RE: pancake question
>Do you think they are really buying the pancake because it is a >collectable? >It isn't, to my knowledge, a rarity. I think they were produced in pretty >great quantity. I think the lens has gained an undeserved reputation of >being an extremely sharp lens, because of all of the BS written about it in >ebay item descriptions. The sheer numbers of them that pass through ebay >should make folks wonder exactly how good they could actually be. If it >was >a really great lens, and a collectable, there wouldn't be so many of them >available. If you mean the M40/2.8, I would agree with you. I didn't see what so special about that lens other than it's compact size (a minus to me actually because it was too small to operate comfortably). I think some people just tried to make something out of nothing. regards, Alan Chan _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: pancake question
>But the FA 43 f/1.9 just doesn't seem to inspire the fervor, >neither here nor on ebay, that the original pancake does, so >maybe the 3mm longer and the f/1.9 aperture just doesn't equate >to a genuine pancake lens. Perhaps folks want their lenses >small and soft, relatively speaking, because the pancake is not >anywhere close to as good as the FA 43 f/1.9 in performance. I'd say the time for the FA43/1.9 hasn't come yet. The M40/2.8 was once like the dirt cheap 50mm and they were everywhere. It wasn't something special or expensive, and many showed up in 2ndhand shops at dirt cheap prices. 15+ years on, somehow the pancake fever took off and many people wanted one and paid ridiculous price for it. Consider the FA43/1.9 was truly the most compact and well made AF lens ever, I'd say it will become a highly desirable item in the future too. Perhaps another 15+ years? regards, Alan Chan _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: pancake question
Hi, Len, Interesting. When I borrowed Wendy's MX, I didn't expect to find the 40mm pancake on it. Having read opinions on this list similar to yours, Len, I really didn't expect much from it in terms of sharpness. Maybe it was my low expectation that caused me to be pleasantly surprised when I got back my first roll, and found the prints to be quite sharp. But maybe I have low standards... ;-) In any event, I still want one. Not as a collectable, obviously, but as a user. And, I have to admit, part of the allure for me is its size. I think it would be wasted on any camera but the MX or one of the other M series bodies (size-wise), as they're so physically compatible. Thanks to all who replied regarding whether the price of the one that I'm looking at is reasonable - as I suspected, it seems to be. regards, frank "Paris, Leonard" wrote: > Do you think they are really buying the pancake because it is a collectable? > It isn't, to my knowledge, a rarity. I think they were produced in pretty > great quantity. I think the lens has gained an undeserved reputation of > being an extremely sharp lens, because of all of the BS written about it in > ebay item descriptions. The sheer numbers of them that pass through ebay > should make folks wonder exactly how good they could actually be. If it was > a really great lens, and a collectable, there wouldn't be so many of them > available. > -- "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: pancake question
Do you think they are really buying the pancake because it is a collectable? It isn't, to my knowledge, a rarity. I think they were produced in pretty great quantity. I think the lens has gained an undeserved reputation of being an extremely sharp lens, because of all of the BS written about it in ebay item descriptions. The sheer numbers of them that pass through ebay should make folks wonder exactly how good they could actually be. If it was a really great lens, and a collectable, there wouldn't be so many of them available. Len --- -Original Message- From: Pål Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 12:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: pancake question That's because the 43 Limited is available brand new and hence is not "collectable". Those who want to pay high prices for their lenses just order their 43 Limited from their nearest camera shop. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: pancake question
>>that the 43 is a pancake. If you take the hood off, it's pretty small. With the hood pn it looks like a normal 50. > > Well, normal aluminum-encased 50mm. > > Also, it's still in production and doesn't have the "no-longer-available" aura. > Indeed- but you forgot to point out that it has autofocus evil. (jk) -R - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: pancake question
But the FA 43 f/1.9 just doesn't seem to inspire the fervor, neither here nor on ebay, that the original pancake does, so maybe the 3mm longer and the f/1.9 aperture just doesn't equate to a genuine pancake lens. Perhaps folks want their lenses small and soft, relatively speaking, because the pancake is not anywhere close to as good as the FA 43 f/1.9 in performance. Len --- > If I remembered correctly, the FA43/1.9 was considered to be a pancake lens > when it was released few years ago. > > regards, > Alan Chan - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: pancake question
I will sell mine for $125 + actual priority mail cost. So that seems like a good price from a store. http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto/_images/M40mm-28.jpg http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto/_images/M40mm-28a.jpg Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 5:38 PM Subject: pancake question > I've seen a 2.8 40mm pancake at a local shop for $200 Cdn (that would be > about $130US, give or take), with a 6 month warranty. I'm sorely > tempted. > > I had the pleasure of using Wendy's for a couple of weeks, and I have to > say, I loved it. Over and above the fact that it's so compact, and > matches the MX so nicely in size, I found it to be a very sharp > distortion free lens. Use hyperfocus at about f16, and it's a focus > free lens from, what, about 2 or 3 feet out? Great for street > photography (if only I were good at it!). > > There's currently one on eBay for over $200US, and Henry's has another > starting at $150US (no bids yet). > > Just looking for opinions as to whether circa $135US is a good price. > > thanks, > frank > > -- > "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The > pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert > Oppenheimer > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: pancake question
On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 05:38:00PM -0500, frank theriault wrote: > > There's currently one on eBay for over $200US, and Henry's has another > starting at $150US (no bids yet). keh has one listed in exc condition for 199 USD. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
