RE: A K7D for Fairygirl (Was Re: Fairygirl is in the house!)
Thanks for this Bill. The compact design is a key thing for me, and one of the reasons that I love the *istD so much. Me, being a girl and all, with my small hands and weak wrists, when I have it loaded up with flash gun, an heavy lens And battery grip, I need to be sure that I can actually hold the thing steady enough to get a sharp pic. I have it pretty much down pat with the *istD (and so I should after shooting with it for so long!), that even when fully "loaded up" I can get a very usable image shooting right down to 1/16 these days, and as I particularly like to shoot with available light whenever I can, I am really excited about the prospects that the in-body image stabilisation might give me. Battery life is another issue, some of you from GFM when I came might remember the ludicrous amounts of batteries that I go through, which for some reason has always been about double everyone else, even when I am not using the instant review on my camera or flash. The increased FPS rate and buffer size will be a dream too! Can't wait to get my hands on this baby! Tan.x. - Original Message - From: "Tanya Love" Subject: RE: A K7D for Fairygirl (Was Re: Fairygirl is in the house!) > > How many of you have K20s/K7s and do you think the cost is worth the > improvements of the latter over the former? > I do. Aside from the more compact chassis, which I like, the metering accuracy has been improved from practically useless on the K20 to extremely accurate on the K7. AF speed is nominally faster, but for me the big improvement is a side benefit of the 2FPS speed boost. The camera is just way more responsive. Battery life has been hugely improved as well. I no longer feel the need to chimp every shot to check the metering, and I am getting anywhere from 1200 to 1600 exposures per battery. I'm not one of the people who has noticed an improvement in noise performance, but my photography doesn't take me into high ISO land, so it isn't surprising. If you get a K-7, install at the very least, the first firmware release, as it fixes a broken AF point selection problem which Pentax inexplicably let out of the factory. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4758 (20100110) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A K7D for Fairygirl (Was Re: Fairygirl is in the house!)
Heck, even a K10D is a huge improvement on the istD, and they can be had for very little money. http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Ken Waller wrote: > I wouldn't discount the K20D, since you'd be upgrading from > the starkist! The K20D would be a major leap forward and you > can get it for less money than the K7. > > Kenneth Waller > http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f > > - Original Message ----- From: "Tanya Love" > Subject: RE: A K7D for Fairygirl (Was Re: Fairygirl is in > the house!) > > > > Thanks Paul! I figured as such with the video - > not "needing" it, but there > > has certainly been times, mainly on a personal level > with my kids etc, when > > I've been out with them, camera over my shoulder and > I've thought to myself, > > "oh, if only the *istD had a video capability" when > they've done something > > particularly cute. Plus the HD aspect and HDMI > input is certainly > > attractive. > > > > With the Live Preview, I am the same, never having had > one with the *istD > > and that being the ONLY camera I have shot with in oh, > about 6 years now! I > > don't see myself ever using it, as like I said, it is > a battery sucker, > > rather than anything else, especially with the > viewfinder having 100% > > coverage on the K-7. I just mainly wondered if > anyone else had found that > > it has an application that I hadn't already thought of > that was > > disadvantaged by it's slowness on that point. > > > > Tan. :) > > > > Paul wrote: > > > > The video capability is nice, but it requires manual > focus. However, that's > > not too much of a problem when using wide lenses in > relatively good light. I > > bought a hood with diopter adjustment for the live > view screen. That makes > > manual focus fairly easy, even when moving. I think > the HD video capability > > in combination with the excellent lenses would be > useful for serious > > applications. I've been thinking about trying to shoot > a demo 30-second > > commercial with it. For kid's birthdays and stuff like > that, my Sony video > > camera is a better choice. > > > > I never use live preview mode and rarely shoot in live > view, so I can't > > offer any input there. I have used live view > occasionally for framing in > > situations where I couldn't get to the viewfinder, and > I found it useful. > > But I prefocused. > > Paul > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A K7D for Fairygirl (Was Re: Fairygirl is in the house!)
Welcome back Tanya I wouldn't discount the K20D, since you'd be upgrading from the starkist! The K20D would be a major leap forward and you can get it for less money than the K7. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "Tanya Love" Subject: RE: A K7D for Fairygirl (Was Re: Fairygirl is in the house!) Thanks Paul! I figured as such with the video - not "needing" it, but there has certainly been times, mainly on a personal level with my kids etc, when I've been out with them, camera over my shoulder and I've thought to myself, "oh, if only the *istD had a video capability" when they've done something particularly cute. Plus the HD aspect and HDMI input is certainly attractive. With the Live Preview, I am the same, never having had one with the *istD and that being the ONLY camera I have shot with in oh, about 6 years now! I don't see myself ever using it, as like I said, it is a battery sucker, rather than anything else, especially with the viewfinder having 100% coverage on the K-7. I just mainly wondered if anyone else had found that it has an application that I hadn't already thought of that was disadvantaged by it's slowness on that point. Tan. :) Paul wrote: The video capability is nice, but it requires manual focus. However, that's not too much of a problem when using wide lenses in relatively good light. I bought a hood with diopter adjustment for the live view screen. That makes manual focus fairly easy, even when moving. I think the HD video capability in combination with the excellent lenses would be useful for serious applications. I've been thinking about trying to shoot a demo 30-second commercial with it. For kid's birthdays and stuff like that, my Sony video camera is a better choice. I never use live preview mode and rarely shoot in live view, so I can't offer any input there. I have used live view occasionally for framing in situations where I couldn't get to the viewfinder, and I found it useful. But I prefocused. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A K7D for Fairygirl (Was Re: Fairygirl is in the house!)
- Original Message - From: "Tanya Love" Subject: RE: A K7D for Fairygirl (Was Re: Fairygirl is in the house!) How many of you have K20s/K7s and do you think the cost is worth the improvements of the latter over the former? I do. Aside from the more compact chassis, which I like, the metering accuracy has been improved from practically useless on the K20 to extremely accurate on the K7. AF speed is nominally faster, but for me the big improvement is a side benefit of the 2FPS speed boost. The camera is just way more responsive. Battery life has been hugely improved as well. I no longer feel the need to chimp every shot to check the metering, and I am getting anywhere from 1200 to 1600 exposures per battery. I'm not one of the people who has noticed an improvement in noise performance, but my photography doesn't take me into high ISO land, so it isn't surprising. If you get a K-7, install at the very least, the first firmware release, as it fixes a broken AF point selection problem which Pentax inexplicably let out of the factory. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A K7D for Fairygirl (Was Re: Fairygirl is in the house!)
On Jan 10, 2010, at 7:57 AM, AlunFoto wrote: 2010/1/10 Tanya Love : How many of you have K20s/K7s and do you think the cost is worth the improvements of the latter over the former? That depends on your usage. I much treasure the functions beefed up; AF speed, multisegment light metering and fps. But then again I'm probably now the tailgunner mr. Robb mentioned prophetically last year. If you don't need those functions, the only lure of K-7 is some improvements in image quality. The noise floor may be ever so slightly lower, I doubt the measurbators are able to quantify it properly. It might as well be caused by the improved light metering. The K-7 tends to put the to of the histogram hump further to the right than do K20D. There's still a lot of leeway for picking down the highlights, though, so the net effect is that the noise floor seems to be lower. That's completely in synch with my observations. I end up with less noise than I did with the K20D, but it's probably more a function of the camera's accuracy than sensor and processor performance. Paul Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A K7D for Fairygirl (Was Re: Fairygirl is in the house!)
2010/1/10 Tanya Love : > How many of you have K20s/K7s and do you think the cost is worth the > improvements of the latter over the former? That depends on your usage. I much treasure the functions beefed up; AF speed, multisegment light metering and fps. But then again I'm probably now the tailgunner mr. Robb mentioned prophetically last year. If you don't need those functions, the only lure of K-7 is some improvements in image quality. The noise floor may be ever so slightly lower, I doubt the measurbators are able to quantify it properly. It might as well be caused by the improved light metering. The K-7 tends to put the to of the histogram hump further to the right than do K20D. There's still a lot of leeway for picking down the highlights, though, so the net effect is that the noise floor seems to be lower. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: A K7D for Fairygirl (Was Re: Fairygirl is in the house!)
"The K20 buffer is large enough that, unless you are a tail gunner, you probably won't fill the buffer no matter which card you use." - Bill Robb I just pulled this from the PDML quotations of last year. Oh, how I crave to be able to shoot more than 2 shots in succession and not have to wait for that little orange light to disappear!! That, and the noise are the two failings of the *istD that I will be happy to forget! How many of you have K20s/K7s and do you think the cost is worth the improvements of the latter over the former? Tan. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: A K7D for Fairygirl (Was Re: Fairygirl is in the house!)
Thanks Paul! I figured as such with the video - not "needing" it, but there has certainly been times, mainly on a personal level with my kids etc, when I've been out with them, camera over my shoulder and I've thought to myself, "oh, if only the *istD had a video capability" when they've done something particularly cute. Plus the HD aspect and HDMI input is certainly attractive. With the Live Preview, I am the same, never having had one with the *istD and that being the ONLY camera I have shot with in oh, about 6 years now! I don't see myself ever using it, as like I said, it is a battery sucker, rather than anything else, especially with the viewfinder having 100% coverage on the K-7. I just mainly wondered if anyone else had found that it has an application that I hadn't already thought of that was disadvantaged by it's slowness on that point. Tan. :) Paul wrote: The video capability is nice, but it requires manual focus. However, that's not too much of a problem when using wide lenses in relatively good light. I bought a hood with diopter adjustment for the live view screen. That makes manual focus fairly easy, even when moving. I think the HD video capability in combination with the excellent lenses would be useful for serious applications. I've been thinking about trying to shoot a demo 30-second commercial with it. For kid's birthdays and stuff like that, my Sony video camera is a better choice. I never use live preview mode and rarely shoot in live view, so I can't offer any input there. I have used live view occasionally for framing in situations where I couldn't get to the viewfinder, and I found it useful. But I prefocused. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A K7D for Fairygirl (Was Re: Fairygirl is in the house!)
2010/1/9 Bob Sullivan : > To add to Paul's excellent review of the K-7... > I've had one for the last 6 months and run up 2,750+ exposures. Just have to add my voice to Bob's and Paul's. I have two K-7. 6200 exposures combined. Excellent performers, and endures the weather at least as well as advertised. For AF in LiveView or video, you have three options. The first is traditional SLR AF, which implies that when you hit the AF button, the mirror pops down, does the AF, and pops up again to return you to LiveView. Naturally this doesn't work while shooting video. The other AF modes are tech from compact cams. One mode is called "contrast", the other is "face-recognition". Both are excruciatingly slow. In my experience, the light metering and AF speed for ordinary SLR operation is the hitherto best in any camera from Pentax. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A K7D for Fairygirl (Was Re: Fairygirl is in the house!)
Hi Tanya, To add to Paul's excellent review of the K-7... I've had one for the last 6 months and run up 2,750+ exposures. The size is a bit more compact than the K-20, but still bigger than the *ist DS. The user interface is superb, no more digging thru menus. It's all on the back. It is a truely modern and up-to-date use of the lcd screen to convey info. Autofocus seems faster and is really fast & silent with the new internal lens drives. Battery life has changed. The K20 said "I'm 1/2 full, no wait, I'm DEAD!" The K-7 posts 2/3rds full and keeps shooting until I'm back home for a recharge. And a spare battery cost me US$10, much cheaper than the K20 or K10. I've tried the video here and there. Get a fast card & focusing is a user job. :-( Nice to hear from you again. Seems like wedding and kid photos were a good source of income for you. And your kid photos were really good, so I hope you continue. Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:11 AM, P N Stenquist wrote: > > On Jan 9, 2010, at 8:04 AM, Tanya Love wrote: > >> Har! >> >> Nope, we didn't make the bicycle trip - got busy having more babies >> instead! >> Added two more to the tribe since I was last on the list, so that makes >> five >> now... >> >> Oh, and I remarried too - hence the name "Tanya LOVE" - that is my real >> name, and we aptly call our home the "LoveShack"! lol. >> >> Last year was a really crappy, crappy year from us, we have a new >> business, >> Ankle Biters, an online and physical store with eco/organic products for >> kids and babies and we managed to get ourselves ripped off to the tune of >> $42k. LONG story, but basically, we are broke and 2009 sucked majorly, >> but >> we have themed 2010 as our "year of recovery" so that the annus horribulus >> (sic) that was 2009 can go take a hike! >> >> Oh yeah, did anyone know that I "retired" from photography? That was back >> in late 2006, when I popped out baby #4, Zali. >> >> Well, it seems that fate has other plans, and now I'm back at it again. >> No >> more weddings for me though, in my last year as a wedding photog. I dealt >> with about >> 79 Bridezillas, and that was enough to scare me off for life! >> >> Now, it's commercial photography all the way baby! Hehe. Still kids and >> babies (someone would think I was clucky or something!) but kids and >> babies >> PRODUCT >> Photography is my calling for now. >> >> I rejoined cause I was hanging out to know which of you rich old farts >> have >> got yourselves a K-7?? Me thinks me needs one Oh, did I mention that >> I >> am STILL using my >> Trusty old starkist?!? I think I've clocked the speedo about 10 times >> now, >> just clicked over another 10k the other day. It has a crack in the >> preview >> screen from one too >> many dives on the bitumen, but apart from that, she's still going strong! >> >> So, where is the cheapest place to get my hands on a K-7 at present? And >> what is the general consensus on it in comparison with the K20D? I am >> sure >> that this has been discussed to death a gazillion times over but I'm too >> lazy to go through all the archives, jeez you guys can talk! The K20D is >> going for aud$899 at Ted's Camera House here in BrisVegas right now, which >> looks the best deal I've found so far, so do you think it would be worth >> the >> extra $500 for the K7? Me being me and as hard as I am on my gear and >> all, >> was thinking that the weather proofing of the K7 might be a good little >> insurance policy to have... >> >> So, what have I missed? Just checked out the 2008 Photobook and I see >> that >> you guys STILL haven't gotten over your fixation for bloody cormorants and >> hmmm, Grandfather Mountain! Some familiar scenes there! >> > > Hi Tanya, > I've been shooting with K7 for almost six months now, and I've clocked 9950 > exposures. I love it. The K20D was nice, but the K7 is a major improvement. > First on my list of pluses would be far better exposure metering. It's very > accurate and delivers repeatable results -- something my K20D could never > quite achieve. The autofocus is noticeably faster, particularly on moving > objects. That's also a huge plus for me. And the increased frame rate is a > big help for a lot of what I shoot: moving vehicles, sports, etc. With that > comes faster write speed, which cuts down on waiting until mr. camera is > ready to work. Heck, I can't remember ever having to wait with the K7. With > the K20D, when I shot a series of autobracket exposures, I'd stand there > waiting for the ready light to come back on. The battery life is much > better. Even without the grip you can get around 1000 RAW exposures. I have > a grip installed and always shoot with two batteries. I've never come close > to exhausting them, even in a long day of continuous shooting. Finally, the > build quality is superb. The camera is a little tank. > Paul > > >> Tan.x. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On
Re: A K7D for Fairygirl (Was Re: Fairygirl is in the house!)
On Jan 9, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Tanya Love wrote: Awesome! That is just the stuff I wanted to hear! I've read that the AF is REALLY slow during the Live Preview mode, how have you found it? Not that it's a big issue for me as I haven't EVER had a camera with LP and it is just another battery sucking thing anyways... I am excited at the prospect of having rechargeable batteries! My conscience is really starting to get to me when I stop to consider just how many AAs I have thrown out over the years. I do have rechargeables, but never can seem to find the charger when I need it! Any feedback on the video capabilities? The video capability is nice, but it requires manual focus. However, that's not too much of a problem when using wide lenses in relatively good light. I bought a hood with diopter adjustment for the live view screen. That makes manual focus fairly easy, even when moving. I think the HD video capability in combination with the excellent lenses would be useful for serious applications. I've been thinking about trying to shoot a demo 30-second commercial with it. For kid's birthdays and stuff like that, my Sony video camera is a better choice. I never use live preview mode and rarely shoot in live view, so I can't offer any input there. I have used live view occasionally for framing in situations where I couldn't get to the viewfinder, and I found it useful. But I prefocused. Paul -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of P N Stenquist Sent: Sunday, 10 January 2010 1:11 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: A K7D for Fairygirl (Was Re: Fairygirl is in the house!) Hi Tanya, I've been shooting with K7 for almost six months now, and I've clocked 9950 exposures. I love it. The K20D was nice, but the K7 is a major improvement. First on my list of pluses would be far better exposure metering. It's very accurate and delivers repeatable results -- something my K20D could never quite achieve. The autofocus is noticeably faster, particularly on moving objects. That's also a huge plus for me. And the increased frame rate is a big help for a lot of what I shoot: moving vehicles, sports, etc. With that comes faster write speed, which cuts down on waiting until mr. camera is ready to work. Heck, I can't remember ever having to wait with the K7. With the K20D, when I shot a series of autobracket exposures, I'd stand there waiting for the ready light to come back on. The battery life is much better. Even without the grip you can get around 1000 RAW exposures. I have a grip installed and always shoot with two batteries. I've never come close to exhausting them, even in a long day of continuous shooting. Finally, the build quality is superb. The camera is a little tank. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: A K7D for Fairygirl (Was Re: Fairygirl is in the house!)
Awesome! That is just the stuff I wanted to hear! I've read that the AF is REALLY slow during the Live Preview mode, how have you found it? Not that it's a big issue for me as I haven't EVER had a camera with LP and it is just another battery sucking thing anyways... I am excited at the prospect of having rechargeable batteries! My conscience is really starting to get to me when I stop to consider just how many AAs I have thrown out over the years. I do have rechargeables, but never can seem to find the charger when I need it! Any feedback on the video capabilities? -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of P N Stenquist Sent: Sunday, 10 January 2010 1:11 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: A K7D for Fairygirl (Was Re: Fairygirl is in the house!) Hi Tanya, I've been shooting with K7 for almost six months now, and I've clocked 9950 exposures. I love it. The K20D was nice, but the K7 is a major improvement. First on my list of pluses would be far better exposure metering. It's very accurate and delivers repeatable results -- something my K20D could never quite achieve. The autofocus is noticeably faster, particularly on moving objects. That's also a huge plus for me. And the increased frame rate is a big help for a lot of what I shoot: moving vehicles, sports, etc. With that comes faster write speed, which cuts down on waiting until mr. camera is ready to work. Heck, I can't remember ever having to wait with the K7. With the K20D, when I shot a series of autobracket exposures, I'd stand there waiting for the ready light to come back on. The battery life is much better. Even without the grip you can get around 1000 RAW exposures. I have a grip installed and always shoot with two batteries. I've never come close to exhausting them, even in a long day of continuous shooting. Finally, the build quality is superb. The camera is a little tank. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
