.

I like the footsteps, it just suffers from a very bland sky.

The setting sun shot suffers from the same thing.  There are days when
the weather just doesn't quite give us what we are hoping.

-- 
Bruce


Monday, January 7, 2008, 5:27:03 AM, you wrote:

DS ...do you have in the K10D's weather sealing?

DS Me? Not much :-)

DS However, I met up with a group of local photogs at the beach this
DS weekend for a sunset shoot. Lo  behold there was another K10D user
DS who had a lot of faith in the 72 weather seals (~180kb):

DS http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2212/2174405423_1ed3c92b8b_o.jpg

DS Later on he was shooting with his back to the surf, took a step
DS backwards only to find there was no ground underfoot. He and his
DS camera got a good soaking. I didn't get a shot of the actual fall, but
DS here is the aftermath (~145kb).

DS http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2172/2175143626_fb0962800e_o.jpg

DS And here are a couple of my better efforts from the trip:

DS (~111kb)
DS http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2037/2175205476_62fc5babc1_o.jpg
DS K10D, Voightlander 125mm f2.5 Macro, 1/500 @ f5.6

DS (~131kb)
DS http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2122/2174436253_eba61dd08f_o.jpg
DS K10D, DA*16-50 f2.8 @ 16mm, 20 seconds @ f18

DS As always any  all comments welcome.


DS Cheers,


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RE: PESO (x4): How much faith....

2008-01-07 Thread Bob W
I've waded into the sea many times to take pictures, even without
sealed cameras. The secret of not falling over (famous last words?) is
to make sure each foot is absolutely secure before you shift your
balance, and to watch the waves.

--
 Bob
 

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of P. J. Alling
 Sent: 07 January 2008 16:46
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: Re: PESO (x4): How much faith
 
 That seems to be quite a lot of faith.  I don't think I'd risk a 
 personal camera that way.  On the other hand if I were shooting for
a 
 major publication, hell they'd be paying for me and the camera. 
 
 Unless that guy is working for UPI or National Geographic he's
taking 
 pictures the way my brother used to play pickup basketball, like a 
 semi-pro.  Until he wrecked his knees that is.
 
 David Savage wrote:
  ...do you have in the K10D's weather sealing?
 
  Me? Not much :-)
 
  However, I met up with a group of local photogs at the beach this
  weekend for a sunset shoot. Lo  behold there was another K10D
user
  who had a lot of faith in the 72 weather seals (~180kb):
 
  http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2212/2174405423_1ed3c92b8b_o.jpg
 
  Later on he was shooting with his back to the surf, took a step
  backwards only to find there was no ground underfoot. He and his
  camera got a good soaking. I didn't get a shot of the 
 actual fall, but
  here is the aftermath (~145kb).
 
  http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2172/2175143626_fb0962800e_o.jpg
 
  And here are a couple of my better efforts from the trip:
 
  (~111kb)
  http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2037/2175205476_62fc5babc1_o.jpg
  K10D, Voightlander 125mm f2.5 Macro, 1/500 @ f5.6
 
  (~131kb)
  http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2122/2174436253_eba61dd08f_o.jpg
  K10D, DA*16-50 f2.8 @ 16mm, 20 seconds @ f18
 
  As always any  all comments welcome.
 
 
  Cheers,
 
 
  Dave
 

 
 
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Re: PESO (x4): How much faith.... (Whoops, with corrections)

2008-01-07 Thread Christine Aguila
Dave Savage:  I agree with what Dave Brooks says below.  Love that 1st one. 
I'd really like to get the 16-50.Really enjoy seeing your photos. 
Cheers, Christine



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 He *seems* not to worried.:-)

 Really like the first one. Your 16-50 seems to do a good job as the others 
 here.

 Second one is good. Great sky exposure, the rock looks just a tad to
 dark here. Thats my only nit.

 Dave

 On Jan 7, 2008 11:29 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 (I pasted the wrong image data the for last 2 shots. Here they are
 again correctly labled.)

 ...do you have in the K10D's weather sealing?

 Me? Not much :-)

 However, I met up with a group of local photogs at the beach this
 weekend for a sunset shoot. Lo  behold there was another K10D user
 who had a lot of faith in the 72 weather seals (~180kb):

 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2212/2174405423_1ed3c92b8b_o.jpg

 Later on he was shooting with his back to the surf, took a step
 backwards only to find there was no ground underfoot. He and his
 camera got a good soaking. I didn't get a shot of the actual fall, but
 here is the aftermath (~145kb).

 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2172/2175143626_fb0962800e_o.jpg

 And here are a couple of my better efforts from the trip:

 (~111kb)
 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2037/2175205476_62fc5babc1_o.jpg
 K10D, DA*16-50 f2.8 @ 16mm, 20 seconds @ f18


 (~131kb)
 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2122/2174436253_eba61dd08f_o.jpg
 K10D, Voightlander 125mm f2.5 Macro, 1/500 @ f5.6As always any  all
 comments welcome.


 Cheers,


 Dave

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Re: PESO (x4): How much faith.... (Whoops, with corrections)

2008-01-07 Thread Bong Manayon
Hi Dave,

The first one is looks lovely, its something I wished I took; the
second one...well I have a lot those (dark foreground) :-D

Bong

On Jan 8, 2008 6:37 AM, Christine  Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dave Savage:  I agree with what Dave Brooks says below.  Love that 1st one.
 I'd really like to get the 16-50.Really enjoy seeing your photos.
 Cheers, Christine




 - Original Message -
 From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 10:44 AM
 Subject: Re: PESO (x4): How much faith (Whoops, with corrections)


  He *seems* not to worried.:-)
 
  Really like the first one. Your 16-50 seems to do a good job as the others
  here.
 
  Second one is good. Great sky exposure, the rock looks just a tad to
  dark here. Thats my only nit.
 
  Dave
 
  On Jan 7, 2008 11:29 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  (I pasted the wrong image data the for last 2 shots. Here they are
  again correctly labled.)
 
  ...do you have in the K10D's weather sealing?
 
  Me? Not much :-)
 
  However, I met up with a group of local photogs at the beach this
  weekend for a sunset shoot. Lo  behold there was another K10D user
  who had a lot of faith in the 72 weather seals (~180kb):
 
  http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2212/2174405423_1ed3c92b8b_o.jpg
 
  Later on he was shooting with his back to the surf, took a step
  backwards only to find there was no ground underfoot. He and his
  camera got a good soaking. I didn't get a shot of the actual fall, but
  here is the aftermath (~145kb).
 
  http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2172/2175143626_fb0962800e_o.jpg
 
  And here are a couple of my better efforts from the trip:
 
  (~111kb)
  http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2037/2175205476_62fc5babc1_o.jpg
  K10D, DA*16-50 f2.8 @ 16mm, 20 seconds @ f18
 
 
  (~131kb)
  http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2122/2174436253_eba61dd08f_o.jpg
  K10D, Voightlander 125mm f2.5 Macro, 1/500 @ f5.6As always any  all
  comments welcome.
 
 
  Cheers,
 
 
  Dave
 
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