Re: Why I won't be buying a K20D.......yet!
On Thu, 08 May 2008 18:09:56 -0400, P. J. Alling wrote Nope, if your cover the digital pin you get an A lens, as far as Pentax DSLRs are concerned. Yep, figured as much, thanks, you saved me some time figuribg that one out. Maybe I should enable myself with a lighter tripod. Regards, John. The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why I won't be buying a K20D.......yet!
Cotty wrote: On 8/5/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Insufferable Snideness? Increased Spending? Illusions of Superiority? Irrational Sensations? I'm stumped. Itinerant Snappers. This thread must be, yes you guessed it, incredibly stupid! -- Toralf Lund -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why I won't be buying a K20D.......yet!
Toralf Lund wrote: Cotty wrote: On 8/5/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Insufferable Snideness? Increased Spending? Illusions of Superiority? Irrational Sensations? I'm stumped. Itinerant Snappers. This thread must be, yes you guessed it, incredibly stupid! What? Not Invigorating and Stimulating? I'm crushed! ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why I won't be buying a K20D.......yet!
Ow. J. C. O'Connell wrote: BECAUSE ON A FULL FRAME CAMERA YOUR IMAGE IS OVER TWICE AS BIG AND YOU DONT HAVE TO ENLARGE IT NEARLY AS MUCH FOR THE SAME SIZE PRINT. I.E. YOUR TOTAL LINES RECORDED EFFECTIVE INCREASE IN BOTH AXIS BY 50% APS DEMANDS THE VERY FINEST LENSES FOR BEST RESULTS COMPARED TO FF JCO -- -Michael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Michael S. Keller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ow. J. C. O'Connell wrote: BECAUSE ON A FULL FRAME CAMERA YOUR IMAGE IS OVER TWICE AS BIG AND YOU DONT HAVE TO ENLARGE IT NEARLY AS MUCH FOR THE SAME SIZE PRINT. I.E. YOUR TOTAL LINES RECORDED EFFECTIVE INCREASE IN BOTH AXIS BY 50% APS DEMANDS THE VERY FINEST LENSES FOR BEST RESULTS COMPARED TO FF JCO STILL NEED TO YELL AT US EH. DAVE -- -Michael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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David J Brooks wrote: On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Michael S. Keller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ow. J. C. O'Connell wrote: BECAUSE ON A FULL FRAME CAMERA YOUR IMAGE IS OVER TWICE AS BIG AND YOU DONT HAVE TO ENLARGE IT NEARLY AS MUCH FOR THE SAME SIZE PRINT. I.E. YOUR TOTAL LINES RECORDED EFFECTIVE INCREASE IN BOTH AXIS BY 50% APS DEMANDS THE VERY FINEST LENSES FOR BEST RESULTS COMPARED TO FF JCO STILL NEED TO YELL AT US EH. WHAT? SPEAK UP, DAMNIT! -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why I won't be buying a K20D.......yet!
This shot kinda sucks too. No detail, color problems, soft, etc. All the issues you'd expect using a TC which I use pretty much all the time when I'm shooting birds: http://links.pictures.aol.com/pic/2d202SU7xah202JL7C4tZUZ-g32GSH2m71BZv4xQp5Fd3Ig=_l.jpg Oh yeah, I shot it on a tripod using some sort of electronic image stabilization. :-P Christian -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Dreadful, you can clearly see the effect of the TC on the image quality 8) John On Fri, 09 May 2008 12:31:31 -0400, Christian wrote This shot kinda sucks too. No detail, color problems, soft, etc. All the issues you'd expect using a TC which I use pretty much all the time when I'm shooting birds: http://links.pictures.aol.com/pic/2d202SU7xah202JL7C4tZUZ- g32GSH2m71BZv4xQp5Fd3Ig=_l.jpg Oh yeah, I shot it on a tripod using some sort of electronic image stabilization. :-P Christian -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. John Whittingham Technician The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mark Roberts wrote: Toralf Lund wrote: Cotty wrote: On 8/5/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Insufferable Snideness? Increased Spending? Illusions of Superiority? Irrational Sensations? I'm stumped. Itinerant Snappers. This thread must be, yes you guessed it, incredibly stupid! What? Not Invigorating and Stimulating? I'm crushed! ;-) I'm Sorry... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hadn't seen this one, Christian. Superb! Paul On May 9, 2008, at 12:31 PM, Christian wrote: This shot kinda sucks too. No detail, color problems, soft, etc. All the issues you'd expect using a TC which I use pretty much all the time when I'm shooting birds: http://links.pictures.aol.com/pic/2d202SU7xah202JL7C4tZUZ- g32GSH2m71BZv4xQp5Fd3Ig=_l.jpg Oh yeah, I shot it on a tripod using some sort of electronic image stabilization. :-P Christian -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why I won't be buying a K20D.......yet!
OK...OK...enough. It would just be nice to have the two EX converters I have work effectively with the shake reduction feature, especially being as Pentax don't *currently* have a teleconverter in production. Looks like I'm left covering up pin 7 on the EX Tc's and perhaps digging out the A 2X-S and giving that I try. It's a PITA that I have a 70-200/2.8 and 1.4x Tc and I can't use AF or SR. I need some longer lenses. Regards, John On Thu, 8 May 2008 10:53:00 +0800, David Savage wrote Those people are retarded. It's not Pentax's fault that an unsupported 3rd part accessory's doesn't work. Cheers, Dave The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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At 03:27 PM 8/05/2008, you wrote: OK...OK...enough. It would just be nice to have the two EX converters I have work effectively with the shake reduction feature, especially being as Pentax don't *currently* have a teleconverter in production. I don't disagree, but for the Pentax Forums simpletons to blame Pentax for the behavior of another manufacturers product on their camera is silly. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yes, agreed. Regards, John On Thu, 08 May 2008 15:45:46 +0800, David Savage wrote At 03:27 PM 8/05/2008, you wrote: OK...OK...enough. It would just be nice to have the two EX converters I have work effectively with the shake reduction feature, especially being as Pentax don't *currently* have a teleconverter in production. I don't disagree, but for the Pentax Forums simpletons to blame Pentax for the behavior of another manufacturers product on their camera is silly. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I bet the reason why is because TCs suck in general and really suck the big one on APS sensored cameras. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Savage Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 3:46 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Why I won't be buying a K20D...yet! At 03:27 PM 8/05/2008, you wrote: OK...OK...enough. It would just be nice to have the two EX converters I have work effectively with the shake reduction feature, especially being as Pentax don't *currently* have a teleconverter in production. I don't disagree, but for the Pentax Forums simpletons to blame Pentax for the behavior of another manufacturers product on their camera is silly. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/05/07 Wed PM 07:40:30 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Why I won't be buying a K20D...yet! John Whittingham wrote: http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-discussion/24491-k20d- teleconverters.html Wow. I take back everything I've ever said about DP Review people being neurotic! William's on the case. Armageddon can only be a few posts away. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Why I won't be buying a K20D.......yet!
On Thu, 8 May 2008 04:21:10 -0400, J. C. O'Connell wrote I bet the reason why is because TCs suck in general and really suck the big one on APS sensored cameras. jco mwahahaha.. 8) The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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David Savage wrote: Those people are retarded. It's not Pentax's fault that an unsupported 3rd part accessory's doesn't work. It's not even the 3rd-party manufacturer's fault: The teleconverters they're complaining about were designed before the shake reduction system was even invented! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, 08 May 2008 08:05:17 -0400, Mark Roberts wrote David Savage wrote: Those people are retarded. It's not Pentax's fault that an unsupported 3rd part accessory's doesn't work. It's not even the 3rd-party manufacturer's fault: The teleconverters they're complaining about were designed before the shake reduction system was even invented! Yeah, that's fare comment. The problem's been bugging me for a while and I stumbled across the thread whilst looking for solutions..andthe red mist descended. I've got the A2X-S out this morning but I'm too busy the next few days to go and test things out. John The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The A2X-S is one of the best converters I've run across. And it will at least transmit aperture information. Paul On May 8, 2008, at 3:27 AM, John Whittingham wrote: OK...OK...enough. It would just be nice to have the two EX converters I have work effectively with the shake reduction feature, especially being as Pentax don't *currently* have a teleconverter in production. Looks like I'm left covering up pin 7 on the EX Tc's and perhaps digging out the A 2X-S and giving that I try. It's a PITA that I have a 70-200/2.8 and 1.4x Tc and I can't use AF or SR. I need some longer lenses. Regards, John On Thu, 8 May 2008 10:53:00 +0800, David Savage wrote Those people are retarded. It's not Pentax's fault that an unsupported 3rd part accessory's doesn't work. Cheers, Dave -- -- The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why I won't be buying a K20D.......yet!
Here's a shot with the A500/5.6 and the A2X-S converter on the K20D. Minor fringing in the background, but that could be fixed if I wasn't so lazy :-). Converters aren't perfect but the A2X-S is a very good one. And, despite what someone here said, it works just as well on APS-C as it does on a full frame film camera. Why wouldn't it? Paul http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7053676size=lg On May 8, 2008, at 8:26 AM, John Whittingham wrote: On Thu, 08 May 2008 08:05:17 -0400, Mark Roberts wrote David Savage wrote: Those people are retarded. It's not Pentax's fault that an unsupported 3rd part accessory's doesn't work. It's not even the 3rd-party manufacturer's fault: The teleconverters they're complaining about were designed before the shake reduction system was even invented! Yeah, that's fare comment. The problem's been bugging me for a while and I stumbled across the thread whilst looking for solutions..andthe red mist descended. I've got the A2X-S out this morning but I'm too busy the next few days to go and test things out. John -- -- The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Make that the A400/5.6 and the A2X-S converter. Damn keys:-). On May 8, 2008, at 9:12 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Here's a shot with the A500/5.6 and the A2X-S converter on the K20D. Minor fringing in the background, but that could be fixed if I wasn't so lazy :-). Converters aren't perfect but the A2X-S is a very good one. And, despite what someone here said, it works just as well on APS-C as it does on a full frame film camera. Why wouldn't it? Paul http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7053676size=lg On May 8, 2008, at 8:26 AM, John Whittingham wrote: On Thu, 08 May 2008 08:05:17 -0400, Mark Roberts wrote David Savage wrote: Those people are retarded. It's not Pentax's fault that an unsupported 3rd part accessory's doesn't work. It's not even the 3rd-party manufacturer's fault: The teleconverters they're complaining about were designed before the shake reduction system was even invented! Yeah, that's fare comment. The problem's been bugging me for a while and I stumbled across the thread whilst looking for solutions..andthe red mist descended. I've got the A2X-S out this morning but I'm too busy the next few days to go and test things out. John - - -- The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. - - -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, 8 May 2008 09:12:00 -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote Here's a shot with the A500/5.6 and the A2X-S converter on the K20D. Minor fringing in the background, but that could be fixed if I wasn't so lazy :-). That's a really nice shot Paul. Converters aren't perfect but the A2X-S is a very good one. And, despite what someone here said, it works just as well on APS-C as it does on a full frame film camera. Why wouldn't it? Paul I know that, you know that, but. In fact in some respects it works better due to the crop factor. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7053676size=lg Regards, John The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, 8 May 2008 09:00:02 -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote The A2X-S is one of the best converters I've run across. And it will at least transmit aperture information. Paul Yes that's what I'm hoping for, but I can't help think that the *dedicated* Sigma EX converters would be a better choice. What I'm really curious about is, if I cover the digital whateveritscalled pin (pin 7) do I still get AF, that could be useful with the 70-200/2.8 and 1.4 EX. I'd probably switch to manual focus anyway using the 300/4 with 2x converters as the aperture would effectively be f/8, although in good light my MZ-3 would AF with 300/4 and 2x EX. Regards, John. The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2008/5/8 Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Make that the A400/5.6 and the A2X-S converter. Damn keys:-). Be honest...it's really the alcohol isn't it? :-) Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Not in the morning. At night it's the alcohol:-). Paul On May 8, 2008, at 9:46 AM, David Savage wrote: 2008/5/8 Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Make that the A400/5.6 and the A2X-S converter. Damn keys:-). Be honest...it's really the alcohol isn't it? :-) Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd probably switch to manual focus anyway using the 300/4 with 2x converters as the aperture would effectively be f/8, although in good light my MZ-3 would AF with 300/4 and 2x EX. They don't build 'em like that any more. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, 8 May 2008 14:40:42 +, mike wilson wrote From: John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd probably switch to manual focus anyway using the 300/4 with 2x converters as the aperture would effectively be f/8, although in good light my MZ-3 would AF with 300/4 and 2x EX. They don't build 'em like that any more. You used to have to feed it some strange stuff, film they called it IIRC, cost a small fortune 8) John The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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BECAUSE ON A FULL FRAME CAMERA YOUR IMAGE IS OVER TWICE AS BIG AND YOU DONT HAVE TO ENLARGE IT NEARLY AS MUCH FOR THE SAME SIZE PRINT. I.E. YOUR TOTAL LINES RECORDED EFFECTIVE INCREASE IN BOTH AXIS BY 50% APS DEMANDS THE VERY FINEST LENSES FOR BEST RESULTS COMPARED TO FF JCO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:12 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Why I won't be buying a K20D...yet! Here's a shot with the A500/5.6 and the A2X-S converter on the K20D. Minor fringing in the background, but that could be fixed if I wasn't so lazy :-). Converters aren't perfect but the A2X-S is a very good one. And, despite what someone here said, it works just as well on APS-C as it does on a full frame film camera. Why wouldn't it? Paul http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7053676size=lg On May 8, 2008, at 8:26 AM, John Whittingham wrote: On Thu, 08 May 2008 08:05:17 -0400, Mark Roberts wrote David Savage wrote: Those people are retarded. It's not Pentax's fault that an unsupported 3rd part accessory's doesn't work. It's not even the 3rd-party manufacturer's fault: The teleconverters they're complaining about were designed before the shake reduction system was even invented! Yeah, that's fare comment. The problem's been bugging me for a while and I stumbled across the thread whilst looking for solutions..andthe red mist descended. I've got the A2X-S out this morning but I'm too busy the next few days to go and test things out. John -- -- The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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John Whittingham wrote: On Thu, 8 May 2008 14:40:42 +, mike wilson wrote From: John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd probably switch to manual focus anyway using the 300/4 with 2x converters as the aperture would effectively be f/8, although in good light my MZ-3 would AF with 300/4 and 2x EX. They don't build 'em like that any more. You used to have to feed it some strange stuff, film they called it IIRC, cost a small fortune 8) The good drugs always cost more. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2008/5/8 Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED]: John Whittingham wrote: You used to have to feed it some strange stuff, film they called it IIRC, cost a small fortune 8) The good drugs always cost more. Scott you're still a young man with a bright future. Just say no. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I use one with the A50/2.8 Macro to achieve 1:1 magnification and a bit more working space. It's a darn good converter. Godfrey On May 8, 2008, at 6:00 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: The A2X-S is one of the best converters I've run across. And it will at least transmit aperture information. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW: I noticed one of the regulars has posted a 359 x 536 pixel image to demonstrate how teleconverters don't degrade image quality. Gad, these people *are* worse the DP Review forum crowd... I saw 1 post about a guy saying how poor his K10D was focusing. As i am having some problems now, i had a look. His posted image was at 1/4 second shutter speed, hand held, no SR, with a long lens. Then it hit me, stay here.:-) Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mark Roberts wrote: Bob Sullivan wrote: John, Several points... 1) Don't buy some 3rd party lens and then whine about it not working. 2) The Pentax A1.4X, A2.0X, and AF1.7X don't transmit focal lengths. You set them at the appropriate multiplied lengths. I've used the A200/4 and AF1.7X at a set 350mm focal length - works great! This poster complaint about the K10D shows his ignorance or fictional usage. 3) Maybe you should buy a point and shoot and give up on Pentax, maybe it's not for you. 4) pentaxforums is a load of pond scum. Read it if you want to be confused. 6) Teleconverters are evil, anyway. (Yes, I sometimes use one myself, but only as a last resort.) 7) Real Photographers don't use SR ;-) - T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 8/5/08, Toralf Lund, discombobulated, unleashed: 7) Real Photographers don't use SR ;-) They use IS. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Den 8. mai. 2008 kl. 22.43 skrev Cotty: On 8/5/08, Toralf Lund, discombobulated, unleashed: 7) Real Photographers don't use SR ;-) They use IS. In that case they need it, as they can´t get any lens faster than 2.0 with IS, and nothing better than 2.8 if you don´t have a lot of money .-) DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On May 8, 2008, at 1:54 PM, DagT wrote: Den 8. mai. 2008 kl. 22.43 skrev Cotty: On 8/5/08, Toralf Lund, discombobulated, unleashed: 7) Real Photographers don't use SR ;-) They use IS. In that case they need it, as they can´t get any lens faster than 2.0 with IS, and nothing better than 2.8 if you don´t have a lot of money .-) One hardly needs IS with lenses of f/2 and faster speed, at least if they're not 150mm or longer. One can't lift a 300mm f/2 lens anyway, so it will always be a tripod mounted lens and won't need IS either. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Cotty wrote: On 8/5/08, Toralf Lund, discombobulated, unleashed: 7) Real Photographers don't use SR ;-) They use IS. Insufferable Snideness? Increased Spending? Illusions of Superiority? Irrational Sensations? I'm stumped. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Den 8. mai. 2008 kl. 23.11 skrev Godfrey DiGiorgi: On May 8, 2008, at 1:54 PM, DagT wrote: Den 8. mai. 2008 kl. 22.43 skrev Cotty: On 8/5/08, Toralf Lund, discombobulated, unleashed: 7) Real Photographers don't use SR ;-) They use IS. In that case they need it, as they can´t get any lens faster than 2.0 with IS, and nothing better than 2.8 if you don´t have a lot of money .-) One hardly needs IS with lenses of f/2 and faster speed, at least if they're not 150mm or longer. One can't lift a 300mm f/2 lens anyway, so it will always be a tripod mounted lens and won't need IS either. I disagree, or at least I find SR to be very useful with shorter lenses and wider apertures. My pug portrait last month was taken with FA50mm @ 1:1.4, hand held at 1/30s. I also have sharp pictures taken without a tripod with DA14mm @ 1/4s http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=336893 and DA16-50 @ 16mm and 1/8s http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=353011 For me SR has been the most useful new feature since the image sensors. DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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DagT, Beautiful photos. I agree on the 50/1.4, I found SR much useful too On 5/8/08, DagT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Den 8. mai. 2008 kl. 23.11 skrev Godfrey DiGiorgi: On May 8, 2008, at 1:54 PM, DagT wrote: Den 8. mai. 2008 kl. 22.43 skrev Cotty: On 8/5/08, Toralf Lund, discombobulated, unleashed: 7) Real Photographers don't use SR ;-) They use IS. In that case they need it, as they can´t get any lens faster than 2.0 with IS, and nothing better than 2.8 if you don´t have a lot of money .-) One hardly needs IS with lenses of f/2 and faster speed, at least if they're not 150mm or longer. One can't lift a 300mm f/2 lens anyway, so it will always be a tripod mounted lens and won't need IS either. I disagree, or at least I find SR to be very useful with shorter lenses and wider apertures. My pug portrait last month was taken with FA50mm @ 1:1.4, hand held at 1/30s. I also have sharp pictures taken without a tripod with DA14mm @ 1/4s http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=336893 and DA16-50 @ 16mm and 1/8s http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=353011 For me SR has been the most useful new feature since the image sensors. DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/ferand/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 8/5/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Insufferable Snideness? Increased Spending? Illusions of Superiority? Irrational Sensations? I'm stumped. Itinerant Snappers. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On May 8, 2008, at 2:23 PM, DagT wrote: One hardly needs IS with lenses of f/2 and faster speed, at least if they're not 150mm or longer. One can't lift a 300mm f/2 lens anyway, so it will always be a tripod mounted lens and won't need IS either. I disagree, or at least I find SR to be very useful with shorter lenses and wider apertures. My pug portrait last month was taken with FA50mm @ 1:1.4, hand held at 1/30s. I also have sharp pictures taken without a tripod with DA14mm @ 1/4s http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=336893 and DA16-50 @ 16mm and 1/8s http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=353011 For me SR has been the most useful new feature since the image sensors. There's no argument about IS being useful. What I said was need ... it's not a necessity. BTW, I've gotten good sharp photos with both the DA14 @ 1/4 second and a 50mm lens at 1/30 second hand-held without IS too. Can't tell the difference between them and with IS in many cases. I *can* tell the difference when I put the camera on a tripod, however ... Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On May 8, 2008, at 2:32 PM, Cotty wrote: On 8/5/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Insufferable Snideness? Increased Spending? Illusions of Superiority? Irrational Sensations? I'm stumped. Itinerant Snappers. Itchy Sumbitches G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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BTW, Dag: really nice photos! :-) G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/5/08, Toralf Lund, discombobulated, unleashed: 7) Real Photographers don't use SR ;-) They use IS. Sorry, VR.:-) Dave -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Fernando wrote: DagT, Beautiful photos. I agree on the 50/1.4, I found SR much useful too Well, if you want the depth-of-field that you get from f/1.4 or f/1.2 you have to use an f/1.4 or f/1.2 lens. And SR is still nice then because it lets you shoot in low light and/or low ISO. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cotty wrote: On 8/5/08, Toralf Lund, discombobulated, unleashed: 7) Real Photographers don't use SR ;-) They use IS. Insufferable Snideness? Increased Spending? Illusions of Superiority? Irrational Sensations? I'm stumped. THATS IT. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yep, TCs suck big time, why there's almost no detail in this shot and it's so soft that I can just barely make out the bird http://www.mindspring.com/~distilfink/PESO%20--%20theegretislanding.html John Whittingham wrote: On Thu, 8 May 2008 04:21:10 -0400, J. C. O'Connell wrote I bet the reason why is because TCs suck in general and really suck the big one on APS sensored cameras. jco mwahahaha.. 8) The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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P. J. Alling wrote: Yep, TCs suck big time, why there's almost no detail in this shot and it's so soft that I can just barely make out the bird Perhaps I should have mentioned that this was shot with the A* 300 f4.0 and the AF 1.7x adapter, for those who don't remember or never saw it to begin with. http://www.mindspring.com/~distilfink/PESO%20--%20theegretislanding.html John Whittingham wrote: On Thu, 8 May 2008 04:21:10 -0400, J. C. O'Connell wrote I bet the reason why is because TCs suck in general and really suck the big one on APS sensored cameras. jco mwahahaha.. 8) The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Nope, if your cover the digital pin you get an A lens, as far as Pentax DSLRs are concerned. John Whittingham wrote: On Thu, 8 May 2008 09:00:02 -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote The A2X-S is one of the best converters I've run across. And it will at least transmit aperture information. Paul Yes that's what I'm hoping for, but I can't help think that the *dedicated* Sigma EX converters would be a better choice. What I'm really curious about is, if I cover the digital whateveritscalled pin (pin 7) do I still get AF, that could be useful with the 70-200/2.8 and 1.4 EX. I'd probably switch to manual focus anyway using the 300/4 with 2x converters as the aperture would effectively be f/8, although in good light my MZ-3 would AF with 300/4 and 2x EX. Regards, John. The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/05/08 Thu PM 09:56:35 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Why I won't be buying a K20D...yet! On May 8, 2008, at 2:32 PM, Cotty wrote: On 8/5/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Insufferable Snideness? Increased Spending? Illusions of Superiority? Irrational Sensations? I'm stumped. Itinerant Snappers. Itchy Sumbitches Integrated spasticity. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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John Whittingham wrote: http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-discussion/24491-k20d- teleconverters.html Wow. I take back everything I've ever said about DP Review people being neurotic! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mark Roberts wrote: John Whittingham wrote: http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-discussion/24491-k20d- teleconverters.html Wow. I take back everything I've ever said about DP Review people being neurotic! Holy cow! Somebody tell JCO. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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John, Several points... 1) Don't buy some 3rd party lens and then whine about it not working. 2) The Pentax A1.4X, A2.0X, and AF1.7X don't transmit focal lengths. You set them at the appropriate multiplied lengths. I've used the A200/4 and AF1.7X at a set 350mm focal length - works great! This poster complaint about the K10D shows his ignorance or fictional usage. 3) Maybe you should buy a point and shoot and give up on Pentax, maybe it's not for you. 4) pentaxforums is a load of pond scum. Read it if you want to be confused. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 2:31 PM, John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-discussion/24491-k20d- teleconverters.html John The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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They're complaining about a third party TC? Dorks! John Whittingham wrote: http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-discussion/24491-k20d- teleconverters.html John The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob Sullivan wrote: John, Several points... 1) Don't buy some 3rd party lens and then whine about it not working. 2) The Pentax A1.4X, A2.0X, and AF1.7X don't transmit focal lengths. You set them at the appropriate multiplied lengths. I've used the A200/4 and AF1.7X at a set 350mm focal length - works great! This poster complaint about the K10D shows his ignorance or fictional usage. 3) Maybe you should buy a point and shoot and give up on Pentax, maybe it's not for you. 4) pentaxforums is a load of pond scum. Read it if you want to be confused. 6) Teleconverters are evil, anyway. (Yes, I sometimes use one myself, but only as a last resort.) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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And your point? Same as the K10D. It won't transfer teleconverter information. But that's because all Pentax teleconverters are basically dumb. But I use one all the time with my A400/5.6. I just dial in the number manually. I still get shake reduction, and I don't really want autofocus with long lenses. It's relatively useless for most long lens applications. Pentax forum posts are generally written in dumbspeak and have to be translated. Paul On May 7, 2008, at 3:31 PM, John Whittingham wrote: http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-discussion/24491-k20d- teleconverters.html John -- -- The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Actually the Pentax Forum Trogs are complaining because a /Thrid Party/ autofocusing TC is smart enough to pass on the digital data but not smart enough to convert the FL data when it does. They can't dial in the FL because the camera already ha it. However I cannot see how that is Pentax's fault. It's the fault of the TC maker. Paul Stenquist wrote: And your point? Same as the K10D. It won't transfer teleconverter information. But that's because all Pentax teleconverters are basically dumb. But I use one all the time with my A400/5.6. I just dial in the number manually. I still get shake reduction, and I don't really want autofocus with long lenses. It's relatively useless for most long lens applications. Pentax forum posts are generally written in dumbspeak and have to be translated. Paul On May 7, 2008, at 3:31 PM, John Whittingham wrote: http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-discussion/24491-k20d- teleconverters.html John -- -- The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Why I won't be buying a K20D.......yet!
On Wed, May 07, 2008 at 03:45:15PM -0500, Bob Sullivan wrote: John, Several points... 1) Don't buy some 3rd party lens and then whine about it not working. Quite. The K10D (and K20D, I assume) work just fine with every piece of Pentax equipment I own, including the TCs (A1.4, A2.0, and AF 1.7), albeit at a loss of auto-focus capabilities, and with manual setting of the focal length for SR (which is tedious for zoom lenses). If I use my Sigma TCs I can keep AF (haven't experimented with any SDM lenses yet, though), but I have to turn off SR (or live with the fact that SR will compensate based on the wrong focal length). C'est la vie. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: John Whittingham Subject: Why I won't be buying a K20D...yet! http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-discussion/24491-k20d- teleconverters.html I guess I'm just lucky. I use neither teleconverters or zoom lenses, except on very rare occassions, and those times I have a tripod under the rig. What a bunch of babbling noncompoops. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan Subject: Re: Why I won't be buying a K20D...yet! 4) pentaxforums is a load of pond scum. Read it if you want to be confused. Nah, I'm redirecting the vitriol I used to reserve for Alling and O'Connell onto those dorks. It's very refreshing. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan 4) pentaxforums is a load of pond scum. Read it if you want to be confused. Nah, I'm redirecting the vitriol I used to reserve for Alling and O'Connell onto those dorks. It's very refreshing. Good show, William! BTW: I noticed one of the regulars has posted a 359 x 536 pixel image to demonstrate how teleconverters don't degrade image quality. Gad, these people *are* worse the DP Review forum crowd... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Mark Roberts Subject: Re: Why I won't be buying a K20D...yet! Good show, William! I've been feeling really pent up lately. I probably haven't picked a fight with anyone for a year or more. BTW: I noticed one of the regulars has posted a 359 x 536 pixel image to demonstrate how teleconverters don't degrade image quality. Gad, these people *are* worse the DP Review forum crowd... Everything is sharp at that size. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Those people are retarded. It's not Pentax's fault that an unsupported 3rd part accessory's doesn't work. Cheers, Dave 2008/5/8 John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-discussion/24491-k20d- teleconverters.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
