Re[2]: Photo Life Magazine contest: Is it a scam ?
Hi, $10- for one competition is fine, perhaps (apart from the principle of the thing), but students etc. need to enter 10, 20, 30 and more competitions every year to build recognition with judges, to let them know that one win or commendation isn't a fluke, that they have more than one good photo etc. On this scale it stops being nominal, for a student or a young aspiring professional who would rather spend their money on film or printing. --- Bob mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sunday, July 08, 2001, 3:15:22 PM, you wrote: > Hi, Bob, > I understand what you're saying, and to some extent I agree. It does appear that it > might be the thin edge of the wedge. Now it's $10, next time it's $25, then it's $50 > or $100. > My point is that $10 is nominal. Even if they're struggling photogs, they came up > with the $$ for a camera, film, and processing. Or film and chemicals to process. > Surely $10 isn't the most expensive part of the whole deal. Surely that entrance fee > is not going to make or break the deal from an economic point of view. > However, if one is morally offended by such a nominal entrance fee, one doesn't > enter. If enough people feel likewise, they won't have enough entries to have a > decent contest. > I'm not entering one way or the other, so it's all moot to me. But I don't think > economics enters into this one, imho. > regards, > frank > Bob Walkden wrote: >> Hi, >> >> > all). Maybe the idea is to cut down on the frivolous entries. >> >> ah, but where does that leave the non-frivolous struggling artists, >> students etc. who may have genius but no money? If the idea of paying >> to enter a serious competition became a widespread practice then it would >> close off an important avenue to recognition for aspiring professionals >> and would mean that competitions were not primarily about talent, but >> about the ability to pay. A great many of the best-known photographers in >> the world got their break through competitions. >> >> --- >> >> Bob >> >> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> Sunday, July 08, 2001, 1:02:50 PM, you wrote: >> >> > Jim wrote: >> >> >> But $10 and up seems excessive to me, >> >> > Hey, it's only Canadian dollars! That's only about $5 US. >> >> > But seriously, I'm not that offended by the entry fee. Yes, with all those >> > sponsors there shouldn't be one. But it really is nominal (Canadian dollars and >> > all). Maybe the idea is to cut down on the frivolous entries. >> >> > I don't see it as a really big deal, one way or the other. >> >> - >> This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, >> go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to >> visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > -- > "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it > is true." -J. Robert > Oppenheimer > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re[2]: Photo Life Magazine contest: Is it a scam ?
Hi, > all). Maybe the idea is to cut down on the frivolous entries. ah, but where does that leave the non-frivolous struggling artists, students etc. who may have genius but no money? If the idea of paying to enter a serious competition became a widespread practice then it would close off an important avenue to recognition for aspiring professionals and would mean that competitions were not primarily about talent, but about the ability to pay. A great many of the best-known photographers in the world got their break through competitions. --- Bob mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sunday, July 08, 2001, 1:02:50 PM, you wrote: > Jim wrote: >> But $10 and up seems excessive to me, > Hey, it's only Canadian dollars! That's only about $5 US. > But seriously, I'm not that offended by the entry fee. Yes, with all those > sponsors there shouldn't be one. But it really is nominal (Canadian dollars and > all). Maybe the idea is to cut down on the frivolous entries. > I don't see it as a really big deal, one way or the other. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re(2): Photo Life Magazine contest: Is it a scam ?
I should acknowledge that the prizes being offered in this contest are very nice. Nevertheless, with the kind of sponsors listed (Nikon, Lowepro, Mamiya, etc.) the magazine should be able to afford running a contest without charging that much to entrants. Of course, maybe I'm just ignorant of the ways of good old Amer-uh, I mean Canadian business! :) Jim Again - Original Message - From: Michel Adam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 2:17 AM Subject: Photo Life Magazine contest: Is it a scam ? > > I just picked up the July issue of Photo Life, a Canadian magazine, and was reading the > rules of their contest, 'Image International 2001', when I came across the following: > > " 4 - Entry fees: $10 for one category (includes up to five images), $13 for two > categories (includes up to ten images), $16 for three categories (includes up to fifteen > images) ..." > > Has it come down to that even apparently reputable magazines are charging an entry > fee, like all the scam photo publications outfit we hear about? > > And to top it all, the government of Canada, via it's information office, reserves the right > to use your submitted photo on one of their web site! (Rule 10 of the contest). > > I don't normally pay attention to contests, since they usually exclude non-residents of > whichever country (usually the U.S.) the magazine is published from, but this one, being > 'local', so to speak, caught my eye. And they even made the contest international in nature! > > Is this fee thing an aberration or standard practice nowadays ? > > And what does it say about all the sponsors/prize providers (Kodak is one of them...) ? > I don't see how that would help the Canada Information Office to have pictures of Penguin > for winner in the Nature category (but then again, what are we to expect from bureaucrats, > business smarts ?). > > Relevant URLs: http://www.photolife.com/PhotoLife/contests.html > > Also: http://www.infocan.gc.ca/index_e.html , and click on 'Image of Canada and Canadians' > > > What say the PDML ? > > > > Michel > > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
