RE: Exhibit details

[Bob W]

[...]
> 
> Chris you could trade with Doug, that is if he wants a shot 
> of a bunch of Brit hillbillies strumming on ukuleles ;)
> 

Cotty'll be singing 'When I'm Cleanin' iMacs'...





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Re: Exhibit details

[Matthew Hunt]

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 9:18 AM, P N Stenquist  wrote:

>> Where it says:   *I, __, etc etc*    is the place to sign
>> the contract.
>>
> I added a signature and date at the bottom and typed my name into the
> blanks. Most contracts provide a legible and readable rendering of the
> signees name in the location above. It is an odd place for a signature.

Concur with Paul... I typed my name in all of those fields, and just
signed and dated at the bottom.  I figure the intent should be clear
enough.  My signature is an utter scrawl, completely illegible.

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Re: Exhibit details

[Matthew Hunt]

On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 8:29 PM, paul stenquist  wrote:

> Only you can determine what your work is worth. If you've displayed in 
> galleries before,
> you probably have an idea. But if not, figure you'll want to recoup the cost 
> of printing and
> framing, plus the 30% the gallery gets, plus a small profit. That will 
> probably bring you
> to a number close to $300 as an asking price.

That's pretty much the reasoning I followed.  I ended up a little
higher, $350 ask / $325 min, for a couple of reasons:

(a) This is the first work of mine that's been exhibited, so there's
sentimental value in holding on to it.  (There's a competing value of
being able to say I've sold a print, but I don't really have any
ambition to make a living in photography, so this factor is weaker.)

(b) I don't think we'll make it to Chicago, so there's value in
keeping the finished work so I can see it.  Added to this is that I
don't do any digital printing myself; the few digital photos I've
printed have been automated Mpix-type prints.  I'd like to see what a
good printer like Mark can do.

So, basically, yeah... I figured out what it would take to break even,
then bumped it up because I'd rather have the print than break even.

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Re: Exhibit details

[Cotty]

On 13/4/10, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed:

>If you are coming to Chicago,
>please give him a big hug

At last an incentive not to go

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Re: Exhibit details

[ann sanfedele]

Christine Aguila wrote:

...I think Paul makes several great points here--and gives great 
advice, especially to folks like me who have little exhibit 
experience.  And I agree with his point about the difficulty in 
selling photography--especially in these recessionary times.  But 
still, everyone involved in this exhibit is going to do their best to 
promote the exhibit with the hope that work will sell.  But whatever 
happens, we should  feel proud of PDML and ALL its list members 
because the exhibit--for me-- is really a metaphor for the entire PDML 
community, which supports all members--an international virtual space 
where professional and developing talent come together in a 
cooperative, helpful way.  I'm very proud to say that for 6 weeks come 
May 2010 the spirit of all PDML will hang from the walls in a little 
spot of my home town, Chicago.


And one last point:  Mark Roberts has gone above and beyond the call 
of duty for both the exhibit and our 2nd PDML Annual.  If you are 
coming to Chicago, please give him a big hug and buy the guy a drink 
of his choice.  Frankly, I don't think Mark Roberts should have to pay 
for a drink the whole weekend we are in Chicago :-).
Big cheers to everyone, Christine 



You're gonna let him drink???

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Re: Exhibit details

[Miserere]

On 13 April 2010 21:25, Christine  Aguila  wrote:
>
> I think Paul makes several great points here--and gives great advice,
> especially to folks like me who have little exhibit experience.  And I agree
> with his point about the difficulty in selling photography--especially in
> these recessionary times.  But still, everyone involved in this exhibit is
> going to do their best to promote the exhibit with the hope that work will
> sell.  But whatever happens, we should  feel proud of PDML and ALL its list
> members because the exhibit--for me-- is really a metaphor for the entire
> PDML community, which supports all members--an international virtual space
> where professional and developing talent come together in a cooperative,
> helpful way.  I'm very proud to say that for 6 weeks come May 2010 the
> spirit of all PDML will hang from the walls in a little spot of my home
> town, Chicago.
>
> And one last point:  Mark Roberts has gone above and beyond the call of duty
> for both the exhibit and our 2nd PDML Annual.  If you are coming to Chicago,
> please give him a big hug and buy the guy a drink of his choice.  Frankly, I
> don't think Mark Roberts should have to pay for a drink the whole weekend we
> are in Chicago :-).
> Big cheers to everyone, Christine

I second what Christine said about Mark. I've seen a lot of the
prints, heard the printer stories, and I can assure you he's gone well
beyond the call of duty. And he owed us no duty whatsoever.

Thanks Mark! I'll be sure to buy you a drink  :-)


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Re: Exhibit details

[Christine Aguila]

From: "paul stenquist" 

Only you can determine what your work is worth. If you've displayed in 
galleries before, you probably >have an idea. But if not, figure you'll 
want to recoup the cost of printing and framing, plus the 30% the >gallery 
gets, plus a small profit. That will probably bring you to a number close 
to $300 as an asking >price. Then how low would you go just to unload the 
print. Shipping it back home adds more to your >cost.. That being said, 
photography is a tough sell in any gallery that I've ever seen. Showing in 
a gallery >is more about having fun and self promotion. It's not a good 
way to earn a living.



I think Paul makes several great points here--and gives great advice, 
especially to folks like me who have little exhibit experience.  And I agree 
with his point about the difficulty in selling photography--especially in 
these recessionary times.  But still, everyone involved in this exhibit is 
going to do their best to promote the exhibit with the hope that work will 
sell.  But whatever happens, we should  feel proud of PDML and ALL its list 
members because the exhibit--for me-- is really a metaphor for the entire 
PDML community, which supports all members--an international virtual space 
where professional and developing talent come together in a cooperative, 
helpful way.  I'm very proud to say that for 6 weeks come May 2010 the 
spirit of all PDML will hang from the walls in a little spot of my home 
town, Chicago.


And one last point:  Mark Roberts has gone above and beyond the call of duty 
for both the exhibit and our 2nd PDML Annual.  If you are coming to Chicago, 
please give him a big hug and buy the guy a drink of his choice.  Frankly, I 
don't think Mark Roberts should have to pay for a drink the whole weekend we 
are in Chicago :-).

Big cheers to everyone, Christine





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Re: Exhibit details

[AlunFoto]

2010/4/12 paul stenquist :
> Showoff:-)

hehehe.




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Re: Exhibit details

[paul stenquist]

On Apr 12, 2010, at 2:33 PM, AlunFoto wrote:

> 2010/4/12 Bruce Walker :
>> 
>> I did the same.  And even more amazingly, Ann, the doc was openable in the
>> freeware OpenOffice.app on my Mac.  Kudos to the gallery for apparently
>> using ancient s/w.
> 
> You could also have opened it in GoogleDocs. -Just mention it since
> you post from gmail. :-)
> 
> My tack was to open the PDF in PS, and add text layers. :-)
> 
Showoff:-)

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Re: Exhibit details

[AlunFoto]

2010/4/12 Bruce Walker :
>
> I did the same.  And even more amazingly, Ann, the doc was openable in the
> freeware OpenOffice.app on my Mac.  Kudos to the gallery for apparently
> using ancient s/w.

You could also have opened it in GoogleDocs. -Just mention it since
you post from gmail. :-)

My tack was to open the PDF in PS, and add text layers. :-)

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Re: Exhibit details

[Bruce Walker]

ann sanfedele wrote:

hehe _
I typed in my name then took it out and signed in those two places...
but there is at least two other places where I typed it. 
It was helpful for Christine to send both a .doc and a pdf  as I only 
have a pdf reader.  and the doc, amazingly, was downward compatable with 
my ancient MS WORD 97  -
since my handwriting is virtually unreadable, I was very happy to be 
able to type in

the drivvel :-)

ann


I did the same.  And even more amazingly, Ann, the doc was openable in 
the freeware OpenOffice.app on my Mac.  Kudos to the gallery for 
apparently using ancient s/w.


I came up with some of my own drivel, unaided by algorithms or Bob.  And 
I actually had fun doing so, despite my earlier misgivings.  I'm hoping 
that these Artist's Statements get collected somewhere later so we can 
read each other's and enjoy. :-)


-bmw

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Re: Exhibit details

[ann sanfedele]

hehe _
I typed in my name then took it out and signed in those two places...
but there is at least two other places where I typed it.  

It was helpful for Christine to send both a .doc and a pdf  as I only 
have a pdf reader.  
and the doc, amazingly, was downward compatable with my ancient MS WORD 
97  -
since my handwriting is virtually unreadable, I was very happy to be 
able to type in

the drivvel :-)

ann

Christine Aguila wrote:


Sounds good, Paul.  That works  :-).  Cheers, Christine


- Original Message - From: "P N Stenquist" 


To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Exhibit details




On Apr 12, 2010, at 9:01 AM, Christine Aguila wrote:

Hi Mike:  If your photograph doesn't sell, Sue will contact you on  
the cost of return shipping, and she will tell you the Paypal  
address to pay to. She does all that from her end and contacts each  
individual artist.


Where it says:   *I, __, etc etc*is the place to 
sign the contract.


I added a signature and date at the bottom and typed my name into the 
blanks. Most contracts provide a legible and readable rendering of 
the signees name in the location above. It is an odd place for a 
signature.

Paul

As to using someone's Paypal, you have to make those arrangements 
yourself.


Cheers, Christine





- Original Message - From: "mike wilson" 

>
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 2:39 AM
Subject: Re: Exhibit details



And some further questions:

I assume that the framing fee did not include return shipping.   
What happens if (when...) a work does not sell?  I'm happy to  
donate mine to whatever is convenient but what to put for the  
return shipping address?


As I don't do Paypal maybe someone (Mark...) would provide me with  
a suitably worthy Paypal account address for monies to go to in the 
unlikely event of a sale.


BTW;  I think the contract is very badly designed.  It doesn't  
actually ask for my signature anywhere.


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Re: Exhibit details

[Igor Roshchin]

On Apr 11, 2010, at 8:00 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

> I've been struggling with the CV and the artists statement, if anyone
> wants to read and comment, I posted them on my LJ:
> 
> http://lrc.livejournal.com/1094985.html

Larry,

Here is a good description of you that might help:
http://tinyurl.com/lrc-cv

:-P)~~~

Hope that helps,

Igor


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Re: Exhibit details

[Paul Sorenson]

You're right - I added a space for my signature opposite the "Date".

-p

On 4/12/2010 2:39 AM, mike wilson wrote:


BTW;  I think the contract is very badly designed.  It doesn't actually ask for 
my signature anywhere.

   




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Re: Exhibit details

[Christine Aguila]

Sounds good, Paul.  That works  :-).  Cheers, Christine


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Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 8:18 AM
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On Apr 12, 2010, at 9:01 AM, Christine Aguila wrote:

Hi Mike:  If your photograph doesn't sell, Sue will contact you on  the 
cost of return shipping, and she will tell you the Paypal  address to pay 
to. She does all that from her end and contacts each  individual artist.


Where it says:   *I, __, etc etc*is the place to 
sign the contract.


I added a signature and date at the bottom and typed my name into the 
blanks. Most contracts provide a legible and readable rendering of the 
signees name in the location above. It is an odd place for a signature.

Paul
As to using someone's Paypal, you have to make those arrangements 
yourself.


Cheers, Christine





- Original Message - From: "mike wilson" 
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 2:39 AM
Subject: Re: Exhibit details



And some further questions:

I assume that the framing fee did not include return shipping.   What 
happens if (when...) a work does not sell?  I'm happy to  donate mine to 
whatever is convenient but what to put for the  return shipping address?


As I don't do Paypal maybe someone (Mark...) would provide me with  a 
suitably worthy Paypal account address for monies to go to in the 
unlikely event of a sale.


BTW;  I think the contract is very badly designed.  It doesn't  actually 
ask for my signature anywhere.


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Re: Exhibit details

[P N Stenquist]

On Apr 12, 2010, at 9:01 AM, Christine Aguila wrote:

Hi Mike:  If your photograph doesn't sell, Sue will contact you on  
the cost of return shipping, and she will tell you the Paypal  
address to pay to. She does all that from her end and contacts each  
individual artist.


Where it says:   *I, __, etc etc*is the place to  
sign the contract.


I added a signature and date at the bottom and typed my name into the  
blanks. Most contracts provide a legible and readable rendering of the  
signees name in the location above. It is an odd place for a signature.

Paul
As to using someone's Paypal, you have to make those arrangements  
yourself.


Cheers, Christine





- Original Message - From: "mike wilson" >

To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 2:39 AM
Subject: Re: Exhibit details



And some further questions:

I assume that the framing fee did not include return shipping.   
What happens if (when...) a work does not sell?  I'm happy to  
donate mine to whatever is convenient but what to put for the  
return shipping address?


As I don't do Paypal maybe someone (Mark...) would provide me with  
a suitably worthy Paypal account address for monies to go to in the  
unlikely event of a sale.


BTW;  I think the contract is very badly designed.  It doesn't  
actually ask for my signature anywhere.


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Re: Exhibit details

[Christine Aguila]

Hi Mike:  If your photograph doesn't sell, Sue will contact you on the cost 
of return shipping, and she will tell you the Paypal address to pay to. 
She does all that from her end and contacts each individual artist.


Where it says:   *I, __, etc etc*is the place to sign 
the contract.


As to using someone's Paypal, you have to make those arrangements yourself.

Cheers, Christine





- Original Message - 
From: "mike wilson" 

To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 2:39 AM
Subject: Re: Exhibit details



And some further questions:

I assume that the framing fee did not include return shipping.  What 
happens if (when...) a work does not sell?  I'm happy to donate mine to 
whatever is convenient but what to put for the return shipping address?


As I don't do Paypal maybe someone (Mark...) would provide me with a 
suitably worthy Paypal account address for monies to go to in the unlikely 
event of a sale.


BTW;  I think the contract is very badly designed.  It doesn't actually 
ask for my signature anywhere.


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Re: Exhibit details

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2010/4/12 mike wilson :
>
> As I don't do Paypal maybe someone (Mark...) would provide me with a suitably 
> worthy Paypal account address for monies to go to in the unlikely event of a 
> sale.

You can use mine. I've done the same for the widow of the late oil
minister of Nigeria ]=)

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Re: Exhibit details

[mike wilson]

And some further questions:

I assume that the framing fee did not include return shipping.  What happens if 
(when...) a work does not sell?  I'm happy to donate mine to whatever is 
convenient but what to put for the return shipping address?

As I don't do Paypal maybe someone (Mark...) would provide me with a suitably 
worthy Paypal account address for monies to go to in the unlikely event of a 
sale.

BTW;  I think the contract is very badly designed.  It doesn't actually ask for 
my signature anywhere.

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RE: Exhibit details

[Chris Mitchell]

Cotty wrote:

> On 12/4/10, Chris Mitchell, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >I've taken a pragmatic approach. I don't hold out a lot of hope of
> making a
> >sale, but I've asked $250 with a rock bottom $150. This is on the
> basis that
> >it will cost quite a bit to get it shipped back to me in the UK, so if
> I can
> >get rid of it and more or less cover my costs that'll be fine.
> 
> Chris you could trade with Doug, that is if he wants a shot of a bunch
> of Brit hillbillies strumming on ukuleles ;)
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> 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty

I'd better share it here then...
http://ukulele.meetup.com/84/photos/576602/

Chris




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Re: Exhibit details

[Cotty]

On 12/4/10, Chris Mitchell, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I've taken a pragmatic approach. I don't hold out a lot of hope of making a
>sale, but I've asked $250 with a rock bottom $150. This is on the basis that
>it will cost quite a bit to get it shipped back to me in the UK, so if I can
>get rid of it and more or less cover my costs that'll be fine.

Chris you could trade with Doug, that is if he wants a shot of a bunch
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RE: Exhibit details

[Chris Mitchell]

Larry Colen wrote
> Sent: 12 April 2010 01:01
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> Subject: Exhibit details
> 
> I'm trying to tie up the final details for the show.
> 
> I don't understand how the pricing of the art works as there is both
> an "asked for" and a "minimum" price on the form.  Is there some sort
> of consensus on what people are asking for their prints?
> 
I've taken a pragmatic approach. I don't hold out a lot of hope of making a
sale, but I've asked $250 with a rock bottom $150. This is on the basis that
it will cost quite a bit to get it shipped back to me in the UK, so if I can
get rid of it and more or less cover my costs that'll be fine.

Chris



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Re: Exhibit details

[P. J. Alling]

Paul's right about landscapes selling better than people pictures, but 
you have to play to your audience.  I live in a coastal town, most of my 
sold prints have a nautical/shore theme.  People around here want 
pictures of boats, though I must say that I've sold more copies of the 
photo I've submitted to the annual this year than any other photo, still 
it's a limited edition in either B&W or Color.



On 4/11/2010 10:55 PM, paul stenquist wrote:

On Apr 11, 2010, at 10:04 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

   

On Apr 11, 2010, at 5:29 PM, paul stenquist wrote:

 

On Apr 11, 2010, at 8:00 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

   

I'm trying to tie up the final details for the show.

I don't understand how the pricing of the art works as there is both an "asked for" and a 
"minimum" price on the form.  Is there some sort of consensus on what people are asking 
for their prints?

If someone wants me to come shoot photos for them, I can come up with a value for my 
time.  If someone says they like one of my photos, chances are that it's a friend and my 
response is likely to be along the lines of, "sure, Costco charges me $3 for a 
16x20, why don't you buy me lunch when I give it to you".
 

Only you can determine what your work is worth. If you've displayed in 
galleries before, you probably have an idea. But if not, figure you'll want to 
recoup the cost of printing and framing, plus the 30% the gallery gets, plus a 
small profit. That will probably bring you to a number close to $300 as an 
asking price.
   

That makes sense.  I just don't want to put on a price that is entirely out of 
line from what other people are asking.

 

Then how low would you go just to unload the print. Shipping it back home adds 
more to your cost.. That being said, photography is a tough sell in any gallery 
that I've ever seen. Showing in a gallery is more about having fun and self 
promotion. It's not a good way to earn a living.
   

I'm sure of that.  For me the show is almost entirely about the ego strokes, 
and the excuse to go to chicago and hang out with pdmlers.

 

Also, if there isn't any sort of limited edition, if more than one person wants 
to buy a photo, would Mark be willing to print more copies, and what would he 
charge to do so?
 

I would guess multiple sales are unlikely. (See selling my comment about 
selling photography in a gallery above.). Generally, when a print is gone from 
a show, it's gone.
   

Ah, I see.  I didn't even know how that worked, whether someone would not get 
it until after the show was over, or if it would get taken as soon as it was 
sold.

 

That varies from gallery to gallery. But even if the print remains until the 
end of the show, selling two would be extremely rare. Hell, selling one is 
extremely rare. In general, landscapes sell best. I think that's because the 
general populace considers a landscape to be a good fit for a room. People pics 
are the usually the slowest sellers, no matter how artful. I guess most people 
don't want a photo of someone they don't know. Celebrity pics, however, can 
sell.
Paul

   

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Fwd: Re: Exhibit details

[Paul Sorenson]

Addendum - You don't want to overprice the market, but don't sell 
yourself short, either.  If you think your image is only worth 10 bucks, 
your buyer will think it's worth less.


-p

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Subject:    Re: Exhibit details
Date:   Sun, 11 Apr 2010 23:44:08 -0500
From:   Paul Sorenson 
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Larry -

Try this formula to put some concrete figures to your pricing.  (Your
costs -printing, framing, etc + the minimum cash you'd like) / .7.  Yes,
that's divided by 7/10.  Dividing by .7 adds the 30% that the gallery
will get.  Now get rid of the cents and round up to the nearest $1, $5,
whatever.  That will give you your minimum selling price.  Running the
same formula using *double* the cash you'd like will give you your
preferred selling price.  Using $50 to $70 as a minimum profit will get
you in the $300 range as a preferred selling price as Paul and Doug
suggested.

-p

On 4/11/2010 7:00 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

 I'm trying to tie up the final details for the show.

 I don't understand how the pricing of the art works as there is both
 an "asked for" and a "minimum" price on the form.  Is there some sort
 of consensus on what people are asking for their prints?

 If someone wants me to come shoot photos for them, I can come up with
 a value for my time.  If someone says they like one of my photos,
 chances are that it's a friend and my response is likely to be along
 the lines of, "sure, Costco charges me $3 for a 16x20, why don't you
 buy me lunch when I give it to you".

 Also, if there isn't any sort of limited edition, if more than one
 person wants to buy a photo, would Mark be willing to print more
 copies, and what would he charge to do so?

 Christine posted a list of suggested hotels for the event.  Was there
 one that most people ended up getting reservations at?

 I've been struggling with the CV and the artists statement, if anyone
 wants to read and comment, I posted them on my LJ:

 http://lrc.livejournal.com/1094985.html

 I'm afraid that it does not, as of yet, mention nekkid wimmin.

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Re: Exhibit details

[Paul Sorenson]

Larry -

Try this formula to put some concrete figures to your pricing.  (Your 
costs -printing, framing, etc + the minimum cash you'd like) / .7.  Yes, 
that's divided by 7/10.  Dividing by .7 adds the 30% that the gallery 
will get.  Now get rid of the cents and round up to the nearest $1, $5, 
whatever.  That will give you your minimum selling price.  Running the 
same formula using *double* the cash you'd like will give you your 
preferred selling price.  Using $50 to $70 as a minimum profit will get 
you in the $300 range as a preferred selling price as Paul and Doug 
suggested.


-p

On 4/11/2010 7:00 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

I'm trying to tie up the final details for the show.

I don't understand how the pricing of the art works as there is both 
an "asked for" and a "minimum" price on the form.  Is there some sort 
of consensus on what people are asking for their prints?


If someone wants me to come shoot photos for them, I can come up with 
a value for my time.  If someone says they like one of my photos, 
chances are that it's a friend and my response is likely to be along 
the lines of, "sure, Costco charges me $3 for a 16x20, why don't you 
buy me lunch when I give it to you".


Also, if there isn't any sort of limited edition, if more than one 
person wants to buy a photo, would Mark be willing to print more 
copies, and what would he charge to do so?


Christine posted a list of suggested hotels for the event.  Was there 
one that most people ended up getting reservations at?


I've been struggling with the CV and the artists statement, if anyone 
wants to read and comment, I posted them on my LJ:


http://lrc.livejournal.com/1094985.html

I'm afraid that it does not, as of yet, mention nekkid wimmin.

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Re: Exhibit details

[Eactivist]

Sold a print once, $100 or $125,  forget which. 11x14 approx. Framed by 
myself. I did not attempt to price higher  because I am very aware photography 
does not sell (and it was a local arts &  crafts show). So I was very 
surprised when it did. If I had gone higher,  probably wouldn't have.

Gave me a rush though. Really did.

Two  photography teachers I have had have also exhibited at that show (it's 
yearly).  As far as I know neither of them has ever sold anything there. So 
you might  consider the rush factor too, not just the logical price.

HTH, Marnie ;-)  (Resending because didn't show up in my email box.)

In a message dated  4/11/2010 5:00:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
l...@red4est.com writes:
I'm  trying to tie up the final details for the show.

I don't understand how  the pricing of the art works as there is both  
an "asked for" and a  "minimum" price on the form.  Is there some sort  
of consensus on  what people are asking for their prints?

If someone wants me to come  shoot photos for them, I can come up with  
a value for my time.   If someone says they like one of my photos,  
chances are that it's a  friend and my response is likely to be along  
the lines of, "sure,  Costco charges me $3 for a 16x20, why don't you  
buy me lunch when I  give it to you".

Also, if there isn't any sort of limited edition, if  more than one  
person wants to buy a photo, would Mark be willing to  print more  
copies, and what would he charge to do so?

Christine  posted a list of suggested hotels for the event.  Was there  
one  that most people ended up getting reservations at?

I've been struggling  with the CV and the artists statement, if anyone  
wants to read and  comment, I posted them on my  LJ:

http://lrc.livejournal.com/1094985.html

I'm afraid that it  does not, as of yet, mention nekkid wimmin.  


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Re: Exhibit details

[Doug Brewer]

Larry Colen wrote:

I'm trying to tie up the final details for the show.

I don't understand how the pricing of the art works as there is both an 
"asked for" and a "minimum" price on the form.  Is there some sort of 
consensus on what people are asking for their prints?


If someone wants me to come shoot photos for them, I can come up with a 
value for my time.  If someone says they like one of my photos, chances 
are that it's a friend and my response is likely to be along the lines 
of, "sure, Costco charges me $3 for a 16x20, why don't you buy me lunch 
when I give it to you".


Also, if there isn't any sort of limited edition, if more than one 
person wants to buy a photo, would Mark be willing to print more copies, 
and what would he charge to do so?


Christine posted a list of suggested hotels for the event.  Was there 
one that most people ended up getting reservations at?


I've been struggling with the CV and the artists statement, if anyone 
wants to read and comment, I posted them on my LJ:


http://lrc.livejournal.com/1094985.html

I'm afraid that it does not, as of yet, mention nekkid wimmin.


I figure around $300 is a good price for a bunch of unknowns.

What would be cool would be if, say, I don't sell mine, I'd like to 
trade it for someone else's print. Of course, then someone else would be 
stuck with my print, bumt I think the idea is valid.


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Re: Exhibit details

[paul stenquist]

On Apr 11, 2010, at 11:43 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

> From: Larry Colen
>> I'm trying to tie up the final details for the show.
>> I don't understand how the pricing of the art works as there is both  an 
>> "asked for" and a "minimum" price on the form.  Is there some sort  of 
>> consensus on what people are asking for their prints?
> 
> The "school solution" (literally from where I went to school) is 4 to 7 times 
> cost. Three dollar Costco print, thirty dollar Jerry's Art-a-rama frame, 
> twenty dollars for the time you spend framing ... call it $53.00 for costs.
> 
> 4x = $212; 7x = $371.
> 
> "Asked for" - $375.00
> "Minimum" - $200.00
> 
> 
Doesn't work here. You have $120 framing and printing cost.  That's reasonable, 
when you don't do it yourself. So you'd be looking at $840 asking price, $480 
minimum. Ain't going to happen, not in this lifetime. 

This is one of those occasions where covering your cost is a win. And that's as 
it should be. it's a fun event, not a money making opportunity.

Paul


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RE: Exhibit details

[John Sessoms]

From: Larry Colen

I'm trying to tie up the final details for the show.

I don't understand how the pricing of the art works as there is both  
an "asked for" and a "minimum" price on the form.  Is there some sort  
of consensus on what people are asking for their prints?


The "school solution" (literally from where I went to school) is 4 to 7 
times cost. Three dollar Costco print, thirty dollar Jerry's Art-a-rama 
frame, twenty dollars for the time you spend framing ... call it $53.00 
for costs.


4x = $212; 7x = $371.

"Asked for" - $375.00
"Minimum" - $200.00


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Re: Exhibit details

[paul stenquist]

On Apr 11, 2010, at 10:04 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

> 
> On Apr 11, 2010, at 5:29 PM, paul stenquist wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Apr 11, 2010, at 8:00 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm trying to tie up the final details for the show.
>>> 
>>> I don't understand how the pricing of the art works as there is both an 
>>> "asked for" and a "minimum" price on the form.  Is there some sort of 
>>> consensus on what people are asking for their prints?
>>> 
>>> If someone wants me to come shoot photos for them, I can come up with a 
>>> value for my time.  If someone says they like one of my photos, chances are 
>>> that it's a friend and my response is likely to be along the lines of, 
>>> "sure, Costco charges me $3 for a 16x20, why don't you buy me lunch when I 
>>> give it to you".
>> 
>> Only you can determine what your work is worth. If you've displayed in 
>> galleries before, you probably have an idea. But if not, figure you'll want 
>> to recoup the cost of printing and framing, plus the 30% the gallery gets, 
>> plus a small profit. That will probably bring you to a number close to $300 
>> as an asking price.
> 
> That makes sense.  I just don't want to put on a price that is entirely out 
> of line from what other people are asking.
> 
>> Then how low would you go just to unload the print. Shipping it back home 
>> adds more to your cost.. That being said, photography is a tough sell in any 
>> gallery that I've ever seen. Showing in a gallery is more about having fun 
>> and self promotion. It's not a good way to earn a living.
> 
> I'm sure of that.  For me the show is almost entirely about the ego strokes, 
> and the excuse to go to chicago and hang out with pdmlers.
> 
>>> 
>>> Also, if there isn't any sort of limited edition, if more than one person 
>>> wants to buy a photo, would Mark be willing to print more copies, and what 
>>> would he charge to do so?
>> 
>> I would guess multiple sales are unlikely. (See selling my comment about 
>> selling photography in a gallery above.). Generally, when a print is gone 
>> from a show, it's gone.
> 
> Ah, I see.  I didn't even know how that worked, whether someone would not get 
> it until after the show was over, or if it would get taken as soon as it was 
> sold.
> 
That varies from gallery to gallery. But even if the print remains until the 
end of the show, selling two would be extremely rare. Hell, selling one is 
extremely rare. In general, landscapes sell best. I think that's because the 
general populace considers a landscape to be a good fit for a room. People pics 
are the usually the slowest sellers, no matter how artful. I guess most people 
don't want a photo of someone they don't know. Celebrity pics, however, can 
sell. 
Paul

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Re: Exhibit details

[Larry Colen]

On Apr 11, 2010, at 5:29 PM, paul stenquist wrote:



On Apr 11, 2010, at 8:00 PM, Larry Colen wrote:


I'm trying to tie up the final details for the show.

I don't understand how the pricing of the art works as there is  
both an "asked for" and a "minimum" price on the form.  Is there  
some sort of consensus on what people are asking for their prints?


If someone wants me to come shoot photos for them, I can come up  
with a value for my time.  If someone says they like one of my  
photos, chances are that it's a friend and my response is likely to  
be along the lines of, "sure, Costco charges me $3 for a 16x20, why  
don't you buy me lunch when I give it to you".


Only you can determine what your work is worth. If you've displayed  
in galleries before, you probably have an idea. But if not, figure  
you'll want to recoup the cost of printing and framing, plus the 30%  
the gallery gets, plus a small profit. That will probably bring you  
to a number close to $300 as an asking price.


That makes sense.  I just don't want to put on a price that is  
entirely out of line from what other people are asking.


Then how low would you go just to unload the print. Shipping it back  
home adds more to your cost.. That being said, photography is a  
tough sell in any gallery that I've ever seen. Showing in a gallery  
is more about having fun and self promotion. It's not a good way to  
earn a living.


I'm sure of that.  For me the show is almost entirely about the ego  
strokes, and the excuse to go to chicago and hang out with pdmlers.




Also, if there isn't any sort of limited edition, if more than one  
person wants to buy a photo, would Mark be willing to print more  
copies, and what would he charge to do so?


I would guess multiple sales are unlikely. (See selling my comment  
about selling photography in a gallery above.). Generally, when a  
print is gone from a show, it's gone.


Ah, I see.  I didn't even know how that worked, whether someone would  
not get it until after the show was over, or if it would get taken as  
soon as it was sold.



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Re: Exhibit details

[frank theriault]

On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> I'm trying to tie up the final details for the show.
>
> I don't understand how the pricing of the art works as there is both an
> "asked for" and a "minimum" price on the form.  Is there some sort of
> consensus on what people are asking for their prints?
>

I went to a traveling Magnum exhibit here in Toronto several years
ago, and the asking price for a Cartier-Bresson was $8,000 (which I
thought was pretty reasonable, actually).

I figure I'm not much of a photographer, but I ~must~ be half the
photographer HCB was, so I'm going to ask $4,000.

Okay, you can all stop laughing...

;-)

cheers,
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Re: Exhibit details

[paul stenquist]

On Apr 11, 2010, at 8:00 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

> I'm trying to tie up the final details for the show.
> 
> I don't understand how the pricing of the art works as there is both an 
> "asked for" and a "minimum" price on the form.  Is there some sort of 
> consensus on what people are asking for their prints?
> 
> If someone wants me to come shoot photos for them, I can come up with a value 
> for my time.  If someone says they like one of my photos, chances are that 
> it's a friend and my response is likely to be along the lines of, "sure, 
> Costco charges me $3 for a 16x20, why don't you buy me lunch when I give it 
> to you".

Only you can determine what your work is worth. If you've displayed in 
galleries before, you probably have an idea. But if not, figure you'll want to 
recoup the cost of printing and framing, plus the 30% the gallery gets, plus a 
small profit. That will probably bring you to a number close to $300 as an 
asking price. Then how low would you go just to unload the print. Shipping it 
back home adds more to your cost.. That being said, photography is a tough sell 
in any gallery that I've ever seen. Showing in a gallery is more about having 
fun and self promotion. It's not a good way to earn a living. 
> 
> Also, if there isn't any sort of limited edition, if more than one person 
> wants to buy a photo, would Mark be willing to print more copies, and what 
> would he charge to do so?

I would guess multiple sales are unlikely. (See selling my comment about 
selling photography in a gallery above.). Generally, when a print is gone from 
a show, it's gone.
> 
> Christine posted a list of suggested hotels for the event.  Was there one 
> that most people ended up getting reservations at?
> 
> I've been struggling with the CV and the artists statement, if anyone wants 
> to read and comment, I posted them on my LJ:
> 
> http://lrc.livejournal.com/1094985.html
> 
> I'm afraid that it does not, as of yet, mention nekkid wimmin.
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