Re: Windows 7 End of Life

[ann sanfedele]

good to know -- I though I had read someone with win 7 (or at least not 
win 10) had problems ..

I'm mainly concerned with it messing with my format

ann

On 2/6/2020 11:33 AM, John wrote:

On 2/5/2020 12:38:39, ann sanfedele wrote:

Thunderbird wants me to up grade for 'better speed and privacy" but 
I'm saying no to that..


ann



Thunderbird updates have been fairly well behaved for me. I do 
plain-text email only and none of the updates have ever tried to 
change my settings.


I've had compatibility issues a few times with Firefox updates, but 
never with Thunderbird.




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Re: Windows 7 End of Life

[Henk Terhell]

I'm still running the original Freecell on Windows 10. All it needs is 
cards.dll driver and I have copied this on each time I got a new PC.


Henk

Op 2020-02-06 om 17:30 schreef John:

On 2/5/2020 18:57:55, Bill wrote:

On 2/5/2020 5:06 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
I ran XP up until a few weeks ago with no issues even though it went 
unsupported for a few years.




My home entertainment computer is still running Windows 7. I figure 
as long as I keep an updated antivirus/malware program on it there 
won't be any major problems.
I still have an XP computer, but I haven't fired it up for years. I 
wish I could get Win 7 to run as if it was XP. I have a couple of 
games I like that won't run on Win 7 or later.


bill



There used to be a XP compatibility mode that was meant for just that 
problem.


https://www.pcworld.com/article/255507/run_xp_software_in_windows_7.html

I had a laptop that originally came with "Vista" and I hated the 
versions of the games that came with it (Spider, FreeCell, Solitaire 
...) so I just copied the XP versions and added them to the 
Windows/System folder.


They worked fine. And they still work fine on 64-bit Windows 7.

They worked so well that just now is the first time I ever looked to 
see if Windows 7 included games of its own.


If Micro$oft doesn't have a clue, I bet there's other fans of that 
particular game who had the same problem and somewhere out on the 
interwebbys there's instructions on how to get them to work under 
Windows 7.





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Re: Windows 7 End of Life

[John]

On 2/5/2020 12:38:39, ann sanfedele wrote:

Thunderbird wants me to up grade for 'better speed and privacy" but I'm saying 
no to that..


ann



Thunderbird updates have been fairly well behaved for me. I do plain-text email 
only and none of the updates have ever tried to change my settings.


I've had compatibility issues a few times with Firefox updates, but never with 
Thunderbird.


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Re: Windows 7 End of Life

[John]

On 2/5/2020 18:57:55, Bill wrote:

On 2/5/2020 5:06 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
I ran XP up until a few weeks ago with no issues even though it went 
unsupported for a few years.




My home entertainment computer is still running Windows 7. I figure as long as I 
keep an updated antivirus/malware program on it there won't be any major problems.
I still have an XP computer, but I haven't fired it up for years. I wish I could 
get Win 7 to run as if it was XP. I have a couple of games I like that won't run 
on Win 7 or later.


bill



There used to be a XP compatibility mode that was meant for just that problem.

https://www.pcworld.com/article/255507/run_xp_software_in_windows_7.html

I had a laptop that originally came with "Vista" and I hated the versions of the 
games that came with it (Spider, FreeCell, Solitaire ...) so I just copied the 
XP versions and added them to the Windows/System folder.


They worked fine. And they still work fine on 64-bit Windows 7.

They worked so well that just now is the first time I ever looked to see if 
Windows 7 included games of its own.


If Micro$oft doesn't have a clue, I bet there's other fans of that particular 
game who had the same problem and somewhere out on the interwebbys there's 
instructions on how to get them to work under Windows 7.


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Re: Windows 7 End of Life

[Bill]

On 2/5/2020 5:06 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

I ran XP up until a few weeks ago with no issues even though it went 
unsupported for a few years.



My home entertainment computer is still running Windows 7. I figure as 
long as I keep an updated antivirus/malware program on it there won't be 
any major problems.
I still have an XP computer, but I haven't fired it up for years. I wish 
I could get Win 7 to run as if it was XP. I have a couple of games I 
like that won't run on Win 7 or later.


bill

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Re: Windows 7 End of Life

[Ken Waller]

I ran XP up until a few weeks ago with no issues even though it went 
unsupported for a few years.



-Original Message-
>From: "Dale H. Cook" 
>Sent: Feb 5, 2020 12:41 PM
>To: pdml@pdml.net
>Subject: Re: Windows 7 End of Life
>
>I still use Win7 Pro 64 bit on my laptop and will continue to do so for 
>the foreseeable future. I don't depend upon Microsoft for security - I 
>depend upon my own non-Microsoft firewall, antivirus, anti malware, and 
>anti ransomware.
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Re: Windows 7 End of Life

[John]

On 2/5/2020 12:44:07, jtainter wrote:

John wrote:

"I'm looking for an OS that will allow me to continue to use Photoshop CS6
(standalone). Right now it looks like a "Virtual Machine" running Windows 7
on a Linux box is going be the answer."

>

Does Photoshop 6 not work on Windows 10? Anyone?

Thanks,

Joe



It was Windoze10 that wouldn't work. Attempting to install & use it was a 
disaster so large that I reverted to Windows 7 and refuse to have anything more 
to do with Windoze10.


YMMV.


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Re: Windows 7 End of Life

[John]

On 2/5/2020 12:11:54, William R wrote:

On Wed, 5 Feb 2020, 11:00 am John,  wrote:


Might have been me. I'm looking for an OS that will allow me to continue
to use
Photoshop CS6 (standalone). Right now it looks like a "Virtual Machine"
running
Windows 7 on a Linux box is going be the answer.

Windoze10 ain't gonna happen on my computers.



You sure like to complicate things for no apparent reason.



Tried to install Windoze10 during the nagware period. It was a disaster. 
Micro$oft pissed me off. I hold a grudge.


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Re: Windows 7 End of Life

[jtainter]

John wrote:

"I'm looking for an OS that will allow me to continue to use Photoshop CS6 
(standalone). Right now it looks like a "Virtual Machine" running Windows 7 on 
a Linux box is going be the answer."

Does Photoshop 6 not work on Windows 10? Anyone?

Thanks,

Joe

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Re: Windows 7 End of Life

[Dale H. Cook]

I still use Win7 Pro 64 bit on my laptop and will continue to do so for 
the foreseeable future. I don't depend upon Microsoft for security - I 
depend upon my own non-Microsoft firewall, antivirus, anti malware, and 
anti ransomware.

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Re: Windows 7 End of Life

[ann sanfedele]

It was me, initially..
but I got a lot of support for not worrying about it.. that is, I will 
continue with win 7 pro.  If things get dicey, I wouldn't do an upgrade 
to my current desktop, I'd get another computer with Win 10 installed 
.   Hopefully, I can avoid it for a long time..


I'm only connected through cable to the internet, have no smart phone 
and no wifi, email set to plain text, etc..


Thunderbird wants me to up grade for 'better speed and privacy" but I'm 
saying no to that..


ann

On 2/4/2020 8:07 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote:
A week or so ago someone wrote about a concern with Win 7 support 
ending and upgrading to Win 10 - Ann, was that you?


Anyhow - for anyone who might be interested - although MicroSoft 
supposedly ended the free Win 10 upgrade in 2016, this article 
describes a way to still get the Win 10 upgrade free.  Might be worth 
checking out.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2020/02/04/how-to-upgrade-to-windows-10-for-free-in-2020/#1cf9e83475ff 



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Re: Windows 7 End of Life

[Bulent Celasun]

You may consider giving a try first to Wine (and Wine-tricks)
before/instead of VM solution.
Or, try both before deciding. You can then compare their performance
with each other.

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John , 5 Şub 2020 Çar, 20:00 tarihinde şunu yazdı:
>
> Might have been me. I'm looking for an OS that will allow me to continue to 
> use
> Photoshop CS6 (standalone). Right now it looks like a "Virtual Machine" 
> running
> Windows 7 on a Linux box is going be the answer.
>
> Windoze10 ain't gonna happen on my computers.
>
> On 2/4/2020 20:07:42, Paul Sorenson wrote:
> > A week or so ago someone wrote about a concern with Win 7 support ending and
> > upgrading to Win 10 - Ann, was that you?
> >
> > Anyhow - for anyone who might be interested - although MicroSoft supposedly
> > ended the free Win 10 upgrade in 2016, this article describes a way to 
> > still get
> > the Win 10 upgrade free.  Might be worth checking out.
> >
> > https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2020/02/04/how-to-upgrade-to-windows-10-for-free-in-2020/#1cf9e83475ff
> >
> >
> > -p
> >
>
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Re: Windows 7 End of Life

[William R]

On Wed, 5 Feb 2020, 11:00 am John,  wrote:

> Might have been me. I'm looking for an OS that will allow me to continue
> to use
> Photoshop CS6 (standalone). Right now it looks like a "Virtual Machine"
> running
> Windows 7 on a Linux box is going be the answer.
>
> Windoze10 ain't gonna happen on my computers.
>

You sure like to complicate things for no apparent reason.

>
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Re: Windows 7 End of Life

[Nolan Hinshaw]

On Feb 5, 2020, at 08:59, John  wrote:
> 
> Might have been me. I'm looking for an OS that will allow me to continue to 
> use Photoshop CS6 (standalone). Right now it looks like a "Virtual Machine" 
> running Windows 7 on a Linux box is going be the answer.
> 
> Windoze10 ain't gonna happen on my computers.

WINE[0] allowa you to run well-behaved[1] Window$ applications without a shred 
of µ$oft code anywhere on your system. I'm extremely $ati$fied with the 
performance on my 9-year-old Macbook Pro.

[0] "WINE Is Not an Emulator" is your friend; if you do not wish to compile it 
yourself, Crossover from Codeweavers.com is the easy way to do it.
[1] makes calls only to the µ$oft published Application Binary Interface (ABI) 
and not to the sekrit ABI or the BIOS
— 
FUNEM
SVFM
FUNEX
SVFX
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Re: Windows 7 End of Life

[John]

Might have been me. I'm looking for an OS that will allow me to continue to use 
Photoshop CS6 (standalone). Right now it looks like a "Virtual Machine" running 
Windows 7 on a Linux box is going be the answer.


Windoze10 ain't gonna happen on my computers.

On 2/4/2020 20:07:42, Paul Sorenson wrote:
A week or so ago someone wrote about a concern with Win 7 support ending and 
upgrading to Win 10 - Ann, was that you?


Anyhow - for anyone who might be interested - although MicroSoft supposedly 
ended the free Win 10 upgrade in 2016, this article describes a way to still get 
the Win 10 upgrade free.  Might be worth checking out.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2020/02/04/how-to-upgrade-to-windows-10-for-free-in-2020/#1cf9e83475ff 



-p




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Re: Windows tech knowledge guys - regarding Adobe Flash HELP

[ann sanfedele]

Thanks Igor, good to know hopefully I won't need it :-)
ann

On 10/6/2017 9:25 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:


Ann:

You may not need this, - but just in case:
I believe someone has mentioned, - Firefox has disabled Flash in their 
browser, and IIRC, in some cases you need to change some settings to 
allow

it running.

Choose Firefox > Tools > Add-ons. Open the Add-ons dialog box.
Select Plugins.
In the list of Add-ons, look for Shockwave Flash (another name for 
Flash Player) and check the status that appears to the right of the 
plug-in name. Shockwave Flash could be disabled.


Don't set it to "Always" but rather to "ask to activate". This way you 
can run it only when needed, avoiding malware and annoying Flash-based 
ads.



As for the browsers, - instead of Chrome, I personally prefer Slimjet.
It is using the same web engine and very similar features, sans Big 
Google's snooping.




Paul:

With cable modems, you typically see the signal strength via browser, 
by going to http://192.168.100.1/


HTH,

Igor



Paul Sorenson Thu, 05 Oct 2017 07:45:06 -0700 wrote:

Thanks for that link, Eric.  Do you (or anyone else) know of a link 
that will measure/record signal strength in dB?  Spectrum in our area 
just gave me an upgrade to 100mb down and 10mb up, but I continue to 
have an issue with signal strength that causes the modem to completely 
drop both phone and internet.  Spectrum offers the fastest speed, but 
one needs to have some reliability as well.



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Re: Windows tech knowledge guys - regarding Adobe Flash HELP

[Igor PDML-StR]

Ann:

You may not need this, - but just in case:
I believe someone has mentioned, - Firefox has disabled Flash in their 
browser, and IIRC, in some cases you need to change some settings to allow

it running.

Choose Firefox > Tools > Add-ons. Open the Add-ons dialog box.
Select Plugins.
In the list of Add-ons, look for Shockwave Flash (another name for Flash 
Player) and check the status that appears to the right of the plug-in 
name. Shockwave Flash could be disabled.


Don't set it to "Always" but rather to "ask to activate". This way you can 
run it only when needed, avoiding malware and annoying Flash-based ads.



As for the browsers, - instead of Chrome, I personally prefer Slimjet.
It is using the same web engine and very similar features, sans Big 
Google's snooping.




Paul:

With cable modems, you typically see the signal strength via browser, by 
going to http://192.168.100.1/


HTH,

Igor



Paul Sorenson Thu, 05 Oct 2017 07:45:06 -0700 wrote:

Thanks for that link, Eric.  Do you (or anyone else) know of a link that 
will measure/record signal strength in dB?  Spectrum in our area just gave 
me an upgrade to 100mb down and 10mb up, but I continue to have an issue 
with signal strength that causes the modem to completely drop both phone 
and internet.  Spectrum offers the fastest speed, but one needs to have 
some reliability as well.



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Re: Windows tech knowledge guys - regarding Adobe Flash HELP

[John]

That's why I have my own router/firewall that plugs into the modem. The router 
sorts out the DHCP from the modem, while I have static IPs on my network.

On 10/5/2017 17:03, Paul Sorenson wrote:

So...here's another Spectrum conundrum for you...I have a 3TB NAS that's 
supposed to work with DHCP.  But when you set it up to get a dynamic IP address 
it works for a while, then drops off-line, requiring a re-boot to get it back.  
The known work-around is to set it up with a static IP address.  Do that and 
it's stable. But...here's the kicker...Spectrum will not let you set up static 
IP addresses on their modem/router unless you pay extra to subscribe their 
their wireless service.

-p


On 10/5/2017 3:42 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

sounds like I should just keep away from it... - I got my new modem...  I wont 
ahve to run a speed test if it speeds up :-)

thanks, Bruce!

ann

On 10/5/2017 12:55 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Flash is dead. It's in legacy mode and will disappear completely soon
enough. It generally doesn't run at all on mobile devices, and web
browsers have it disabled by default, a pretty strong hint to avoid
using it.

Cue the MP parrot thread ...


On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 12:49 PM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:

I'm not a big fan of flash, and Adobe tried, really tried, to turn it into a
web development language, but it's still a solution in search of a problem.



On 10/5/2017 12:15 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

eric I did that -- it said i needed tha latest version and didn't have
it..
I never use explorer

but since pj sent a link.. I'll try

On 10/5/2017 11:48 AM, Eric Featherstone wrote:

It worked for me in chrome and firefox, but in internet explorer the
result page didn't work - just blank white.

try your spectrum website speed test with chrome perhaps? That should
should already have flash built-in.

Eric.

On 5 October 2017 at 16:34, ann sanfedele  wrote:

coldn't get  that speed test to work for me, Eric
ann


On 10/5/2017 8:42 AM, Eric Featherstone wrote:


On 5 October 2017 at 14:25, ann sanfedele  wrote:

I thought I had adobe flash but apparently not - I tried to do a
speed
test
on Spectrum web site and it says it needs
Adobe Flash.. yesterday it gave me a plug in to click on.. today I
get
nada.

The speed tester at : http://beta.speedtest.net/
doesn't require flash, so you should be good to go.
(Their legacy speedtest page does require flash, so don't bother with
that.)



I have windoze 7 pro - where is it safe to gather and install it to
use
on
either or both Firefox and chrome?

FWIW Chrome has flash built in, and when chrome auto-updates it also
updates its version of flash. Personally I'm reluctant to install
flash other than as part of chrome for that reason.







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Re: Windows tech knowledge guys - regarding Adobe Flash HELP

[Paul Stenquist]

Well then, no wifi! Carry on ! :-)

Paul via phone

> On Oct 5, 2017, at 9:35 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> I don't want Wi_FI.I have a flip phone that is used only for talk and 
> very occasional text between phones -- no
> web access at all. ... I feel cable only connection to the web is safer - I 
> only go on line from my lovely big Hp desktop.
> ands my TV is only a TV -it isn't "smart".
> 
> simplify, simplify, simplify :-)
> 
> ann the happy old schooler
> 
>> On 10/5/2017 9:23 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> I missed some of this thread, do my question may be a repeat. Why no wifi? 
>> You have a cell?
>> 
>> Paul via phone
>> 
>>> On Oct 5, 2017, at 8:23 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>>> 
>>> well - after an hour on the phone with Spectrum tech gal (who gets a gold 
>>> star , btw) because my auto set up didn't work - I have lovely high speed 
>>> now and a fully functional modem WITHOUT wi-fi.  Before getting this new 
>>> modem
>>> I had my very own modem, for the last  um year or so, to save the time 
>>> warner charges, but all the set up stuff
>>> on line assumed I had a time warner modem that I had yet to return.
>>> 
>>> catch 22  but eventually the young lady worked it out - a herculean task 
>>> I'm sure.  When it finally did get going
>>> the three little blue lights at the bottom of the modem were no longer.  
>>> WI-fi disabled and all is right with the world.
>>> I kinda liked finally convincing her that if things were working properly 
>>> those little blue lights next to 2.4G,5.4G and MoCA should be off.
>>> 
>>> ann
>>> 
 On 10/5/2017 5:03 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote:
 So...here's another Spectrum conundrum for you...I have a 3TB NAS that's 
 supposed to work with DHCP.  But when you set it up to get a dynamic IP 
 address it works for a while, then drops off-line, requiring a re-boot to 
 get it back.  The known work-around is to set it up with a static IP 
 address.  Do that and it's stable. But...here's the kicker...Spectrum will 
 not let you set up static IP addresses on their modem/router unless you 
 pay extra to subscribe their their wireless service.
 
 -p
 
 
> On 10/5/2017 3:42 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
> sounds like I should just keep away from it... - I got my new modem...  I 
> wont ahve to run a speed test if it speeds up :-)
> 
> thanks, Bruce!
> 
> ann
> 
>> On 10/5/2017 12:55 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>> Flash is dead. It's in legacy mode and will disappear completely soon
>> enough. It generally doesn't run at all on mobile devices, and web
>> browsers have it disabled by default, a pretty strong hint to avoid
>> using it.
>> 
>> Cue the MP parrot thread ...
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 12:49 PM, P. J. Alling
>>  wrote:
>>> I'm not a big fan of flash, and Adobe tried, really tried, to turn it 
>>> into a
>>> web development language, but it's still a solution in search of a 
>>> problem.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 10/5/2017 12:15 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
 eric I did that -- it said i needed tha latest version and didn't have
 it..
 I never use explorer
 
 but since pj sent a link.. I'll try
 
> On 10/5/2017 11:48 AM, Eric Featherstone wrote:
> It worked for me in chrome and firefox, but in internet explorer the
> result page didn't work - just blank white.
> 
> try your spectrum website speed test with chrome perhaps? That should
> should already have flash built-in.
> 
> Eric.
> 
>> On 5 October 2017 at 16:34, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>> coldn't get  that speed test to work for me, Eric
>> ann
>> 
> On 10/5/2017 8:42 AM, Eric Featherstone wrote:
> 
> On 5 October 2017 at 14:25, ann sanfedele  
> wrote:
> I thought I had adobe flash but apparently not - I tried to do a
> speed
> test
> on Spectrum web site and it says it needs
> Adobe Flash.. yesterday it gave me a plug in to click on.. today I
> get
> nada.
 The speed tester at : http://beta.speedtest.net/
 doesn't require flash, so you should be good to go.
 (Their legacy speedtest page does require flash, so don't bother 
 with
 that.)
 
 
> I have windoze 7 pro - where is it safe to gather and install it 
> to
> use
> on
> either or both Firefox and chrome?
 FWIW Chrome has flash built in, and when chrome auto-updates it 
 also
 updates its version of flash. Personally I'm reluctant to install

Re: Windows tech knowledge guys - regarding Adobe Flash HELP

[ann sanfedele]

I don't want Wi_FI.    I have a flip phone that is used only for talk 
and very occasional text between phones -- no
web access at all. ... I feel cable only connection to the web is safer 
- I only go on line from my lovely big Hp desktop.

ands my TV is only a TV -it isn't "smart".

simplify, simplify, simplify :-)

ann the happy old schooler

On 10/5/2017 9:23 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

I missed some of this thread, do my question may be a repeat. Why no wifi? You 
have a cell?

Paul via phone


On Oct 5, 2017, at 8:23 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

well - after an hour on the phone with Spectrum tech gal (who gets a gold star 
, btw) because my auto set up didn't work - I have lovely high speed now and a 
fully functional modem WITHOUT wi-fi.  Before getting this new modem
I had my very own modem, for the last  um year or so, to save the time warner 
charges, but all the set up stuff
on line assumed I had a time warner modem that I had yet to return.

catch 22  but eventually the young lady worked it out - a herculean task I'm 
sure.  When it finally did get going
the three little blue lights at the bottom of the modem were no longer.  WI-fi 
disabled and all is right with the world.
I kinda liked finally convincing her that if things were working properly those 
little blue lights next to 2.4G,5.4G and MoCA should be off.

ann


On 10/5/2017 5:03 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote:
So...here's another Spectrum conundrum for you...I have a 3TB NAS that's 
supposed to work with DHCP.  But when you set it up to get a dynamic IP address 
it works for a while, then drops off-line, requiring a re-boot to get it back.  
The known work-around is to set it up with a static IP address.  Do that and 
it's stable. But...here's the kicker...Spectrum will not let you set up static 
IP addresses on their modem/router unless you pay extra to subscribe their 
their wireless service.

-p



On 10/5/2017 3:42 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
sounds like I should just keep away from it... - I got my new modem...  I wont 
ahve to run a speed test if it speeds up :-)

thanks, Bruce!

ann


On 10/5/2017 12:55 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
Flash is dead. It's in legacy mode and will disappear completely soon
enough. It generally doesn't run at all on mobile devices, and web
browsers have it disabled by default, a pretty strong hint to avoid
using it.

Cue the MP parrot thread ...


On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 12:49 PM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:

I'm not a big fan of flash, and Adobe tried, really tried, to turn it into a
web development language, but it's still a solution in search of a problem.




On 10/5/2017 12:15 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
eric I did that -- it said i needed tha latest version and didn't have
it..
I never use explorer

but since pj sent a link.. I'll try


On 10/5/2017 11:48 AM, Eric Featherstone wrote:
It worked for me in chrome and firefox, but in internet explorer the
result page didn't work - just blank white.

try your spectrum website speed test with chrome perhaps? That should
should already have flash built-in.

Eric.


On 5 October 2017 at 16:34, ann sanfedele  wrote:
coldn't get  that speed test to work for me, Eric
ann


On 10/5/2017 8:42 AM, Eric Featherstone wrote:


On 5 October 2017 at 14:25, ann sanfedele  wrote:
I thought I had adobe flash but apparently not - I tried to do a
speed
test
on Spectrum web site and it says it needs
Adobe Flash.. yesterday it gave me a plug in to click on.. today I
get
nada.

The speed tester at : http://beta.speedtest.net/
doesn't require flash, so you should be good to go.
(Their legacy speedtest page does require flash, so don't bother with
that.)



I have windoze 7 pro - where is it safe to gather and install it to
use
on
either or both Firefox and chrome?

FWIW Chrome has flash built in, and when chrome auto-updates it also
updates its version of flash. Personally I'm reluctant to install
flash other than as part of chrome for that reason.





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Re: Windows tech knowledge guys - regarding Adobe Flash HELP

[Paul Stenquist]

I missed some of this thread, do my question may be a repeat. Why no wifi? You 
have a cell?

Paul via phone

> On Oct 5, 2017, at 8:23 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> well - after an hour on the phone with Spectrum tech gal (who gets a gold 
> star , btw) because my auto set up didn't work - I have lovely high speed now 
> and a fully functional modem WITHOUT wi-fi.  Before getting this new modem
> I had my very own modem, for the last  um year or so, to save the time warner 
> charges, but all the set up stuff
> on line assumed I had a time warner modem that I had yet to return.
> 
> catch 22  but eventually the young lady worked it out - a herculean task I'm 
> sure.  When it finally did get going
> the three little blue lights at the bottom of the modem were no longer.  
> WI-fi disabled and all is right with the world.
> I kinda liked finally convincing her that if things were working properly 
> those little blue lights next to 2.4G,5.4G and MoCA should be off.
> 
> ann
> 
>> On 10/5/2017 5:03 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote:
>> So...here's another Spectrum conundrum for you...I have a 3TB NAS that's 
>> supposed to work with DHCP.  But when you set it up to get a dynamic IP 
>> address it works for a while, then drops off-line, requiring a re-boot to 
>> get it back.  The known work-around is to set it up with a static IP 
>> address.  Do that and it's stable. But...here's the kicker...Spectrum will 
>> not let you set up static IP addresses on their modem/router unless you pay 
>> extra to subscribe their their wireless service.
>> 
>> -p
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10/5/2017 3:42 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
>>> sounds like I should just keep away from it... - I got my new modem...  I 
>>> wont ahve to run a speed test if it speeds up :-)
>>> 
>>> thanks, Bruce!
>>> 
>>> ann
>>> 
 On 10/5/2017 12:55 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
 Flash is dead. It's in legacy mode and will disappear completely soon
 enough. It generally doesn't run at all on mobile devices, and web
 browsers have it disabled by default, a pretty strong hint to avoid
 using it.
 
 Cue the MP parrot thread ...
 
 
 On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 12:49 PM, P. J. Alling
  wrote:
> I'm not a big fan of flash, and Adobe tried, really tried, to turn it 
> into a
> web development language, but it's still a solution in search of a 
> problem.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10/5/2017 12:15 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
>> eric I did that -- it said i needed tha latest version and didn't have
>> it..
>> I never use explorer
>> 
>> but since pj sent a link.. I'll try
>> 
>>> On 10/5/2017 11:48 AM, Eric Featherstone wrote:
>>> It worked for me in chrome and firefox, but in internet explorer the
>>> result page didn't work - just blank white.
>>> 
>>> try your spectrum website speed test with chrome perhaps? That should
>>> should already have flash built-in.
>>> 
>>> Eric.
>>> 
 On 5 October 2017 at 16:34, ann sanfedele  wrote:
 coldn't get  that speed test to work for me, Eric
 ann
 
>> On 10/5/2017 8:42 AM, Eric Featherstone wrote:
>> 
>>> On 5 October 2017 at 14:25, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>>> I thought I had adobe flash but apparently not - I tried to do a
>>> speed
>>> test
>>> on Spectrum web site and it says it needs
>>> Adobe Flash.. yesterday it gave me a plug in to click on.. today I
>>> get
>>> nada.
>> The speed tester at : http://beta.speedtest.net/
>> doesn't require flash, so you should be good to go.
>> (Their legacy speedtest page does require flash, so don't bother with
>> that.)
>> 
>> 
>>> I have windoze 7 pro - where is it safe to gather and install it to
>>> use
>>> on
>>> either or both Firefox and chrome?
>> FWIW Chrome has flash built in, and when chrome auto-updates it also
>> updates its version of flash. Personally I'm reluctant to install
>> flash other than as part of chrome for that reason.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Windows tech knowledge guys - regarding Adobe Flash HELP

[ann sanfedele]

well - after an hour on the phone with Spectrum tech gal (who gets a 
gold star , btw) because my auto set up didn't work - I have lovely high 
speed now and a fully functional modem WITHOUT wi-fi.  Before getting 
this new modem
I had my very own modem, for the last  um year or so, to save the time 
warner charges, but all the set up stuff

on line assumed I had a time warner modem that I had yet to return.

catch 22  but eventually the young lady worked it out - a herculean task 
I'm sure.  When it finally did get going
the three little blue lights at the bottom of the modem were no longer.  
WI-fi disabled and all is right with the world.
I kinda liked finally convincing her that if things were working 
properly those little blue lights next to 2.4G,5.4G and MoCA should be off.


ann

On 10/5/2017 5:03 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote:
So...here's another Spectrum conundrum for you...I have a 3TB NAS 
that's supposed to work with DHCP.  But when you set it up to get a 
dynamic IP address it works for a while, then drops off-line, 
requiring a re-boot to get it back.  The known work-around is to set 
it up with a static IP address.  Do that and it's stable. But...here's 
the kicker...Spectrum will not let you set up static IP addresses on 
their modem/router unless you pay extra to subscribe their their 
wireless service.


-p


On 10/5/2017 3:42 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
sounds like I should just keep away from it... - I got my new 
modem...  I wont ahve to run a speed test if it speeds up :-)


thanks, Bruce!

ann

On 10/5/2017 12:55 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Flash is dead. It's in legacy mode and will disappear completely soon
enough. It generally doesn't run at all on mobile devices, and web
browsers have it disabled by default, a pretty strong hint to avoid
using it.

Cue the MP parrot thread ...


On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 12:49 PM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:
I'm not a big fan of flash, and Adobe tried, really tried, to turn 
it into a
web development language, but it's still a solution in search of a 
problem.




On 10/5/2017 12:15 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
eric I did that -- it said i needed tha latest version and didn't 
have

it..
I never use explorer

but since pj sent a link.. I'll try

On 10/5/2017 11:48 AM, Eric Featherstone wrote:

It worked for me in chrome and firefox, but in internet explorer the
result page didn't work - just blank white.

try your spectrum website speed test with chrome perhaps? That 
should

should already have flash built-in.

Eric.

On 5 October 2017 at 16:34, ann sanfedele  wrote:

coldn't get  that speed test to work for me, Eric
ann


On 10/5/2017 8:42 AM, Eric Featherstone wrote:

On 5 October 2017 at 14:25, ann sanfedele  
wrote:

I thought I had adobe flash but apparently not - I tried to do a
speed
test
on Spectrum web site and it says it needs
Adobe Flash.. yesterday it gave me a plug in to click on.. 
today I

get
nada.

The speed tester at : http://beta.speedtest.net/
doesn't require flash, so you should be good to go.
(Their legacy speedtest page does require flash, so don't 
bother with

that.)


I have windoze 7 pro - where is it safe to gather and install 
it to

use
on
either or both Firefox and chrome?
FWIW Chrome has flash built in, and when chrome auto-updates 
it also

updates its version of flash. Personally I'm reluctant to install
flash other than as part of chrome for that reason.





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Re: Windows tech knowledge guys - regarding Adobe Flash HELP

[Paul Sorenson]

So...here's another Spectrum conundrum for you...I have a 3TB NAS that's 
supposed to work with DHCP.  But when you set it up to get a dynamic IP 
address it works for a while, then drops off-line, requiring a re-boot 
to get it back.  The known work-around is to set it up with a static IP 
address.  Do that and it's stable. But...here's the kicker...Spectrum 
will not let you set up static IP addresses on their modem/router unless 
you pay extra to subscribe their their wireless service.


-p


On 10/5/2017 3:42 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
sounds like I should just keep away from it... - I got my new 
modem...  I wont ahve to run a speed test if it speeds up :-)


thanks, Bruce!

ann

On 10/5/2017 12:55 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Flash is dead. It's in legacy mode and will disappear completely soon
enough. It generally doesn't run at all on mobile devices, and web
browsers have it disabled by default, a pretty strong hint to avoid
using it.

Cue the MP parrot thread ...


On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 12:49 PM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:
I'm not a big fan of flash, and Adobe tried, really tried, to turn 
it into a
web development language, but it's still a solution in search of a 
problem.




On 10/5/2017 12:15 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

eric I did that -- it said i needed tha latest version and didn't have
it..
I never use explorer

but since pj sent a link.. I'll try

On 10/5/2017 11:48 AM, Eric Featherstone wrote:

It worked for me in chrome and firefox, but in internet explorer the
result page didn't work - just blank white.

try your spectrum website speed test with chrome perhaps? That should
should already have flash built-in.

Eric.

On 5 October 2017 at 16:34, ann sanfedele  wrote:

coldn't get  that speed test to work for me, Eric
ann


On 10/5/2017 8:42 AM, Eric Featherstone wrote:

On 5 October 2017 at 14:25, ann sanfedele  
wrote:

I thought I had adobe flash but apparently not - I tried to do a
speed
test
on Spectrum web site and it says it needs
Adobe Flash.. yesterday it gave me a plug in to click on.. 
today I

get
nada.

The speed tester at : http://beta.speedtest.net/
doesn't require flash, so you should be good to go.
(Their legacy speedtest page does require flash, so don't 
bother with

that.)


I have windoze 7 pro - where is it safe to gather and install 
it to

use
on
either or both Firefox and chrome?
FWIW Chrome has flash built in, and when chrome auto-updates it 
also

updates its version of flash. Personally I'm reluctant to install
flash other than as part of chrome for that reason.





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Re: Windows tech knowledge guys - regarding Adobe Flash HELP

[ann sanfedele]

sounds like I should just keep away from it... - I got my new modem...  
I wont ahve to run a speed test if it speeds up :-)


thanks, Bruce!

ann

On 10/5/2017 12:55 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Flash is dead. It's in legacy mode and will disappear completely soon
enough. It generally doesn't run at all on mobile devices, and web
browsers have it disabled by default, a pretty strong hint to avoid
using it.

Cue the MP parrot thread ...


On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 12:49 PM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:

I'm not a big fan of flash, and Adobe tried, really tried, to turn it into a
web development language, but it's still a solution in search of a problem.



On 10/5/2017 12:15 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

eric I did that -- it said i needed tha latest version and didn't have
it..
I never use explorer

but since pj sent a link.. I'll try

On 10/5/2017 11:48 AM, Eric Featherstone wrote:

It worked for me in chrome and firefox, but in internet explorer the
result page didn't work - just blank white.

try your spectrum website speed test with chrome perhaps? That should
should already have flash built-in.

Eric.

On 5 October 2017 at 16:34, ann sanfedele  wrote:

coldn't get  that speed test to work for me, Eric
ann


On 10/5/2017 8:42 AM, Eric Featherstone wrote:


On 5 October 2017 at 14:25, ann sanfedele  wrote:

I thought I had adobe flash but apparently not - I tried to do a
speed
test
on Spectrum web site and it says it needs
Adobe Flash.. yesterday it gave me a plug in to click on.. today I
get
nada.

The speed tester at : http://beta.speedtest.net/
doesn't require flash, so you should be good to go.
(Their legacy speedtest page does require flash, so don't bother with
that.)



I have windoze 7 pro - where is it safe to gather and install it to
use
on
either or both Firefox and chrome?

FWIW Chrome has flash built in, and when chrome auto-updates it also
updates its version of flash. Personally I'm reluctant to install
flash other than as part of chrome for that reason.





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Re: Windows tech knowledge guys - regarding Adobe Flash HELP

[John]

Haven't had any problems with my modem since Spectrum took over Time-Warner 
here in Raleigh.

Knock wood.


On 10/5/2017 11:34, ann sanfedele wrote:

I'm getting a new modem today - the techie from Spectrum (who was a time warner 
guy who kept his job) said
my modem was probably partly to blame from problems recently that sounds like 
what you are having , Paul..
hmmm..  a couple of days ago my downlaod speed went down to1.8 but later it was 
back up to 118,

have been having trouble with email.. which includes, but not limited to, 
getting an error message after I've written something that says something is 
not available and not only doesn't upload but doesnt save what I wrote in drafts
in thunderbird.  ugh.

I don't have wi-fi at all... , strictly cable  -

coldn't get  that speed test to work for me, Eric
ann

On 10/5/2017 10:43 AM, Paul Sorenson wrote:

Thanks for that link, Eric.  Do you (or anyone else) know of a link that will 
measure/record signal strength in dB?  Spectrum in our area just gave me an 
upgrade to 100mb down and 10mb up, but I continue to have an issue with signal 
strength that causes the modem to completely drop both phone and internet.  
Spectrum offers the fastest speed, but one needs to have some reliability as 
well.

-p

On 10/5/2017 8:42 AM, Eric Featherstone wrote:


On 5 October 2017 at 14:25, ann sanfedele  wrote:

I thought I had adobe flash but apparently not - I tried to do a speed test
on Spectrum web site and it says it needs
Adobe Flash.. yesterday it gave me a plug in to click on.. today I get nada.

The speed tester at : http://beta.speedtest.net/
doesn't require flash, so you should be good to go.
(Their legacy speedtest page does require flash, so don't bother with that.)



I have windoze 7 pro - where is it safe to gather and install it to use on
either or both Firefox and chrome?

FWIW Chrome has flash built in, and when chrome auto-updates it also
updates its version of flash. Personally I'm reluctant to install
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Re: Windows tech knowledge guys - regarding Adobe Flash HELP

[Bruce Walker]

Flash is dead. It's in legacy mode and will disappear completely soon
enough. It generally doesn't run at all on mobile devices, and web
browsers have it disabled by default, a pretty strong hint to avoid
using it.

Cue the MP parrot thread ...


On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 12:49 PM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:
> I'm not a big fan of flash, and Adobe tried, really tried, to turn it into a
> web development language, but it's still a solution in search of a problem.
>
>
>
> On 10/5/2017 12:15 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
>>
>> eric I did that -- it said i needed tha latest version and didn't have
>> it..
>> I never use explorer
>>
>> but since pj sent a link.. I'll try
>>
>> On 10/5/2017 11:48 AM, Eric Featherstone wrote:
>>>
>>> It worked for me in chrome and firefox, but in internet explorer the
>>> result page didn't work - just blank white.
>>>
>>> try your spectrum website speed test with chrome perhaps? That should
>>> should already have flash built-in.
>>>
>>> Eric.
>>>
>>> On 5 October 2017 at 16:34, ann sanfedele  wrote:

 coldn't get  that speed test to work for me, Eric
 ann

> On 10/5/2017 8:42 AM, Eric Featherstone wrote:
>
>> On 5 October 2017 at 14:25, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>>>
>>> I thought I had adobe flash but apparently not - I tried to do a
>>> speed
>>> test
>>> on Spectrum web site and it says it needs
>>> Adobe Flash.. yesterday it gave me a plug in to click on.. today I
>>> get
>>> nada.
>>
>> The speed tester at : http://beta.speedtest.net/
>> doesn't require flash, so you should be good to go.
>> (Their legacy speedtest page does require flash, so don't bother with
>> that.)
>>
>>
>>> I have windoze 7 pro - where is it safe to gather and install it to
>>> use
>>> on
>>> either or both Firefox and chrome?
>>
>> FWIW Chrome has flash built in, and when chrome auto-updates it also
>> updates its version of flash. Personally I'm reluctant to install
>> flash other than as part of chrome for that reason.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

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Re: Windows tech knowledge guys - regarding Adobe Flash HELP

[P. J. Alling]

I'm not a big fan of flash, and Adobe tried, really tried, to turn it 
into a web development language, but it's still a solution in search of 
a problem.



On 10/5/2017 12:15 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
eric I did that -- it said i needed tha latest version and didn't have 
it..

I never use explorer

but since pj sent a link.. I'll try

On 10/5/2017 11:48 AM, Eric Featherstone wrote:

It worked for me in chrome and firefox, but in internet explorer the
result page didn't work - just blank white.

try your spectrum website speed test with chrome perhaps? That should
should already have flash built-in.

Eric.

On 5 October 2017 at 16:34, ann sanfedele  wrote:

coldn't get  that speed test to work for me, Eric
ann


On 10/5/2017 8:42 AM, Eric Featherstone wrote:


On 5 October 2017 at 14:25, ann sanfedele  wrote:
I thought I had adobe flash but apparently not - I tried to do a 
speed

test
on Spectrum web site and it says it needs
Adobe Flash.. yesterday it gave me a plug in to click on.. today 
I get

nada.

The speed tester at : http://beta.speedtest.net/
doesn't require flash, so you should be good to go.
(Their legacy speedtest page does require flash, so don't bother with
that.)


I have windoze 7 pro - where is it safe to gather and install it 
to use

on
either or both Firefox and chrome?

FWIW Chrome has flash built in, and when chrome auto-updates it also
updates its version of flash. Personally I'm reluctant to install
flash other than as part of chrome for that reason.








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Re: Windows tech knowledge guys - regarding Adobe Flash HELP

[Eric Featherstone]

It might be a setting in chrome. Flash can be blocked by default,
allowed by default, blocked or allowed per website etc.

clicking this link (when using the chrome web browser) should take you
to chrome's setting for flash.

chrome://settings/content/flash

But pj's link might also solve it for you.

Eric.


On 5 October 2017 at 17:15, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> eric I did that -- it said i needed tha latest version and didn't have it..
> I never use explorer
>
> but since pj sent a link.. I'll try
>
>
> On 10/5/2017 11:48 AM, Eric Featherstone wrote:
>>
>> It worked for me in chrome and firefox, but in internet explorer the
>> result page didn't work - just blank white.
>>
>> try your spectrum website speed test with chrome perhaps? That should
>> should already have flash built-in.
>>
>> Eric.

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Re: Windows tech knowledge guys - regarding Adobe Flash HELP

[ann sanfedele]

eric I did that -- it said i needed tha latest version and didn't have it..
I never use explorer

but since pj sent a link.. I'll try

On 10/5/2017 11:48 AM, Eric Featherstone wrote:

It worked for me in chrome and firefox, but in internet explorer the
result page didn't work - just blank white.

try your spectrum website speed test with chrome perhaps? That should
should already have flash built-in.

Eric.

On 5 October 2017 at 16:34, ann sanfedele  wrote:

coldn't get  that speed test to work for me, Eric
ann


On 10/5/2017 8:42 AM, Eric Featherstone wrote:


On 5 October 2017 at 14:25, ann sanfedele  wrote:

I thought I had adobe flash but apparently not - I tried to do a speed
test
on Spectrum web site and it says it needs
Adobe Flash.. yesterday it gave me a plug in to click on.. today I get
nada.

The speed tester at : http://beta.speedtest.net/
doesn't require flash, so you should be good to go.
(Their legacy speedtest page does require flash, so don't bother with
that.)



I have windoze 7 pro - where is it safe to gather and install it to use
on
either or both Firefox and chrome?

FWIW Chrome has flash built in, and when chrome auto-updates it also
updates its version of flash. Personally I'm reluctant to install
flash other than as part of chrome for that reason.








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Re: Windows tech knowledge guys - regarding Adobe Flash HELP

[Paul Sorenson]

With Firefox, after the Flash plug-in is installed you have the option 
of only using it on a web site when you specifically authorize it.


-p


On 10/5/2017 10:59 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:

Ann,

   You can download Flash straight from Adobe, here's a link to what I 
think is the latest version.


https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/?source=1432


On 10/5/2017 9:25 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:
I thought I had adobe flash but apparently not - I tried to do a 
speed test on Spectrum web site and it says it needs
Adobe Flash.. yesterday it gave me a plug in to click on.. today I 
get nada.



I have windoze 7 pro - where is it safe to gather and install it to 
use on either or both Firefox and chrome?


T I A

ann








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Re: Windows tech knowledge guys - regarding Adobe Flash HELP

[P. J. Alling]

Ann,

   You can download Flash straight from Adobe, here's a link to what I 
think is the latest version.


https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/?source=1432


On 10/5/2017 9:25 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:
I thought I had adobe flash but apparently not - I tried to do a speed 
test on Spectrum web site and it says it needs
Adobe Flash.. yesterday it gave me a plug in to click on.. today I get 
nada.



I have windoze 7 pro - where is it safe to gather and install it to 
use on either or both Firefox and chrome?


T I A

ann





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Re: Windows tech knowledge guys - regarding Adobe Flash HELP

[Eric Featherstone]

It worked for me in chrome and firefox, but in internet explorer the
result page didn't work - just blank white.

try your spectrum website speed test with chrome perhaps? That should
should already have flash built-in.

Eric.

On 5 October 2017 at 16:34, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> coldn't get  that speed test to work for me, Eric
> ann
>
>> On 10/5/2017 8:42 AM, Eric Featherstone wrote:
>>
>>> On 5 October 2017 at 14:25, ann sanfedele  wrote:

 I thought I had adobe flash but apparently not - I tried to do a speed
 test
 on Spectrum web site and it says it needs
 Adobe Flash.. yesterday it gave me a plug in to click on.. today I get
 nada.
>>>
>>> The speed tester at : http://beta.speedtest.net/
>>> doesn't require flash, so you should be good to go.
>>> (Their legacy speedtest page does require flash, so don't bother with
>>> that.)
>>>
>>>
 I have windoze 7 pro - where is it safe to gather and install it to use
 on
 either or both Firefox and chrome?
>>>
>>> FWIW Chrome has flash built in, and when chrome auto-updates it also
>>> updates its version of flash. Personally I'm reluctant to install
>>> flash other than as part of chrome for that reason.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: Windows tech knowledge guys - regarding Adobe Flash HELP

[ann sanfedele]

I'm getting a new modem today - the techie from Spectrum (who was a time 
warner guy who kept his job) said
my modem was probably partly to blame from problems recently that sounds 
like what you are having , Paul..
hmmm..  a couple of days ago my downlaod speed went down to1.8 but later 
it was back up to 118,


have been having trouble with email.. which includes, but not limited 
to, getting an error message after I've written something that says 
something is not available and not only doesn't upload but doesnt save 
what I wrote in drafts

in thunderbird.  ugh.

I don't have wi-fi at all... , strictly cable  -

coldn't get  that speed test to work for me, Eric
ann

On 10/5/2017 10:43 AM, Paul Sorenson wrote:
Thanks for that link, Eric.  Do you (or anyone else) know of a link 
that will measure/record signal strength in dB?  Spectrum in our area 
just gave me an upgrade to 100mb down and 10mb up, but I continue to 
have an issue with signal strength that causes the modem to completely 
drop both phone and internet.  Spectrum offers the fastest speed, but 
one needs to have some reliability as well.


-p

On 10/5/2017 8:42 AM, Eric Featherstone wrote:


On 5 October 2017 at 14:25, ann sanfedele  wrote:
I thought I had adobe flash but apparently not - I tried to do a 
speed test

on Spectrum web site and it says it needs
Adobe Flash.. yesterday it gave me a plug in to click on.. today I 
get nada.

The speed tester at : http://beta.speedtest.net/
doesn't require flash, so you should be good to go.
(Their legacy speedtest page does require flash, so don't bother with 
that.)



I have windoze 7 pro - where is it safe to gather and install it to 
use on

either or both Firefox and chrome?

FWIW Chrome has flash built in, and when chrome auto-updates it also
updates its version of flash. Personally I'm reluctant to install
flash other than as part of chrome for that reason.










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Re: Windows tech knowledge guys - regarding Adobe Flash HELP

[Paul Sorenson]

Thanks for that link, Eric.  Do you (or anyone else) know of a link that 
will measure/record signal strength in dB?  Spectrum in our area just 
gave me an upgrade to 100mb down and 10mb up, but I continue to have an 
issue with signal strength that causes the modem to completely drop both 
phone and internet.  Spectrum offers the fastest speed, but one needs to 
have some reliability as well.


-p

On 10/5/2017 8:42 AM, Eric Featherstone wrote:


On 5 October 2017 at 14:25, ann sanfedele  wrote:

I thought I had adobe flash but apparently not - I tried to do a speed test
on Spectrum web site and it says it needs
Adobe Flash.. yesterday it gave me a plug in to click on.. today I get nada.

The speed tester at : http://beta.speedtest.net/
doesn't require flash, so you should be good to go.
(Their legacy speedtest page does require flash, so don't bother with that.)



I have windoze 7 pro - where is it safe to gather and install it to use on
either or both Firefox and chrome?

FWIW Chrome has flash built in, and when chrome auto-updates it also
updates its version of flash. Personally I'm reluctant to install
flash other than as part of chrome for that reason.







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Re: Windows tech knowledge guys - regarding Adobe Flash HELP

[Eric Featherstone]

On 5 October 2017 at 14:25, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> I thought I had adobe flash but apparently not - I tried to do a speed test
> on Spectrum web site and it says it needs
> Adobe Flash.. yesterday it gave me a plug in to click on.. today I get nada.

The speed tester at : http://beta.speedtest.net/
doesn't require flash, so you should be good to go.
(Their legacy speedtest page does require flash, so don't bother with that.)


> I have windoze 7 pro - where is it safe to gather and install it to use on
> either or both Firefox and chrome?

FWIW Chrome has flash built in, and when chrome auto-updates it also
updates its version of flash. Personally I'm reluctant to install
flash other than as part of chrome for that reason.




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Re: Windows tech knowledge guys - regarding Adobe Flash HELP

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Adobe Flash is a virus.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 9:25 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

> I thought I had adobe flash but apparently not - I tried to do a speed
> test on Spectrum web site and it says it needs
> Adobe Flash.. yesterday it gave me a plug in to click on.. today I get
> nada.
>
>
> I have windoze 7 pro - where is it safe to gather and install it to use on
> either or both Firefox and chrome?
>
> T I A
>
> ann
>
>
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RE: Windows 10 Anniversary and DNG files

[John Coyle]

Thanks Bill - avoided a slow codec by downloading the Anniversary Update on my 
desktop and my
Surface tablet, they both now show DNG files, so I'm good.


John in Brisbane



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On 9/25/2016 6:27 PM, John Coyle wrote:
> Interesting - my W10 desktop, having had the free upgrade and all 
> updates since, does not display a thumbnail for the only new DNG file 
> I have, from the K5II.  W10.2, just installed on an old laptop with an SSD 
> upgrade, does.

There is a codec available from Adobe that will make DNGs viewable as 
thumbnails. It's slow as a
dead beagle though.
>
> John in Brisbane
>
>
>
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> Subject: Windows 10 Anniversary and DNG files
>
> After this week's anniversary update of my Windows 10 installation I 
> now discover that DNG files are thumbnailed in the Windows Explorer and can 
> also be viewed by
Windows Photo Gallery.
> This is much easier than having first to open Lightroom or FS viewer.
> Is this what they call groundbreaking technical progress or did I miss 
> something?
>
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Re: Windows 10 Anniversary and DNG files

[Bill]

On 9/25/2016 6:27 PM, John Coyle wrote:

Interesting - my W10 desktop, having had the free upgrade and all updates 
since, does not display a
thumbnail for the only new DNG file I have, from the K5II.  W10.2, just 
installed on an old laptop
with an SSD upgrade, does.


There is a codec available from Adobe that will make DNGs viewable as 
thumbnails. It's slow as a dead beagle though.


John in Brisbane



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Subject: Windows 10 Anniversary and DNG files

After this week's anniversary update of my Windows 10 installation I now 
discover that DNG files are
thumbnailed in the Windows Explorer and can also be viewed by Windows Photo 
Gallery.
This is much easier than having first to open Lightroom or FS viewer.
Is this what they call groundbreaking technical progress or did I miss 
something?

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RE: Windows 10 Anniversary and DNG files

[John Coyle]

Interesting - my W10 desktop, having had the free upgrade and all updates 
since, does not display a
thumbnail for the only new DNG file I have, from the K5II.  W10.2, just 
installed on an old laptop
with an SSD upgrade, does.

John in Brisbane



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Subject: Windows 10 Anniversary and DNG files

After this week's anniversary update of my Windows 10 installation I now 
discover that DNG files are
thumbnailed in the Windows Explorer and can also be viewed by Windows Photo 
Gallery.
This is much easier than having first to open Lightroom or FS viewer.
Is this what they call groundbreaking technical progress or did I miss 
something?

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Re: Windows 10 Anniversary and DNG files

[John]

All the other shit Windoze10 broke is a better argument for NEVER 
adopting it.


On 9/25/2016 9:53 AM, P.J. Alling wrote:

I've been viewing DNG thumbnails using Windows 7 and Windows XP for
years.  They have also visible in Windows Photo view in Explorer.  They
were also visible in Windows 2000, (not talking about WinME), but that
required downloading a third party codec.  The fact that it took this
long to support a common format, that was previously supported, is a
great argument to not be an early adopter.

On 9/25/2016 4:06 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:

After this week's anniversary update of my Windows 10 installation I
now discover that DNG files are thumbnailed in the Windows Explorer
and can also be viewed by Windows Photo Gallery.
This is much easier than having first to open Lightroom or FS viewer.
Is this what they call groundbreaking technical progress or did I miss
something?

Henk






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Re: Windows 10 Anniversary and DNG files

[John]

Windows7 Explorer displays DNG files as thumbnails. IIRC, WindowsXP 
could too.


On 9/25/2016 4:06 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:

After this week's anniversary update of my Windows 10 installation I now
discover that DNG files are thumbnailed in the Windows Explorer and can
also be viewed by Windows Photo Gallery.
This is much easier than having first to open Lightroom or FS viewer.
Is this what they call groundbreaking technical progress or did I miss
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Re: Windows 10 Anniversary and DNG files

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I've been viewing DNG thumbnails using Windows 7 and Windows XP for 
years.  They have also visible in Windows Photo view in Explorer.  They 
were also visible in Windows 2000, (not talking about WinME), but that 
required downloading a third party codec.  The fact that it took this 
long to support a common format, that was previously supported, is a 
great argument to not be an early adopter.


On 9/25/2016 4:06 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:
After this week's anniversary update of my Windows 10 installation I 
now discover that DNG files are thumbnailed in the Windows Explorer 
and can also be viewed by Windows Photo Gallery.

This is much easier than having first to open Lightroom or FS viewer.
Is this what they call groundbreaking technical progress or did I miss 
something?


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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[David Mann]

On Feb 24, 2013, at 5:56 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:

 Paul,
 Not free here in Anahiem unless your an HHHonors Gold or Platinum(?) member.
 I've seen the same in Boston where the big hotels are gouging for
 internet service.
 Ticks me off when I know it's free almost everywhere along the
 interstate motels.

We have a USB data stick which we take whenever we travel domestically.  It's 
on a pay-as-you-go data plan so it doesn't cost us much.  But we do use it 
sparingly (eg no Youtube).

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit

[John Sessoms]

I wonder why it is the expensive hotels don't offer free internet when 
all of the inexpensive ones do?


From: Bob Sullivan

Paul,
Not free here in Anahiem unless your an HHHonors Gold or Platinum(?) member.
I've seen the same in Boston where the big hotels are gouging for
internet service.
Ticks me off when I know it's free almost everywhere along the
interstate motels.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Paul Sorenson pentax1...@gmail.com wrote:

Hmmm.  In what way was the internet not free?  I'm an HHonors member and the
few times I've stayed there's not been a problem with free internet service.
Is it just up to the individual hotels to make that decision?

-p



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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[Bob Sullivan]

Free WiFi internet access is common here in the USA.
McDonalds, Starbucks, and almost all motels/hotels have it free.
Yes, when the small town library closes,
the kids move over to the McD's to finish their school projects.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 2:48 AM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Feb 24, 2013, at 5:56 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:

 Paul,
 Not free here in Anahiem unless your an HHHonors Gold or Platinum(?) member.
 I've seen the same in Boston where the big hotels are gouging for
 internet service.
 Ticks me off when I know it's free almost everywhere along the
 interstate motels.

 We have a USB data stick which we take whenever we travel domestically.  It's 
 on a pay-as-you-go data plan so it doesn't cost us much.  But we do use it 
 sparingly (eg no Youtube).

 Cheers,
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RE: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[Bob W]

 From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sullivan
 
 Free WiFi internet access is common here in the USA.
 McDonalds, Starbucks, and almost all motels/hotels have it free.
 Yes, when the small town library closes, the kids move over to the
 McD's to finish their school projects.
 Regards,  Bob S.

Proof categorical that school work leads to bad health in later years. They
should be out in the fresh air getting up to no good.

B




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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[Paul Sorenson]

Goes for other things too. Stay in a Country Inn and a fridge in the room is 
the norm. We stayed in a Radisson (same parent company) in downtown Minneapolis 
and had to pay an extra 25 bucks for a fridge. 

-p

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 24, 2013, at 9:37 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:

 Free WiFi internet access is common here in the USA.
 McDonalds, Starbucks, and almost all motels/hotels have it free.
 Yes, when the small town library closes,
 the kids move over to the McD's to finish their school projects.
 Regards,  Bob S.
 
 On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 2:48 AM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Feb 24, 2013, at 5:56 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Paul,
 Not free here in Anahiem unless your an HHHonors Gold or Platinum(?) member.
 I've seen the same in Boston where the big hotels are gouging for
 internet service.
 Ticks me off when I know it's free almost everywhere along the
 interstate motels.
 
 We have a USB data stick which we take whenever we travel domestically.  
 It's on a pay-as-you-go data plan so it doesn't cost us much.  But we do use 
 it sparingly (eg no Youtube).
 
 Cheers,
 Dave
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RE: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[Bob W]

 From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Paul Sorenson
 
 Goes for other things too. Stay in a Country Inn and a fridge in the
 room is the norm. We stayed in a Radisson (same parent company) in
 downtown Minneapolis and had to pay an extra 25 bucks for a fridge.
 

You must be mad.

B
 -p
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Feb 24, 2013, at 9:37 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Free WiFi internet access is common here in the USA.
  McDonalds, Starbucks, and almost all motels/hotels have it free.
  Yes, when the small town library closes, the kids move over to the
  McD's to finish their school projects.
  Regards,  Bob S.
 
  On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 2:48 AM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  On Feb 24, 2013, at 5:56 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Paul,
  Not free here in Anahiem unless your an HHHonors Gold or
 Platinum(?) member.
  I've seen the same in Boston where the big hotels are gouging for
  internet service.
  Ticks me off when I know it's free almost everywhere along the
  interstate motels.
 
  We have a USB data stick which we take whenever we travel
 domestically.  It's on a pay-as-you-go data plan so it doesn't cost us
 much.  But we do use it sparingly (eg no Youtube).
 
  Cheers,
  Dave
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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[kwaller]

When I run into this, and who hasn't, I keep asking for the next higher up 
person - generally at least gets me to someone I can converse with.


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- Original Message - 
From: Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com

Subject: Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.



Speaking of Horseshit, I have another nomination.
I'm staying in a Hilton hotel tonight.
As an HH Honors member they seemed to offer free internet.
(Most every motel on the interstate highway offers free internet.)
On closer inspection, not really free at Hilton.
No problem says I, the alternative is free to ATT customers.
So I try that option, not quite.
We need your ATT address and password.
That I don't really remember, but with a cell phone call they help me
with my address.
Can't do anything about the password though.
Have to call this other number for that.
So I call.
While a black man with poor English was helpful on the first call,
the oriental woman on the second call was unbelievable!
First, she has an unintelliginle accent - very poor Engllish language
pronounciation.
Second, she's talking so fast, I can't make out what she is saying.
(And I've got a pretty good ear for it after my share of 3 hour conf
calls to China.)
Third, everything she says is clipped.  It is being dropped by the
cellphone connection.
And fourth and most infuriating, she isn't listening!
I say something and she launches into a 25 second sing-song  monologue.
I talk over her, but she just continues to speak..
I tell her to listen, but she doesn't.
I tell her she is not conversing with me.
I tell her I can't understand what she is saying.
I tell her she has poor language skills.
She continues to ask me about irrelevant questions.
I finally give up and just start guessing at my password.
I make a good guess and get signed on, after 30 minutes of horseshit.
ATT blows dead bears.
Now how do I get ATT to hear this?
Regards,  Bob S.


On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:

On 22/02/2013 12:10 PM, Walt wrote:


On 2/21/2013 7:51 PM, Bill wrote:


On 20/02/2013 8:18 PM, Walt wrote:


On 2/20/2013 8:15 PM, Bill wrote:


OK, so I got that out of the way.
I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 
8
installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and 
unkind
to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to Windows 
8.
It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, 
golden

shower of an operating system.
I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across
about just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been 
on this
list for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how 
much bad

stuff I can say about things that annoy me.
I must get rid of it, and soon.

Help me.

bill


Untold millions share your pain. FWIW, here's what I did for the new
desktop at work:

http://www.classicshell.net



Yup, that helped. Actually gives it the best of both worlds. Has the 
Win

XP look and usability with all the progressive features of Win 8.
Wife happy. Happy wife, happy life. I'm happy.
Thanks Walt.

bill


Glad to help.

Here's a long (23 minutes) video review with a litany of all that's 
wrong

with it -- so far.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTYet-qf1jo

-- Walt


Yeah. That's pretty much it.
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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[Paul Sorenson]

I was 'til I got my fridge.

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 24, 2013, at 4:08 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:

 From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Paul Sorenson
 
 Goes for other things too. Stay in a Country Inn and a fridge in the
 room is the norm. We stayed in a Radisson (same parent company) in
 downtown Minneapolis and had to pay an extra 25 bucks for a fridge.
 
 You must be mad.
 
 B
 -p
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Feb 24, 2013, at 9:37 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Free WiFi internet access is common here in the USA.
 McDonalds, Starbucks, and almost all motels/hotels have it free.
 Yes, when the small town library closes, the kids move over to the
 McD's to finish their school projects.
 Regards,  Bob S.
 
 On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 2:48 AM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 On Feb 24, 2013, at 5:56 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Paul,
 Not free here in Anahiem unless your an HHHonors Gold or
 Platinum(?) member.
 I've seen the same in Boston where the big hotels are gouging for
 internet service.
 Ticks me off when I know it's free almost everywhere along the
 interstate motels.
 
 We have a USB data stick which we take whenever we travel
 domestically.  It's on a pay-as-you-go data plan so it doesn't cost us
 much.  But we do use it sparingly (eg no Youtube).
 
 Cheers,
 Dave
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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[Paul Stenquist]

On Feb 23, 2013, at 2:49 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:

 Speaking of Horseshit, I have another nomination.
 I'm staying in a Hilton hotel tonight.
 As an HH Honors member they seemed to offer free internet.
 (Most every motel on the interstate highway offers free internet.)
 On closer inspection, not really free at Hilton.
 No problem says I, the alternative is free to ATT customers.
 So I try that option, not quite.
 We need your ATT address and password.
 That I don't really remember, but with a cell phone call they help me
 with my address.
 Can't do anything about the password though.
 Have to call this other number for that.
 So I call.
 While a black man with poor English was helpful on the first call,
 the oriental woman on the second call was unbelievable!
 First, she has an unintelliginle accent - very poor Engllish language
 pronounciation.
 Second, she's talking so fast, I can't make out what she is saying.
 (And I've got a pretty good ear for it after my share of 3 hour conf
 calls to China.)
 Third, everything she says is clipped.  It is being dropped by the
 cellphone connection.
 And fourth and most infuriating, she isn't listening!
 I say something and she launches into a 25 second sing-song  monologue.
 I talk over her, but she just continues to speak..
 I tell her to listen, but she doesn't.
 I tell her she is not conversing with me.
 I tell her I can't understand what she is saying.
 I tell her she has poor language skills.
 She continues to ask me about irrelevant questions.
 I finally give up and just start guessing at my password.
 I make a good guess and get signed on, after 30 minutes of horseshit.
 ATT blows dead bears.
 Now how do I get ATT to hear this?
 Regards,  Bob S.
 
Snail mail, registered, return receipt requested to the head of operations.

 
 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 22/02/2013 12:10 PM, Walt wrote:
 
 On 2/21/2013 7:51 PM, Bill wrote:
 
 On 20/02/2013 8:18 PM, Walt wrote:
 
 On 2/20/2013 8:15 PM, Bill wrote:
 
 OK, so I got that out of the way.
 I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 8
 installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and 
 unkind
 to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to Windows 8.
 It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, golden
 shower of an operating system.
 I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across
 about just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been on 
 this
 list for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how much 
 bad
 stuff I can say about things that annoy me.
 I must get rid of it, and soon.
 
 Help me.
 
 bill
 
 Untold millions share your pain. FWIW, here's what I did for the new
 desktop at work:
 
 http://www.classicshell.net
 
 
 Yup, that helped. Actually gives it the best of both worlds. Has the Win
 XP look and usability with all the progressive features of Win 8.
 Wife happy. Happy wife, happy life. I'm happy.
 Thanks Walt.
 
 bill
 
 Glad to help.
 
 Here's a long (23 minutes) video review with a litany of all that's wrong
 with it -- so far.
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTYet-qf1jo
 
 -- Walt
 
 Yeah. That's pretty much it.
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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[John Mullan]

They won't listen, no matter what you do or say.  It's all about profits, 
and it is cheaper to setup an overseas call center with people who use 
English words but don't speak the language to read a script that they don't 
understand.  They ask you a question and if you don't give one of their 
possible answers they just ask it again.  The only way to change it is to 
buy the company and make the changes.


jm


-Original Message- 
From: Bob Sullivan

Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 2:49 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

Speaking of Horseshit, I have another nomination.
I'm staying in a Hilton hotel tonight.
As an HH Honors member they seemed to offer free internet.
(Most every motel on the interstate highway offers free internet.)
On closer inspection, not really free at Hilton.
No problem says I, the alternative is free to ATT customers.
So I try that option, not quite.
We need your ATT address and password.
That I don't really remember, but with a cell phone call they help me
with my address.
Can't do anything about the password though.
Have to call this other number for that.
So I call.
While a black man with poor English was helpful on the first call,
the oriental woman on the second call was unbelievable!
First, she has an unintelliginle accent - very poor Engllish language
pronounciation.
Second, she's talking so fast, I can't make out what she is saying.
(And I've got a pretty good ear for it after my share of 3 hour conf
calls to China.)
Third, everything she says is clipped.  It is being dropped by the
cellphone connection.
And fourth and most infuriating, she isn't listening!
I say something and she launches into a 25 second sing-song  monologue.
I talk over her, but she just continues to speak..
I tell her to listen, but she doesn't.
I tell her she is not conversing with me.
I tell her I can't understand what she is saying.
I tell her she has poor language skills.
She continues to ask me about irrelevant questions.
I finally give up and just start guessing at my password.
I make a good guess and get signed on, after 30 minutes of horseshit.
ATT blows dead bears.
Now how do I get ATT to hear this?
Regards,  Bob S.


On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:

On 22/02/2013 12:10 PM, Walt wrote:


On 2/21/2013 7:51 PM, Bill wrote:


On 20/02/2013 8:18 PM, Walt wrote:


On 2/20/2013 8:15 PM, Bill wrote:


OK, so I got that out of the way.
I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 
8
installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and 
unkind
to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to Windows 
8.

It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, golden
shower of an operating system.
I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across
about just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been 
on this
list for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how 
much bad

stuff I can say about things that annoy me.
I must get rid of it, and soon.

Help me.

bill


Untold millions share your pain. FWIW, here's what I did for the new
desktop at work:

http://www.classicshell.net



Yup, that helped. Actually gives it the best of both worlds. Has the Win
XP look and usability with all the progressive features of Win 8.
Wife happy. Happy wife, happy life. I'm happy.
Thanks Walt.

bill


Glad to help.

Here's a long (23 minutes) video review with a litany of all that's wrong
with it -- so far.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTYet-qf1jo

-- Walt


Yeah. That's pretty much it.
bill

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[Paul Stenquist]

Or you cold drop a bit of coke on Paris and ask her to set you up with a better 
deal:-).

On Feb 23, 2013, at 10:13 AM, John Mullan k...@hotmail.com wrote:

 They won't listen, no matter what you do or say.  It's all about profits, and 
 it is cheaper to setup an overseas call center with people who use English 
 words but don't speak the language to read a script that they don't 
 understand.  They ask you a question and if you don't give one of their 
 possible answers they just ask it again.  The only way to change it is to buy 
 the company and make the changes.
 
 jm
 
 
 -Original Message- From: Bob Sullivan
 Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 2:49 AM
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.
 
 Speaking of Horseshit, I have another nomination.
 I'm staying in a Hilton hotel tonight.
 As an HH Honors member they seemed to offer free internet.
 (Most every motel on the interstate highway offers free internet.)
 On closer inspection, not really free at Hilton.
 No problem says I, the alternative is free to ATT customers.
 So I try that option, not quite.
 We need your ATT address and password.
 That I don't really remember, but with a cell phone call they help me
 with my address.
 Can't do anything about the password though.
 Have to call this other number for that.
 So I call.
 While a black man with poor English was helpful on the first call,
 the oriental woman on the second call was unbelievable!
 First, she has an unintelliginle accent - very poor Engllish language
 pronounciation.
 Second, she's talking so fast, I can't make out what she is saying.
 (And I've got a pretty good ear for it after my share of 3 hour conf
 calls to China.)
 Third, everything she says is clipped.  It is being dropped by the
 cellphone connection.
 And fourth and most infuriating, she isn't listening!
 I say something and she launches into a 25 second sing-song  monologue.
 I talk over her, but she just continues to speak..
 I tell her to listen, but she doesn't.
 I tell her she is not conversing with me.
 I tell her I can't understand what she is saying.
 I tell her she has poor language skills.
 She continues to ask me about irrelevant questions.
 I finally give up and just start guessing at my password.
 I make a good guess and get signed on, after 30 minutes of horseshit.
 ATT blows dead bears.
 Now how do I get ATT to hear this?
 Regards,  Bob S.
 
 
 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 22/02/2013 12:10 PM, Walt wrote:
 
 On 2/21/2013 7:51 PM, Bill wrote:
 
 On 20/02/2013 8:18 PM, Walt wrote:
 
 On 2/20/2013 8:15 PM, Bill wrote:
 
 OK, so I got that out of the way.
 I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 8
 installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and 
 unkind
 to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to Windows 8.
 It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, golden
 shower of an operating system.
 I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across
 about just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been on 
 this
 list for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how much 
 bad
 stuff I can say about things that annoy me.
 I must get rid of it, and soon.
 
 Help me.
 
 bill
 
 Untold millions share your pain. FWIW, here's what I did for the new
 desktop at work:
 
 http://www.classicshell.net
 
 
 Yup, that helped. Actually gives it the best of both worlds. Has the Win
 XP look and usability with all the progressive features of Win 8.
 Wife happy. Happy wife, happy life. I'm happy.
 Thanks Walt.
 
 bill
 
 Glad to help.
 
 Here's a long (23 minutes) video review with a litany of all that's wrong
 with it -- so far.
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTYet-qf1jo
 
 -- Walt
 
 Yeah. That's pretty much it.
 bill
 
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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[John Sessoms]

From: Paul Stenquist


On Feb 23, 2013, at 2:49 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:


Speaking of Horseshit, I have another nomination.
I'm staying in a Hilton hotel tonight.
As an HH Honors member they seemed to offer free internet.
(Most every motel on the interstate highway offers free internet.)
On closer inspection, not really free at Hilton.
No problem says I, the alternative is free to ATT customers.
So I try that option, not quite.
We need your ATT address and password.
That I don't really remember, but with a cell phone call they help me
with my address.
Can't do anything about the password though.
Have to call this other number for that.
So I call.
While a black man with poor English was helpful on the first call,
the oriental woman on the second call was unbelievable!
First, she has an unintelliginle accent - very poor Engllish language
pronounciation.
Second, she's talking so fast, I can't make out what she is saying.
(And I've got a pretty good ear for it after my share of 3 hour conf
calls to China.)
Third, everything she says is clipped.  It is being dropped by the
cellphone connection.
And fourth and most infuriating, she isn't listening!
I say something and she launches into a 25 second sing-song  monologue.
I talk over her, but she just continues to speak..
I tell her to listen, but she doesn't.
I tell her she is not conversing with me.
I tell her I can't understand what she is saying.
I tell her she has poor language skills.
She continues to ask me about irrelevant questions.
I finally give up and just start guessing at my password.
I make a good guess and get signed on, after 30 minutes of horseshit.
ATT blows dead bears.
Now how do I get ATT to hear this?
Regards,  Bob S.


Snail mail, registered, return receipt requested to the head of operations.



To which the response from ATT is You can't notify us by mail, you 
have to call us on the telephone.


[BTW, the phone number you have to call for that is a *SECRET*.]

I don't actually do any business with ATT any more, but I end up having 
to do battle with them every couple of years. It's a recurring nightmare 
from the days when I did have a telephone.


About the only thing I've found that halfway works is to keep asking 
May I speak to YOUR supervisor? until I get someone who speaks English 
I can understand.


Unfortunately, I'm serious about it only working HALFWAY.

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[Paul Sorenson]

Hmmm.  In what way was the internet not free?  I'm an HHonors member and 
the few times I've stayed there's not been a problem with free internet 
service.  Is it just up to the individual hotels to make that decision?


-p

On 2/23/2013 1:49 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

Speaking of Horseshit, I have another nomination.
I'm staying in a Hilton hotel tonight.
As an HH Honors member they seemed to offer free internet.
(Most every motel on the interstate highway offers free internet.)
On closer inspection, not really free at Hilton.
No problem says I, the alternative is free to ATT customers.
So I try that option, not quite.
We need your ATT address and password.
That I don't really remember, but with a cell phone call they help me
with my address.
Can't do anything about the password though.
Have to call this other number for that.
So I call.
While a black man with poor English was helpful on the first call,
the oriental woman on the second call was unbelievable!
First, she has an unintelliginle accent - very poor Engllish language
pronounciation.
Second, she's talking so fast, I can't make out what she is saying.
(And I've got a pretty good ear for it after my share of 3 hour conf
calls to China.)
Third, everything she says is clipped.  It is being dropped by the
cellphone connection.
And fourth and most infuriating, she isn't listening!
I say something and she launches into a 25 second sing-song  monologue.
I talk over her, but she just continues to speak..
I tell her to listen, but she doesn't.
I tell her she is not conversing with me.
I tell her I can't understand what she is saying.
I tell her she has poor language skills.
She continues to ask me about irrelevant questions.
I finally give up and just start guessing at my password.
I make a good guess and get signed on, after 30 minutes of horseshit.
ATT blows dead bears.
Now how do I get ATT to hear this?
Regards,  Bob S.


On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:

On 22/02/2013 12:10 PM, Walt wrote:


On 2/21/2013 7:51 PM, Bill wrote:


On 20/02/2013 8:18 PM, Walt wrote:


On 2/20/2013 8:15 PM, Bill wrote:


OK, so I got that out of the way.
I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 8
installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and unkind
to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to Windows 8.
It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, golden
shower of an operating system.
I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across
about just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been on this
list for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how much bad
stuff I can say about things that annoy me.
I must get rid of it, and soon.

Help me.

bill


Untold millions share your pain. FWIW, here's what I did for the new
desktop at work:

http://www.classicshell.net



Yup, that helped. Actually gives it the best of both worlds. Has the Win
XP look and usability with all the progressive features of Win 8.
Wife happy. Happy wife, happy life. I'm happy.
Thanks Walt.

bill


Glad to help.

Here's a long (23 minutes) video review with a litany of all that's wrong
with it -- so far.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTYet-qf1jo

-- Walt


Yeah. That's pretty much it.
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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[John Francis]

On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 11:06:27PM -0500, John Sessoms wrote:
 From: kwaller
 
 Is that a rhetorical question?
 
 Mostly, but were you referring to microsoft and their product or bill in his
 response - ie more irate?
 
 Microsoft. You'd think they'd have learned by now.

Oh, they've learned.  Mostly, they've learned they can sell enough
copies of what they want to sell that they don't need to pay all that
much attention to what customers want to buy.

Not that they are in any way alone in that busines model ...


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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[Boris Liberman]

Bill, honestly, you're not that old and I am most certain that you can 
actually master this thing completely...


On 2/21/2013 4:15 AM, Bill wrote:

OK, so I got that out of the way.
I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 8
installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and
unkind to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to
Windows 8.
It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, golden
shower of an operating system.
I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across
about just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been on
this list for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how
much bad stuff I can say about things that annoy me.
I must get rid of it, and soon.

Help me.

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[Rob Studdert]

Reminds me of the movie Castaway and Wilson the ball, given the
options he made a good friend. I suppose Windows 8 has that sort of
potential too, if one were lost on a desert island and for some reason
needed a computer and that was all that was available. Thank dog there
are other options and reasonable rescue shells.

On 24 February 2013 15:33, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 Bill, honestly, you're not that old and I am most certain that you can
 actually master this thing completely...


 On 2/21/2013 4:15 AM, Bill wrote:

 OK, so I got that out of the way.
 I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 8
 installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and
 unkind to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to
 Windows 8.
 It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, golden
 shower of an operating system.
 I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across
 about just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been on
 this list for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how
 much bad stuff I can say about things that annoy me.
 I must get rid of it, and soon.

 Help me.

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[Bob Sullivan]

Paul,
Not free here in Anahiem unless your an HHHonors Gold or Platinum(?) member.
I've seen the same in Boston where the big hotels are gouging for
internet service.
Ticks me off when I know it's free almost everywhere along the
interstate motels.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Paul Sorenson pentax1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hmmm.  In what way was the internet not free?  I'm an HHonors member and the
 few times I've stayed there's not been a problem with free internet service.
 Is it just up to the individual hotels to make that decision?

 -p


 On 2/23/2013 1:49 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

 Speaking of Horseshit, I have another nomination.
 I'm staying in a Hilton hotel tonight.
 As an HH Honors member they seemed to offer free internet.
 (Most every motel on the interstate highway offers free internet.)
 On closer inspection, not really free at Hilton.
 No problem says I, the alternative is free to ATT customers.
 So I try that option, not quite.
 We need your ATT address and password.
 That I don't really remember, but with a cell phone call they help me
 with my address.
 Can't do anything about the password though.
 Have to call this other number for that.
 So I call.
 While a black man with poor English was helpful on the first call,
 the oriental woman on the second call was unbelievable!
 First, she has an unintelliginle accent - very poor Engllish language
 pronounciation.
 Second, she's talking so fast, I can't make out what she is saying.
 (And I've got a pretty good ear for it after my share of 3 hour conf
 calls to China.)
 Third, everything she says is clipped.  It is being dropped by the
 cellphone connection.
 And fourth and most infuriating, she isn't listening!
 I say something and she launches into a 25 second sing-song  monologue.
 I talk over her, but she just continues to speak..
 I tell her to listen, but she doesn't.
 I tell her she is not conversing with me.
 I tell her I can't understand what she is saying.
 I tell her she has poor language skills.
 She continues to ask me about irrelevant questions.
 I finally give up and just start guessing at my password.
 I make a good guess and get signed on, after 30 minutes of horseshit.
 ATT blows dead bears.
 Now how do I get ATT to hear this?
 Regards,  Bob S.


 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 22/02/2013 12:10 PM, Walt wrote:


 On 2/21/2013 7:51 PM, Bill wrote:


 On 20/02/2013 8:18 PM, Walt wrote:


 On 2/20/2013 8:15 PM, Bill wrote:


 OK, so I got that out of the way.
 I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win
 8
 installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and
 unkind
 to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to Windows
 8.
 It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile,
 golden
 shower of an operating system.
 I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across
 about just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been
 on this
 list for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how
 much bad
 stuff I can say about things that annoy me.
 I must get rid of it, and soon.

 Help me.

 bill

 Untold millions share your pain. FWIW, here's what I did for the new
 desktop at work:

 http://www.classicshell.net



 Yup, that helped. Actually gives it the best of both worlds. Has the
 Win
 XP look and usability with all the progressive features of Win 8.
 Wife happy. Happy wife, happy life. I'm happy.
 Thanks Walt.

 bill

 Glad to help.

 Here's a long (23 minutes) video review with a litany of all that's
 wrong
 with it -- so far.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTYet-qf1jo

 -- Walt

 Yeah. That's pretty much it.
 bill

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[David Parsons]

The reason is that the big hotels attract business customers who are
on expense accounts, while the smaller chains attract value conscious
vacation/travel customers.

On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Paul,
 Not free here in Anahiem unless your an HHHonors Gold or Platinum(?) member.
 I've seen the same in Boston where the big hotels are gouging for
 internet service.
 Ticks me off when I know it's free almost everywhere along the
 interstate motels.
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Paul Sorenson pentax1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hmmm.  In what way was the internet not free?  I'm an HHonors member and the
 few times I've stayed there's not been a problem with free internet service.
 Is it just up to the individual hotels to make that decision?

 -p


 On 2/23/2013 1:49 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

 Speaking of Horseshit, I have another nomination.
 I'm staying in a Hilton hotel tonight.
 As an HH Honors member they seemed to offer free internet.
 (Most every motel on the interstate highway offers free internet.)
 On closer inspection, not really free at Hilton.
 No problem says I, the alternative is free to ATT customers.
 So I try that option, not quite.
 We need your ATT address and password.
 That I don't really remember, but with a cell phone call they help me
 with my address.
 Can't do anything about the password though.
 Have to call this other number for that.
 So I call.
 While a black man with poor English was helpful on the first call,
 the oriental woman on the second call was unbelievable!
 First, she has an unintelliginle accent - very poor Engllish language
 pronounciation.
 Second, she's talking so fast, I can't make out what she is saying.
 (And I've got a pretty good ear for it after my share of 3 hour conf
 calls to China.)
 Third, everything she says is clipped.  It is being dropped by the
 cellphone connection.
 And fourth and most infuriating, she isn't listening!
 I say something and she launches into a 25 second sing-song  monologue.
 I talk over her, but she just continues to speak..
 I tell her to listen, but she doesn't.
 I tell her she is not conversing with me.
 I tell her I can't understand what she is saying.
 I tell her she has poor language skills.
 She continues to ask me about irrelevant questions.
 I finally give up and just start guessing at my password.
 I make a good guess and get signed on, after 30 minutes of horseshit.
 ATT blows dead bears.
 Now how do I get ATT to hear this?
 Regards,  Bob S.


 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 22/02/2013 12:10 PM, Walt wrote:


 On 2/21/2013 7:51 PM, Bill wrote:


 On 20/02/2013 8:18 PM, Walt wrote:


 On 2/20/2013 8:15 PM, Bill wrote:


 OK, so I got that out of the way.
 I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win
 8
 installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and
 unkind
 to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to Windows
 8.
 It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile,
 golden
 shower of an operating system.
 I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across
 about just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been
 on this
 list for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how
 much bad
 stuff I can say about things that annoy me.
 I must get rid of it, and soon.

 Help me.

 bill

 Untold millions share your pain. FWIW, here's what I did for the new
 desktop at work:

 http://www.classicshell.net



 Yup, that helped. Actually gives it the best of both worlds. Has the
 Win
 XP look and usability with all the progressive features of Win 8.
 Wife happy. Happy wife, happy life. I'm happy.
 Thanks Walt.

 bill

 Glad to help.

 Here's a long (23 minutes) video review with a litany of all that's
 wrong
 with it -- so far.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTYet-qf1jo

 -- Walt

 Yeah. That's pretty much it.
 bill

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[Bob Sullivan]

Dave,
And truck drivers and plenty of business travelers on smaller budgets.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:33 PM, David Parsons parsons.da...@gmail.com wrote:
 The reason is that the big hotels attract business customers who are
 on expense accounts, while the smaller chains attract value conscious
 vacation/travel customers.

 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Paul,
 Not free here in Anahiem unless your an HHHonors Gold or Platinum(?) member.
 I've seen the same in Boston where the big hotels are gouging for
 internet service.
 Ticks me off when I know it's free almost everywhere along the
 interstate motels.
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Paul Sorenson pentax1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hmmm.  In what way was the internet not free?  I'm an HHonors member and the
 few times I've stayed there's not been a problem with free internet service.
 Is it just up to the individual hotels to make that decision?

 -p


 On 2/23/2013 1:49 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

 Speaking of Horseshit, I have another nomination.
 I'm staying in a Hilton hotel tonight.
 As an HH Honors member they seemed to offer free internet.
 (Most every motel on the interstate highway offers free internet.)
 On closer inspection, not really free at Hilton.
 No problem says I, the alternative is free to ATT customers.
 So I try that option, not quite.
 We need your ATT address and password.
 That I don't really remember, but with a cell phone call they help me
 with my address.
 Can't do anything about the password though.
 Have to call this other number for that.
 So I call.
 While a black man with poor English was helpful on the first call,
 the oriental woman on the second call was unbelievable!
 First, she has an unintelliginle accent - very poor Engllish language
 pronounciation.
 Second, she's talking so fast, I can't make out what she is saying.
 (And I've got a pretty good ear for it after my share of 3 hour conf
 calls to China.)
 Third, everything she says is clipped.  It is being dropped by the
 cellphone connection.
 And fourth and most infuriating, she isn't listening!
 I say something and she launches into a 25 second sing-song  monologue.
 I talk over her, but she just continues to speak..
 I tell her to listen, but she doesn't.
 I tell her she is not conversing with me.
 I tell her I can't understand what she is saying.
 I tell her she has poor language skills.
 She continues to ask me about irrelevant questions.
 I finally give up and just start guessing at my password.
 I make a good guess and get signed on, after 30 minutes of horseshit.
 ATT blows dead bears.
 Now how do I get ATT to hear this?
 Regards,  Bob S.


 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 22/02/2013 12:10 PM, Walt wrote:


 On 2/21/2013 7:51 PM, Bill wrote:


 On 20/02/2013 8:18 PM, Walt wrote:


 On 2/20/2013 8:15 PM, Bill wrote:


 OK, so I got that out of the way.
 I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win
 8
 installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and
 unkind
 to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to Windows
 8.
 It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile,
 golden
 shower of an operating system.
 I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across
 about just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been
 on this
 list for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how
 much bad
 stuff I can say about things that annoy me.
 I must get rid of it, and soon.

 Help me.

 bill

 Untold millions share your pain. FWIW, here's what I did for the new
 desktop at work:

 http://www.classicshell.net



 Yup, that helped. Actually gives it the best of both worlds. Has the
 Win
 XP look and usability with all the progressive features of Win 8.
 Wife happy. Happy wife, happy life. I'm happy.
 Thanks Walt.

 bill

 Glad to help.

 Here's a long (23 minutes) video review with a litany of all that's
 wrong
 with it -- so far.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTYet-qf1jo

 -- Walt

 Yeah. That's pretty much it.
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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[David Mann]

On Feb 22, 2013, at 6:51 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:

 What I don't understand is why changing the OS means changing the user 
 interface.  

They have to make it *look* like they've changed the OS.  Nobody will buy it 
without new shiny.

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[Bill]

On 21/02/2013 11:45 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Remember Vista?
Remember XP before the third is a series of fixes?
Point taken. My gripe with Vista was getting it to play nice on the 
network. Once we turned off all the security warnings and got it 
networking, it was fine. PITA for the first hour. I like XP, though 
admittedly I didn't get it until it was well and truly established.
Generally, I've stayed away from the OS's that haven't been so good (the 
every other one thing).


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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[Bill]

On 21/02/2013 11:51 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Feb 21, 2013, at 6:45 PM, Bill wrote:


On 20/02/2013 9:48 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Well, what did you expect from Microsoft?  A user-friendly operating system?

Honestly Dan, this is the first time I've run into a Win OS that has sucked. 
Over the past couple of years, I've had the pleasure of using a couple of Mac 
laptops, and they have been different, but still intuitive. I can see why 
people like the things. What I didn't see was a huge advantage over what I'm 
using now (Win7)

What I don't understand is why changing the OS means changing the user 
interface.
In the case of Win 8, the opening screen is the start screen, much like 
on a tablet. If you hit the start button on a regular MS OS, and it gave 
you a screen instead of a pop up, the start screen is what it would give 
you.
One of the Apps is the desktop. I suspect that app doesn't come on 
tablets. One can remove all the apps from the start screen except the 
ones that are used, any programs you install will show up as an icon on 
the start screen.
It's easy enough, but for me, they could have left that screen off on 
the computer versions of the OS.


The UI/windows manager/shell is just another program on top of the OS.

Microsoft is trying to make a UI that will work on both tablets and desktops.  
What it will get is something that doesn't work well on either.
My guess is it will work very well on tablets. It wasn't that much off 
my Android for usability, and for people who carry a tablet and have a 
laptop at home, I expect the familiarity that Win8 brings from the 
tablet to the PC will make it easier for tablet users.
My wife and I both prefer working from the desktop though, and with that 
in mind Classic Shell does the trick.


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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[John Sessoms]

Is that a rhetorical question?

From: kwaller

From bill or Microsoft ? ;+


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I expected better.


From: Daniel J. Matyola

Well, what did you expect from Microsoft?  A user-friendly operating
system?
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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[John Sessoms]

From: Larry Colen


On Feb 21, 2013, at 6:45 PM, Bill wrote:

On 20/02/2013 9:48 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Well, what did you expect from Microsoft?  A user-friendly operating system?

Honestly Dan, this is the first time I've run into a Win OS that
has sucked. Over the past couple of years, I've had the pleasure of
using a couple of Mac laptops, and they have been different, but
still intuitive. I can see why people like the things. What I
didn't see was a huge advantage over what I'm using now (Win7)


What I don't understand is why changing the OS means changing the user 
interface.

The UI/windows manager/shell is just another program on top of the OS.

Microsoft is trying to make a UI that will work on both tablets and
desktops.  What it will get is something that doesn't work well on
either.


Trying to increase market share for WindozePhones.

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[John Sessoms]

From: David Mann


On Feb 22, 2013, at 6:51 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:


What I don't understand is why changing the OS means changing the
user interface.


They have to make it *look* like they've changed the OS.  Nobody will
buy it without new shiny.

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[Bruce Walker]

On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 11:05 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 From: David Mann

 On Feb 22, 2013, at 6:51 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:

 What I don't understand is why changing the OS means changing the
 user interface.

 They have to make it *look* like they've changed the OS.  Nobody will
 buy it without new shiny.

 Dave

 Chrome plating a turd doesn't make it any less of a piece of shit.

That's not Microsoft's primary concern. Revenue and shareholder value
is. Thus the chrome plating.

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[Walt]

On 2/21/2013 7:51 PM, Bill wrote:

On 20/02/2013 8:18 PM, Walt wrote:

On 2/20/2013 8:15 PM, Bill wrote:

OK, so I got that out of the way.
I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with 
Win 8 installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to 
it, and unkind to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when 
compared to Windows 8.
It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, 
golden shower of an operating system.
I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across 
about just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been 
on this list for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of 
just how much bad stuff I can say about things that annoy me.

I must get rid of it, and soon.

Help me.

bill

Untold millions share your pain. FWIW, here's what I did for the new 
desktop at work:


http://www.classicshell.net


Yup, that helped. Actually gives it the best of both worlds. Has the 
Win XP look and usability with all the progressive features of Win 8.

Wife happy. Happy wife, happy life. I'm happy.
Thanks Walt.

bill


Glad to help.

Here's a long (23 minutes) video review with a litany of all that's 
wrong with it -- so far.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTYet-qf1jo

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[kwaller]

Is that a rhetorical question?


Mostly, but were you referring to microsoft and their product or bill in his 
response - ie more irate?


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- Original Message - 
From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com

Subject: Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.



Is that a rhetorical question?

From: kwaller

From bill or Microsoft ? ;+


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- Original Message -
From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com
Subject: Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.



I expected better.


From: Daniel J. Matyola

Well, what did you expect from Microsoft?  A user-friendly operating
system?
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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[Doug Franklin]

On 2013-02-22 0:51, Larry Colen wrote:


Microsoft is trying to make a UI that will work on both tablets and desktops.  
What it will get is something that doesn't work well on either.


That is exactly what they got.

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

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From: kwaller


Is that a rhetorical question?


Mostly, but were you referring to microsoft and their product or bill in his
response - ie more irate?


Microsoft. You'd think they'd have learned by now.

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[Bill]

On 22/02/2013 12:10 PM, Walt wrote:

On 2/21/2013 7:51 PM, Bill wrote:

On 20/02/2013 8:18 PM, Walt wrote:

On 2/20/2013 8:15 PM, Bill wrote:

OK, so I got that out of the way.
I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with 
Win 8 installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to 
it, and unkind to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when 
compared to Windows 8.
It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, 
golden shower of an operating system.
I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across 
about just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have 
been on this list for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware 
of just how much bad stuff I can say about things that annoy me.

I must get rid of it, and soon.

Help me.

bill

Untold millions share your pain. FWIW, here's what I did for the new 
desktop at work:


http://www.classicshell.net


Yup, that helped. Actually gives it the best of both worlds. Has the 
Win XP look and usability with all the progressive features of Win 8.

Wife happy. Happy wife, happy life. I'm happy.
Thanks Walt.

bill


Glad to help.

Here's a long (23 minutes) video review with a litany of all that's 
wrong with it -- so far.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTYet-qf1jo

-- Walt


Yeah. That's pretty much it.
bill

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[Bob Sullivan]

Speaking of Horseshit, I have another nomination.
I'm staying in a Hilton hotel tonight.
As an HH Honors member they seemed to offer free internet.
(Most every motel on the interstate highway offers free internet.)
On closer inspection, not really free at Hilton.
No problem says I, the alternative is free to ATT customers.
So I try that option, not quite.
We need your ATT address and password.
That I don't really remember, but with a cell phone call they help me
with my address.
Can't do anything about the password though.
Have to call this other number for that.
So I call.
While a black man with poor English was helpful on the first call,
the oriental woman on the second call was unbelievable!
First, she has an unintelliginle accent - very poor Engllish language
pronounciation.
Second, she's talking so fast, I can't make out what she is saying.
(And I've got a pretty good ear for it after my share of 3 hour conf
calls to China.)
Third, everything she says is clipped.  It is being dropped by the
cellphone connection.
And fourth and most infuriating, she isn't listening!
I say something and she launches into a 25 second sing-song  monologue.
I talk over her, but she just continues to speak..
I tell her to listen, but she doesn't.
I tell her she is not conversing with me.
I tell her I can't understand what she is saying.
I tell her she has poor language skills.
She continues to ask me about irrelevant questions.
I finally give up and just start guessing at my password.
I make a good guess and get signed on, after 30 minutes of horseshit.
ATT blows dead bears.
Now how do I get ATT to hear this?
Regards,  Bob S.


On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 22/02/2013 12:10 PM, Walt wrote:

 On 2/21/2013 7:51 PM, Bill wrote:

 On 20/02/2013 8:18 PM, Walt wrote:

 On 2/20/2013 8:15 PM, Bill wrote:

 OK, so I got that out of the way.
 I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 8
 installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and 
 unkind
 to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to Windows 8.
 It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, golden
 shower of an operating system.
 I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across
 about just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been on 
 this
 list for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how much 
 bad
 stuff I can say about things that annoy me.
 I must get rid of it, and soon.

 Help me.

 bill

 Untold millions share your pain. FWIW, here's what I did for the new
 desktop at work:

 http://www.classicshell.net


 Yup, that helped. Actually gives it the best of both worlds. Has the Win
 XP look and usability with all the progressive features of Win 8.
 Wife happy. Happy wife, happy life. I'm happy.
 Thanks Walt.

 bill

 Glad to help.

 Here's a long (23 minutes) video review with a litany of all that's wrong
 with it -- so far.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTYet-qf1jo

 -- Walt

 Yeah. That's pretty much it.
 bill

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RE: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[Bob W]

you probably got one of the European versions that was labelled as bullshit.

B

 -Original Message-
 From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bill
 Sent: 21 February 2013 02:16
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: Windows 8 is Horseshit.
 
 OK, so I got that out of the way.
 I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 8
 installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and
 unkind to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to
 Windows 8.
 It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, golden
 shower of an operating system.
 I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across
 about just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been on
 this list for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how
 much bad stuff I can say about things that annoy me.
 I must get rid of it, and soon.
 
 Help me.
 
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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[David J Brooks]

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:36 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 From: Bill

 OK, so I got that out of the way.



 That was pretty much my take on Windoze8 as well. I'd contact the
 manufacturer  make a nuisance of myself.

Bill proved that the 6x7 mirror shake was a myth, so if he says
Windows 8 blows, then it blows.

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[John Sessoms]

I expected better.


From: Daniel J. Matyola

Well, what did you expect from Microsoft?  A user-friendly operating system?
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On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:

OK, so I got that out of the way.
I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 8
installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and unkind
to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to Windows 8.
It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, golden
shower of an operating system.
I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across about
just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been on this list
for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how much bad stuff
I can say about things that annoy me.
I must get rid of it, and soon.

Help me.

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[John Mullan]

Bill,

It really isn't as bad as all that.  Especially on a laptop.  Slide your 
finger onto the touchpad from the right to pull up charms, do the same from 
the left side to go to the last app, and down from the top to bring up the 
menu for the program.  Far easier than the hot corners.  Windows key and D 
gets the desktop, Windows key and X brings up a useful menu.  It is just a 
matter of it being different.  I have to sell the stuff, so I am becoming 
used to it and it really isn't that bad.


John Mullan


-Original Message- 
From: Bill

Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 9:15 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

OK, so I got that out of the way.
I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 8
installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and
unkind to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to
Windows 8.
It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, golden
shower of an operating system.
I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across
about just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been on
this list for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how
much bad stuff I can say about things that annoy me.
I must get rid of it, and soon.

Help me.

bill

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[Bill]

On 20/02/2013 8:18 PM, Walt wrote:

On 2/20/2013 8:15 PM, Bill wrote:

OK, so I got that out of the way.
I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 
8 installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, 
and unkind to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared 
to Windows 8.
It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, 
golden shower of an operating system.
I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across 
about just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been 
on this list for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of 
just how much bad stuff I can say about things that annoy me.

I must get rid of it, and soon.

Help me.

bill

Untold millions share your pain. FWIW, here's what I did for the new 
desktop at work:


http://www.classicshell.net


Yup, that helped. Actually gives it the best of both worlds. Has the Win 
XP look and usability with all the progressive features of Win 8.

Wife happy. Happy wife, happy life. I'm happy.
Thanks Walt.

bill

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[Bill]

On 20/02/2013 9:48 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Well, what did you expect from Microsoft?  A user-friendly operating system?
Honestly Dan, this is the first time I've run into a Win OS that has 
sucked. Over the past couple of years, I've had the pleasure of using a 
couple of Mac laptops, and they have been different, but still 
intuitive. I can see why people like the things. What I didn't see was a 
huge advantage over what I'm using now (Win7)


bill




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On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:

OK, so I got that out of the way.
I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 8
installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and unkind
to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to Windows 8.
It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, golden
shower of an operating system.
I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across about
just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been on this list
for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how much bad stuff
I can say about things that annoy me.
I must get rid of it, and soon.

Help me.

bill

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[kwaller]

From bill or Microsoft ? ;+


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- Original Message - 
From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com

Subject: Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.



I expected better.


From: Daniel J. Matyola
Well, what did you expect from Microsoft?  A user-friendly operating 
system?

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com 
wrote:

OK, so I got that out of the way.
I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 8
installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and 
unkind

to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to Windows 8.
It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, golden
shower of an operating system.
I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across 
about
just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been on this 
list
for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how much bad 
stuff

I can say about things that annoy me.
I must get rid of it, and soon.

Help me.

bill




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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Remember Vista?
Remember XP before the third is a series of fixes?
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On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 20/02/2013 9:48 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

 Well, what did you expect from Microsoft?  A user-friendly operating
 system?

 Honestly Dan, this is the first time I've run into a Win OS that has sucked.
 Over the past couple of years, I've had the pleasure of using a couple of
 Mac laptops, and they have been different, but still intuitive. I can see
 why people like the things. What I didn't see was a huge advantage over what
 I'm using now (Win7)

 bill



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 On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:

 OK, so I got that out of the way.
 I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 8
 installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and
 unkind
 to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to Windows 8.
 It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, golden
 shower of an operating system.
 I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across about
 just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been on this
 list
 for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how much bad
 stuff
 I can say about things that annoy me.
 I must get rid of it, and soon.

 Help me.

 bill

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[Larry Colen]

On Feb 21, 2013, at 6:45 PM, Bill wrote:

 On 20/02/2013 9:48 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
 Well, what did you expect from Microsoft?  A user-friendly operating system?
 Honestly Dan, this is the first time I've run into a Win OS that has sucked. 
 Over the past couple of years, I've had the pleasure of using a couple of Mac 
 laptops, and they have been different, but still intuitive. I can see why 
 people like the things. What I didn't see was a huge advantage over what I'm 
 using now (Win7)

What I don't understand is why changing the OS means changing the user 
interface.  

The UI/windows manager/shell is just another program on top of the OS.

Microsoft is trying to make a UI that will work on both tablets and desktops.  
What it will get is something that doesn't work well on either.

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[Walt]

On 2/20/2013 8:15 PM, Bill wrote:

OK, so I got that out of the way.
I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 
8 installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, 
and unkind to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared 
to Windows 8.
It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, golden 
shower of an operating system.
I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across 
about just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been 
on this list for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just 
how much bad stuff I can say about things that annoy me.

I must get rid of it, and soon.

Help me.

bill

Untold millions share your pain. FWIW, here's what I did for the new 
desktop at work:


http://www.classicshell.net/

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[Bruce Walker]

I'm actually glad that Win8 was created if only to have been able to
read this entertaining and bar-raising critique of it.

Bravo, Bill; Bravo!


On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
 OK, so I got that out of the way.
 I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 8
 installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and unkind
 to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to Windows 8.
 It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, golden
 shower of an operating system.
 I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across about
 just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been on this list
 for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how much bad stuff
 I can say about things that annoy me.
 I must get rid of it, and soon.

 Help me.

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[David Parsons]

I use Classic Shell as well.  The whole Start Screen and hot corners
is really annoying to deal with.

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 2/20/2013 8:15 PM, Bill wrote:

 OK, so I got that out of the way.
 I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 8
 installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and unkind
 to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to Windows 8.
 It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, golden
 shower of an operating system.
 I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across about
 just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been on this list
 for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how much bad stuff
 I can say about things that annoy me.
 I must get rid of it, and soon.

 Help me.

 bill

 Untold millions share your pain. FWIW, here's what I did for the new desktop
 at work:

 http://www.classicshell.net/

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Re: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Well, what did you expect from Microsoft?  A user-friendly operating system?
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On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
 OK, so I got that out of the way.
 I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 8
 installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and unkind
 to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to Windows 8.
 It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, golden
 shower of an operating system.
 I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across about
 just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been on this list
 for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how much bad stuff
 I can say about things that annoy me.
 I must get rid of it, and soon.

 Help me.

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RE: Windows 8 is Horseshit.

[John Sessoms]

From: Bill

OK, so I got that out of the way.
I just bought my wife a new laptop, which unfortunately came with Win 8
installed. To say it licks donkey balls is being both kind to it, and
unkind to donkey balls lickers, who are not so bad when compared to
Windows 8.
It is a crap spewing, drowning us in chunky wet vomit, puerile, golden
shower of an operating system.
I just cannot say enough bad about Windows 8 to get my point across
about just what an abomination it is, and those of you who have been on
this list for more than a bakers dozen years are well aware of just how
much bad stuff I can say about things that annoy me.
I must get rid of it, and soon.

Help me.

bill


That was pretty much my take on Windoze8 as well. I'd contact the 
manufacturer  make a nuisance of myself.


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Re: Windows 8 Makes Me Consider a Mac

[Steve Cottrell]

On 29/11/12, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

Barely. Official release date of the Apple iPhone was June 29th, 2007.

24th November here in the UK. Got the first one on that day. I wish I
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RE: Windows 8 Makes Me Consider a Mac

[Bob W]

 From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen
 
 One of my big peeves is making the user interface an intrinsic part of
 the operating system.  There's no need for it.  You should be able to
 run a UI on whatever OS you want, whether it's Windows 7, 8 or XP, or
 for that matter Linux or OSX.
 

You're talking about 2 different things there. 

One is whether or not the UI is an instrinsic part of the OS, and in each of
the example OSes it is not - they are all fat kernel OSs, and don't actually
need the standard UI in order to operate the computer. Server versions of
operating systems run without a UI in unattended data centres and expect you
to remote in if you want to control them

Two is whether or not a UI can run on different OSes. In principle, any UI
that's built on X can do that, and any UI that takes a similar approach of
having an abstraction layer (like X) between the OS and the UI can do the
same thing, but people have to provide the abstraction layers. In the case
of Windows I don't think there are any, so you can't just take the Windows
UI and stick it on top of Plan 9, for example, but I bet it could be done.

Windows, at least the pro versions, comes with a POSIX subsystem so you can
run native UNIX on a Windows kernel, without the Windows susbsystem (this is
probably not very clear, but it's only an email). This means that you can
run X, which in turn means you can run any of the UIs that run on X.

B


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Re: Windows 8 Makes Me Consider a Mac

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On Nov 28, 2012, at 11:34 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm not so sure about Windows 8, but I've got to give Apple credit for
 making the touch-screen popular.  Hewlett-Packard had a whole bunch of
 touch screen laptops, but couldn't get any customer sell-thru. (2-4
 years ago)  

The touch-screen iPhone was introduced more than five years ago.

 Apple did this new technology and now everyone is trying
 to capitalize on it.  Sometimes it doesn't pay to be on the leading
 edge - poor H-P.
 Regards,  Bob S.
 
 On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:22 PM, John Coyle jco...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 Hi Rob - where did you find that?  I've an HTC One X and haven't seen that 
 anywhere (and it won't
 read QR codes either!)
 
 John Coyle
 Brisbane, Australia
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Rob Studdert
 Sent: Thursday, 29 November 2012 1:01 PM
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: Re: Windows 8 Makes Me Consider a Mac
 
 On 29 November 2012 02:03, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 At 64, I guess I've reached olde fartedom. But I need a smartphone for my 
 business, and bought my
 first, a Droid 2, a couple of years ago. I opted for the android phone in 
 part because, at the time,
 Verizon didn't support iPhones, and because the Droid 2 had a slide out mini 
 keyboard. At the store
 I had tried typing on the screen of another android phone without keyboard 
 and found it nearly
 impossible. At first I used the slide out keyboard on the D2, but it was 
 cumbersome and slow. I
 eventually learned to manage fairly well typing on the screen but frequently 
 had to backtrack to
 correct mistakes. A few weeks ago I became eligible for a phone upgrade, so 
 I stopped in at the
 Verizon store and tried several phones. I found that the iPhone 5 was much 
 easier to type on than
 any of the android phones. Don't know why, but it's easier to hit the right 
 letter on the touch
 screen. Now, I can buzz along rather well, with a hunt and peck method and 
 have found that I can
 even manage the two thumb technique. I will probably continue to practice 
 that. Sending e-mail from
 the phone is important to my journalism work, so it's worth the effort. Old 
 fartedom has at least
 been delayed.
 
 MY HTC Android phone has a quick calibration routine which once undertaken 
 reduces erroneous
 keystrokes markedly.
 
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Re: Windows 8 Makes Me Consider a Mac

[Bob Sullivan]

Paul,
And between the iphone and the ipad touch, they have built up quite a following.
Really, they defined the market and function of touch screens.
H-P was just too early to know what tablet computers should be.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 6:37 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:

 On Nov 28, 2012, at 11:34 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm not so sure about Windows 8, but I've got to give Apple credit for
 making the touch-screen popular.  Hewlett-Packard had a whole bunch of
 touch screen laptops, but couldn't get any customer sell-thru. (2-4
 years ago)

 The touch-screen iPhone was introduced more than five years ago.

 Apple did this new technology and now everyone is trying
 to capitalize on it.  Sometimes it doesn't pay to be on the leading
 edge - poor H-P.
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:22 PM, John Coyle jco...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 Hi Rob - where did you find that?  I've an HTC One X and haven't seen that 
 anywhere (and it won't
 read QR codes either!)

 John Coyle
 Brisbane, Australia



 -Original Message-
 From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Rob Studdert
 Sent: Thursday, 29 November 2012 1:01 PM
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: Re: Windows 8 Makes Me Consider a Mac

 On 29 November 2012 02:03, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:

 At 64, I guess I've reached olde fartedom. But I need a smartphone for my 
 business, and bought my
 first, a Droid 2, a couple of years ago. I opted for the android phone in 
 part because, at the time,
 Verizon didn't support iPhones, and because the Droid 2 had a slide out 
 mini keyboard. At the store
 I had tried typing on the screen of another android phone without keyboard 
 and found it nearly
 impossible. At first I used the slide out keyboard on the D2, but it was 
 cumbersome and slow. I
 eventually learned to manage fairly well typing on the screen but 
 frequently had to backtrack to
 correct mistakes. A few weeks ago I became eligible for a phone upgrade, so 
 I stopped in at the
 Verizon store and tried several phones. I found that the iPhone 5 was much 
 easier to type on than
 any of the android phones. Don't know why, but it's easier to hit the right 
 letter on the touch
 screen. Now, I can buzz along rather well, with a hunt and peck method and 
 have found that I can
 even manage the two thumb technique. I will probably continue to practice 
 that. Sending e-mail from
 the phone is important to my journalism work, so it's worth the effort. Old 
 fartedom has at least
 been delayed.

 MY HTC Android phone has a quick calibration routine which once undertaken 
 reduces erroneous
 keystrokes markedly.

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Re: Windows 8 Makes Me Consider a Mac

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 4:37 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:

 The touch-screen iPhone was introduced more than five years ago.

Barely. Official release date of the Apple iPhone was June 29th, 2007.

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RE: Windows 8 Makes Me Consider a Mac

[John Sessoms]

From: Bob W

From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Sessoms

My experience with XP is that even if you right click  tell it to keep
the item on the menu permanently, eventually it will still wander off
somewhere. You'll have to hunt it down and pin it there again. You
just don't have to do it as frequently.



that's never happened to me. You must have pixies in your house who do it
while you're asleep.


Yeah, but you'd think they'd at least have the common curtsey to have
my coffee ready when I wake up in the mornings.

I think it may be some function of how frequently you use the start menu
for launching programs. I seldom do. The programs I use are almost all
either on the Quick Launch or are represented as desktop short-cuts I
can double click.

There are some programs I might use once or twice a year pinned to the
Start Menu itself, and those are the ones that seem prone to eventually
wander off.

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Re: Windows 8 Makes Me Consider a Mac

[Joseph McAllister]

On Nov 27, 2012, at 15:30 , Bob W wrote:

 it's the same Pavlovian reflex, but in reverse, of the Mac-dweebs' dribbling
 braindead love of every white, cabbagey fart that comes out of Cupertino.
 
 B


Whew! That's not me. My iMac and my iPad are both brushed aluminum and black. 
Hardly ever use my old 13 white MacBook anymore. Too heavy.


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Re: Windows 8 Makes Me Consider a Mac

[Joseph McAllister]

On Nov 27, 2012, at 19:14 , William Robb wrote:

 If you are worried about finding drivers, you will have just as much trouble, 
 if not more trouble, finding them for a Mac, I would bet.

Drivers? Never had to get any Drivers for my Macs. Everything comes installed 
already. And if there's an upgrade offered, it does it if you allow it to.

Now if you wanted to print with a 9 pin or line printer this month, you may 
have to do some searching, or coding, to make it happen.



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Re: Windows 8 Makes Me Consider a Mac

[Paul Stenquist]

On Nov 28, 2012, at 5:44 AM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote:

 
 On Nov 27, 2012, at 19:14 , William Robb wrote:
 
 If you are worried about finding drivers, you will have just as much 
 trouble, if not more trouble, finding them for a Mac, I would bet.
 
 Drivers? Never had to get any Drivers for my Macs. Everything comes installed 
 already. And if there's an upgrade offered, it does it if you allow it to.
 
 Now if you wanted to print with a 9 pin or line printer this month, you may 
 have to do some searching, or coding, to make it happen.
 
You do have to get Mac drivers for peripherals like printers and scanners, but 
with OSX 10.8, if the driver isn't there when you turn the printer on, the Mac 
will ask if you want to update the software. If you answer in the affirmative, 
it will take you to the download. 

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Re: Windows 8 Makes Me Consider a Mac

[Joseph McAllister]

On Nov 27, 2012, at 13:24 , Bruce Walker wrote:

 There just better continue to be an escape hatch to Old Fart Mode or
 there's gonna be trouble. :-)

Trust me - in Old Farte Mode, you are NOT going to be able to thumb-type whilst 
holding on to almost any size or make of communication device.

At some point, the inaccuracies that Old Fartes put to screen with a full size, 
non-chicklet keyboard are very time consuming to go back over and correct. 

Unless you are Brooke. 

Maybe youth and David have something there - it's not the form nor format as 
long as the general idea is communicated.





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Re: Windows 8 Makes Me Consider a Mac

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On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 5:44 AM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote:

 Now if you wanted to print with a 9 pin or line printer this month, you
 may have to do some searching, or coding, to make it happen.

Not so. Not that it matters much to most people, but USB to 9-pin
serial and USB to Centronics (parallel printer) interface dongles are
widely available cheap -- I have one of each at least. If you plug
that into your Mac and hook it up to your ancient printer, the
built-in Ghostscript drivers in Mac OS X will get you printing in
moments.

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Re: Windows 8 Makes Me Consider a Mac

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On Nov 28, 2012, at 5:29 AM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote:

 
 On Nov 27, 2012, at 13:24 , Bruce Walker wrote:
 
 There just better continue to be an escape hatch to Old Fart Mode or
 there's gonna be trouble. :-)
 
 Trust me - in Old Farte Mode, you are NOT going to be able to thumb-type 
 whilst holding on to almost any size or make of communication device.
 
 At some point, the inaccuracies that Old Fartes put to screen with a full 
 size, non-chicklet keyboard are very time consuming to go back over and 
 correct. 
 
 Unless you are Brooke. 
 
 Maybe youth and David have something there - it's not the form nor format as 
 long as the general idea is communicated.
 
 
 
At 64, I guess I've reached olde fartedom. But I need a smartphone for my 
business, and bought my first, a Droid 2, a couple of years ago. I opted for 
the android phone in part because, at the time, Verizon didn't support iPhones, 
and because the Droid 2 had a slide out mini keyboard. At the store I had tried 
typing on the screen of another android phone without keyboard and found it 
nearly impossible. At first I used the slide out keyboard on the D2, but it was 
cumbersome and slow. I eventually learned to manage fairly well typing on the 
screen but frequently had to backtrack to correct mistakes. A few weeks ago I 
became eligible for a phone upgrade, so I stopped in at the Verizon store and 
tried several phones. I found that the iPhone 5 was much easier to type on than 
any of the android phones. Don't know why, but it's easier to hit the right 
letter on the touch screen. Now, I can buzz along rather well, with a hunt and 
peck method and have found that I can even manage the two thumb technique. I 
will probably continue to practice that. Sending e-mail from the phone is 
important to my journalism work, so it's worth the effort. Old fartedom has at 
least been delayed.
 
 
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