Re: *ist D - with no lens?!?
John, even better, if you package up the manual/boxes/receipts and MAIL them to yourself in Australia, you can carry the camera in your luggage without having to declare it at all. If they ask, just say that it is yours and that you took it with you in the first place. I did this when I went to Hong Kong and came back with a video camera and Nintendo Game Boy (for my little brother!)... tan. - Original Message - From: John Coyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 5:46 PM Subject: Re: *ist D - with no lens?!? Tanya, the GST on imports works like the old Import Taxes. The tax goes straight to the Government, but is levied on the deemed wholesale price (that is, the price in Australia, I think). So it might work out at 10% of some other price than what you pay for it. I'm going to Hong Kong and China in March, so I'm waiting until then! I can then bring it back as a personal import, and only pay GST on the value -$400 (duty free allowance for cameras - much too low!). John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 3:27 PM Subject: Re: *ist D - with no lens?!? Yeah, but who exactly does the GST go to? Like if I haven't been charged by say BH for GST, then if customs charges me with it and the transaction took place outside of the country, then how can the Aus Govt charge it as there is nobody within the country who will be eligible to claim the tax credits for it, iykwim? bloody GST, what a pain in the proverbial... tan.
Re: Aussie GST (Re: *ist D - with no lens?!?)
LOL! Ryan, this would be all well and good, except, I am pretty sure that apples, being fresh produce are in fact GST Free! hehe... Of course, I am only joking around, and I do understand your explanation of it all... I would also be eager to hear what comes of your Hong Kong guy... Now as for your what tha?! How funny that you should use that phrase as my 3yo has just this week started saying it, and it is SO hilarious. He always manages to use it in the right context and even throws his hands up in the air. I have no idea how he ever managed to see Rove, but he does tend to sneak out of his bed at night, so there is the possibility that he was watching over my shoulder one night. As for the Ambulance Levy - do you mean the one that it now in our Electricity account? That is just our normal QLD Ambulance cover, meaning that you no longer have to subscribe and that every QLD'er is automatically covered by it. ie whoever is in your house is covered by your elect. bill. I am PRETTY sure this is the way it works, but don't take it as gospel... tan. - Original Message - From: Ryan Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 5:23 PM Subject: Aussie GST (Re: *ist D - with no lens?!?) Hey Tan! Well I'm not exactly sure, but in my (very possibly flawed) logic, I'll try to work it out... As I understand it, GST here is what we (Eaters) pay the govt for the right to eat an apple in Australia. Businesses pay GST for 10 apples, and they claim back this GST (tax credit) for 10 apples when they sell them (because they are not the Eaters). If they don't sell the apples, they don't claim the tax credits because then they are the Eaters. If you buy an apple from Applerama in the states, you get charged because you are then assumed to be: a) The business- in which case you get charged GST, but can sell the apple and claim tax credits b) The Eater- in which case you pay the GST (the right to eat the apple in Australia), and have an American apple. That's how I understand it more or less.. Answering the question 'who exactly does the GST go to?'- the only place tax goes to is the govt, it's not supposed to go anywhere else. Now what we in Aus get out of it is a whole other thing. Given how high the GST is (albeit less than Canada) and income tax is, Australians sure don't get very much out of it (look what they're doing to Medicare, how unreliable public transport is, not to mention Howard and Nelson messing up education as well). I heard from some Norwegian friends they get 100% of their Aus education, living expenses paid upfront by the Norw. govt. and when they go back, they only have to repay 40%(which is why there are so many Norwegians in Brissie)! (If they go to uni in Norway, it's a free or a very nominal fee). And I heard healthcare is free, so is Internet access! Anyway, back to Australia, I've been checking up things they say on the aus.photo newsgroup, and recently there've been some interesting threads on import duty limits (I read that it may have been raised to $900 instead of $400). Also about mailorder there's a chance you escape GST if the seller is on your side enough to label your apple 'non commercial value gift' instead of 'Ebay purchase'. They do catch the occasional undervalued imports (and you pay up at the post office) by postal xrays etc. but they don't catch everything, so one benefit of buying online, is that you've got the chance of getting lucky. I mean, they're vigilant but they surely don't catch everything. Sometime back I sent an email to a very reputable (albeit mainly Canon) mailorder guy in HK, Hugo So, and he quoted me: Sigma EX 70-200 2.8 for Pentax mount $578 (pending stock check as I don't stock pentax system) Shipping $35 (Gross 2-2.5kg) Insurance $8 Total: $621 shipped and insured which is a very good price for that lens. Also I think if you asked him, he'd label it a gift too. I'm hoping to get the new 77mm version of the Sigma EX 17-35 2.8-4 from him in January.. Anyway, I just sent him an email asking if he had the *ist D, and am awaiting a reply. I'll let you know what he says. Meanwhile, you can check him out here http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/43780 Anyway.. before this becomes a novel, think I better grab some dinner. Ryan PS. Feel free to correct me if I severely got that apple analogy mistaken. Also! If there's something way over my head, you can explain to me what that Ambulance Levy is. As Rove would say, 'Wot tha?' :) Ta! - Original Message - From: Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 3:27 PM Subject: Re: *ist D - with no lens?!? Yeah, but who exactly does the GST go to? Like if I haven't been charged by say BH for GST, then if customs charges me with it and the transaction took place outside of the country, then how can the Aus Govt
Re: *ist D - with no lens?!?
Isn't that dishonest? Don ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery See New Pages 'The Cement Company from HELL!' Updated: August 15, 2003 Oh my God! They've killed Teddy! - Original Message - From: Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 12:59 PM Subject: Re: *ist D - with no lens?!? John, even better, if you package up the manual/boxes/receipts and MAIL them to yourself in Australia, you can carry the camera in your luggage without having to declare it at all. If they ask, just say that it is yours and that you took it with you in the first place. I did this when I went to Hong Kong and came back with a video camera and Nintendo Game Boy (for my little brother!)... tan. - Original Message - From: John Coyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 5:46 PM Subject: Re: *ist D - with no lens?!? Tanya, the GST on imports works like the old Import Taxes. The tax goes straight to the Government, but is levied on the deemed wholesale price (that is, the price in Australia, I think). So it might work out at 10% of some other price than what you pay for it. I'm going to Hong Kong and China in March, so I'm waiting until then! I can then bring it back as a personal import, and only pay GST on the value -$400 (duty free allowance for cameras - much too low!). John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 3:27 PM Subject: Re: *ist D - with no lens?!? Yeah, but who exactly does the GST go to? Like if I haven't been charged by say BH for GST, then if customs charges me with it and the transaction took place outside of the country, then how can the Aus Govt charge it as there is nobody within the country who will be eligible to claim the tax credits for it, iykwim? bloody GST, what a pain in the proverbial... tan.
Re: *ist D - with no lens?!?
- Original Message - From: Tanya Mayer Photography Subject: Re: *ist D - with no lens?!? I wrote: In regards to the *ist D - it seems that with my line up of lenses, it would probably be unwise to NOT purchase the 18-35mm, even though I don't go wide angle very often. So, I will keep my ear to the ground and see what becomes available after Christmas. Still planning on leasing at this stage though... Hmmm, now after Bruce's post, I am back to the drawing board... Mucho thinking to do before parting with any dosh I think... I expect that there will be more and more options coming down the pike as time goes on. My major complaint with the 18-35 is the speed, but this is a problem with zoom lenses in general, and the no aperture ring, which limits their use to program mode or shutter preferred automatic on older bodies. The options Bruce listed are no more than a half stop faster, no big hurrahs there. I wouldn't think that you would be using the 18-35 on a back up film body though, as you have other lenses more suited, though for those times when you want a very wide angle lens, it will work. I do suspect that a lot of wide angle zooms coming out for the digital cameras will probably not cover the full 35mm format properly, so if it is important to you that the lens work on both platforms, check the lens in question on a film body, and make sure there is coverage to the edges, and that the lens isn't mushy in the corners. Something like a 24-90 might be a very good wedding lens on the ist D. William Robb
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Which might lead one to think that there will be few, if any, new lenses coming out for film 35mm cameras. shel William Robb wrote: [...] I do suspect that a lot of wide angle zooms coming out for the digital cameras will probably not cover the full 35mm format properly, [...]
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And few if any new 35mm cameras. Bill - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 9:55 AM Subject: Re: *ist D - with no lens?!? Which might lead one to think that there will be few, if any, new lenses coming out for film 35mm cameras. shel William Robb wrote: [...] I do suspect that a lot of wide angle zooms coming out for the digital cameras will probably not cover the full 35mm format properly, [...]
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sigh Besides Leica, has anyone come out with a new 35mm film camera in the past year or so? Something that's not just a bells-and-whistles rehash of a previous model? Bill Owens wrote: And few if any new 35mm cameras. Bill
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- Original Message - From: Bill Owens Subject: Re: *ist D - with no lens?!? And few if any new 35mm cameras. Bingo!! William Robb
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on 03.12.03 16:21, Shel Belinkoff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Besides Leica, has anyone come out with a new 35mm film camera in the past year or so? Something that's not just a bells-and-whistles rehash of a previous model? Pentax *ist -- Best Regards Sylwek
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Actually you're right about that.. forgot about fresh produce! Not trying to be an oracle, but knowing Howard and his cronies, would you really be surprised when the apple tax comes into effect say, sometime in 2005? :) But then again for all we know by then it could be PM Latham (doesn't that send a shiver up your spine! I mean, not that Howard's better but yikes.) On the very bright side, come the elections I don't have to vote, because I just live here and study here- I'm not as Aussie as you'd imagine. And yup, that means I'm not liable for the ambulance levy either (yay!). But that being said I still think it's rubbish- like for the most of us, the only time we'll be in an ambulance, let's just say the sirens won't be on.. In which case you could only justify the ambulance thing as a one off payment, not as a subscription thing. I mean, if the govt wanted more money, they could have just raised the GST to 11% and said hey we're still lower than Canada ey, and that'd be harder to argue with. Then they could divert that money to healthcare (and ambulances) then it'd look good even! About what tha?? and your rugrat, that sounds like a fairly easy photo opp doesn't it! I'm sure I'm not the only one waiting for it! (btw, gotta admit it, that's probably the funniest bit of Rove..) :) Ryan - Original Message - From: Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 9:09 PM Subject: Re: Aussie GST (Re: *ist D - with no lens?!?) LOL! Ryan, this would be all well and good, except, I am pretty sure that apples, being fresh produce are in fact GST Free! hehe... Of course, I am only joking around, and I do understand your explanation of it all... I would also be eager to hear what comes of your Hong Kong guy... Now as for your what tha?! How funny that you should use that phrase as my 3yo has just this week started saying it, and it is SO hilarious. He always manages to use it in the right context and even throws his hands up in the air. I have no idea how he ever managed to see Rove, but he does tend to sneak out of his bed at night, so there is the possibility that he was watching over my shoulder one night. As for the Ambulance Levy - do you mean the one that it now in our Electricity account? That is just our normal QLD Ambulance cover, meaning that you no longer have to subscribe and that every QLD'er is automatically covered by it. ie whoever is in your house is covered by your elect. bill. I am PRETTY sure this is the way it works, but don't take it as gospel... tan. - Original Message - From: Ryan Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 5:23 PM Subject: Aussie GST (Re: *ist D - with no lens?!?) Hey Tan! Well I'm not exactly sure, but in my (very possibly flawed) logic, I'll try to work it out... As I understand it, GST here is what we (Eaters) pay the govt for the right to eat an apple in Australia. Businesses pay GST for 10 apples, and they claim back this GST (tax credit) for 10 apples when they sell them (because they are not the Eaters). If they don't sell the apples, they don't claim the tax credits because then they are the Eaters. If you buy an apple from Applerama in the states, you get charged because you are then assumed to be: a) The business- in which case you get charged GST, but can sell the apple and claim tax credits b) The Eater- in which case you pay the GST (the right to eat the apple in Australia), and have an American apple. That's how I understand it more or less.. Answering the question 'who exactly does the GST go to?'- the only place tax goes to is the govt, it's not supposed to go anywhere else. Now what we in Aus get out of it is a whole other thing. Given how high the GST is (albeit less than Canada) and income tax is, Australians sure don't get very much out of it (look what they're doing to Medicare, how unreliable public transport is, not to mention Howard and Nelson messing up education as well). I heard from some Norwegian friends they get 100% of their Aus education, living expenses paid upfront by the Norw. govt. and when they go back, they only have to repay 40%(which is why there are so many Norwegians in Brissie)! (If they go to uni in Norway, it's a free or a very nominal fee). And I heard healthcare is free, so is Internet access! Anyway, back to Australia, I've been checking up things they say on the aus.photo newsgroup, and recently there've been some interesting threads on import duty limits (I read that it may have been raised to $900 instead of $400). Also about mailorder there's a chance you escape GST if the seller is on your side enough to label your apple 'non commercial value gift' instead of 'Ebay purchase'. They do catch the occasional undervalued imports (and you pay up at the post office) by postal xrays etc
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Yes ... I was gracefully reminded of that ... guess the morning coffee hadn't kicked in yet L Bruce Dayton wrote: How about the Pentax *ist? Not a ZX rehash.
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Hi, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: on 03.12.03 16:21, Shel Belinkoff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Besides Leica, has anyone come out with a new 35mm film camera in the past year or so? Something that's not just a bells-and-whistles rehash of a previous model? Pentax *ist Stretching the time point slightly: MZ-S mike
Re: Aussie GST (Re: *ist D - with no lens?!?)
- Original Message - Yeah, but who exactly does the GST go to? Like if I haven't been charged by say BH for GST, then if customs charges me with it and the transaction took place outside of the country, then how can the Aus Govt charge it as there is nobody within the country who will be eligible to claim the tax credits for it, iykwim? bloody GST, what a pain in the proverbial... tan. GST is payable on any service or goods used in Australia, with the exception of unprocessed food. It all goes to the government. When you bring something into the country, because the goods are for use in Australia you pay GST. This is collected by Customs the same way Duties are collected and Sales tax used to be collected. If the total amount of Duties and GST (Cameras have no duties, but other things do) is less than AU$50 then they don't charge it and essentially get it GST free. GST is payable on postage also. So if you order something and the total value including shipping is AU$499 or less you don't pay GST. Hope this helps. Leon http://www.bluering.org.au http://www.bluering.org.au/leon
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Naughty Tanya! Although I know it is done more often than not John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 8:59 PM Subject: Re: *ist D - with no lens?!? John, even better, if you package up the manual/boxes/receipts and MAIL them to yourself in Australia, you can carry the camera in your luggage without having to declare it at all. If they ask, just say that it is yours and that you took it with you in the first place. I did this when I went to Hong Kong and came back with a video camera and Nintendo Game Boy (for my little brother!)... tan. - Original Message - From: John Coyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 5:46 PM Subject: Re: *ist D - with no lens?!? Tanya, the GST on imports works like the old Import Taxes. The tax goes straight to the Government, but is levied on the deemed wholesale price (that is, the price in Australia, I think). So it might work out at 10% of some other price than what you pay for it. I'm going to Hong Kong and China in March, so I'm waiting until then! I can then bring it back as a personal import, and only pay GST on the value -$400 (duty free allowance for cameras - much too low!). John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 3:27 PM Subject: Re: *ist D - with no lens?!? Yeah, but who exactly does the GST go to? Like if I haven't been charged by say BH for GST, then if customs charges me with it and the transaction took place outside of the country, then how can the Aus Govt charge it as there is nobody within the country who will be eligible to claim the tax credits for it, iykwim? bloody GST, what a pain in the proverbial... tan.
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Ok, s, what is the image quality like on these lenses? for eg, if I use say my 70-210mm f4 at the 210mm focal length, combined with a 2 x teleconverter, that would make it approximately a 400mm focal length, and then on the *ist D, it would be 1.5 times that - which would be a grand total of 600mm!! Wow, I could get a job as paparazzi with a setup like that Not really my thing, but hey, you know Prince Harry is currently staying at a cattle station only a couple of hours from here, could be worth big bucks! hehe. *winks* Of course, not much point without the *ist D though... lol tan. - Original Message - From: Butch Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 1:41 AM Subject: Re: *ist D - with no lens?!? Hi Tan; I subscribe via the digest, so if this has been answered already sorry for the redundancy. The multiplier factor applies only to the focal length, not the aperture. The area that the sensor takes up is about the size of a 35mm film frame, hence the multiplier factor. Aperture is a function of the size of the opening in relation to the actual focal length of the lens. For instance, the physical size of the aperture opening on a 200mm lens at f4 will be larger then f4 on a 50mm lens, but both will let the same amount of light in. Where the multiplier factor does not change the lens itself, it only designates a cropping factor compared to 35mm, therefore, no change in aperture. Butch Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself. Hermann Hesse (Demian)
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Another question that I have, and I apologise if this sounds extremely dumb BUT, if the effective focal length of the *istD is 1.5times the focal length of the same lenses on a film body, does this mean that the f-stops are also 1.5 times? ie. If I used my FA 50mm f1.7 on the *istD, would this effectively become an FA 75mm f2.5 and would the FA 28-105mm f4-5.6 become a 42-158mm f6-8.4, cause if so, that would suck majorly. (sorry, I'll write the words lollipop and straw here so that I don't get into trouble for using the S word out of context! lol). And all of my lenses would then become very slowww. OR, does it only affect the focal length? Anyone able to get this through my thick skull? lol. tan. - Original Message - From: Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:26 AM Subject: *ist D - with no lens?!? Hi all, I have just found an Aussie site where I can purchase the *istD WITHOUT a lens! It is only au$2497.00. Link is here: http://www.digitalcamerawarehouse.com.au/category149_1.htm Cheapest I have found it anywhere in Oz. All of their other gear is very cheap too. Question to all of you who have it already - this is my collection of lenses - - Tamron Adaptall (manual focus) 135mm f2.5 (my all time favourite lens!!), - Tamron AF 28-200mm Aspherical, - Pentax 28-105mm FA powerzoom, - Pentax 50mm f1.7 FA, - Pentax A 70-210mm macro (thanks Stan!!), - Sigma 35-80mm f4-5.6 AL (came on my MZ-6/ZX-L body). I am pretty happy with this lineup now having converted most of my older lenses over to newer stuff. I have two manual focus lenses that I love and will never part with though! Ok, so my question is - how will this collection of lenses go with the *istD? Keeping in mind that I am shooting alot of weddings, I tend to use zooms for those, and then the 135mm Tamron for individual shots. Should I purchase the *istD with the FAJ 18-35mm (an extra au$450) or without a lens? What have most of you done? MTIA, tan.
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on 12/02/03 6:44 PM, Tanya Mayer Photography at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another question that I have, and I apologise if this sounds extremely dumb BUT, if the effective focal length of the *istD is 1.5times the focal length of the same lenses on a film body, does this mean that the f-stops are also 1.5 times? ... OR, does it only affect the focal length? tan. It only affects the effective length. Your 28-105/4-5.6 becomes roughly a 42-155/4-5.6 - Original Message - From: Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, I have just found an Aussie site where I can purchase the *istD WITHOUT a lens! It is only au$2497.00. ... Should I purchase the *istD with the FAJ 18-35mm (an extra au$450) or without a lens? What have most of you done? I skipped the FAJ 18-35. Two reasons. First, I have the FA 20-35/4, and second I am expecting to get the FA-D 16-45 when it is available. Your choice may be different - you don't have anything wider than 28mm (42mm effective length on ist-D) and you wouldn't want the FA-D as it will only work on the ist-D. Stan
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Hey Tanya, I'm not going to get one anytime soon, but I'm trying to keep an eye on *ist D prices, and just some extra info for ya, though you probably are aware of it.. Unfortunately for us down under the best prices are online, and not in the continent. BH have it for about USD$1500 (body only, and you see this price if you add it to your cart). Which seems pretty decent, but together with postage, and GST (if you're unlucky enough for customs to spot it) it probably comes up to around the price you found. Yesterday I found this other link on Ebay (it only ended this morning) http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2969274393category=30020rd=1 It's a really good deal.. excluding postage, USD$1600 with a 1 Gb microdrive! Unfortunately it's a bit of a gamble whether customs spots it and whops you with GST.. I doubt you'd happen to be going anywhere overseas for a holiday would ya? :) Seems like the best option.. sigh Cheers, Ryan PS. This company has a freaky price- USD$1149 for the *ist D body.. Found it thru Froogle.com. Is it genuine?? Anyone? http://www.amphotoworld.com/product.asp?id=pnistdigitall=Froogle - Original Message - From: Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:26 AM Subject: *ist D - with no lens?!? Hi all, I have just found an Aussie site where I can purchase the *istD WITHOUT a lens! It is only au$2497.00. Link is here: http://www.digitalcamerawarehouse.com.au/category149_1.htm Cheapest I have found it anywhere in Oz. All of their other gear is very cheap too. Question to all of you who have it already - this is my collection of lenses - - Tamron Adaptall (manual focus) 135mm f2.5 (my all time favourite lens!!), - Tamron AF 28-200mm Aspherical, - Pentax 28-105mm FA powerzoom, - Pentax 50mm f1.7 FA, - Pentax A 70-210mm macro (thanks Stan!!), - Sigma 35-80mm f4-5.6 AL (came on my MZ-6/ZX-L body). I am pretty happy with this lineup now having converted most of my older lenses over to newer stuff. I have two manual focus lenses that I love and will never part with though! Ok, so my question is - how will this collection of lenses go with the *istD? Keeping in mind that I am shooting alot of weddings, I tend to use zooms for those, and then the 135mm Tamron for individual shots. Should I purchase the *istD with the FAJ 18-35mm (an extra au$450) or without a lens? What have most of you done? MTIA, tan.
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Yeah, but who exactly does the GST go to? Like if I haven't been charged by say BH for GST, then if customs charges me with it and the transaction took place outside of the country, then how can the Aus Govt charge it as there is nobody within the country who will be eligible to claim the tax credits for it, iykwim? bloody GST, what a pain in the proverbial... tan. - Original Message - From: Ryan Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 2:42 PM Subject: Re: *ist D - with no lens?!? Hey Tanya, I'm not going to get one anytime soon, but I'm trying to keep an eye on *ist D prices, and just some extra info for ya, though you probably are aware of it.. Unfortunately for us down under the best prices are online, and not in the continent. BH have it for about USD$1500 (body only, and you see this price if you add it to your cart). Which seems pretty decent, but together with postage, and GST (if you're unlucky enough for customs to spot it) it probably comes up to around the price you found. Yesterday I found this other link on Ebay (it only ended this morning) http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2969274393category=30020rd=1 It's a really good deal.. excluding postage, USD$1600 with a 1 Gb microdrive! Unfortunately it's a bit of a gamble whether customs spots it and whops you with GST.. I doubt you'd happen to be going anywhere overseas for a holiday would ya? :) Seems like the best option.. sigh Cheers, Ryan PS. This company has a freaky price- USD$1149 for the *ist D body.. Found it thru Froogle.com. Is it genuine?? Anyone? http://www.amphotoworld.com/product.asp?id=pnistdigitall=Froogle - Original Message - From: Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:26 AM Subject: *ist D - with no lens?!? Hi all, I have just found an Aussie site where I can purchase the *istD WITHOUT a lens! It is only au$2497.00. Link is here: http://www.digitalcamerawarehouse.com.au/category149_1.htm Cheapest I have found it anywhere in Oz. All of their other gear is very cheap too. Question to all of you who have it already - this is my collection of lenses - - Tamron Adaptall (manual focus) 135mm f2.5 (my all time favourite lens!!), - Tamron AF 28-200mm Aspherical, - Pentax 28-105mm FA powerzoom, - Pentax 50mm f1.7 FA, - Pentax A 70-210mm macro (thanks Stan!!), - Sigma 35-80mm f4-5.6 AL (came on my MZ-6/ZX-L body). I am pretty happy with this lineup now having converted most of my older lenses over to newer stuff. I have two manual focus lenses that I love and will never part with though! Ok, so my question is - how will this collection of lenses go with the *istD? Keeping in mind that I am shooting alot of weddings, I tend to use zooms for those, and then the 135mm Tamron for individual shots. Should I purchase the *istD with the FAJ 18-35mm (an extra au$450) or without a lens? What have most of you done? MTIA, tan.
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On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:27:18 +1000 Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, but who exactly does the GST go to? Like if I haven't been charged by say BH for GST, then if customs charges me with it and the transaction took place outside of the country, then how can the Aus Govt charge it as there is nobody within the country who will be eligible to claim the tax credits for it, iykwim? Think of it as a tax gov charges for using goods and services witin the country. If you buy a product within the country, the retailers collect this tax for the government, however if you shop outside and then bring the goods back, the customs charge you this tax on behalf of the government. bloody GST, what a pain in the proverbial... Couldn't agree more. tan. Anu - Original Message - From: Ryan Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 2:42 PM Subject: Re: *ist D - with no lens?!? Hey Tanya, I'm not going to get one anytime soon, but I'm trying to keep an eye on *ist D prices, and just some extra info for ya, though you probably are aware of it.. Unfortunately for us down under the best prices are online, and not in the continent. BH have it for about USD$1500 (body only, and you see this price if you add it to your cart). Which seems pretty decent, but together with postage, and GST (if you're unlucky enough for customs to spot it) it probably comes up to around the price you found. Yesterday I found this other link on Ebay (it only ended this morning) http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2969274393category=30020rd=1 It's a really good deal.. excluding postage, USD$1600 with a 1 Gb microdrive! Unfortunately it's a bit of a gamble whether customs spots it and whops you with GST.. I doubt you'd happen to be going anywhere overseas for a holiday would ya?:) Seems like the best option.. sigh Cheers, Ryan PS. This company has a freaky price- USD$1149 for the *ist D body.. Found it thru Froogle.com. Is it genuine?? Anyone? http://www.amphotoworld.com/product.asp?id=pnistdigitall=Froogle - Original Message - From: Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:26 AM Subject: *ist D - with no lens?!? Hi all, I have just found an Aussie site where I can purchase the *istD WITHOUT a lens! It is only au$2497.00. Link is here: http://www.digitalcamerawarehouse.com.au/category149_1.htm Cheapest I have found it anywhere in Oz. All of their other gear is very cheap too. Question to all of you who have it already - this is my collection of lenses - - Tamron Adaptall (manual focus) 135mm f2.5 (my all time favourite lens!!), - Tamron AF 28-200mm Aspherical, - Pentax 28-105mm FA powerzoom, - Pentax 50mm f1.7 FA, - Pentax A 70-210mm macro (thanks Stan!!), - Sigma 35-80mm f4-5.6 AL (came on my MZ-6/ZX-L body). I am pretty happy with this lineup now having converted most of my older lenses over to newer stuff. I have two manual focus lenses that I love and will never part with though! Ok, so my question is - how will this collection of lenses go with the *istD? Keeping in mind that I am shooting alot of weddings, I tend to use zooms for those, and then the 135mm Tamron for individual shots. Should I purchase the *istD with the FAJ 18-35mm (an extra au$450) or without a lens? What have most of you done? MTIA, tan.
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Hello Tanya, I'll do my best to give you some ideas. First let me say that I am in the process of moving away from shooting 67 mostly for weddings and portraits. A friend of mine switched to digital from film in the Nikon camp a while back. He thought that he would use the lenses that he already had. After trying that, he has basically changed all but one of his lenses. Why? Because the 1.5 magnification factor caused him to need/want different focal lengths. So knowing this, I was prepared to work with different focal lengths than I had with 35mm. It sounds like all of your lenses will work find with the *istD. The only one I am unsure of is the Tamron Adaptall. If it has the A setting on it, then it should be just fine. As to what focal lengths you will actually end up using...you will have to decide. Just remember that your 28's (which used to be reasonably wide) are now about 45mm. So you really have: Tamron Adaptall 135/2.5 -- 200/2.5 Tamron 28-200 -- 45-300 Pentax 28-105 -- 45-150 Pentax 50/1.7 -- 75/1.7 Pentax 70-210 -- 105-315 Sigma 35-80 -- 50-120 In looking at what you have, the wide end is certainly lacking. When I got my *istD I was in the same boat. Nothing wider than a 28. So I have been exploring the offerings to get me to a 28mm perspective. Need to get around a 20mm to accomplish this. The options are to get a prime or two, or a zoom. So far I have looked at the zoom side. The FAJ 18-35 has two downsides to it. 1) slow 4-5.6 max aperture and 2) no aperture ring - makes it less compatible with film bodies that you might use as backup or even primary. Other options are Phoenix 19-35/3.5-4.5 - I have tried this lens and it is surprisingly good for it's price. It's not superb, but reasonable. Seemed a little low on saturation though. I believe the Vivitar 19-35 is the same lens. Tokina makes a new 19-35/3.5-4.5. I have been working with this lens and have overall been happy with it. I like it better than the Phoenix. In another thread I reported on a few quirks with it. They are things that can be gotten around. There is also a Sigma 17-35/2.8-4, Sigma 20-40/2.8, Tokina 20-35/2.8ATX and Pentax 20-35/4. These all cost at least 2 times what the first two I mentioned do. I suspect that you get what you pay for to some degree. That being said, I am looking at a blow-up of a horizontal crop of a vertical shot of my family (6 of us) that would be equivalent to an 11X14 shot at 1600 speed with the Tokina 19-35 on a tripod at 1/10 second at 5.6. The shot is very adequate and would be easy to sell to my customers. As TV says, the lack of grain makes a big difference. Remember that I have been shooting 67. To try to wrap things up, it seems that you are short one lens and have some overlap with some of the others. If your 28-105 is not too slow for you, that, coupled with your 50 would do the bulk of the work unless you had groups. Then the missing lens would be needed. You could get a single prime (24/2.0--36/2.0) or one of the zooms I have mentioned. If budget is of concern, I would go for the Tokina 19-35/3.5-4.5 AF193. If you have more to spend, then quite a few more choices. I should say that I have found shooting the digital quite liberating. Previously, the cost of shooting has always been on my mind. Since the client is paying for the cost of film/developing, unless they don't care (not very often!), I do have to be cognizant of what I am shooting. With the digital, I can just shoot away and many times try things that I wouldn't have before. Especially using monolights, it has been very nice to get immediate feedback rather than just trying to rely on modeling lights. I have captured shots that I wouldn't have even taken before. Hope this rambling helps. And yes, if you are shooting people (weddings and portraits), I think digital SLR is a better way to go. Bruce Tuesday, December 2, 2003, 4:26:13 PM, you wrote: TMP Hi all, I have just found an Aussie site where I can purchase the *istD TMP WITHOUT a lens! It is only au$2497.00. Link is here: TMP http://www.digitalcamerawarehouse.com.au/category149_1.htm TMP Cheapest I have found it anywhere in Oz. All of their other gear is very TMP cheap too. TMP Question to all of you who have it already - this is my collection of TMP lenses - TMP - Tamron Adaptall (manual focus) 135mm f2.5 (my all time favourite lens!!), TMP - Tamron AF 28-200mm Aspherical, TMP - Pentax 28-105mm FA powerzoom, TMP - Pentax 50mm f1.7 FA, TMP - Pentax A 70-210mm macro (thanks Stan!!), TMP - Sigma 35-80mm f4-5.6 AL (came on my MZ-6/ZX-L body). TMP I am pretty happy with this lineup now having converted most of my older TMP lenses over to newer stuff. I have two manual focus lenses that I love and TMP will never part with though! Ok, so my question is - how will this TMP collection of lenses go with the *istD? Keeping in mind that I am shooting TMP alot of weddings, I tend to use zooms for those, and then the 135mm
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Hmmm, I am SLOWLY getting there William. My rates are slowly climbing, but I know for a fact that I am still the cheapest in the area by hundreds of $$$. As I said in a post yesterday, I still find myself apologising to people regularly for being so expensive and trying to justify the costs to them. Also, I tend to buckle when under pressure and like to make myself available to everyone regardless of their budget. I did a wedding just two weeks ago for $700. *eek*, of which, I made a grand total of $0. BUT, the couple were so happy with their pics that they have since come back and ordered double that in enlargements and gifts for their family, so I think that it does pay in the long run to be within peoples reach. OTH, I just took a booking from a lady in Brisbane, who was so excited after seeing my website that she phone me and said i don't care what you cost, I want you and only you, and I want the works. She then offered to pay for me to stay at the Hilton Hotel in Brisbane! Woohoo, luxury baby, and not a smelly nappy in miles!! I'd do the bloody wedding for free, just to get an all expenses paid trip to BrisVegas... In regards to the *ist D - it seems that with my line up of lenses, it would probably be unwise to NOT purchase the 18-35mm, even though I don't go wide angle very often. So, I will keep my ear to the ground and see what becomes available after Christmas. Still planning on leasing at this stage though... tan. - Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 1:55 PM Subject: Re: *ist D - with no lens?!? - Original Message - From: Tanya Mayer Photography Subject: *ist D - with no lens?!? Question to all of you who have it already - this is my collection of lenses - - Tamron Adaptall (manual focus) 135mm f2.5 (my all time favourite lens!!), - Tamron AF 28-200mm Aspherical, - Pentax 28-105mm FA powerzoom, - Pentax 50mm f1.7 FA, - Pentax A 70-210mm macro (thanks Stan!!), - Sigma 35-80mm f4-5.6 AL (came on my MZ-6/ZX-L body). Ok, so my question is - how will this collection of lenses go with the *istD? Keeping in mind that I am shooting alot of weddings, I tend to use zooms for those, and then the 135mm Tamron for individual shots. Should I purchase the *istD with the FAJ 18-35mm (an extra au$450) or without a lens? What have most of you done? Forget your present lenses in terms of the ist D. Not in terms of them working with the camera, but in terms of them working with your pictures. All your lenses will look like they have gained about 50% (or is it 60%) of their focal length. In my case, it has pushed favourite lenses into not much used, but has also given me a few pleasant surprises, in that lenses I never had much use for are suddenly being used lots, or have grown into something more usable. With your present lens set, you don't have a wide angle. This could be a lens opportunity for you. I have the 18-35, and it is an adequate optic. I do find it to be dim. The 18-35 is pretty much the first zoom I have spent any time with. It's problem is that it goes from not very wide to normal, which is a range I don't have much use for. It is however, optically quite good, and will cover the 35mm format, though it isn't so good at the corners. My favourite lens for weddings is the standard, FWIW, and I don't have much use for zoom lenses at the best of times. Did you ever raise your rates, BTW. I'm not asking to be rude, but I thought the last time you were here that you weren't charging near enough for your talent level. William Robb
