Re: D FA★ 85mm F1.4

2017-02-28 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
>I sold my FA* 85/1.4 to help finance the purchase of the 31/43/77mm Limited
set way back when they first came out. I will find it hard to
>justify buying the new D FA* 85/1.4 as long as my 77/1.8 is still
functional. And the 70-200/2.8 (and 24-70/2.8) each give me additional
>capability in that general range. Not that I won’t be tempted, but I don’
t really need it. And the 77/1.8 takes up so little space in the camera
bag...

The one compelling reason I can come up with is for the better interaction
of the newer coatings to the sensor.
It seems that they're all made to play well together.
Of course there's always correcting/improving it in PS/LR. And then there's
not needing to correct/improve it in PS/LR.


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Re: D FA★ 85mm F1.4

2017-02-28 Thread Paul Stenquist
And DA or DA* lenses, which are quite compact and intended for the compact 
APS-C cameras.

Paul via phone

> On Feb 28, 2017, at 3:58 AM, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:
> 
> So if you want small(er) lenses, stick to screw drive or MF?
> 
> Alan C
> 
> -Original Message- From: P. J. Alling
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 5:55 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: D FA★ 85mm F1.4
> 
> Well they all have internal focusing motors and probably internal
> aperture motors.  Those will take up a certian amount of room. Then
> there's the extra lens elements to correct for sharpness robbing
> aberrations.  So be careful what you ask for I guess. Face it lenses
> will be bigger.  Sure it frees up design but that freedom will most
> likely be used to make manufacture easier, more than anything else.
> 
> 
>> On 2/27/2017 10:33 AM, Gonz wrote:
>> Wow, what the hell happened?  I think I'll stick with the smaller
>> lenses, even if manual.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 10:02 PM, Bill <anotherdrunken...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2/25/2017 10:00 PM, Bill wrote:
>>>>> On 2/24/2017 7:37 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bill wrote:
>>>>>> It looks like Ricoh is serious. Now they are planning a D FA★ 85mm F1.4.
>>>>>> Fun times.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://www.pentaxforums.com/articles/cpplus-2017/d-fa-85mm-f14-on-the-horizon.html
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> That lens is taking serious aim at my pocketbook.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Are they only announcing the 50 and 85 this weekend?
>>>>> 
>>>> That's all I've seen so far. They are promising at the moment that for
>>>> 2017 or later, they will introduce a wide angle single focus (this is
>>>> single focal length (that's a prime lens, if Dodo is still reading)) :),
>>>> a large aperture standard prime, a large aperture medium telephoto
>>>> prime, a large aperture ultra wide angle prime and a fish-eye zoom.
>>>> 
>>>> See the road-map here:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.photographyblog.com/news/pentax_lens_roadmaps_at_photokina_2016/
>>>> 
>>>> I'm excited about the 50. The standard lens is my favorite walk around,
>>>> though this one is big enough that I might not like it so much, and I
>>>> already have an A*85/1.4, which is excellent, so the 85 is only somewhat
>>>> interesting to me.
>>>> I saw a mock up of the new 50mm sitting beside the FA50/1.4, the new one
>>>> looks to be about 3 times the size of the old one.
>>> 
>>> Here's the picture:
>>> 
>>> https://pageshot.net/images/c6310f79-2aca-47f4-8bd8-6c3fbd0835d0.png
>>> 
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Re: D FA★ 85mm F1.4

2017-02-28 Thread Alan C

So if you want small(er) lenses, stick to screw drive or MF?

Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: P. J. Alling

Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 5:55 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: D FA★ 85mm F1.4

Well they all have internal focusing motors and probably internal
aperture motors.  Those will take up a certian amount of room. Then
there's the extra lens elements to correct for sharpness robbing
aberrations.  So be careful what you ask for I guess. Face it lenses
will be bigger.  Sure it frees up design but that freedom will most
likely be used to make manufacture easier, more than anything else.


On 2/27/2017 10:33 AM, Gonz wrote:

Wow, what the hell happened?  I think I'll stick with the smaller
lenses, even if manual.


On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 10:02 PM, Bill <anotherdrunken...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

On 2/25/2017 10:00 PM, Bill wrote:

On 2/24/2017 7:37 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



Bill wrote:
It looks like Ricoh is serious. Now they are planning a D FA★ 85mm 
F1.4.

Fun times.


https://www.pentaxforums.com/articles/cpplus-2017/d-fa-85mm-f14-on-the-horizon.html



That lens is taking serious aim at my pocketbook.

Are they only announcing the 50 and 85 this weekend?


That's all I've seen so far. They are promising at the moment that for
2017 or later, they will introduce a wide angle single focus (this is
single focal length (that's a prime lens, if Dodo is still reading)) :),
a large aperture standard prime, a large aperture medium telephoto
prime, a large aperture ultra wide angle prime and a fish-eye zoom.

See the road-map here:


http://www.photographyblog.com/news/pentax_lens_roadmaps_at_photokina_2016/

I'm excited about the 50. The standard lens is my favorite walk around,
though this one is big enough that I might not like it so much, and I
already have an A*85/1.4, which is excellent, so the 85 is only somewhat
interesting to me.
I saw a mock up of the new 50mm sitting beside the FA50/1.4, the new one
looks to be about 3 times the size of the old one.


Here's the picture:

https://pageshot.net/images/c6310f79-2aca-47f4-8bd8-6c3fbd0835d0.png


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Re: D FA★ 85mm F1.4

2017-02-27 Thread Bill

On 2/27/2017 11:48 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

My God, the thing is hge!!
Must be a Trump lens.
Will it make America GREAT again?


I think they are working on making Vietnam great again.


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Re: D FA★ 85mm F1.4

2017-02-27 Thread Stanley Halpin

> On Feb 25, 2017, at 11:00 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> On 2/24/2017 7:37 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Bill wrote:
>>> It looks like Ricoh is serious. Now they are planning a D FA★ 85mm F1.4.
>>> Fun times.
>>> 
>>> https://www.pentaxforums.com/articles/cpplus-2017/d-fa-85mm-f14-on-the-horizon.html
>>> 
>> 
>> That lens is taking serious aim at my pocketbook.
>> 
>> Are they only announcing the 50 and 85 this weekend?
>> 
> 
> That's all I've seen so far. They are promising at the moment that for 2017 
> or later, they will introduce a wide angle single focus (this is single focal 
> length (that's a prime lens, if Dodo is still reading)) :), a large aperture 
> standard prime, a large aperture medium telephoto prime, a large aperture 
> ultra wide angle prime and a fish-eye zoom.
> 
> See the road-map here:
> 
> http://www.photographyblog.com/news/pentax_lens_roadmaps_at_photokina_2016/
> 
> I'm excited about the 50. The standard lens is my favorite walk around, 
> though this one is big enough that I might not like it so much, and I already 
> have an A*85/1.4, which is excellent, so the 85 is only somewhat interesting 
> to me.
> I saw a mock up of the new 50mm sitting beside the FA50/1.4, the new one 
> looks to be about 3 times the size of the old one.
> 
> 
There is a more recent roadmap that you can see here and other places:


http://donsphoto.com/blog/2017/02/pentax-k-mount-lens-roadmap-2017/

I have been very intrigued by what I have read about the new IRIX 15/2.4. AF, 
no. WR or AW, yes. Good build, yes. Good results, yes. But the ultra-wide lens 
on the roadmap gives me pause. If there were indications that it was going to 
be here soon I would wait for the Pentax 14 or 15mm. Some would argue for the 
Pentax 15-30 as a solution for ultra-wide, but I have the 24-70/2.8 and the 
15-30 overlaps too much with that.

I sold my FA* 85/1.4 to help finance the purchase of the 31/43/77mm Limited set 
way back when they first came out. I will find it hard to justify buying the 
new D FA* 85/1.4 as long as my 77/1.8 is still functional. And the 70-200/2.8 
(and 24-70/2.8) each give me additional capability in that general range. Not 
that I won’t be tempted, but I don’t really need it. And the 77/1.8 takes up so 
little space in the camera bag...

I have more than enough lenses in the 35-55mm range and am not even slightly 
tempted by the soon-to-be D FA* 50/1.4.

So, for me, the announcements and the hints on the roadmaps are interesting, 
but not immediately relevant. Ultra-wide, I will probably buy the IRIX and 
maybe swap out for Pentax when it finally arrives. Mid-range, meh. Mid-tele 
85mm, I’m covered already. I would be much more intrigued if portraiture were 
more a part of my usual range of genres. Fish-eye zoom? Meh. Telephoto zoom? 
Probably something along the lines of the older 50-200 or 100-300. Again, meh.



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Re: D FA★ 85mm F1.4

2017-02-27 Thread Bob Sullivan
My God, the thing is hge!!
Must be a Trump lens.
Will it make America GREAT again?

On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 10:02 PM, Bill  wrote:

> On 2/25/2017 10:00 PM, Bill wrote:
>
>> On 2/24/2017 7:37 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill wrote:
>>>
 It looks like Ricoh is serious. Now they are planning a D FA★ 85mm F1.4.
 Fun times.

 https://www.pentaxforums.com/articles/cpplus-2017/d-fa-85mm-
 f14-on-the-horizon.html



>>> That lens is taking serious aim at my pocketbook.
>>>
>>> Are they only announcing the 50 and 85 this weekend?
>>>
>>>
>> That's all I've seen so far. They are promising at the moment that for
>> 2017 or later, they will introduce a wide angle single focus (this is
>> single focal length (that's a prime lens, if Dodo is still reading)) :),
>> a large aperture standard prime, a large aperture medium telephoto
>> prime, a large aperture ultra wide angle prime and a fish-eye zoom.
>>
>> See the road-map here:
>>
>> http://www.photographyblog.com/news/pentax_lens_roadmaps_at_
>> photokina_2016/
>>
>> I'm excited about the 50. The standard lens is my favorite walk around,
>> though this one is big enough that I might not like it so much, and I
>> already have an A*85/1.4, which is excellent, so the 85 is only somewhat
>> interesting to me.
>> I saw a mock up of the new 50mm sitting beside the FA50/1.4, the new one
>> looks to be about 3 times the size of the old one.
>>
>
> Here's the picture:
>
> https://pageshot.net/images/c6310f79-2aca-47f4-8bd8-6c3fbd0835d0.png
>
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Re: D FA★ 85mm F1.4

2017-02-27 Thread P. J. Alling
Well they all have internal focusing motors and probably internal 
aperture motors.  Those will take up a certian amount of room. Then 
there's the extra lens elements to correct for sharpness robbing 
aberrations.  So be careful what you ask for I guess. Face it lenses 
will be bigger.  Sure it frees up design but that freedom will most 
likely be used to make manufacture easier, more than anything else.



On 2/27/2017 10:33 AM, Gonz wrote:

Wow, what the hell happened?  I think I'll stick with the smaller
lenses, even if manual.


On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 10:02 PM, Bill  wrote:

On 2/25/2017 10:00 PM, Bill wrote:

On 2/24/2017 7:37 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



Bill wrote:

It looks like Ricoh is serious. Now they are planning a D FA★ 85mm F1.4.
Fun times.


https://www.pentaxforums.com/articles/cpplus-2017/d-fa-85mm-f14-on-the-horizon.html



That lens is taking serious aim at my pocketbook.

Are they only announcing the 50 and 85 this weekend?


That's all I've seen so far. They are promising at the moment that for
2017 or later, they will introduce a wide angle single focus (this is
single focal length (that's a prime lens, if Dodo is still reading)) :),
a large aperture standard prime, a large aperture medium telephoto
prime, a large aperture ultra wide angle prime and a fish-eye zoom.

See the road-map here:


http://www.photographyblog.com/news/pentax_lens_roadmaps_at_photokina_2016/

I'm excited about the 50. The standard lens is my favorite walk around,
though this one is big enough that I might not like it so much, and I
already have an A*85/1.4, which is excellent, so the 85 is only somewhat
interesting to me.
I saw a mock up of the new 50mm sitting beside the FA50/1.4, the new one
looks to be about 3 times the size of the old one.


Here's the picture:

https://pageshot.net/images/c6310f79-2aca-47f4-8bd8-6c3fbd0835d0.png


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Re: D FA★ 85mm F1.4

2017-02-27 Thread Gonz
Wow, what the hell happened?  I think I'll stick with the smaller
lenses, even if manual.


On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 10:02 PM, Bill  wrote:
> On 2/25/2017 10:00 PM, Bill wrote:
>>
>> On 2/24/2017 7:37 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill wrote:

 It looks like Ricoh is serious. Now they are planning a D FA★ 85mm F1.4.
 Fun times.


 https://www.pentaxforums.com/articles/cpplus-2017/d-fa-85mm-f14-on-the-horizon.html


>>>
>>> That lens is taking serious aim at my pocketbook.
>>>
>>> Are they only announcing the 50 and 85 this weekend?
>>>
>>
>> That's all I've seen so far. They are promising at the moment that for
>> 2017 or later, they will introduce a wide angle single focus (this is
>> single focal length (that's a prime lens, if Dodo is still reading)) :),
>> a large aperture standard prime, a large aperture medium telephoto
>> prime, a large aperture ultra wide angle prime and a fish-eye zoom.
>>
>> See the road-map here:
>>
>>
>> http://www.photographyblog.com/news/pentax_lens_roadmaps_at_photokina_2016/
>>
>> I'm excited about the 50. The standard lens is my favorite walk around,
>> though this one is big enough that I might not like it so much, and I
>> already have an A*85/1.4, which is excellent, so the 85 is only somewhat
>> interesting to me.
>> I saw a mock up of the new 50mm sitting beside the FA50/1.4, the new one
>> looks to be about 3 times the size of the old one.
>
>
> Here's the picture:
>
> https://pageshot.net/images/c6310f79-2aca-47f4-8bd8-6c3fbd0835d0.png
>
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Re: D FA★ 85mm F1.4

2017-02-27 Thread Paul Stenquist
The new D FA lenses are large. The 24-70, 15-30 and 150-450 are all bigger than 
what we’ve come to expect from Pentax. But they’re also superb performers. That 
is much more important to me than size. My K-1 is big anyway, with a battery 
pack and a quick release plate always attached. A large lens is just fine. If I 
want a small camera for travel or a leisurely walkaround, I’ll take my K-3 and 
the FA 35/2 or FA 50/1.4.

Paul

> On Feb 27, 2017, at 10:33 AM, Gonz  wrote:
> 
> Wow, what the hell happened?  I think I'll stick with the smaller
> lenses, even if manual.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 10:02 PM, Bill  wrote:
>> On 2/25/2017 10:00 PM, Bill wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 2/24/2017 7:37 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
 
 
 
 Bill wrote:
> 
> It looks like Ricoh is serious. Now they are planning a D FA★ 85mm F1.4.
> Fun times.
> 
> 
> https://www.pentaxforums.com/articles/cpplus-2017/d-fa-85mm-f14-on-the-horizon.html
> 
> 
 
 That lens is taking serious aim at my pocketbook.
 
 Are they only announcing the 50 and 85 this weekend?
 
>>> 
>>> That's all I've seen so far. They are promising at the moment that for
>>> 2017 or later, they will introduce a wide angle single focus (this is
>>> single focal length (that's a prime lens, if Dodo is still reading)) :),
>>> a large aperture standard prime, a large aperture medium telephoto
>>> prime, a large aperture ultra wide angle prime and a fish-eye zoom.
>>> 
>>> See the road-map here:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://www.photographyblog.com/news/pentax_lens_roadmaps_at_photokina_2016/
>>> 
>>> I'm excited about the 50. The standard lens is my favorite walk around,
>>> though this one is big enough that I might not like it so much, and I
>>> already have an A*85/1.4, which is excellent, so the 85 is only somewhat
>>> interesting to me.
>>> I saw a mock up of the new 50mm sitting beside the FA50/1.4, the new one
>>> looks to be about 3 times the size of the old one.
>> 
>> 
>> Here's the picture:
>> 
>> https://pageshot.net/images/c6310f79-2aca-47f4-8bd8-6c3fbd0835d0.png
>> 
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Re: D FA★ 85mm F1.4

2017-02-25 Thread Bill

On 2/25/2017 10:00 PM, Bill wrote:

On 2/24/2017 7:37 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



Bill wrote:

It looks like Ricoh is serious. Now they are planning a D FA★ 85mm F1.4.
Fun times.

https://www.pentaxforums.com/articles/cpplus-2017/d-fa-85mm-f14-on-the-horizon.html




That lens is taking serious aim at my pocketbook.

Are they only announcing the 50 and 85 this weekend?



That's all I've seen so far. They are promising at the moment that for
2017 or later, they will introduce a wide angle single focus (this is
single focal length (that's a prime lens, if Dodo is still reading)) :),
a large aperture standard prime, a large aperture medium telephoto
prime, a large aperture ultra wide angle prime and a fish-eye zoom.

See the road-map here:

http://www.photographyblog.com/news/pentax_lens_roadmaps_at_photokina_2016/

I'm excited about the 50. The standard lens is my favorite walk around,
though this one is big enough that I might not like it so much, and I
already have an A*85/1.4, which is excellent, so the 85 is only somewhat
interesting to me.
I saw a mock up of the new 50mm sitting beside the FA50/1.4, the new one
looks to be about 3 times the size of the old one.


Here's the picture:

https://pageshot.net/images/c6310f79-2aca-47f4-8bd8-6c3fbd0835d0.png

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Re: D FA★ 85mm F1.4

2017-02-25 Thread Bill

On 2/24/2017 7:37 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



Bill wrote:

It looks like Ricoh is serious. Now they are planning a D FA★ 85mm F1.4.
Fun times.

https://www.pentaxforums.com/articles/cpplus-2017/d-fa-85mm-f14-on-the-horizon.html



That lens is taking serious aim at my pocketbook.

Are they only announcing the 50 and 85 this weekend?



That's all I've seen so far. They are promising at the moment that for 
2017 or later, they will introduce a wide angle single focus (this is 
single focal length (that's a prime lens, if Dodo is still reading)) :), 
a large aperture standard prime, a large aperture medium telephoto 
prime, a large aperture ultra wide angle prime and a fish-eye zoom.


See the road-map here:

http://www.photographyblog.com/news/pentax_lens_roadmaps_at_photokina_2016/

I'm excited about the 50. The standard lens is my favorite walk around, 
though this one is big enough that I might not like it so much, and I 
already have an A*85/1.4, which is excellent, so the 85 is only somewhat 
interesting to me.
I saw a mock up of the new 50mm sitting beside the FA50/1.4, the new one 
looks to be about 3 times the size of the old one.







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Re: D FA★ 85mm F1.4

2017-02-24 Thread Larry Colen



Bill wrote:

It looks like Ricoh is serious. Now they are planning a D FA★ 85mm F1.4.
Fun times.

https://www.pentaxforums.com/articles/cpplus-2017/d-fa-85mm-f14-on-the-horizon.html


That lens is taking serious aim at my pocketbook.

Are they only announcing the 50 and 85 this weekend?




bill



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Re: D FA★ 85mm F1.4

2017-02-24 Thread Bill

On 2/24/2017 2:22 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote:

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:


Doesn't the D mean it's a cropped lens???


No, D means it's from the digital era. DA = cropped (APS-C), D-FA = full-frame.



D= Digital
A= no Aperture simulator.
Fa= no F#cking Aperture simulator.

Yes, I went there.

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Re: D FA★ 85mm F1.4

2017-02-24 Thread Bill

On 2/24/2017 2:16 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

Doesn't the D mean it's a cropped lens???


I think it means digital.


On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 6:19 PM, Bill  wrote:


It looks like Ricoh is serious. Now they are planning a D FA★ 85mm F1.4.
Fun times.

https://www.pentaxforums.com/articles/cpplus-2017/d-fa-85mm-
f14-on-the-horizon.html

bill

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Re: D FA★ 85mm F1.4

2017-02-24 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:

> Doesn't the D mean it's a cropped lens???

No, D means it's from the digital era. DA = cropped (APS-C), D-FA = full-frame.

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Re: D FA★ 85mm F1.4

2017-02-24 Thread Paul Stenquist
No. DA lenses have APS-C image areas. D FA lenses are full frame image circle, 
optimized for digital. 


> On Feb 24, 2017, at 3:16 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> 
> Doesn't the D mean it's a cropped lens???
> 
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 6:19 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
>> It looks like Ricoh is serious. Now they are planning a D FA★ 85mm F1.4.
>> Fun times.
>> 
>> https://www.pentaxforums.com/articles/cpplus-2017/d-fa-85mm-
>> f14-on-the-horizon.html
>> 
>> bill
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Re: D FA★ 85mm F1.4

2017-02-24 Thread Zos Xavius
D = Digital

D-FA = Digital FA (full frame)

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> Doesn't the D mean it's a cropped lens???
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 6:19 PM, Bill  wrote:
>
>> It looks like Ricoh is serious. Now they are planning a D FA★ 85mm F1.4.
>> Fun times.
>>
>> https://www.pentaxforums.com/articles/cpplus-2017/d-fa-85mm-
>> f14-on-the-horizon.html
>>
>> bill
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Re: D FA★ 85mm F1.4

2017-02-24 Thread Bob Sullivan
Doesn't the D mean it's a cropped lens???

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 6:19 PM, Bill  wrote:

> It looks like Ricoh is serious. Now they are planning a D FA★ 85mm F1.4.
> Fun times.
>
> https://www.pentaxforums.com/articles/cpplus-2017/d-fa-85mm-
> f14-on-the-horizon.html
>
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Re: D FA★ 85mm F1.4

2017-02-24 Thread Gonz
That's what I'm talking about!


On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 6:19 PM, Bill  wrote:
> It looks like Ricoh is serious. Now they are planning a D FA★ 85mm F1.4.
> Fun times.
>
> https://www.pentaxforums.com/articles/cpplus-2017/d-fa-85mm-f14-on-the-horizon.html
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