RE: PESO - Life and death
Ok Boris. I'll take your word for it ;-) Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) > -Original Message- > From: Boris Liberman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 10. desember 2005 18:41 > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Subject: Re: PESO - Life and death > > Hi! > > > I've been away for work some days. > > > > Reading your comment makes me feel that the image evokes some unpleasant > > emotions in you. I don't understand. Thats not my intention. Your > comment > > makes me very curious. > > > > A "haunted image", haunted by what/who? > > I can assure you, there is nothing dangerous in that frame ;-) > > > > Is it for aesthetic reasons, or is it something about my photographic > > "idea"? Or, could it be a cultural "thing"? > > Or are you just politely telling me that the picture is crap? I can live > > with that ;-) > > > > The reason for asking this is that I want to have another try at the > > concept. Your comment may be valuable looking for other approaches. > > > > Tim, generally I feel a bit uneasy about any image that shows a cemetery > or burial... But please disregard me here. Whatever I feel in this very > case shouldn't affect your photography or your thinking in any way > whatsoever. > > Boris >
Re: PESO - Life and death
Hi! I've been away for work some days. Reading your comment makes me feel that the image evokes some unpleasant emotions in you. I don't understand. That’s not my intention. Your comment makes me very curious. A "haunted image", haunted by what/who? I can assure you, there is nothing dangerous in that frame ;-) Is it for aesthetic reasons, or is it something about my photographic "idea"? Or, could it be a cultural "thing"? Or are you just politely telling me that the picture is crap? I can live with that ;-) The reason for asking this is that I want to have another try at the concept. Your comment may be valuable looking for other approaches. Tim, generally I feel a bit uneasy about any image that shows a cemetery or burial... But please disregard me here. Whatever I feel in this very case shouldn't affect your photography or your thinking in any way whatsoever. Boris
RE: PESO - Life and death
I've been away for work some days. Reading your comment makes me feel that the image evokes some unpleasant emotions in you. I don't understand. Thats not my intention. Your comment makes me very curious. A "haunted image", haunted by what/who? I can assure you, there is nothing dangerous in that frame ;-) Is it for aesthetic reasons, or is it something about my photographic "idea"? Or, could it be a cultural "thing"? Or are you just politely telling me that the picture is crap? I can live with that ;-) The reason for asking this is that I want to have another try at the concept. Your comment may be valuable looking for other approaches. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) > -Original Message- > From: Boris Liberman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 7. desember 2005 20:03 > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Subject: Re: PESO - Life and death > > Hi! > > > This image sets me 50-60 years back in time, making me think about how > > people lived their lives back then. It was hard work, and many where > lost > > while fishing. > > > > http://www.photosight.org/photo.php?photoid=26026 > > Olumpus 5050W. 64 ISO, f4, 1/400s > > Tim, the funniest thing here is that there is www.photosight.ru that is > in Russian while it seems to be the same engine as your site... > > As for the photo... I have just one emotion looking at it - it is very > unsettling... It makes me feel uneasy... I cannot say why - it just > does... > > Is it good or bad - I don't know - I couldn't tell. > > Technically it can be edited in various ways, but as you presented it - > I find it quite fine... > > Yet again, this uneasiness - it just does not pass... Feels almost as if > this image is haunted somehow... > > Boris >
RE: PESO - Life and death
You are absolutely right Jens. No person has ever lived in that house. As Frank says, it is a boathouse. It is simply the tools of the trade of a fisherman. What I wanted to picture was the tools, represented by the boathouse, and death, symbolised by the tombstones. Life and death. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) > -Original Message- > From: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 4. desember 2005 19:16 > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Subject: RE: PESO - Life and death > > A nice thought (and shot) - combining the shed and the tomb stones. > I doubt, however, that people actually lived in this windowless shed?? > Regards > > Jens Bladt > http://www.jensbladt.dk > > -Oprindelig meddelelse- > Fra: Tim Øsleby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sendt: 2. december 2005 13:31 > Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Emne: PESO - Life and death > > > This image sets me 50-60 years back in time, making me think about how > people lived their lives back then. It was hard work, and many where lost > while fishing. > > http://www.photosight.org/photo.php?photoid=26026 > Olumpus 5050W. 64 ISO, f4, 1/400s > > Comments please. > > > Tim > Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) > > Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds > (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) > > > >
Re: PESO - Life and death
Hi! This image sets me 50-60 years back in time, making me think about how people lived their lives back then. It was hard work, and many where lost while fishing. http://www.photosight.org/photo.php?photoid=26026 Olumpus 5050W. 64 ISO, f4, 1/400s Tim, the funniest thing here is that there is www.photosight.ru that is in Russian while it seems to be the same engine as your site... As for the photo... I have just one emotion looking at it - it is very unsettling... It makes me feel uneasy... I cannot say why - it just does... Is it good or bad - I don't know - I couldn't tell. Technically it can be edited in various ways, but as you presented it - I find it quite fine... Yet again, this uneasiness - it just does not pass... Feels almost as if this image is haunted somehow... Boris
Re: PESO - Life and death
On 12/4/05, Jens Bladt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A nice thought (and shot) - combining the shed and the tomb stones. > I doubt, however, that people actually lived in this windowless shed?? > Regards It looks like a boathouse. For winter storage, or whatever. I know in Nova Scotia some of the larger ones have been bought by city/yuppie types and are being converted into smallish seaside cottages/residences. cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
RE: PESO - Life and death
A nice thought (and shot) - combining the shed and the tomb stones. I doubt, however, that people actually lived in this windowless shed?? Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Tim Øsleby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 2. december 2005 13:31 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: PESO - Life and death This image sets me 50-60 years back in time, making me think about how people lived their lives back then. It was hard work, and many where lost while fishing. http://www.photosight.org/photo.php?photoid=26026 Olumpus 5050W. 64 ISO, f4, 1/400s Comments please. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)
RE: PESO - Life and death
Hi Tim, Overall I liked this photo. I like old places and old things, and the photo reminded me of many places I've visited. So, it got me on an emotional level. Technically it can use some improvement. A little more contrast in the building and foreground improved the pic on my monitor. The contrast of the sky was not increased. The gravestone in the foreground looked a little dark, and brightening it added some dimension and depth to the photo, and, to some degree, provided a stronger focal point. Taking a bit off the top, and reducing the amount of sky in the photo, seemed to strengthen the image as well. The large expanse of bright sky competes with the rest of the photo and draws the eye away from the main subject area. Shel "You meet the nicest people with a Pentax" > [Original Message] > From: Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Date: 12/2/2005 4:34:50 AM > Subject: PESO - Life and death > > This image sets me 50-60 years back in time, making me think about how > people lived their lives back then. It was hard work, and many where lost > while fishing. > > http://www.photosight.org/photo.php?photoid=26026 > Olumpus 5050W. 64 ISO, f4, 1/400s > > Comments please. > > > Tim > Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) > > Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds > (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) >
Re: PESO - Life and death
Frank, your description reminds me of the movie "Captains Courageous" with Spencer Tracy. Tough life indeed. rg frank theriault wrote: On 12/2/05, Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This image sets me 50-60 years back in time, making me think about how people lived their lives back then. It was hard work, and many where lost while fishing. http://www.photosight.org/photo.php?photoid=26026 Olumpus 5050W. 64 ISO, f4, 1/400s Comments please. I like this a lot. Nicely composed, and I find the subject matter very poignant (more on that in a minute). I also like the muted, overcast lighting. It fits in perfectly with such a maritime theme. Another thing I like about it is that it reminds me of the area in which my parents lived in Nova Scotia, Canada. I'd swear that was taken about 2 miles from their home, up near Mader's Cove. Until the depletion of the cod stocks in the North Atlantic, that area of Canada depended heavily on fishing. It was a hard life, even with the advent of modern steel-hulled factory trawlers. But (as you said), up to about 50 or 60 years ago, when they went to sea in wooden boats to fish, it was a hard life indeed. I could go on about fishing techniques back then (long-liners from dories sent out from the main schooner), but suffice to say that it was backbreaking work. And, every year, each small community lost several men to the sea. The gales of August 1927 were most notorious, with four schooners from the town of Lunenberg lost in one day. Here's a list of sea tragedies (mostly fishermen) lost since 1900: http://www.lostatsea.ca/newspaps.htm Your photo evokes all of that, and also reminds me that some cultures (like that of the fisherman) transcend national borders. Thanks for a wonderful photo. Sorry for the longish rambling post, but some photos just do that... cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
RE: PESO - Life and death
Thanks for looking. Most likely I will try again. See if I can get more out of the spot. I think that you don't see the fishing part in the picture is a cultural thing. (You are an inland person, aren't you?) The little house is a rather typical boathouse. Right now I don't see any other elements I could integrate in frame to make it clearer. But time will tell... Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) > -Original Message- > From: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 2. desember 2005 18:28 > To: Tim Øsleby > Subject: Re: PESO - Life and death > > Interesting concept. Somehow, the image seems a bit flat to me - > seems like it might need a bit more contrast. Without the description > you gave, I would not relate the fishing part at all. This is one > that I would go back to and explore more to see if you can strengthen > what you are trying to portray to us. > > -- > Best regards, > Bruce > > > Friday, December 2, 2005, 4:30:45 AM, you wrote: > > TØ> This image sets me 50-60 years back in time, making me think about how > TØ> people lived their lives back then. It was hard work, and many where > lost > TØ> while fishing. > > TØ> http://www.photosight.org/photo.php?photoid=26026 > TØ> Olumpus 5050W. 64 ISO, f4, 1/400s > > TØ> Comments please. > > > TØ> Tim > TØ> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) > > TØ> Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds > TØ> (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) > >
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On 12/2/05, Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Frank, I think you are a hopeless romantic, just like me, rambling on about > the old days. The good old days when people died struggling ;-) Well, it's interesting to look back, as it's a part of our heritage. Certainly, as my family is originally from Nova Scotia, it's most educational to see how my ancestors (or many of them) struggled to make ends meet and how much the sacrificed and suffered for their families. I'm glad I live in modern times, though... > > Besides being interesting, you post told me that the message in the picture > got thru. Evoking a long comment is a good thing. I agree. -frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
RE: PESO - Life and death
Paul, thanks for commenting. Despite the weaknesses, I do like the photo. The story the objects tells. I think your suggestion requires a wider lens, and the Oly stops at 35mm. The dim tiny viewfinder doesn't help me in being creative either. Enough stupid excuses, think I'll have another go, some day. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) > -Original Message- > From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 2. desember 2005 13:44 > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Subject: Re: PESO - Life and death > > I like the concept and the tonality. The composition leaves me wanting > more. Perhaps tighter on the first headstone and more water. But > overall I like this. > Paul > On Dec 2, 2005, at 7:30 AM, Tim Øsleby wrote: > > > This image sets me 50-60 years back in time, making me think about how > > people lived their lives back then. It was hard work, and many where > > lost > > while fishing. > > > > http://www.photosight.org/photo.php?photoid=26026 > > Olumpus 5050W. 64 ISO, f4, 1/400s > > > > Comments please. > > > > > > Tim > > Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) > > > > Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds > > (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) > > > > > >
Re: PESO - Life and death
Interesting concept. Somehow, the image seems a bit flat to me - seems like it might need a bit more contrast. Without the description you gave, I would not relate the fishing part at all. This is one that I would go back to and explore more to see if you can strengthen what you are trying to portray to us. -- Best regards, Bruce Friday, December 2, 2005, 4:30:45 AM, you wrote: TØ> This image sets me 50-60 years back in time, making me think about how TØ> people lived their lives back then. It was hard work, and many where lost TØ> while fishing. TØ> http://www.photosight.org/photo.php?photoid=26026 TØ> Olumpus 5050W. 64 ISO, f4, 1/400s TØ> Comments please. TØ> Tim TØ> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) TØ> Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds TØ> (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)
RE: PESO - Life and death
Frank, I think you are a hopeless romantic, just like me, rambling on about the old days. The good old days when people died struggling ;-) Besides being interesting, you post told me that the message in the picture got thru. Evoking a long comment is a good thing. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) > -Original Message- > From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 2. desember 2005 15:02 > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Subject: Re: PESO - Life and death > > On 12/2/05, Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This image sets me 50-60 years back in time, making me think about how > > people lived their lives back then. It was hard work, and many where > lost > > while fishing. > > > > http://www.photosight.org/photo.php?photoid=26026 > > Olumpus 5050W. 64 ISO, f4, 1/400s > > > > Comments please. > > > > I like this a lot. Nicely composed, and I find the subject matter > very poignant (more on that in a minute). > > I also like the muted, overcast lighting. It fits in perfectly with > such a maritime theme. > > Another thing I like about it is that it reminds me of the area in > which my parents lived in Nova Scotia, Canada. I'd swear that was > taken about 2 miles from their home, up near Mader's Cove. > > Until the depletion of the cod stocks in the North Atlantic, that area > of Canada depended heavily on fishing. It was a hard life, even with > the advent of modern steel-hulled factory trawlers. But (as you > said), up to about 50 or 60 years ago, when they went to sea in wooden > boats to fish, it was a hard life indeed. I could go on about fishing > techniques back then (long-liners from dories sent out from the main > schooner), but suffice to say that it was backbreaking work. And, > every year, each small community lost several men to the sea. The > gales of August 1927 were most notorious, with four schooners from the > town of Lunenberg lost in one day. Here's a list of sea tragedies > (mostly fishermen) lost since 1900: > > http://www.lostatsea.ca/newspaps.htm > > Your photo evokes all of that, and also reminds me that some cultures > (like that of the fisherman) transcend national borders. > > Thanks for a wonderful photo. Sorry for the longish rambling post, > but some photos just do that... > > cheers, > frank > > > -- > "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson >
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On 12/2/05, Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This image sets me 50-60 years back in time, making me think about how > people lived their lives back then. It was hard work, and many where lost > while fishing. > > http://www.photosight.org/photo.php?photoid=26026 > Olumpus 5050W. 64 ISO, f4, 1/400s > > Comments please. > I like this a lot. Nicely composed, and I find the subject matter very poignant (more on that in a minute). I also like the muted, overcast lighting. It fits in perfectly with such a maritime theme. Another thing I like about it is that it reminds me of the area in which my parents lived in Nova Scotia, Canada. I'd swear that was taken about 2 miles from their home, up near Mader's Cove. Until the depletion of the cod stocks in the North Atlantic, that area of Canada depended heavily on fishing. It was a hard life, even with the advent of modern steel-hulled factory trawlers. But (as you said), up to about 50 or 60 years ago, when they went to sea in wooden boats to fish, it was a hard life indeed. I could go on about fishing techniques back then (long-liners from dories sent out from the main schooner), but suffice to say that it was backbreaking work. And, every year, each small community lost several men to the sea. The gales of August 1927 were most notorious, with four schooners from the town of Lunenberg lost in one day. Here's a list of sea tragedies (mostly fishermen) lost since 1900: http://www.lostatsea.ca/newspaps.htm Your photo evokes all of that, and also reminds me that some cultures (like that of the fisherman) transcend national borders. Thanks for a wonderful photo. Sorry for the longish rambling post, but some photos just do that... cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: PESO - Life and death
I like the concept and the tonality. The composition leaves me wanting more. Perhaps tighter on the first headstone and more water. But overall I like this. Paul On Dec 2, 2005, at 7:30 AM, Tim Øsleby wrote: This image sets me 50-60 years back in time, making me think about how people lived their lives back then. It was hard work, and many where lost while fishing. http://www.photosight.org/photo.php?photoid=26026 Olumpus 5050W. 64 ISO, f4, 1/400s Comments please. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)
